erin? >> kyung law, thank you very much. thanks to all of you, as always, for joining us. watch "out front" any time on cnn go. "ac 360" with anderson starts right now. good evening. as we come on air, 199,816 people in this country have been killed by coronavirus. some of their names are on the screen you see next to me. that number from johns hopkins university will rise. on average 800 people are dying every day so within hours, this hour or the next several hours, it will cross 200,000. makes you want to stop every clock on earth. instead, tonight, we remember the first recorded fatalities were back in february and the projection show many more of us will die in the months ahead. mask wearing and social distancing could have saved many of those lives on that list if more of us were willing to wear masks and maintain distance. the numbers are staggering. the list of names staggering.

it's easy to view them as just numbers but each is a person with a family and people who love them and miss them terribly. there are mothers and fathers on that list. there are wives and husbands and sons and daughters and beloved grandparents. there are doctors and police officers and musicians and teachers and nurses. there is young as 5 months old, some are more than 100 years old. over the next hour, we're going to show you as many of their names as we can. we pulled them from our own cnn reporting and national and local listings from all over the country. that list we're showing you is a fraction of the 200,000 plus people who will have died. in fact, to show all their names even if we knew them all would fill every hour of this program for the next two months. we wish we could tell you-all their stories, show you-all their names but there are simply too many. over the course of this program, we will show you what our time allows. we will remember them, and as you do, too, i want you to

listen how the president started this day a day that will likely go down in history. 200,000 dead. >> we've done a phenomenal job not just a good job, a phenomenal job other than public relations but that's because i have fake news. you can't convince them of anything. they're fake. but we have done on public relations i give myself a d. on the job itself, we take an a plus with the ventilators and with the vaccines that are years ahead of schedule. >> phenomenal job he says. the list says otherwise. nearly 200,000 dead and that number will go up. other than the 1918 pandemic, the civil war and world war ii, this is the single largest loss of life in the entire history of the country. many if not most of the deaths were preventable using tools and e methods that this country pioneered and taught to the world. with the president is teaching

now to the country and the world is how to spread disease and death. yet another rally this time in ohio the crowd booing when the lieutenant governor tried to encourage them to put on masks. they actually booed the lieutenant governor for encouraging them to put on masks. months of watching the president trained them well seeing him mock the idea and watching him go without a mask. some perhaps not knowing how protected he really is inside his biological bubble, his biological bunker or how unprotected he's willing to let them be. it's no accident. cnn reviewed internal documents detailing a plan by the department of health and human services to mail out 650 million reducible face coverings, five to a pact to every household in the country. that was the plan. it never came to pass. an official saying the white house squashed the idea out of concern the official says about creating a panic. that was back in april and the notion dove tails with what the president told bob woodward a

few weeks before that. >> i wanted to always play it down. i still like playing it down u baz i don't want to create a panic. >> when he said that, 3400 americans had died. by the end of april as the mask plan was debated and discarded, the death toll rose from 6300 to 65,000. another 160,000 have died since then. so think how different that might have been if the president had gotten behind the plan had encouraged people to wear masks. instead, he was already on record as far back as late march talking about deaths in the millions and willing to claim victory for less than 200,000. >> if we can hold that down as we say to 100,000, it's a horrible number, maybe even less but to 100,000 so we have between 100 and 200,000, we all together have done a very good job. >> well, just think that was in march. think of everything else he has done and not done as the death

toll rose. he's pushed unproven drugs and pressured the fda commissioner with treatment so lavishly he had to apologize, the fda commissioner, not the president, he doesn't apologize. he's learned on states to reopen against cdc guidelines. administration pressured the cdc to loosen guidance for reopening schools and testing people who don't have symptoms but have been exposed to people who tested positive. first, it was yes and no and friday changed back to yes. just today a new cdc warning was polled and detailed what many researchers believe, covid-19 lingers in the air in a viral fog. it gone from the website. a federal official saying it was posted to the site inner ror. someone at the cdc pushed the wrong button. it would be laughable if it weren't so tragic. they also said there was no political pressure involved in the change which would be easier to believe before this pandemic, before the kneecapping of doctors fauci and birx and

redfield and before hospitals were told to by pass cdc and send case and mortality data straight to the administration. before we learned today the cdc, fda and other haves to submit any new rules to the administration to be signed off on. and throughout it all including now with the death toll about to pass 200,000, the president gave himself a plus grades saying he's done a phenomenal job and of course, always moving the goalpos goalpost. >> it's one person coming from china and we have it under control. >> of the 15 people, the original 15 as i call them, eight of them have returned to their homes. again, when you have 15 people and the 15 within a couple days will be down to close to zero that's a pretty good job. 50 or 60,000, 80 or 90 and goes up and goes up rapidly.

look, we'll lose anywhere from 7 75, 80 to 100,000 people. if we can hold that down as we're saying to 100,000, it's a horrible number. we have between 100 and 200,000. we all together have done a very good job. >> joining us now dr. sanjay gupta and dr. craig spencer dealing with the consequences of this on the front lines at the colombia university medical center in manhattan where he's director of global health and emergency medicine. sanjay, this grim milestone that didn't have to happen, it'svoid. when you see the names scrolling on the side of the screen and as i said, a fraction of those who actually died, who goes through your mind? where are we in this pandemic? >> well, it's really sad to see the names. i've talked to people's families who died and i stay in touch with them. i'm sure dr. spencer does, too. it's just a conversation that i

want to have and understand that i can still reach out to them and they can learn n on me. it's tough. it didn't have to happen. nobody wants to hear their loved one's death was preventable. that's what they're hearing over and over again. that's really tough, anderson. we showed this, i spencer and in together. you look what was possible in terms of preventing infections and deaths, this modelling was done in may and at that point said had the country acted a week earlier, 36,000 people's lives could have been saved at that point. that's back in may. if they acted two weeks earlier, we can show this, over 80 to 90% of infections and deaths could have been prevented. that was back in may. if you extrapolate that to now, that's so many people's lives. also, you mentioned this earlier but just look at this.

you remember we all were paying attention to italy in the beginning. we don't want to become italy. italy is the cautionary tale and we sort of paralleled italy's trajectory and italy went down. we said start to liberate the states and open things up and pulled back on the measures that may have worked, may have had an impact. so it's awful to hear this number, anderson. >> dr. spencer, you've been on the front lines trying to save lives day in and day out and the president giving himself an a plus rating except for public relations. as someone on the front lines dealing with this, how do you deal with that? >> maybe from a political standpoint this is an a plus but from a public health standpoint it's a failure and from my role as a provider, it's been a failure, as well. in my last shift, i took care of two patients back to back. one with acute covid struggling to breathe. a few rooms over is a patient

infected in late march and still suffering from the symptoms. that's when it hit how long we've been dealing with this. we've lost 200,000 people. that's the population of fort lauderdale, florida or salt lake city or montgomery, alabama. we have more deaths in the united states than brazil, spain and italy combined. we're eight months into this pandemic and we're still concerned about having enough n 95 rest pir rar tpirators to do safely now and into the fall and winter when we expect more cases. if you think that this is a political a plus from a public standpoint and a physician and health care provider, every day it felt like a failure and in many respects, i felt like in someways we're worse off than three to four months ago because we don't have the credibility of the institutions like the fda and the cdc. just back then in march and april, nobody would have second guessed the guidance coming out and ideally basis from the fda or cdc.

now every time something gets put up and posted and retracted, we have to wonder was this for a public health reason for the political thumb of this administration trying to change guidance that should be based on public health alone. >> the president almost daily saying we're rounding the corner or we're on the turn. he uses a lot of different phrases but the idea we're rounding the corner, do you see any sign of that? >> no, i mean, i think we've plateaued really at a really high level of viral spread in this country. and we plateaued at a time when we're going into colder weather where people aren't going to have the luxury of being able to be outdoors as much. they will be clustered inside and super imposed on top of flu season. maybe it will be a milder flu season as we seen in australia and dr. fauci talked about. we don't know. that's because people are better about wearing masks down there. but it's worrisome right now. if you go back and look at 1918

in the first six months of that pandemic and the sort of time frame of the year was similar 75,000 people died in the first six months, first six, seven months. 195,000 people died in one month alone after that when that second wave started. that's the worrisome thing. that month was october. so, you know, this is what we try to prevent. i'm not saying that to unnecessarily scare people but we keep talking about this in someways in the retrospect. there are things we can do right now to prevent it being that bad in these next few months. >> i think it's good to look back at the pandemic in 1918 because it is -- look, i'm taking this as seriously as i think as anyone i know and it's hard day after day to continue to just be vehicigilent and hea about the 1918 pandemic second wave is scary and i'll keep that in mind because it's important to stay aware.

back in april, white house apparently squashed that. would that have helped? >> i think that would have been crucial. if you remember at the end of the march, we weren't exactly sure the value that face masks could have getting this virus under control. that science really changed and we knew in early april the cdc itself recommended that americans wear face masks in public to reduce the spread of the virus. if we had at that time sent out hundreds of millions of face masks to people all over this country, it could have sent the public health message saying this is important. if we had that coupled with this administration supporting this and actually wearing masks at the same time, that would have set a really wonderful public health precedent at that time we could have increased the amount of people wearing masks. we could have made it a public health, not political or partisan issue. the result would be fewer people infected and fewer deaths

undoubtedly. >> appreciate it. thank you very much. breaking news, more republican senators anounnounce their decision whether to go along with the vote of the supreme court justice and you see the names of some who died of the pandemic as we approach 200,000 deaths in the u.s. the next few hours. i'll talk to a family of a front line doctor who died after a long battle with the disease.

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on the right of your screen we're scrolling through nearly 200,000 lives in the u.s. from coronavirus as we approach the grim mile stone, we expect to cross over the 200,000 mark. 200,000 dead in this country. the breaking news on capitol hill we're getting late information about a number of republican senators who have been silent whether they will go along with the vote with the next supreme court justice before the november election. phil mattingly is there tonight. two more republican senators going on the record, where do they stand? >> yeah, anderson. it's been less than 72 hours since ruth bader ginsburg passed and republicans are co-lessing behind president trump and senate majority leader mitch mcconnell to push forward on her replacement as soon as before the election. tonight, senator chuck grassley the former senate judiciary, one of the leading proponents in 2016 of republicans not considering president obama's nominee and senator corey

gardener, one of the most endangered republicans coming out saying they will support moving forward on a vote on a potential nominee saying they want a look at that nominee but anderson, what this all under scores is over the course of the last two or three days republicans have gotten behind and at this point in time democrats need four of the 53 republicans to say they will not move forward and not vote on any nominee. they have two. susan collins and lisa murkowski and there is very little hope according to democrats i'm talking to they will be able to find two more. grassly and gardener were two of the biggest opportunities democrats thought hthey had. mitt romney is sitting out there as a possible person that will join democrats. >> it appears mcconnell certainly has the votes. what happens next? >> now everything starts to kick into gear. we don't have a nominee yet. senate republicans have made clear over the course of this day over the course of this evening they are differential to the president although i'm told there is a movement inside the

senate republican conference for barrett. obviously, somebody who is top of mind for christian conservatives over the course of the last several years. mitch mcconnell the majority leader i'm told made clear to the president in a private phone call he would advocate for whoever the president selected, he believed barrett would go best with where republicans stand now. once you get the nomination, the mechanism wills kick into gear. you have tens of millions of dollars on both sides of this fight from the outside on the inside you are going to have both sides trying to figure out every possible way for the democratic side to try and stall the nomination even though they don't have many options to block it and from the republican side to speed this as quickly as possible while mcconnell has not determined whether or not he's going to try to push this before or after the election, make no mistake. the president is on the record saying he wants it before november 3rd and republicans say that's a tight timeline, it is possible. >> phil, thanks very much. that decision by senator grassly surely couldn't have come as

much of a surprise to senators. that will make attempts to derail the vote impossible. joining me is a key democrat chris murphy of connecticut. senator grassly and gardener said they will essentially be on board with mitch mcconnell. this is over, isn't it? the republicans seem to have the votes. >> well, it's not over in part because we don't know who the nominee is. i mean, maybe you can come to the conclusion that the republican party has just become a big personality and so there is no drama as to whether or not they're going to support the president's nominee but let's be clear what the stakes are. you have noted that today we will cross the 200,000 threshold with respect to the number of americans that died from covid. pending before the supreme court is a case that would invalidate the entire affordable care act robbing people, 20 million of them of health care during the middle of a pandemic and raising rates for anybody in the country that has covid or tests positive

for antibodies of covid. if they are looking at a nominee, they better think twice given that so many of them are on the ballot. i think that this ultimately will end the political career of republican colleagues. i'll keep the fight up to win this on the merits. >> how would that work if all this did, you know, if the nominee was selected and confirmed and the affordable care act was ruled unconstitutional in the senate, what would that actually look like? how quickly would people lose their health insurance? >> they would lose it immediately. so the case that's pending before the supreme court asks for act to be invalue taidateiny piece. the medicaid expansion, the exchanges. so if this lawsuit, which is being brought by republicans and

the president was ultimately won by the plaintiffs and that's where this would go if this nominee is confirmed, you'd have the immediate loss of insurance for 20 million americans and insurance companies back in the position of being able to ic increase your rates if you have a preexisting condition and covid is a preexisting condition. it's a humanitarian nightmare and happens potentially as soon as this case is reheard by the new court. >> the president keeps saying he has a health insurance plan but for some reason it can't be seen at this point. he's been saying he has a great health care plan for years now and nothing has been shown. am i missing something? is something out there? >> i mean, they have been saying

that since the act was adopted back in 2011 republicans were crying repeal and replace but they never ever had any plan to replace the affordable care about. people are figuring out over time is that the affordable care about act is a pretty good deal. it provides 20 to 25 million people and stops insurance companies from raising rates if you have cancer. we can't remember the time your child had a leukemia diagnosis, you couldn't get insurance for them. again, this is really scary now because when we do the antibody tests, it may be that big portions of the american population had covid. that's a preexisting condition. you might get denied health insurance if this supreme court nominee gets on the bench. there is no replacement coming. the president doesn't have a replacement. the republicans don't have a replacement. all that happens is the massive loss of life in this country because people can't afford insurance.

>> what can democrats do? i mean, of usually, you want to urge your colleagues and people to vote. other than that, is there anything to be done legislatively? >> i was on the floor of the senate tonight arguing with my republican colleagues what the stakes are here. obviously, we sequence this. we haven't given up on trying to convince a few of our republican senate colleagues to do the right thing. it's treacherous for them to deny president obama's nominee under the rule that you can't confirm anybody in an election year and then four years later admit they were lying in 2016 when they set that rule and we'll argue this on the merits of the stakes of the nomination and rally the american people to the cause. with an election pending, it's not a guarantee that some of these republican senators in tough races will vote for a radical conservative anti

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overall of this the fact that 200,000 lives lost to the coronavirus. the number remains as it was at the top of the hour, 199,816 people in this country have so far known to have died. we're showing you some of their names on the screen beside me all through the hour tonight and we'll be for the entire broadcast. at some point in the next few hours or by the end of this hour given fact on average 800 people are dying every day. the number will cross 200,000. 200,000 dead. given that the president has the votes he needs to confirm whoever he wants to pick to succeed ruth bader ginsburg, the question is timing. the president today gave his presence. >> i'd much rather have a vote before the election. because there is a lot of work to be done. we have plenty of time to do it. there is a lot of time. let say we make the announcement

on saturday. there is a great deal of time before the election. that will be up to mitch and the senate. i would much rather have the vote. it sends a good signal and it's solidarity and lots of other things and i'm just doing my constitutional obligation. i have an obligation to do this so i would rather see it before the election. >> with that jim acosta joins us from the white house. what more is the white house saying about the timing of this, anderson? >> he would like to have to done before the election and to give you a sense how quickly things are moving along, judge barrett, one of the president's top contenders met with the president here at the white house earlier today. gives you an indication how rapidly things are moving along but anderson, you know, there are lots of different ways this could play out. a talked to a source who said one of the prevailing thoughts going on behind the scene is

perhaps there might be hearings for a nominee before the election but the vote would be after the election. they are gaining strategies because frankly, anderson, there is a potential this could backfire whether or not the president decides to do this before or after the election and so even though you're talking about how the president and the republicans seem to have numbers on their side at this point, they're well aware this could backfire and blow up in their faces. >> when do we expect to know who his pick is? it seems to be a big reveal. >> yeah, absolutely. >> the president said he would like to name somebody on saturday. that would follow the services for ruth bader ginsburg that are expected to take place later on this week. but you can already see the president even joying hip self-self -- himself on the campaign trail teasing this could be a man or woman even though he and his

advisors said it would be a woman he would appoint to the high court. this is a situation where the president faces a critical test and if he puts forward a nominee that devolves into a very partisan, very disruptive process fight between now and election day, you know, this could drag past the november election. that puts the president in a dangerous position . if he loses the election and the senate goes to the democrats, the president in a republican controlled senate in a lame-duck session face the prospect of going against the american. even though the president and republicans appear to have numbers on their side, it doesn't mean this is over yet. >> that's what you mean by it could blow up in their faces? >> absolutely. i mean, if the president and republicans come up empty on election night, then they face a critical test and that is do nay

go against the will of the american people and at that point maintain those numbers? do people like corey gardener, do people like mitt romney? mitt romney hasn't said where he'll end up if he comes out tomorrow and says i'm going with my caucus and republican caucus, do those minds change in the lame duck? so, you know, this all sounds like it's complete but as we've seen from previous court fights, we're not there yet. >> jim, thanks very much. appreciate it. during the president's brief remarks on the south lawn he repeated a smear on the late justice ginsburg and her daughter. she says her grandmother dictated a statement to her days before she died that says my wish is that i will not be replaced until a new president is installed. the president was asked about it this morning on fox. >> well, i don't know that she said that or was that written out by adam schiff and schumer and to lpelosi. that came out of the wind it sounds so beautiful. that sounds like a schumer deal

or maybe pelosi or shifty sci . krrc schiff. >> another president might have reflected on it through the day and backtracked on remarks. this president added to them and told reporters late today it sounds to me like it would be somebody else that was too convenient. perspective from national public radio legal affairs correspondent nina who spoke to the justice's grand during and jeffrey toobin whose latest piece is titled the legal fight awaiting us after the election, the aftermath of november's vote has the potential to make 2,000 look like a mere skirmish. nina, when you heard what the president said about the late justice's words, what do you think? >> well, there were other people in the room when she said that including the justice's doctor

who i checked with so i don't think anybody made it up, let put it that way. clara, the justice's granddaughter was siltitting th with her laptop and wrote it down and it was confirmed by others in the room who were in the famipham -- not family memb >> the idea family members in a highly charged situationnot family members. >> the idea family members in a highly charged situation like this would make up the last words or last wishes like somebody like the chief justice or any family member, frankly is -- the idea of it, jeff, regardless of what the president says about justice ginsburg, they are on board with pushing a nomination through before election or during the lame-duck session it seems impossible they can peel away two more republicans in addition to m

murkowski or collins. >> mitch mcconnell almost always wins when it comes to the united states senate. i think as jim acosta was saying, there are still a lot of moving parts here and there is no nominee and the nominee has to go through a hearing and scrutiny about her and presumably it will be a her on record and, you know, the timing remains a problem. there are just more than 40 days left before the election. the average number of days between supreme court nominations and confirmations is somewhere between 60 and 80 days. now, it is possible they could jam things through but i mean, the senate is hard to move quickly, not impossible but hard to move quickly and democrats will be doing their best to try to slow this process down. if it goes into the lame duck, things could change because we will know the outcome of the election. if donald trump wins, this thing will go very smoothly. if donald trump doesn't win and if the senate goes democratic,

then there are a lot of i'm ponderables. yes, things are looking very good for the president. they are looking good for mitch mcconnell but this thing is not over yet. >> nina, how do you think this might play out? >> well, i don't think there is anyway to know and i don't think there is anyway to know who has the upper hand right now. in the last election, the president definitely, donald trump definitely got a big boost by releasing his list of potential nominees and energizing his base but this is a different election, a different time, a different candidate he's running against and you can see that the democratic base is very energized. you can see it by the hundreds over $100 million they raised since just since justice beginnin

ginsburg died. i definitely think that mitch mcconnell is the craftiest guy around when it comes to confirmations. there are none of the old blocks that used to be there and i'm not talking about the filibuster. i'm talking about all kinds of little procedural things that could slow things down almost all of those, in fact, every one of those that i'm aware of is gone. so, you know, i think that it's conceivable that they could do this before the election and then the day afterwards and the country might rule the day because what we're seeing is not just the polarization of the united states but the wings of the party are driving the party and there is a fairly aggressive movement now on the left to add more justices and to offset whatever the president does if biden were to win and they were to control the senate.

and that would hardly be the first time in american history but would be the first time in about a century. it been done six or seven times in american history they have -- it just by statute. justice ginsburg said it would lead to swirling back and forth but we're not there yet but it's pretty -- this kind of ugliness breeds worse results than you can imagine. >> jeffrey, it seemed like vice president biden had been on the record in the past as not seeming too enthousiastic of growing the court the size of the court. what do you make of that idea of advice on democrats? >> i think it a very realistic idea. i mean, you know, how much did democrats have to take and how many seats have to be stolen from them? one stolen from barack obama and now one, you know, in the

greatest collective act of hypocrisy in american political history, all these republicans deciding oh, it's fine to nominate and confirm someone on the eve of an election while the election is going. people are voting now. it just how much of a patsy does the democratic party want to be? how many more seats will they steal before they do something? i think the filibuster, which is a relics of jim crow and an anti democratic institution from the start, that's something that should go immediately and whether they add more seats, i think it's a very realistic possibility. >> jeff toobin, nina, appreciate it. thank you very much. i want to remind everybody to read jeff's article and i reread your piece on justice ginsburg that you wrote the other day and i know i praised you on it the

other day but i just reread it and it's lovely and i urge people to go to npr.org. thank you. one final word on how the week will unfold and make history. justice ginsburg bodily will lie in repose so members of the public can pay respects. the casket will arrive wednesday morning. the private ceremony with family, close friends and justices will take place in the court's great hall and the casket will be moved to the front steps. former law clerks will serve as paul barriers and the late justice will be the first woman to lie in state in the capitol. it a tribute for the most distin wished government officials and military officers. as you've been seeing throughout the program, we are showing you a list of only some of those who have died because of the pandemic as the nation approaches 200,000 deaths sometime in the next few hours. coming up, we'll talk with a family of a doctor not only on the front lines and helping her community cope but who died because of it. we're all finding ways to keep moving.

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verdicverdict victims in this pandemic as we near 200,000 people killed in the pandemic. dr. rebecca was a specialist in special disease and health care epidemiology. she was a front line doctor in the battle against covid-19 and helped establish a coronavirus unit for her local hospital. she was busy helping her local government deal with the disease when she was diagnosed back in may. she died on september 11th. shortly before air time, i spoke with her husband and their two children, kathryn and jessie. david, kathryn jessie, thank you for being with us. i'm so sorry for your loss. david, you called rebecca the glue of your family. first of all, how are you all doing? how are you holding up? >> we're getting by from day to day. it been a struggle. >> yeah. kathryn, if you could, what do you want people to know about your mom? she sounds like a remarkable woman. she was a specialist in

infectious diseases and outspoken from the start about wearing masks and taking precautions and seems like so many people loved her. >> she was easily one of the smartest, most driven people i knew. she kind of taught me who i wanted to be as a person. she said let people be who they are and kind of really believed in the idea of treating people the way you want to be treated? >> she was a person didn't take a lot of crap. she knew what she was talking about when it came to her field and when it came to a lot of other things and she was the one that i really trusted and i think she's someone that a lot of people trusted.

>> david, how did you two meet? >> we met in college and got married after our first year of med school. >> oh, wow. did she always want to be a >> did she always want to be a doctor? >> she always did. i sort of fell into it. she was very good. at age 15, in a doctor's office, various things with a medical assistant type job, did x-rays and things like that. >> that's amazing from the age of 15 she had that idea in her mind. do you know how it was she got the virus? >> what we think happened, my mother had been ill. someone came to her home and was feeling well at the time. no symptoms, no complaints. took care of my mother one night, a few days later she was

diagnosed with the covid. and a few days after that, my mother was diagnosed with the covid, that was on the 7th of may. and on the 11th of may, me and katie were diagnosed with covid. on the 12th, my wife was diagnosed with covid. >> how is your mom doing? >> it's amazing, she's 90 and she spent five days in a hospital. she's back at home with home health, getting along very well. >> jesse, i understand you're the only one in the family who did not get infected, and yet you were probably exposed as much as anybody else. >> the three days prior to my grandma being diagnosed with covid, my father and i were over there, helping out around the house, and the day that she was diagnosed, dad and i -- she has trouble walking. we loaded her in the car

physically, and took her to the hospital. and then the day that my mom was diagnosed, i was the one that drove her to the hospital and sat in the car with her, 45 minutes to an hour, while they were in their two-week quarantine, i was living in the same house with them, i had plenty of chances to catch it, and never did. >> what do you want people to know about rebecca? >> just that she lived what she wanted to be, when i retired two years ago, i advised her to retire, she enjoyed taking care of patients, working at the hospital. she stayed on doing just that. she knew that being in health care was a rsing, she wanted to do that, she enjoyed taking care of patients and working with the nurses and doctors, she enjoyed teaching medical students and residents, it was what she lived for. she didn't know there was risk for covid out there. if you catch it and have bad

things happen, she still wanted to be part medicine and part helping people. >> that's the extraordinary thing, catherine, knowing the risk and yet so willing to roll up her sleeves and help other people at great risk to herself. >> yeah, she was always like that, even before covid, just wo working and ready to put everyone's needs above herself, our patients, kids, she always -- she took care of everybody that she could. >> even before developing covid, she wanted people to wear masks, social distance. stay out of crowds. everything we did focused around that. 3 out of 4 of us got it. even after the funeral, we had social distancing at the visitation, had a small funeral

service, other people ct she wo have want ed. >> i think if she was here, she would encourage people to wear masks. this fall. you wouldn't want to get those two diseases at the same time. if the vaccine for covid comes out, my son will be the first in line to get it. i hope that makes a difference in how we deal with covid in the future, getting people treated so they won't catch it, hopefully. >> thank you so much, i really appreciate it. >> thank you. up next, some final thoughts about nearly 200,000 people in this country now gone.

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the covid death toll now 1899,000 as we approach 200,000 lives lost, our coverage continues with chris and cuomo prime time. some perspective on the names you see beside me. they represent just a fraction of those 200,000 people. the equivalent of the population of salt lake city or huntsville, alabama or yonkers, new york gone. so many families, so many families lives forever changed. we remember them, we remember them all, and we honor them.

hello, everyone, i'm chris cuomo, welcome to prime time. of course trump sees his response to the pandemic as deserving, as you watch all these screens on your screen, we prepare to pass 200,000 lives stolen, of course we should be doing much better. look at the schools, the people we say matter the most. look at how we're treating our kids. you don't need me to tell you, you're living it, many schools have no testing or inadequate testing. they shut down over a single case