top of the hour. hello to the viewers in the united states and around the world. thank you for sharing a very busy news day with us. a big day in the 2020 election. kamala harris in pennsylvania. the president holds a rally in wisconsin tonight and joe biden at a cnn town hall. more evidence the covid jobs recovery is uneven. 860,000 americans filed last week for first time benefits and an airline ceo at the white house to warn tens of thousands of furloughs could come soon without another bailout. also today, a big public break

between the president and his top scientist. the president says masks are sometimes bad, not essential. doctors say there is at this moment no better weapon than a mask to fight the spread. the president also says that the cdc director mistaken cautioning a vaccine won't be ready for wide scale distribution until 2021 and moderna says it will know if the vaccine candidate will work in november. the president wants it by the election and annoyed when the scientists say they'll follow the rules and the data. last night nominee joe biden making clear how he sorts this out. >> so let me be clear. i trust vaccines. i trust the scientists. but i don't trust donald trump. >> more than anything else especially with the conflicting political rhetoric we trust the data. take a closer look. look at the 50-state map,

trending in the wrong direction. this map not as favorable as it looked days and especially a week ago. 23 states, that's the orange and the red trending up. reporting more new coronavirus infections this week compared to a week ago. 23 states now trending in the wrong direction. 21 holding steady including arizona and california and florida. those three of course big drivers of the summer surge and steady at the moment. six states reporting feweren nexts than infections than a week ago. this map taking a turn for the worse in recent days. 25 states, 16 of them reporting 50% more deaths this week than a week ago. but 25 states trending up meaning more deaths this week than last week. only 13 states having the data down coming to death this week compared to last. one of the ways to think about what's coming around the corner

is looking at the positivity numbers. texas is gray without data. 16% positivity in idaho, 15% in south dakota. 15% in kansas. not big, not highly populated states but a higher percentage of positivity. florida still at 12%. you look at the case trend. the question is, where are we and where are we going? we are halfway down from the summer peak. 70,000 cases here. 20,000 coming into the summer. now we are down 36,000 new infections on wednesday. it's a plateau. last month really or the last several -- more than a month. can we get down below 35,000 or 40,000? let's follow this into next week. the experts say it's fall.

even currents that have done well around the world seeing more orange and red. orange and red means more cases now than last week and see it trending up all over the world. the president likes the focus on europe. they have more of a problem. you see the united states went way up, has come down some what and trickling up. europe got there flat and then getting to fall a number of european countries starting to come up. so whether you're in the united states, europe, you are asking, when will we have a vaccine? that would stop this, right? get a vaccine all the numbers would come down. dr. robert redfield says, be patient. >> if you're asking me when will it be generally available to the american public to take advantage of a vaccine to get back to regular life, i think we're probably looking at

third -- late second quarter, third quarter 2021. >> we know the president doesn't like that answer. let's get straight to cnn's nick valencia. nick, the president very much at odds there. dr. redfield says maybe this time earlier next year. the president says he's mistaken. >> reporter: that's right. the big question is whether or not this was a slip of the tongue or this is something that the president just didn't like what he heard. i just got off the phone with an official close to dr. redfield saying despite the latest spat between the president and dr. redfield, that dr. redfield shows no signs of resigning or has not irndicated rez egsignatt all but what played out sb the latest in contradictory messages coming from both men. listen to the president yesterday in a press briefing.

>> i think he made a mistake when he said that. it it's incorrect information. i called him and he didn't tell me that and i think he got the message maybe confused, maybe stated encorrectly. we're ready to go as the vaccine is announced and could be announced in october or after october. but once we go we're ready. >> reporter: i think it's important to look at the details. you notice that the president made that statement without the presence of dr. fauci or dr. birx there at the press briefing yesterday. we did reach out to the cdc and they did send a statement which appeared to try to clean up dr. redfield's comments at the hearing but not walk back the testimony. it said the time period was when all americans would have completed the covid vaccine and not when covid-19 vaccine doses would be made available to all americans. just very quickly here, i've been speaking to sources within

the cdc telling me that they feel that dr. redfield, another example of him not willing to stand up to the president and they feel as though some senior cdc officials feel that dr. redfield is a convenient punching bag for the president. john? >> many of the sicientists have had it coming from the president. no doubt. appreciate the important reporting. thank you. joining me now to discuss this further, former cdc official dr. shara shapar. this is taxing the scientists and it is taxing the politician that's the president of the united states in an election year but the idea that the -- whether it's dr. birx, dr. fauci, whether it's dr. redfield, if you go back almost every day they are saying things that the president's having these rallies, the president is mocking mask wearing, and his scientists almost every day saying things that are essentially don't listen to the

president, listen to me. >> no, i think the degradation of seens and trust in science is unprecedented. really i haven't seen it before. especially, you know, considering what's at stake are tens of thousands of lives and should be general agreement that science should guide us toward basically controlling covid. >> i want your expertise. dr. redfield saying yesterday there might be a vaccine available by the end of the year, next year and trying to think of ranching up production, first health care workers, you heard him say late second quarter or third quarter, dr. fauci has a similar view. >> that doesn't mean that you're not going to be vaccinating many of the vulnerable people early on. namely, early in 2021. but the idea of getting the entire population that wants to get vaccinated vaccinated in a month or two is very, have

difficult to do. i kind of think if you sit down and try to parse that out there really wasn't that much of a disagreement. >> he's trying to be a diplomat there but there's a disagreement hearing the president say we might have this by election day. we might have this in late october. and all the scientists say that's most unlikely but my point on this, my suspicion i guess the right word to be open about it, people are voting now and before the last week of october, before november 3rd and the president trying to tell them something that the scientists say is not true. >> yeah. i think -- essentially talking about two different things. the president i think thinking of when a vaccine under emergency use authorization might be first announced and hoping it will happen in the next several weeks and the cdc director answering the question of when something is generally widely available to the american public which according to the cdc guidance and the time lines

of how it will be rolled out is in 2021, second to third quarter of 2021 so the director was correct but i think there's a difference in what they're trying to talk about. >> the cdc is looked at an honest broker. the cdc website is supposed to be the gold standard of what to do, best practices. we have seen the cdc has changed the testing guidelines to suggest asymptomatic people don't need as much testing, updated the guidance on reopening the schools, has asked hospitals to report data to hhs. taken it away from cdc and then allegedly reversing it. changing guide lines on reopening churches. the confusion, do you view this as the cdc not understanding the role or the white house and hhs meddling too much in the business of an agency to the

degree possible should be left out 0 of that? >> yeah. i think science should not be influenced by politics. science is based on evidence. when we look to cdc, when i go on the website, when i want to hear from cdc officials, i look for the scientific data. when it's influenced by politics that's problematic and that can damage things like trust and we need trust for vaccine once it's rolled out. >> doctor, as always, grateful for your insights and will continue this conversation. thank you, sir. attorney general bill barr compared lockdowns to slavery and the subordinates at the state department to preschoolers. . still an electric car. just more electrifying. still a night out. but everything fits in. still hard work.

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to stir that fire, university of phoenix is awarding up to one million dollars in scholarships through this month. see what scholarship you qualify for at phoenix.edu. simply remarkable speech from the attorney general last night, bill barr painted the coronavirus lockdowns as a historic abuse of civil libtds only short he said of slavery and delivered a singular

message. barr answers to the president and the justice department is a comparison of career junior prosecutors to preschoolers. >> name one successful organization or institution where the lowest level employees decisions are deemed sacrosanct. they aren't. there aren't any. letting the most junior members set the agenda might be a good idea for a preschool but no way to run a federal agency. >> joining me now is donald ayers and knows bill barr from the first bush administration. great to see you today. when you hear the attorney general who's the leader of a large, very important organization spread out across the united states, essentially compare the career people to preschoolers, they're students, i'm the principal. what did you think of that? >> well, i was frankly appalled

although i really wasn't surprised and the reason is that bill barr has for most of this year since the turn of the year and became the election year really sirened up personally and brought his powers as attorney general to the task of getting president bush -- excuse me, president trump re-elected so he is doing and saying shocking things in many, many ways and that particular regard he is essentially trying to justify the interference that we have all heard about, the interference in the cases of stone and flynn and so many other things he's done by making a completely out landish claim. in fact, another thing he said is essentially that prosecutors are head hunters which is utter and complete nonsense. but the key point and you can go on at great length in many, many areas is that barr is probably trump's strongest campaign

spokesman and he here is doing exactly that, trying to appeal to the base, the folk that is don't want to wear masks, the folks they hope will be suspicious of may recall-in voting, the list goes on and on of things he's saying and last night's performance was a total piece of that picture. >> and part of it is an assault on his own department and many of the career people work over several administrations, many could make more money in the private sector as attorneys and do this out over public service. listen to this assault here and no question. he durntd say the words but this is about the mueller investigation. >> our prosecutors have all too often inserted themselves in the political process based on the flimsiest legal theories. we have seen this time and time again. bringing charges against political figures or launching investigations that thrust the

department of justice into the middle of the political process and preempt the ability of the people to decide. >> if the people -- rod rosenstein, a career justice department official, who cares about law and order, bob mueller, former u.s. attorney in both san francisco and in boston, you can disagree if you want and bill barr clearly does but he mocks them in denigrating ways here. >> that's right. this is factually complete garbage. okay? he is saying these things. one of the things he's taken to doing more and more latly is he is projecting on to other people the things that he himself is doing. he is a really good practitioner of the horrendous big lie technique that was pursued for

hitler where if you tell a big enough lie and then maybe people believe it because they can't believe you would tell a lie that big. so what we have got here is bill barr purporting to be the one who's trying to deliver us from uneven handed justice, trying to protect -- the same speech goes on earlier on at great length about the need to protect the rule of law. he even quoted a famous speech by justice jackson from 1940 when jackson was the attorney general where i've actually quoted this speech myself and jackson talks about the extraordinary powers of the united states prosecutors and their ability to abuse people by unfair treatment. i have quoted it precisely because that is exactly what bill barr is threatening to do now. and the uneveryon handed way he applied the law is one of the greatest abuses of those powers and he here is claiming the

mantle. he keeps talking about how he is going to protect and save the rule of law and even handed justice and that's what this speech is about saying essentially i as the attorney general have all the power and i need to override the young prosecutors who are head hunters and out for scalps when he is the perpetrator and the one we don't trust and you have to look at saying what in the name of god is he going to do in connection with this durham connection and shouldn't even exist. it is redundant largely of the mueller report, the who horowit report and the senate intelligence committee investigation and bar is accusing other people of what he's done and we are close to the election and the abuses that he's going to perpetrate in the next month and a half we're all

sitting here waiting and wondering what he will do. >> those are strong words, worried about something now and the election. porp important to continue the conversation. you are watching him play out now and jody hunt served with bill barr in this administration. he tweeted this last night. not accurate to suggest that career officials less experienced. many supervisors are career officials with more experience than politicals and the career officials generally work hard to apply principled positions across administrations. before i sat in the chair like this i loved to cover the courts and you know the hard work that these people put in. you talk about this context between now and the election. the election could change this conversation. we might have a different attorney general in january and we might not. what is it that you're worried about? to the hunt point there how the

career system works, what is your take on the impact of hearing your boss the attorney general say these things about your work? >> yeah. let me maybe make two points. one is that the system in the department, really, is a system of layered review, it is a deliberate and a careful process. nobody gets to go out and chase scalps. there's a review process and the process does include political people at the top of the process but they have to be well intentioned political people, they have to believe in the prir principles of the system and attorney general bell reinstalled and made very clear after watergate and that is above all else we in the department bend over backwards to make sure that we are being fair to people so the process is one that properly involves multiple layers of career people and a layer or so at the top of the political people and the idea that there's some craziness

going on down among the career people as hunt points out is utter and complete nonsense. now what i'm afraid of, urge, i think a lot of people are afraid and wondering, you know, is mainly -- there's a lot of possibilities but the biggest single thing that people have been talking about is this report that he's gotten john duh ham, a career prosecutor, to take over for him and going on for a couple of years and utterly redundant of other investigations done and dangling for months and barr is personally dangling it with public comments that are utterly inconsistent with rules of the department that say that we in the department don't talk about ongoing investigations, don't even disclose them generally. barr has been talking for months

that what went on under the fbi investigation of russian interference was as he put it long ago and repeated this in various terms, the greatest travesty or maybe he said one of the greatest travesties in the history of the united states and talked about the fbi spying on the president and the president's campaign and all of this kind of stuff. so he keeps saying now in many, many interviews, mostly with fox news and others, he's very hopeful that we will have action and going to have enforcement and going to have perhaps indictments. and he hopes before the election. and he says that's okay even though the department has a policy to avoid impacting elections and barr wants us to all think that something will probably happen before the election. a lot of your viewers may recall and be aware that a prominent person in that investigation nora denahe, an associate and

aide to john durham himself i think the number two person on the invest just quit the department a few days ago and not made a public statement but people think it's because she thinks she is leaned on and this is going in the wrong direction. i don't know what will happen and i don't know why she resigned but you can see the clouds that are forming and we know for sure because he tells us about every week that barr wants this to be something we're all very worried about and then i think he's very much hoping that he will have some trash to announce within the next month or so that will hopefully impact the election. one last thing i want to say about that -- >> quickly, please. >> barr is on a mission really to install the president as an au autocrat and we could talk about the things he's done to do that but the one thing he knows is that that project of his which he's believed in for 35, 40 years, that one's going into the

garbage if trump doesn't get re-elected and working full-time to get donald trump re-elected president and using the resources of the department of justice to do that. >> appreciate your insights and experience at the department of justice. i understand the concerns and fears. appreciate your time today, sir, very much. joe biden has a big town hall tonight in pennsylvania. how is he preparing to take questions from voters? you know your kid doesn't step around puddles. and wet shoes, not cool. you know what else isn't cool? those cheap leaky diapers. because with luvs, you get the pro-level leak protection you're looking for. luvs, parent like a pro

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voters in battle ground pennsylvania get a chance to question joe biden tonight. biden taking part in a cnn town hall tonight 8:00 p.m. hoping sometime with voters help him in battle ground states where he currently is leading. let's get straight to correspondent arlette saenz in scranton, pennsylvania. arlette, you are on the outdoor set i see there. >> reporter: yeah. this is going to be a town hall unlike any other. joe biden has done quite a few town halls since he's entered the 2020 race but tonight will be very dimpfferent. he is traveling to scranton, pennsylvania. a state president trump won in 2016 but joe biden is hoping to bring back to the democrat

column. his campaign trying to appeal to voters in areas like scranton. today released ads of manufacturing and featuring a former trump voter who now supports biden but as for this town hall this is going to be biden's first town hall since he became the democratic nominee and it's going to be completely different from what we have seen before. as you can see, i'm standing in the middle of a parking lot but in just a few hours this will be transformed into a drive-in style town hall. cars will come in carrying voters, set up in each of their own designated spaces. there are lines marking where these cars will be placed. then coming to actually asking the questions, there are microphone stands set up close to the stand in a way that voters don't have to touch them asking the question. if they don't feel comfortable asking there, the microphone is brought to the car and then at

the stage joe biden and anderson cooper will be seated and distanced from themselves and everyone coming in here is going to fill out a health questionnaire and have their temperatures checked. i had mine checked twice here before coming on site. those that are close to the former vice president will be covid tested and just shows you the way that coronavirus has changed the way things are done. we haven't done a drive-in style town hall before but tonight we'll be seeing that for ourselves when joe biden is here in scranton. john? >> looks remarkable to see the set-up. can't wait for tonight. very important night for the democratic nominee joe biden in pennsylvania. anderson cooper moderates the special cnn presidential town hall tonight from pennsylvania only on cnn. up next, donald trump's former director of national security dan coats with a clear, new warning about the election.

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a new call to action today from the nation's former top official of intelligence. dan coats said the americans need assurance of the integrity of the vote. coats writing this in "the new york times" op-ed. we must firmly reassure all americans that their vote will be counted and matter, that the people will express through their votes not be questioned and respected and accepted. joining us now is correspondent vivian salama. donald trump's name is mentioned

at the end at the op-ed. but that part right there about that will be respected clearly kind of a message to his former boss. >> reporter: john, a stark warning both from former director of national intelligence dan coats as well as the current fbi director christopher wray today both about the elections warning both that the election is vulnerable to outside interference, but also, we don't want to sow discord internally so to cast doubt on the results of the election in november. dan coats who was also a lawmaker really stressed the need for bipartisan efforts moving forward with regard to finding a solution to protecting the election integrity. in that "the new york times" op-ed he said if he fail to take every effort to insure the integrity of the winners the winners will not be donald trump

and agenda but only vladimir putin and xi jinping and ali khamenei and trying to stress the fact that everybody loses if we don't come together for a solution and also tried to encourage the democratic process moving forward. now remember, when dan coats was the director of national intelligence he and his former boss as you say were at odds over the nature of russia's interference in the 2016 election. dan coats blasting russia for the role in the president trying to downplay and that and put them at odds with each other and this is a theme even today seeing christopher wray testifying before the house homeland security committee and he also was warning with more detail about the current nature of the threat, take a listen to what he told lawmakers today. >> we are seen very active, very active efforts by the russians

to influence or election in 2020. social media, use of proxies, state media, online journals, et cetera. an effort to both sow divisiveness and discord and i think the intelligence community assessed this publicly, to primarily to denigrate vice president biden and what the russians see as an anti-russian establishment. >> reporter: i want to remind our viewers a couple of weeks ago the top election security official in the administration put out a startling report saying that russia is trying do denigrate the biden campaign and also said that china and iran are interested or preferred that president donald trump lose the election. still however, the trump administration really pressing the china narrative over the russia narrative saying that and not russia or any other threat is biggest one going forward in

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world health organization now pushing european countries to keep quarantines in place as more than half of european nations seeing significant rises in new coronavirus infections. the totals are topping what we saw back in march. for other headlines with our international cnn correspondents. >> here in germany, pharma company biontech partnering with pfizer has just anournsed that it's buying a production facility for vaccines in germany saying it will help them increase their capacity to produce vaccines against the coronavirus by about 750 million doses per year and the ceo reiterated it's realistic to think they're going to ask for regulatory approval for their vaccine candidate which is called bnt-162 by the errand of october and both with the fda

and also with the european regulatory body. both say they plan to produce about 100 million doses this year, about 1.3 billion doses next year and confirmed of the first doses a portion will go to the united states. fred pleitgen, cnn, berlin. >> here in india the country has reported almost 98,000 new infections of coronavirus thursday morning, the highest confirmed rise of a single country in 24 hours. on wednesday india the second country after the u.s. to surpass 5 million confirmed cases of covid-19. it took the country five and a half months to surpass a million cases of the virus and just under two months to add more than 4 million cases of covid-19. experts have criticized the government's response but india's health minister

estimates that the decisions taken by the irndian government avoided 1.3 million cases of the virus and 38,000 deaths. india has a third highest number of deaths in the world at over 83,000 according to the health ministry, cases emerged from five states. the next phase of easing restrictions is due to begin from september 21, gatherings of 100 people or less will be per mitted for social, religious and pl political functions but keeping social distance measures in mind. cnn, new delhi. here in the uk a million and a half people in parts of northeast england are being putt under severe new restrictions to head off a sharp rise in coronavirus cases. the new restrictions which take

effect tomorrow ban almost all in-person socializing. bars and rauntd have to close early. its's more hospitalizations, the health secretary says the virus is starting to creep back into care homes just as the country is facing a shortage of tests. the uk is doing more tests than any other major european country and yet some health care workers have to self isolate for extended periods of time because they can't find one. across europe, the virus is making a serious comeback, especially in france and spain. spain just recorded 100,000 new cases of the virus just in the last 10 days, madrid seeing a third of the country's new cases is set to announce its own new restrictions tomorrow. next, why one sports columnist is calling the big ten's decision to play football the darkest day in conference

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decided to sell its soul for a few football games. why do you feel that way? >> john, i'm a product of the big ten. grew up in toledo, ohio. went to michigan games through my childhood, season tickets atmy me football games. northwestern grad, master's, a member of the 64-person board of trustees. i played no role, no votes, no enput whatsoever on the decision that northwestern and the big ten made yesterday but the big ten has always been -- said anyway it is about more, the academics, the research institutions that make up the big ten, closer to the ivey league many think than many the s.e.c. and yesterday showed us that's not the case. that's not the case. the big ten chose football over everything else. the fact that the football players, john, receive the rapid and general testing, what about the fellow students on campus

who can't get that? michigan state quarantining, so many other problems in the big ten. what about the townspeople in the beautiful big ten cities like ann arbor and columbus? do they get them? the professors, on and on it goes and i think the big ten sold out for football and happy to say it. >> so like everything else, coronavirus collides with the election. coronavirus disrupting everything in our lives. you say we could call the trumpeting of the big ten. they told the conference to play football, i never would have expected the big ten presence to be so shaky, fearful of their own shadow. you think in the end some republican governors jumped in, too? you see the president's thumb on this. >> i do. and the president sees the president's thumb on this as we know. there was an off the record briefing yesterday about this and taking a victory lap, whether it means anything in

terms of votes that he needs in michigan and wisconsin or pennsylvania or wisconsin we'll see but again there are adults in the room and they're the presidents of the big ten schools and you're now steering football, which by the way, i love college football, i haven't missed a northwestern bowl game and who knew i would say those words back in the day in eight years i think. i love, love college football but you've got these presidents now steering their student athletes right into the teeth of covid and the flu in october and november. and just today -- i wish i were wrong. i wish this could happen. just today unc charlotte said that it had to cancel the game this week because it didn't have any offensive line men because of one covid positive and then contact tracing. it surround like something out of a mel brooks movie. no offensive line men available

but it's not funny and that's the decision that the big ten made and they have every right to make it, of course, but to go for football opposed to being correct and sitting back and watching some of the problems elsewhere saying, hey, we made the right decision and did not roll the dice on the health of the student athletes. >> appreciate your insights. have a great day. hello, i'm brianna keilar. the president is undermining his own cdc chief over the use of masks and the time line for a vaccine. we'll have more on how he's contradicting dr. redfield in a moment and this is the latest attack on science as health officials try to get this pandemic under control. after several days of downward trends in more than half the country the map is