let's talk about making more highwa highways. you can't get it done so i have never done that. i have been able to get awfully a lot done because i don't question motive. i am going to be america's president. i am going to be a democrat, proud of it but america's president. >> do you think is possible to reach across the isle? >> yes, i do. i am confident i can. i am confident that with president trump out of the way and his attitude and his way of just getting after people revenge, with that gone there is going to be an awfully a lot of republicans who slouhould spokep already. i think there will be some where six and eight republicans ready

to get things done from dealing with cancer and covid and healthcare and infrastructures. i think we'll bin nguyen bawin democratic senate. >> mr. presidenvice president, appreciate your time tonight. i want to thank our audience for being here for their questions and thank you for hosting us. "primeti "primetime" with chris cuomo is coming up next. thank you, anderson, i am chris cuomo, welcome to "primetime." joe biden is calling president trump to step down, his failure to get this country together and moving forward in a time of

crisis, suggested the failure is something trump knew he was doing. in his first town hall since winning the democratic nomination right here on cnn. joe biden says trump knew how deadly covid was and did nothing. that's quote "close to criminal." biden got an eye popping endorsement from one of mike pence's former top aid. a task force member who was working there a month ago and she's a let it loose on president trump. we have some of her sound. we'll talk about the impact of all of us with our power team. david axelrod and myles and abby. abby, let's start with the net effect of the night for biden for the town hall. >> one of the things you saw is

biden's ability to stand there and answer questions in a coherent fashion. trump spent weeks how biden is not fit and complaining that he thought biden was seeking for enhancement of drugs. joe biden was able to answer a wide range of questions and a great deal of details. he took a tough question who was a trump suppo's supporter about environmental regulation. he was able to handle those questions. i think that is probably one of the more significance things to come out especially we are going through the period of debate. >> under the you can't make it up category, he's got the president who pronounced

yosemi yosemite, yosemy and thailand as tailand. do you think joe biden moves the needle with anyone that matters or galvanizing his own group or fencing trump voters. >> i did notice one thing that was pronounced which was a populace edge with his rhetoric tonight, he described growing up in park avenue and he talked about guys who inherit their money and squandering verses the hardworking people who grew up in the town he came from. i think this was very deliberate. you will see more of that it appeals to white working class voters who are very much of trump supporters.

biden is getting more of them than hillary clinton. he's trying to cement those support. >> i want to play you a sound byte in the control room. >> towards the middle of february, it was a matter of covid-19 being a big pandemic. the president did not want to hear that, his biggest concern was his election. the truth is he does not actually care about anyone else but himself. >> let's see the premise of that. do y understanding in the white house, we knew, everyone had it wrong. everybody was surprised by this in january but then moving into

february, they started to develop a different understanding that was met with hostility at the white house and certainly the president. >> first off, olivia, she's one of the most hardworking and honest public service i have ever met in my beyer careentire. when the president asked the department of homeland security, you would recommend the homeland security adviser to the vice president, the one person in the department of 250,000 people, he recommended was olivia because of her background was extraordinary and her profile. >> when they say troy, troy hates trump.

she never liked him and now she's out in the middle of a crisis. shows how much she cares. what's your response? >> i am dpoing going to tell yo. i had lunch with the vice president in the united states in the west wing of the white house and he told me to my face, olivia troy is doing an incredible job as my homeland security adviser. today they sent out -- keith kellogg. he told me olivia troy is doing an incredible job, i am some glad that dhs referred her to us. bigger picture, i would say this, look, when we talk about accountability in american society, we think these days especially after this summer of civil unrest and things like body cams on police officers, you should think of olivia troy.

she gave you a realtime testimonial of what's happening for this administration. she's the body cam of the american people how this president making decisions in a moment of extraordinary extraordinary consequence. now she's telling us what she saw. >> abby, we heard this before that the president was worried that the pandemic would get in the way of the strength of the economy. that's why he did not want the pandemic to get too much attention early on and played it with the hoax line and everything else and right up to the resistance of masks. >> the president told bob woodward on tape that he wanted

to down play it because he did not want to cause panic. it was not just panic among individuals. it was panic in the market. at the time he was saying publicly he was very concerned about that. he talked about i all the time around that same period of time. it is clear based on the president that this was a driving force for him. when he repeatedly said that he did not want to bring americans ships offshore where there was coronavirus present on those ships. he didn't want to numbers to go up sop he would look bad. these are all things he said himself that points to the president being very concerned of the impact on the economy, the impact on frankly of the economy and being the biggest thing that's important to him because that's what he knew he needed to run on and still actually based on the polling. he still has an edge there. that edge is eroding and that's

what he's concerned with. >> axel, does this matter to his base or any republican voters? >> what olivia troy had to say? > > >> yes. i think his basis i e is implaq. he's behind by a significance margin in many of his battleground states. time is running out. he needs to moove voters. when stories like this surfaces, it creates more head winds for him. i think it is problematic. i want to say one thing in reaction to what myles said. it was an interesting analogy to call the body cam of this operation. the difference is of course she's a human being. she's not a piece of equipment. she did something very, very

courageous. she's sophisticated enough to know that coming forward she would make herself as a target and felt it was enough consequence to take that risk. it may be a heroic thing to do because it is unpleasant to be in a target and of the abuse she begun the take. they have to try to discredit here, her testimonial was too powerful. that's powerful, powerful stuff. >> there is another piece of sound. i think it is going to make it easier to discredit her in this bizarre world we are living in now >> when we were in a task force meeting the president says maybe

this is a good thing. i don't have to shake hands with people, these disgusting people. those disgusting people are the same that he claims to care about. >> myles, people will hear that. he'll say exactly what he says which is i would never say anything like that and they know i love them. it may actually hurt with his team where somebody comes out and talks about joe biden, he got a real problem on his hands. how do you analyze that dynamic? >> i want to echo what david just said and that's what he did was free. until no way this is beneficial to her career. >> right. >> or her personal life. what she did was very impressive. second in terms of the quote itself. i think that olivia has said what many of us heard.

in the oval office with donald trump and meetings with donald trump or events with donald trump, he shows disregard for the people that he claims to represent and support. he shows disregard for human life. we see it when it comes to migrants at the border or american lives that's under threat from natural disasters. donald trump cares about one person and one person only and that's donald trump. i don't say that lightly. this is the president of the united states. i served with him and i went in as a republican. i left feeling he was the least compassionate leader i have ever worked under in my entire life. olivia troy had that same experience. david's right. she's not just a body cam. she's a human being. you watch that video, and the emotions you see in her video is not coached or from a director. that's from a woman who had a

real experience in this administration firsthand and saw this president and left feeling like they were not doing enough to protect the american people and the president did not care. >> abby, did you think there was anything tonight that showed a potential avenue of future strengths for biden or potential vulnerability for biden? >> i think there were a couple of questions about the economy and people's wages and healthcare workers and you know there are so much talk right now about social issues and all kinds of things. the central issue for many americans remains the economy. their economic future and their economic stable aility. i did feel biden was able to turn a lot of these questions back to that poor issue repeatedly in a way i felt like

it was pretty effective. the second thing and become more po important is when he asked about how do you work with people across the isle. he had an answer for that. i don't judge people's motives. he basically says i don't burn bridges with people. i have been able to do a lot of deals by being able to work with people across the isle. the american people is going to look at what is the alternative? and i think biden has began to articulate that case for himself tonight with some of these questions. >> final word from you axel, does biden gets into the effort by being apart of the obama/biden administration, it was different cull to gicult to done. that's something he has to

defend. >> you can't have it both ways. in washington at the time she was serving, he was known among legislatures as someone he could talk to. he did have a relationship with mcconnell or another. whether the politics will allow him is another question. he spent 36 years in the united states senate, he understands the arc of dealing with fellow legislatures and understand what their needs are and their positive is. perspective is. >> i think that could be helpful for him in this polarized time. >> i don't do a lot of panels but i like you three. i honestly could say, i could not anticipate any of your answers.

these are all big moments man. >> thank you for the perspective and the seasonanalysis on an imt night. obviously all of this is happening under the cloud of what? the pandemic. 20,000 more of us could die from covid-19 in the next few weeks. you can politicize that number as much as you want. oh, they're mostly old people or 55 plus. for young people, for most people it is all okay. tell that to the families. people in that age range happens to be the fathers and the mothers and center of the family and the people you want around as long as you could have. that's where we are. director robert redfield of the cdc says wear your masks. the president never says it to you. he said it once patriotic duty. when redfield says it, he's trying to shut him up again and shut-out science. why? >> let's ask our special guest

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it seems clear at this point that president trump believes he can own the pandemic. let's get some perspective from his own surgeon general. >> what is the surgeon general talking about? the same thing the cdc has been talking about and tony fauci and other task force have told you. what you hear from lawmakers and republicans who are not within an earshot with the president. you can wear the masks and deal with with hygiene and social distancing. let's ask the very agency that could be helping lead the way during this pandemic. tom price, trump's secretary of

health and human services before leaving in 2017, amid controversy. mr. secretary, thank you for joining us. >> good to be with you. >> let's look at the past through this lens. had you not gone through that scandal and admit of what happened and paying it back, you would probably not have been dismissed in the administration. you would be there now. is that is source? >> there is a lot more of that story and that's not why i have gone on the show this evening. >> i know. >> i don't know if ill still be there. there are a lot of individuals who come through the administration, i think what's important of this issue right now is the incredible privilege that i have working with hhs

members. throughout the entire globe on health issues and so it was a remarkable privilege for me to be able to serve at hhs and be at one of my highst fouest foun. >> michael caputo suggested something else. keeping people in the dark and keep this pan emdemic out there get rid of the president. do you buy that? >> i saw dedicated people will they are appointees or career individuals. these are folks who have been there for a long time could be doing all sorts of other things. many of them dedicating their looi lives to and -- it was a great honor for me to be able to save with them and the cdc was at the top of that list. >> do you agree with dr.

redfield of the plus/minus on the vaccines and the absolutely sign behind this? >> i thought dr. redfield was very clear and i commend him for what he said. we are dealing with an infectious disease. when it came out, it was called the novel-coronavirus because it was new. all of us are naive because our bodies have not seen it before. we are watching it play out realtime for the american people and citizens of the world. when you have an infectious decide, one of the things you need to do is mitigate it. t one of the things you can do is wear mask and social distance. this is not rock science.

this is something public health known for years. >> why do you believe the president taken an attack and having rallies and his campaign staff would say hey, you want a mask, he never encourages people to wear a mask. he did once in public and since then he's been quiet about it. i don't know. >> i will tell you that the role -- >> it is incredibly important. >> the role of sicientists is t provide the most candid information. that's my goal at this point. >> do you think people should be wearing a mask? >> yes. they know it is safe, absolutely. >> if they go to a rally, should they wear a mask?

>> if they're in a group of individuals that they don't know and they're not able to distance, it is public he'll 101 to wear a mask. >> would you hold a rally if you are going to have a book coming out and do whatever, hey, we'll pack it for you tonight. mas mask is optional. >> making certain there is mitigation activities going on whether it is wearing a mask or social distancing or a few people in a certain area. this, again, this is not difficult stuff. it is stuff that we have known for. >> and i agree. >> the american people understand this in their gut. that's why you are seeing some of the good trends. we are seeing decrease in transmission and decrease in

deaths. focus are spend more attention now. we need to get our young constituents recognizing their roles. we are doing better as a nation. i think we need to celebrate that. >> yes, except we are doing better despite the constant messaging of the president of the united states. i get that you don't want to talk straight politics, i understand that. i know the truth demands. >> we all know that the science says we should wear a mask. the president says otherwise. so telling the truth to the american people says science 101 says, wear a mask. it is wrong for the president to suggest and encourage otherwise. i think you need to save both parts if you want to tell people the truth. >> i think what i am inspired by

is the work of a certain general. i am inspired of the cdc director and the work of nih and individuals there and folks who have been very clear on this. >> they have been frustrated and silence by a president who gets upset when they say what you are saying right now. which is why redfield got slapped down. >> do you want to point out that the president should not be doing that and he should not be discolon discouraging mask use. >> not individual. the president. >> this is a new infectious disease, we need to mitigate the challenges. one of the things we can do, everybody and regardless of what the president says, regardless

of - >> how can you say regardless of what the president says when you don't even want to say -- you know i have known you for a while and i respect you as a clinician. if you want to get people in a better place then you keep on playing the game. people don't wear masks because they believe he does not think you need them, too. why won't you say he should not say it. >> which is why i am on the air right now which is encouraging individuals to recognize the science and follow the science. >> the president tells them they don't have to so now what? >> do things to mitigate. >> and the president says i don't have to. come to my big rally. the fire is going to disappear.

>> if i were at it, in an area where there is no availability to physically social distance, i would wear a mask and encourage everyone single person. >> what would you say to the person who's telling people to do otherwise. i am not letting you go, doc. >> that's what the science dictates. >> i agree with you. you won't say trump is the lie in science and his people respect you. they need to hear. now, wear a mask, i get it. >> i think they gotten that message first. one other thing for you. the president is saying that he's going to have a great plan. why three years in should trump supporters and other voters who were thinking of booing for him

have trust that he's going to come up with a plan when he had all these time coming up with a plan and have not. >> there are real challenges in the healthcare system. what is the answer and how do we get ourselves in a better place in terms of our healthcare system and what the administration has been working on. i know my former colleagues in the u.s. house and senate, they have been working on issues. make certain that we don't put the government in charge. we know when that happens, -- >> that does not mean he does not have a plan. >> you have to ask folks that are there right now. if i had a privilege to stick around, i would be able to move it. >> you and i have talked about it before. i have a plant but i was in the united states. >> he didn't make those plans.

that's not enough. >> that's right. >> so, i heard my colleagues talking about the imperative and greater choices with the work and plans throw jobs network. it is called a healthcare for you to make sure we contrast it for medicare for all. >> i got you. >> we want healthcare for you where individual patients across this land. >> i get it. when the president puts out his competing plan, i want you to come back on the show and help me what you see is a plus and minus it. doctor, i appreciate you coming on, i appreciate you as a clinician. we need to start telling people the truth and what to believe or whatnot. >> thank for being with us.

>> i am sorry. take care. >> if the science is wear a mask and the president is ignoring that then you have to say he's wrong to ignore it. >> i get that he's upset. it is mistaking us sick. it does not have to be. sedition is specific. it requires a specific illness and it is a bill, deep. deputy -- when they may be appropriate including sadicious attorneys. >> good to have you right now.

what do you see behind this group? do you see this is logical? >> i see something else. not just the president but the attorney general of the united states does not work for the american but for the american and through legal positions, the rhetoric of the president. you know, sedition is a big deal crime to bring. as you say, it's a very specific statute, that has specific elements. and it's not typically used in this fashion. in fact, it's almost never used in this fashion. i plan to go back and take a look. but more than likely, it seem like this is another example of the attorney general doubling down on what the president says and does. and in effect, on some occasions, tries to help the president's allies. and on other occasions, tries to make war on the president's adversaries. and talking about these protests

and rhetoric about them, and who is at fault, he overemphasizes, you know, one group of people. and underemphasizes another group of people, namely, white supremacists. so, it seems to me, it is part and parcel of a political message, rather than something that's legally sound. >> what happens, next? >> that's a great question. >> but i know you volunteered your services to one of the municipalities in question. why? >> well, you know, again, i don't know if the report is true. there -- there is a report that the attorney general asked people in the civil rights unit -- in the civil rights division of the justice department to look at potential charges against a former u.s. attorney/current mayor of the city of seattle. that strikes me as preposterous. and so, i hope it is not true. it would seem not to be true because it's not based on any fact or legal principle, that i am aware of. there is also confirmed evidence, i think confirmed by the justice department, itself,

that had department had been looking at political figures, officials, in portland, oregon. >> right. >> and it's bizarre to me because i have seen rhetoric coming out of the attorney general, in a gas lighting for . you can't just say you don't like your adversary. you have to say they be chargewood a crime and put them in jail. that's what the president does, on a regular basis, going back to 2015 with hillary clinton. the justice department has been c contemplating doing with thorns in their side in portland and potentially seattle. >> well, another promise made, promise kept. he used to say lock her up. maybe, now, ag barr will find a way to make that promise kept. i got to run. thank you very much. appreciate your time. we'll be right back. by the struts

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