the decision that the big ten made and they have every right to make it, of course, but to go for football opposed to being correct and sitting back and watching some of the problems elsewhere saying, hey, we made the right decision and did not roll the dice on the health of the student athletes. >> appreciate your insights. have a great day. hello, i'm brianna keilar. the president is undermining his own cdc chief over the use of masks and the time line for a vaccine. we'll have more on how he's contradicting dr. redfield in a moment and this is the latest attack on science as health officials try to get this pandemic under control. after several days of downward trends in more than half the country the map is turning

orange and red which is an indication that 23 states are seeing a rising trend of new cases including 5 with 50% more new infections compared to last week and this rise is happening as the weather is getting colder, driving people indoors where coronavirus at a much higher risk of spreading and flu season is weeks away and the u.s. stuck at nearly 40,000 cases a day. there is encouraging news on this race for the vaccine. moderna ceo saying that his attempt could know by november if his vaccine candidate works. he is the second ceo, the other one being pfizer's, to suggest a target date before the year is over. >> base plan, most critical plan is november. that's what we are saying for many months, our best possible outcome would be october. calculate how many people will get the disease with a vaccine, how many people get the disease

on placebo to calculate the efficacy and 50% efficacy in the vaccines to consider the application for approval. >> there are more than 196,000 deaths from the coronavirus in the u.s. and while you and i see that as a loss of nearly 200,000 mothers, sons, doctors taken too early from the families the president is irnd kandicating h the deaths along party lines. >> we are down in this territory and that's despite the fact that the blue states had tremendous death rates. if you take the blue states out we're at a level that -- i don't think anybody in the world would be at. we are ready at a very low level and some of the states, they were blue states and blue state managed them and we recommend they open up the states. >> i want to talk about this now with cnn political chief analyst

gloria borger. it is the word to describe that description of if you just exclude blue states -- >> right. well, to me it's inhumane. you know? very basically. this is a president of the united states who's talking about the death of american citizens and he says, well, if you disregard those in some states because they didn't vote for me we'd be better off so not only is it inhumane, it is un-american. it is unpatriotic. and it quite frankly it's despicable and by the way if you were to look at the cases of covid, not deaths, cases of covid you will see that a large majority of the top states who have covid cases are red states. but the president here is deciding to divide the country

by death and bedeay death rates how certain states have been affected and unaffected as if he would like to toss out those deaths in those blue states and not pay any attention to them? i mean, to me it was one of the most remarkable things he said yesterday and as you know he said an awful lot of remarkable things. >> yeah. it is not like that it's essentially what he's saying is they don't matter. >> right. >> because they aren't republican or maybe they are less likely to support me. and this is also a president -- this isn't someone who lived in a blue or in a red city or a red state. >> right? >> right? he is from new york. he is talking about his own town. >> right. what he -- former town i guess. what he is trying to do is say that, look, these blue state governors, they were inefficient. i told them what to do and they didn't listen to me and now as they're talking about

negotiations for the stimulus package, by the way, what he is saying is that these folks don't deserve the money because they mismanaged themselves. it's just remarkable. we know, you know this, you have been covering politics for a long time. we know that urn like any other president this is a president not interested in enlarging his base whatsoever. he is appealing to a certain amount of people that have been very loyal to him and that stick with him. most presidents when they get into the oval office they decide that they become american presidents. they don't become presidents for one part of the country or another part of the country or a red state or a blue state. they become american presidents. this president has made a decision. he's not an american president. nor does he want to be. he wants to be a president for those people who like him and who vote for him and who will support him in the next election. >> yeah. he could have been something

different. right? >> that's right. >> they're opportunities for presidents to do what is right and that often is what is best politically for them but not in this case. thank you so much. great to see you. >> thank you. good to see you. >> the world health organization's top emergency expert is taking issue with the coronavirus confusion that's created by president trump. one of the president's latest moves undermining the head of the cdc dr. robert redfield. >> i might everyone go so far as to say this face mask is more guaranteed to protect me against covid than when i take a covid vaccine. >> i said to him, what's with the mask? he said, i think i answered that questionen correctly. i think maybe he misunder it. maybe both of them. >> the president also went on to say that the cdc director was confused when he said a vaccine wouldn't be ready until next year. during a w.h.o. briefing this

morning dr. mike ryan stressed that top officials worldwide seem to be on the same page. >> it is important that we have consistent messaging from all levels. there's a process of transferring knowledge to people. it's communicating with them, earn gauging them. it is understanding the confusions their concerns, the apprehension and not laughing at it and not turning it into a political football. >> i want to bring in the former acting director of the cdc dr. richard besser is with us. thank you for being with us. when you heard the president contradicting dr. redfield, what was your reaction? >> first reaction was that shouldn't take a korncongressio hearing to hear from the head of the cdc. the head of the cdc should be helping us as a nation understand the current situation and what to do to protect our

health and i think what dr. redfield was stressing was that a vaccine is not going to come riding in to save the day. and that we need to do those things that have worked around the globe, wear masks, practice social distancing, wash our hands and allowed for control in other countries would work here. when you see a political leader discounting and undermining the head of our nation's public health agency, it leads to confusion and the wiggle room that people feel that a mask is something that should be a personal decision and optional. it isn't. in every state that's mandated masks and everyone thon those t counties to do it, we have seen cases go down and that's the way to control this. >> what should dr. redfield do in this situation knowing he has -- it's a tough choice. you stay because there's an argument that he's a voice of reason in a time of crisis or

you resign because you are involved in an administration that is being motivated by an anti-science pandemic resporns. what should he do here? >> i think every leader has to have their line in the sand. and decide for themselves what they won't cross. what the cdc director is responsible for doing is supporting the agency and supporting the scientists and so hearing him speak out about the importance of masks and social distancing and public health control measures, speaking truth about vaccines and when they may available, that's kricritically important and not want to see him shy away from that. you would like him to have the platforms to do it on a daily basis but something that the administration has not allowed. >> on the vaccine, dr. fauci says if the majority of americans don't take it the

nation can't be protected. do you have a percentage where it would then provide protection to most of the country? >> well, you know, one of the things i have heard others say and i think it's really important is that vaccines don't save lives. vaccination does. anything that takes place to undercut people's faith that a vaccine approved and recommended, that those steps were turn based on science and politics had nothing to do with it, we could have a vaccine and people don't want to get that. and that would be incredibly unfortunate. what we need to see now is work done at the community level, with every community. in particular with communities that have suffered under previous administrations to ensure that any vaccine coming forward is one that's there's

faith it's safe and effective. >> we heard joe biden say he'll trust science rather than president trump with a vaccine. i'm curious what you think because we are hearing some of this fall along political leans. we know that there are just a lot of people out there who wouldn't consider themselves anti-vaccination but they have skepticism because americans are worried that the president can pressure the administration to fast track this vaccine. i guess my question for you is, when democrats are asked if they would take this vaccine, what do you think that their answer should be when it comes to tracking on the line of public health and not on politics? what should they be saying? >> i think what all learns should be saying, regardless of party, whether from a red or blue state, is that i have faith in the fda and the cdc if they're le they're left to do their business and if there's any i d

indication of political fingerprints on this it's a challenge and we have seen to date numerous instances where there's been political interference in the fda, political interference in cdc. and that undermines people's faith that these agencies which are designed to protect and promote our health are able to do their jobs effectively. for a vaccine approval you want to make sure there's an outside body reviewing the evidence, making a recommendation and that there's transparency so that you can see the deliberations, the decision making and if there's any sign of a reversal from a political appointee people understand that and explained. >> sounds like you perhaps sympathize or understand a little bit where some people have concerns but do you want them to wait until it appears that they have a reason to be concerned? are you saying that because we have seen the fda and the cdc be

pressured before that their reticence is understandable? >> yeah. the survey showing the hesitancy concerns me. i hoepe that the process allows people to have restored faith in the process. one thing i would like people to do is get the flu shots because as we're coming into the winter and going to see a number of respiratory viruses circulating anything to do to reduce the chances you have to have contact with the health care system is a good thing and it's a best measure to do coming into the flu season to keep you and your family safe. >> yeah. it is on the top of my to-do list. thank you so much. >> it's a real pleasure. just ahead, a mom says that she and her 2-year-old son kicked off a southwest mask because he pulled down the mask to eat gum my bears. a number of wild claims

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jones for "the new york times" magazine and the creator of the 1619 project and also with us is cnn senior legal analyst and former federal prosecutor laura coats. it is great the see both of you and so glad you could join us for this discussion and, nicole, what did you think about the ag's comments? >> i mean, where does one begin? they were cynical. they were ahistoric and offensive. slavery was a crime against humanity. it is amongst the most brutal institutions that existed in the united states and to compare slavery to, one, there is no national shutdown order, never has been and compared to those sbernded to save american lives is not based at all in any type of factual understanding of american history, of slavery or what the shutdowns are supposed to do. and it's just part of this administration's efforts,

continuing efforts to down play slavery and the politicize life saving measures for america because of a failed coronavirus effort. >> laura, what did you think? >> i have to say i was waiting on batded breath from nicole and i agree about the ahistoric idea and the role to be the head of the decpartment of justice to enforce laws and knows we don't cherry pick the types of laws to prosecute nor do we make analogies through any comparison such as things like slavery and a decision to try to protect the health and well-being of americans and frankly belies the history from the slavery perspective but about what happened with the alien sedition act and with the jim crow south, what happened with any number of things and chinese execution act, all bodies of lives with

history and contributed to the growing and continuing irn equality and for this particular attorney general to represent the department of justice and preternd as if there's some way to conflate the two to compare the two is mind boggling. let alone his viewpoint that the department prosecutors are somehow preschoolers when they're attempting to enforce the law and make it the department of justice not one of hypocrisy or ahistoric references and certainly not one of injustice. >> to me that description of slavery is another kind of constraint. i thought the sort of clinical, sterile way of describing something so horrific was very surprising and apaupalling and s dismissed the black lives matter movement and let's listen to this. >> that's why these so-called

black lives matter people, as a proposition who can quarrel with the proposition but they're not interested in black lives but interested in props, a small number of blacks who were killed by police during conflict with police, usually less than a dozen a year who they can use as props to achieve a much broader political agenda. >> nicole, he goes on to say that black on black crime is a bigger problem and that prosperity and rule of law are the solution. what do you think? >> well, these arguments are two sides of the same coin so on the one hand you're going to compare wearing masks and other measures such as shutdowns to the institution of slavery of one of the greatest impingement of civil liberties and then downplay the killing of citizens by armed agents of the staft as

something that's not a real issue to be concerned about so what the ultimate message is that actually black lives do not matter to this administration and we know that bringing -- any time someone brings up black on black crime it is a racist trope because almost all crime is committed in a race. white people kill white people. black people kill black people and if the only time you're concerned about black people being killed if the perpetrator is a black person then i think that that gives up the game so these sentiments are reflective of each other. >> and, laura, you mentioned how barr attacked his own department. how do you think prosecutors at the department will react to this? >> well, the idea of the morale being lowered every time the attorney general not only makes statements like this but also

gives misinformation, remember, only a few weeks ago when he couldn't express he knew that it was a federal violation of law to vote twice, now you have a denial of systemic racism, he mentioned about a dozen lives or so? you know how many lives matter to people? about a dozen or so or the hundreds it happened or to minimize and sort of denigrate people in that fashion is not what a career prosecutors stand for. i serve under multiple attorney generals over the course of my career and the idea that the morale at an all-time low is an understatement of the year for things like this. it is not above the pay grade to try in order to pursue justice, the make judgment calls that are apolitical, that do not concern themselves with who's in the president's orbit or say to themselves, this person is not quite important enough to prosecute as a victim of vie lerns. we don't prosecute like that.

lady justice is supposed to be blindfolded and with these antics as it's as if he removes that blindfold and daring people to question that judgment. that simply karncannot be toler and i'm certain it is not of professionals that serve at the department of justice and the american people. >> laura -- >> i think it's important to -- >> go on. >> there are about 250 black americans who are killed in law enforcement -- by law enforcement every year, not just 12 and that is a rate of three times that killed by white americans so one every one of those lives matters and we shouldn't allow the attorney general of the united states to spew untruths. >> no. it is such a good point. i'm so glad you had those numbers at the ready. it is not acceptable and we should know, right? he is the attorney general. so he should be aware of the numbers that are so important at

this point in our history. i could talk to your forever about this. i have so many more questions and will leave it there today. thank you to both of you. >> thank you. >> thank you. a disturbing warning from the world health organization of a very sierious covid situation in europe. fox news peddles misinformation to the viewers about the pandemic and a mother who says that she and her toddler kicked off a flight after he took down the mask to eat a gummy bear will join me live on what happened. the game doesn't end after a spectacular touchdown grab

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any parent can attest to the fact that it's a challenge to take a plane trip with a 2-year-old but that reality has only gotten tougher in the and of coronavirus. just ask a chicago mom who was kicked off a flight home from florida because the 2-year-old son wouldn't keep the mask on. jody is joining me now with her story. i have a 2-year-old and he refuses to wear a mask. you had traveled to florida and you were heading home and you were trying to get a mask on

your son. tell me about how that all went down. >> yeah, sure. we traveled to florida the week prior on southwest airlines, sat in the first row, the flight atern dantds came over one time and asked if he was 2. i said a couple weeks over 2, asked if he would wear the face masks, i said we're working on it. they said do your best. we are flying home from florida to midway, totally different story. same airline. we boarded the plane, got the snacks out, the tablet, the face mask below the chin, distracting him so he wouldn't bother the other passengers on the plane. first time, you know, sitting in his own sit with his seat belt on now that he is 2 and again with full intent to wear that face mask. so the flight aten dartendants over and asked if he would wear the face mask and i said, absolutely, he will wear it as

soon as he's done with the snack. i can give you my word and they came by about the fourth time it was serious. put the snack away. got ready to go. it wasn't easy and the face mask was on and gave a thumbs up. they were in the back of the plane and then we had pulled back to the gate and were asked off the flight. >> i want to read what southwest said because they said this is -- this is a statement from them about their policy. the policy, quote, requires all customers over the age of 2 to wear a face covering or face mask while traveling to kept prevent the transmission of covid-19. so they're basically saying there and if the customer is unable southwest regretds we cannot transport that individual. jody, we reached out to southwest to say we would be speaking with you today and asked for an update specific to your case and they said they

didn't have any up dates to give. what do you say tho that? they have a prevailing health concern of keeping masks on people but at the same time it certainly is something tricky with a 2-year-old and something that -- it is difficult in that age range. i guess, what is your beef here that you wish they had done differently? >> yeah. you know, we are a pro mask family. we practice wearing masks, we have different masks and get together in play groups and socially distance and he knows very well that when we walk into a building, a room, it has a door and a ceiling that mask goes on so that's something we are practicing at home but listen. you know when you have a toddler it is all about consistency, whether it's bedtime or snack time or daycare, practicing consistency and this is a new protocol and it is going to take

sometime. what i can say is that we are very pro mask and we believe that everyone should wear their mask for this thing to get on the decline across the globe. and that wasn't the case here. he was wearing his mask. you can see in the footage that someone captured. he was fully wearing the mask. i have this conversation with the gate manager. he was wearing his mask for full two to three murinutes she saide wasn't ten minutes ago. ten minutes for a snack for a 2-year-old is a short period of time so there's a lot of gray and room for interpretation and subjectivity and flight crews dealing with families, have maybe more compassion sometimes than others. >> yeah. and look. you also were dealing with some i think inconsistency on the two

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a stark new warning today from the world health organization that europe is not in the clear yet. cnn's scott mclane is following this for us. >> reporter: across europe governments are scrambling to contain a second wave of the coronavirus which is already eclipsed the first one in weekly case counts. in september, covid infections increased 16% across england. the uk is douing more tests and still dealing with shortage of them. france and spain though have taken the brunt of the virus resurgence.

the world health organization calls the situation very serious and say it s the latest numbers should be a wake-up call. >> thank you so much. i'm joined by britain's foreign minister dominic robb. i want to start with the point that britain is seeing a rise in covid cases and testing capacity increased since march and you have the issues with lab capacity and community testing which is near capacity right now. is britt tain ready for a secon wave? >> we braced and prepared with the planning. we have got our testing capacity up to 370,000 tests per day. as you rightly said our testing rate is best in europe. we are turning two thirds of them average around in 24 hours and want it down to 20 minutes and one of the reasons we have

an uptick is schools and universities are back and as we open up our society we have come through the peak and we open up the society, get business back running and the economic side of things we expected uptick in cases and everyone is waiting on the hospitalizations and the fatality. the hospitalization rate is very low and always looking at having made great strides to get that testing capacity and the speed of testing up as high as we can and as you say with the second wave or the upticks, once you have come through the peak and opening up the jobs and businesses and the schools there is an expectation and what we have got is testing capacity but the lockdowns to make sure to manage it. >> you aren't through the peak yet. i want to be clear on that. i know you deal with this backlog. that's something you're trying to tackle. as we look at a vaccine, right

now the possibility of one, there are late stage trials of an experimental covid vaccine at oxford and that resumed this week after it was halted due to patient illness. where is the uk government in terms of a timetable for the vaccine? >> yes. first of all, in relation to the earlier point, i wasn't sure whether we are or aren't through the first peak. we are. >> you are on the -- you call it an uptick but you can see that you are -- this is on the way up and not through another peak is my point. you are heading into a second wave here. >> well, just to be really clear on this, we've gone from a hospitalization rate of 3,000 per day in april at the peak to around 100. >> but you know that lags. you know that lags the case rate. >> well sure. that's in between cases and the fatalities but that's a big barometer of cases developing

into serious illness so we have always known that there are upticks. the key thing is the ability to control it. we have got the tools in place as i described. in relation to vaccine, that's a way to actually end the threat of coronavirus. there are others but that's a key element. we have got the research trials. you are right in that we had a pause and that's inherent in the testing system to make sure and responsible country that's looking at vaccine trials has got to make sure that they're safe otherwise you create a false sense of security or put at risk our sit concerns and the reason we have those checks to make sure that we when we launch the vaccine we are good to go and rapidly distributed and makes it difficult to say precisely when we'll be there but we're making great progress and we continue to do so. >> do you have a range on the timeline?

>> as soon as possible. and of course, you've got to make sure you have got the ability to get the needles in arms, the logistics, the industrial side of things and we are looking at just the uk here but the world. a big thing we have done, the prime minister hosted the summit and smashed the target for raising $8.8 billion global funding to make sure to help other countries, particularly the most vulnerable around the world, immunize their people and not just kind of abstract moral sense of responsibly. that's where we want to avoid the dominos of a second global wave coming back to potentially hit the uk. >> sure. no, it is -- >> for all uk reasons. >> it is incredibly important. we' we're hearing from our president saying three to four weeks but then we hear from administration officials who are involved in the vaccine race and they're putting it at a much longer

timeline so i guess what i'm trying to see is from your per suspective what your expectation of a timeline would be. are you in the realm of weeks or are you thinking that this is still months off? >> well, i'm going to avoid giving a specific forecast because we found with the oxford trials as you go the goal post can shift a little bit and we know that we have made great progress. we are i think in a good position. but i'll let the people running those trials give the more specific timeline. when they feel confident to do so. otherwise you raise expectations you can't keep and i want to manage that quite carefully. >> certainly. i also want to ask you because trade between the u.s. and the uk is hinging on the protection of the good friday agreement which erranded decades of vie lerns in northern ireland. >> sure. >> is that in jeopardy? is the uk willing to threaten trade with the united states

over this? >> no, first of all the good friday jeopardy agreement is no jeopardy from the uk side. we have made the agreement, come what may we will not put infrastructure direct border between the north and the south. i think it would be great and i spent sometime on the hill talking to congressional leaders explaining that, giving that reassurance. we understand the u.s. sense of guarantorship of the good friday agreement. george mitchell was an incredible contributor to that process and it was important to have the opportunity to explain it. it would be helpful for those concerned about this to e lis sit the same commitment not to require any infrastructure at the border between the north and the south. it's only the uk that's said that. but rest assured we'll resolve

the issues with the european partners but not going to be any hard border, certainly not applied by the uk and i think if the eu made the same commitment it would help in the negotiations and i hope the american colleagues reinforce that point on both sides. >> thank you so much for being with us. >> great to talk to you. a doctor on fox news claims, quote, masks do nothing to protect against the coronavirus. we'll get the facts straight next. look, this isn't my first rodeo and let me tell you something, i wouldn't be here if i thought reverse mortgages took advantage of any american senior, or worse, that it was some way to take your home.

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we have pointed out that millions go to fox news for information, or should i say misinformation and that includes inpresident. if you only watched fox news, you might think hydroxychloroquine is what tylenol is to a headache or gathering indoors and why would you think that? >> we have decades of medical science, randomized controlled studies that show respiratory viruses, masks do nothing. >> that is just false, it's nonsense and it's dangerous. it's like telling people go ahead and smoke. it's actually healthy for you. at brigham young university,

they have read studies and there is wide consensus that masks work. cloth masks can stop 90% or more of droplets carrying the virus from being dispersed. in countries where public masking was common practice before the pandemic, covid had an initial growth rate of 18% where people did not regularly wear masks. if mask usage increased from 60 up to 95% we would save 120,000 of those lives, but dr. don't wear a mask, oh, please go on. >> this virus is dying away through natural herd immunity and believe me, we'll never be able to produce any reliable sources except the journal of irreversible results.

>> and herd immunity was made up by the media and the president wasn't considering it. the president -- it's allowing the coronavirus to run its course freely, allowing a lot of people but if the u.s. did that, 200,000 plus americans would have to die, according to one doctor to achieve that. only a few percent of americans are expected to. >> university of washington models and those people have been wrong since march and they continue to be wrong until this day. if an asteroid hits the earth in december, a million people might die. that's about as likely as what he is predicting right now. >> don't bother looking a that

facts before they go on tv. the models, they have been wrong but not in the way that he claims. the prevailing model, which the bhies has used and uses, underestimated the number of deaths and cases we would have. just take a look. in march, it projected 81,000 american deaths by july. in may, they projected 100,000, the real number, 155,000. in join, 10080,000. it is still september and we have surpassed that number. in july, it was 200,000 by noevl and we're on the cusp of that right now a month and a half early. these are families destroyed that they are lying about. >> reason that this post november prediction is being made is because it's

unfalsifiable before theelection. cases are down, hospitalizations are down, deaths are down. so, the people have been trying to panic the country for six months, have to point to something that they won't be able to pasify before the election. >> people are trying to panic the country? because nearly 200,000 americans dying in seven months is actually no big deal? is that what he's saying? this pandemic is coming in waves. but those numbers are still not low. just because they're lower than they were this summer. on tuesday, they saw the highest number of deaths this month. it's about to collide with the flu season. and consider nthis. we have lost almost 200,000 people and that's taken place in less than eight months.

we're expected to lose just as many in less at the amount of time. when cdc director testified that masks could be more powerful than a vaccine, he was giving a lifeline to the president's re-election chances by saying that. >> these are the most important powerful public health tool we have. clear scientific evidence they work and they are our best defense. i might go so far as to say this face mask is more guaranteed to protect me against covid than when i take a covid vaccine. >> the president responded to that by demeaning redfield and slapping him down and fox news ran with it, they enabled it. misinformation is a virus unto itself. and fox news is the vector. tals for children

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