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hello, everyone, i'm chris cuomo, welcome to prime time. of course trump sees his response to the pandemic as deserving, as you watch all these screens on your screen, we prepare to pass 200,000 lives stolen, of course we should be doing much better. look at the schools, the people we say matter the most. look at how we're treating our kids. you don't need me to tell you, you're living it, many schools have no testing or inadequate testing. they shut down over a single case, why? no guidance. no leadership, we're failing our
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kids. and trump gives himself an a. like i argued earlier, we are caught in a supreme wtf idk mode. obvious things that shock the conscience, wtf, still have people split. our school situation is horrible, and yet we shrug, i don't know what to think. now justice ginsburg gone. her legacy's greatness marked by the whole she leaves and what it exposes about how different she was from those who seek to replace her. mcconnell and every republican senator, every one told us nine months out from an election, that's too close, that's too soon. we can't seat a new justice. in something that should bring a blush to even his blank face,
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the mastermind of the merrick garland power grab, the blockade of 2016, senator mcconnell came out today and said, i'll tell you why it's okay to do it now, because the democrats. >> president trump's nominee for this vacancy will receive a vote on the floor of the senate. now, already some of the same individuals who tried every conceivable dirty trick to obstruct justice gorsuch and justice kavanaugh are lining up -- lining up to proclaim the third time will be the charm. >> i mean, the unmitigated gall. just so you understand the situation. senator mcconnell, you got your judges, denied the other side
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their chance, but they're playing dirty, not you. and because they are the ones who did the wrong thing, not you, can you now break your word and do what you said should never be done. all of you republicans in the senate said it was wrong to do it with an election that close. and now, you all just smile and admit you lied to everyone. wtf, right? this must be obvious to all of us, no. divided along the same lines no matter how blatant the hypocrisy. do so many really expect so little? nothing better than this. while trump had nothing to do with the sins of 2016, he did talk about it, you haven't heard it, but he said something directly on point.
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directly to me. >> you have a vacancy on the supreme court. the constitution says the president is supposed to pick a nominee. he's going to do that today, now it's for the senate to do its job. you say, no. don't do it, wait for the next election. why? you say that washington's broken, they don't do their job enough, they all play games? this is one of these games if they don't hold hearings. why continue the problem? >> the next president should make the pick, and i think they shouldn't go forward, i believe -- i'm pretty much in line with what the republicans are saying, i think the next president should make the pick. we don't have a very long distance to wait. certainly they could wait it out very easily, the next president should make the pick, i would be not in favor of going-forward. >> imagine if the president of the united states came out today and when asked about whether or
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not this should happen, he said, well, look, i remember 2016, he's president, right? you can trust him, right? it's fake news. i make it up when i tell you that he's lying to you. that he's a hypocrite, right? now, listen to this again. >> because i think the next president should make the pick. and i think they shouldn't go forward, and i believe -- i'm in line with what the republicans are saying. i think that the next president should make the pick. we don't have a long distance to wait, certainly they could wait it out very easily, but i think the next president should make the pick. i would not be in favor of going-forward. >> a man of his word, right? if that word is me. because when it's about him everything's okay.
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so where is trump now? the answer, the outsider who would come in and break up what's going on. drain the swamp. he's right in there with the rest of them, arguably the biggest gator with his own unique bite. basically accusing rbg's granddaughter of lying about her grandmother's wish to have her seat held open until after the election. listen to this. >> well, i don't know that she said that or was that written out by adam schiff and schumer and pelosi. i would be more inclined to the second. that came out of the wind. >> that sounds to me like it would be somebody else, it was just too convenient. >> that's because you lie with no shame in your game. integrity is an extra. there is no empathy, not even for the family of the dead. and while so many of you, i
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would argue basically all of you would never say anything like that, never. now, no problem. idk, i shrug. okay, fine. if you're not going to judge anybody on the basis of the integrity they bring to the office, okay, i understand why you might not, given how many times you've been frustrated. how many times you've been played for a fool, for thinking that they would do what they're supposed to do. but if you are about the constitution, that's why you -- we have to get back to the constituti constitution, this move is clearly at odds with what's in the constitution. so now, president trump says, forget what i said then, i didn't mean it, or it doesn't work for me now, and you don't care. i can shoot somebody in the middle of 5th avenue and you
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wouldn't care. i'm going to do what's good for me, and this time, i think it's good for you. i'm going to get you a nominee, and by the end of the week. let me ask you this, the speed here is a reflection of the importance, right? he's doing it right away, because he really wants it to happen. this matters to him, right? we all agree on that, right? okay. so what does that say about the delay in getting on top of testing. hell no, i'm not forgetting about it. people are dropping all over this country because we can't track it. why aren't we testing in a smart way yet? why aren't our kids in schools right now? why aren't we able toe track this virus the way they were doing it in third world countries? why doesn't he talk about that with the same urgency? when is the last time you heard him talk about wanting to do better with testing. what his plan is? not the last time, the first
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time? who knows, idk. it is what it is. you know where that attitude is getting us. 28 states seeing a spike in cases again. the number of new cases back up over 40,000. idk, shrug, masks are optional, schools, figure it out on your own. vaccine, magic, baby. it's going to make it disappear. you don't really believe any of that, do you? you're not following it in your own life, are you? maybe for show at some trump rally. but for god sake, put a mask on if you're around other people. socially distance while you can. wash your hands like you were sticking them in something dirty. it's the only way we can get out of this until they figure out how to test in a way that gives
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us advance notice. i hope you do that, because nobody's telling you to do that. and that's really really wrong. >> one of the few right things we're doing right now is paying respect to justice ginsburg, her scotus seat draped in black. she's going to lie in repose at the supreme court. you have to ask yourself look at what's going on right now. i'm not even playing the political hypocrisy game. it doesn't matter to you that they lied right to your face because it now benefits them, so that makes it okay? now, what are the democrats going to do? i don't see a move. let's bring in former 2020 presidential hopeful, senator amy klobuchar with us. >> hi, chris. what's the move? better angels, give me a break. >> the first move is to push our
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republican colleagues, not justus here in the senate, but also the people of this country to say, do your job and look at the fact that you yourself set a precedent. you set a precedent that you now have to respect. and all of them had said, well, you have to let the voters decide, and then the voters picked the president, and the president picks the justice. and look at this in you're a student of history. you go back through time, the closest any justice died to the election, anything like this, was when abraham lincoln was president. what did he do? he waited. he was a wise leader, got through the election, and then made a decision based on who won the election. and to me, that's what you do, and i think one of the things as we look at people voting, and i was listening to everything you said, and i appreciate that you pay homage to those 200,000 people that have died and you and i both, you personally
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experienced -- my husband getting so sick near the beginning, when we now know donald trump knew this virus was deadly. for anyone who's had it in your family, you take it personally. i appreciate you saying that. everything is on the line, health care is on the line. there's going to be an oral argument before the supreme court. as people swroet avote and resp dying wish of justice ginsburg, they know they have to stand up for our democracy and make sure we don't let mitch mcconnell spew it away from us again. >> two points of push back. one is theoretical, the majority, what the polls say, our elected process is no longer about the majority. you have the president that gets picked by the minority of the country on a regular basis. specific to the back and forth on this one, in 2016, you know, you and many others said, we
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need a full bench. we got to do this. now you're arguing, don't have a full bench, even though on november 10th, when the aca case -- arguably the biggest one on the shortest calendar coming up. >> they set that rule in 2016. this is the modern age, i'm not talking about something that happened 100 years ago. it was in 2016 that they all set this new rule, the rules of the game, and that rule is, when it's an election year, and especially when it's this close, you let the people decide. the people are already voting, chris. 25 states, something like that, they're already voting in my state, mailing in their ballots, doing early voting. they have the right to decide this. i think the cynicism of my colleagues. and we already have had two republicans that have come out and said, you should wait until after the election, wait, let
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the people decide. and there are still many more that haven't said what they thought, we are continuing to push, i'm not going to give up, ruth bader ginsburg never gave up. people told her she couldn't go to law school, she graduates number one in her class. she lands herself as a second woman ever ever placed on the highest court in the land and goes on to become a cultural icon in her 80s. anything and everything is possible, and that's what she stood for, that's what we must do. >> i don't know, i don't want to go too far. one thing that most americans can still agree on, this was an impressive person, the notorious rbg. my father, may he rest in peace was involved with the supreme court thing a little bit also, he referred to rbg as the upgrade from him. her greatness, i don't think is in dispute. she was theoretically, in terms
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of how she saw juris prudence, she knew what was in in and arguing that, 2016 the argument from the democrats was, the constitution was on your side to fill it, because the president's supposed to do it. doesn't that mean by extension that's on the republican's side and they're supposed to fill it. >> we valiantly tried to make the argument and they set the new rules. they can't have one set of rules under a democratic president and another set of rules under a republican president. the one thing that makes me hopeful in all of this, is that the people are turning out in droves. joe biden is ahead in states we never thought possible. in a reuters pole just this weekend, the closest one we have, 62% of americans said the next president should pick the supreme court justice. 5 out of 10 republicans, said the same thing in that poll. people are on to this guy, they don't want to see raw politics
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when it comes to the supreme court, they're tired of the divide, all the same reasons they were turning out in droves to vote for joe biden before we lost ruth bader ginsburg, they're even stronger today. >> the country will be watching. if we didn't have enough to pay attention to already. >> thank you very much. >> be well. what's the deal? with the covid guidance being mixed up again by the cdc. somebody pushed send it was a mistake? they're playing politics with what you should know and what you should do about a deadly virus. what is going on here, let's bring on a former cdc head for what the implications are for what's going to happen in this country next.
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security. a second federal court has ruled against the united states postal service, really, that means they're voting in favor of our postal service. they're saying to the postmaster general that was put in by trump, undue the bs that you did to slow down the mail and deprioritize balloting. they want them to put back in all of the things that need to be done to make all mail first class or priority mail express that has to do with ballots. and to preapprove all overtime requests for the two weeks surrounding election day. make no mistake about it. they are still fighting to slow down our democracy. take advantage, you can vote right now, you don't like what's happening with rbg or you do? you don't like what's happening with our kids in school? vote now, vote right now. that's what you need to be doing. because you can.
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so another reason for you to get out of your house and do something to make a change now instead of complaining about what's happening, is what's going on at the cdc. first it's testing, messing with who has to be tested and who doesn't. why? i can't see any reason to do it. i have the same question about transmission science. the cdc is backtracking on guidance it posted friday. here's what went up that was now removed. there's growing evidence that droplets and airborne particles can remain suspended in the air. aerosolized. travel distances beyond six feet during choir practice. in restaurants or in fitness classes. in general, indoor environments without good ventilation increase this risk. you know what places don't have good ventilation, schools.
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schools. the cdc says that guidance was posted in error, what? scientists have long called attention to the risk of aerosols and aerosolization. why would they change it? what is the good reason? i want to bring in a friend of mine, dr. richard besser, former acting cdc director, we worked together for years at abc news, i trust him inherently and implicitly. it's good to see you, doc. >> good to be here, chris. >> help me on this, that's the right guidance, they both -- even i know, from hearing it from you and all the other clinicians, that's the right guidance. why take it down and say it was sent out by mistake? >> i talked to a former colleague at cdc, a leader there. the word i get is, it's going to be coming, the version that's up was not final. i think that what we're going to see coming out from cdc is
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similar to what was up, but it wasn't ready to go yet, it begs the question, why isn't it ready to go, when there's been so many cases now of transmission that looks like it could have been aerosol. >> same thing with testing, they did the same thing about who has to be tested. you don't have symptoms? you don't have to be tested. we know the science, if you're asymptomatic, you can still have it. they know all these things, isn't the answer that somebody else is controlling what the cdc can put out? >> well, you know, i think that those are two different circumstances, and both undercut the trust in cdc. one where you have political interference or political manipulation of science is the most devastating to trust. but when you put something up and you have to pull it down, it begs the question, why did that happen. if we were hearing from cdc every single day. if from the beginning, back when dr. masonia was talking about
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how bad this would get, if that continued, we would have a relationship ongoing with cdc. they would foreshadow when a changing guidance is coming, they made a mistake, they could say, it will be thursday, wednesday, whenever it's going to be up. you wouldn't lose the trust, with the situation we're in right now, every time this happens, it begs the question, why did if happen, who had their fingers on it, can you trust what's coming out of there. >> for me, it's not about the cdc, it's about the pressure on them if they want to keep their jobs. it can't be a coincidence when they complaininged the guidelines for testing. it wasn't ready yet. and the stuff with the schools, the directives, we weren't completely done, it went out too soon. that's too many times with the same excuse. you know, you really don't have to test someone if they don't have symptoms. what is he trying to time travel back to january? why would he say that?
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>> this plays into the biggest challenge in this pandemic where you have public health on message with trying to get the u.s. to do its work in every other country around the world. and the political message saying, masks are a matter of personal choice. we're approaching 200,000 deaths. and thousands of those deaths could have been prevented. we talked about it before, this is hitting every community, but it's not hitting every community equally. it's hitting communitieses of color, low income americans. and what does it say about us as a nation, if we're willing to say, not all lives in this country carry equal value. >> even if you bought into the us versus them game of the political moment, what about your own kids? our schools are so screwed up, rich. they don't have the tests, or if they do have the tests, they're not the right ones, they're picking up positives of people who aren't contagious, when
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they're getting a positive, they're shutting down the entire school because they don't have the resources. it has federal government written all over it, and we've never heard the president talk about wanting to address it once. what do you think about what's happening in the schools, rich? >> i'm a pediatrician, i'm a parent. i know how critically important it is to get kids to school, it's really really important, it has to be done safely. we sneed toe make sure every school has what they need. they're not getting the federal dollars that are required, to make sure that air flow is good, whatever component aerosols play in this, you're able to decrease the risk from that. we're seeing the same breakdown,
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in terms of schools that are lower income. >> best case scenario, you have kids doing it at home. the hybrid thing is the worst. it's not safe enough for them to be there full time but you'll expose them to each other a few days. i can't believe this is the best we can do. i see politics and bad politics all over it. thank you for talking to my audience. >> thanks, chris. all right. i'm telling you, he would never be a part of something like this, i know the man, he was at the cdc. people handle pressure different ways, these excuses we're getting don't make sense to the science. and here we are again. us and them, the scotus battle, it's going to be unprecedented. but it may not be the slam dunk republicans expect, okay?
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i get the hypocrisy point. this is a power play, what they need to do to consolidate power. what if this doesn't work for mcconnell. what if it threatens him, what if he doesn't have the power he thinks. those are big questions. you need big brains to think through them. two of the best to take us through the subtleties of this. kraft. for the win win. i will send out an army to find you in the middle of the darkest night it's true, i will rescue you
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president than trump. he's harming our basic values, giving rise to hate, and he's selling out america to big corporations. i'm working to protect immigrants, women, communities of color, and lgbtq people. and i'm making corporations like pg&e and insurance companies play by our rules. we need experienced leadership to wipe away trump's stain on america for good. our democracy is in unchartered territory, kind of. republicans charted the course for us in 2016 saying when you get close to an election, you should wait to see what you guys want before doing something as
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permanent as seeding a supreme court justice. now they're racing ahead, even though we don't know who the nominee is. where do we go from here, and what may be different than what it appears on his face. >> could this be more dicey from mcconnell? and is what's going on right now as a process proof of a change that you guys don't matter that much. it's really not about rule reflecting a majority. let's bring in a couple good men, who have been thinking about these things. senior editors. the professor as i call him, ron brownstein. good to see you, it's been a minute. i've been watching your stuff, first on the micro. mcconnell may not have an easy a play as it would seem, how, i don't see it. >> he's won so often people
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assume he'll win all the time, there are not a lot of days left between now and the election for the senate, it's a month and a half to voting day, the senate is scheduled to meet for 12 more days before it adjourns. maybe mcconnell has in mind that he can start the process now, and complete it after the election before the inauguration. we're heading to an election which may be 145 million americans will vote. if the polls are right, president trump will lose by a margin of 10 million votes. the idea things just go ahead around what if the republicans have lost the senate? things just go ahead? you could -- >> david froze, let's bounce that -- >> that would make it harder. >> is he back? i lost you for a second, david. finish your point quickly. >> you can say yes he'll just go ahead, in the reality of what the world will look like after an election, that may not be so easy to do.
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the senators may flinch, the nominee may flinch. >> if it were to go this way, why wouldn't that be a reflection of the reality you point out in your peaiece. it's a president that doesn't win the popular vote, and senators in power as a majority party. this is the new normal. >> i think there's no way to look at the last decade except to conclude that the republican party is continuing to wield power after it no longer represents a majority of the country. you can think about all the voter suppression laws and the states. gerrymandering, the efforts to tilt the census that president trump is now engaged in to hold open the seat. merrick garr land is nominated for. doing this in a last minute rush, the reality is, democrats would have won it in seven of the last eight elections. the current republican majority of 53 senators, won about 15
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million fewer votes than the 47 democratic senators in the minority, i -- you know, they may have the votes to do this, and as david said, whether they go through with it after the election, i don't see it, generations born in 1981 and after are now a majority of the population, at some point of the next decade they're going to be the majority of the voters, i don't see them accepting a court that accepts an earlier america knocking down their priorities from abortion to civil rights. we lived through something like this in the 1850s and 1930s, a court appointed by the earlier majority made decisions on dread scott, and ultimately that court was preempted and a way was found around them. >> look at the state of play. he is no shame in his game, the democrats are the ones playing the games, same way, we're going-forward with this, he's basically saying, i lied the
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last time, some of them will try to trick you with this word salad about how well, no, no, no, our point was, the president was one party, the senate was another party, the people have given a mixed mandate. that's bs to anyone that respects the constitution, if that's the play, ron, that we're doing it because we can, doesn't that indicate that this is the path to success for the republicans. might makes right, do it now, and get it done. he controls the calendar, who cares if there's not a lot of time, he decides how much time he needs. >> the republican party has had two choices over the last decade. the changing, evolving america, the other is to try to maintain power on a base, almost entirely reliant on white voters, in a country that's growing more diverse, and to change the rules, shred the norms as a way of holding power instead. pretty clearly, with trump and
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all the things he's done from the census, to extorting the ukrainian government, they have made the choice of trying to break the rules, and that -- it can work at times in the short run, but again, if you are looking at the level of demographic change and generational change coming in the 2020s, i think this is like the 1850s, the dread scott decision, 7 of the 9 justices at that point had been appointed by pro southern democratic presidents of an earlier era, they worked to block the priorities of the majority in the north to constrain the growth of slavery. you're going to see similar things coming if they seat this justice on abortion, gay rights. i don't see it's sustainable that this majority is going to block the decisions of the majority of the country. >> we all know that they can
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pass a law that expands a number of justices. dianne feinstein said she didn't like it. >> it's 2020, wait until 2023. >> right, but you want to win now. for people who say look, he's going to do it now, he controls the calendar, and you take the win when you get it. maybe ron is right, and this will be punished down the road. they'll still have a 6-3 right now. >> there are a lot of players here, there is the nominee, who wants to stick her neck into this, and who wants to have the risk of having her reputation in history remembered this way. and then there's the wild card of the president, he's looking for his own deal for legal impunity, he may react to a defeat by sulking. this is a complicated and unprecedented maneuver that mcconnell is trying to execute. i don't think people should
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assume, he always gets away with it, it's just hopeless. >> i don't know what stops him. trump's not going to stop him. he said to me in 2016 the next president should do this, i'm against it. you say you're against the games in washington. isn't this one of the biggest ugliest games? >> no, trump does what's good for him. how is this not good for him. >> friction stops him. just the sheer difficulty of walking across the room in carpet slippers carrying the egg and the spoon. >> boy, you are deep. thank you very much. carrying the egg in the spoon. it's going to take me another 15 minutes to absorb that, i know it's going to be time well spent. a lot of this may not be as obvious as it seems right now, that's why we bring in people to help us think through the different machinations we don't see it as. if you live in new york, seattle
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or portland, you see all that anarchy, holy cow? are the lights going off in new york city? no, it was my eyes deceiving me. these three are anarchy jurisdictions. that's what they've just been called by the trump administration. why? what? wtf. trump is trying to use a gimmick to breach the constitutions, he doesn't have the power of the purse. congress says what cities get what money, now he wants to pull it because he says these places are about anarchy, they can't be given money. what? this is a game that they have played before, you know how i know? i know somebody who was there when it was being played. former trump white house insider will tell us what is going on and how badly it stinks next.
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you're never going to have safe areas in those democrat run areas. they're not peaceful protests that's anarchy. >> honestly, i didn't catch the first part of what he said. he was having one of those moments where his mind and mouth weren't working. the idea is impossible to absorb. he's ramping up a narrative through the justice department. that's the key. bill barr is behind these things. the man who's supposed to safeguard our laws, and he is part of labelling three cities, new york, seattle and portland anarchy jurisdictions. ed the administration says how those cities responded to police
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brew taility which was largely peaceful by the way. we all saw what was ugly. we know that's crime, we know it's not protest, we know it's wrong. we know it wasn't the majority, it wasn't 5050, and you know it. however, the doj is playing to fear. that's the campaign, be afraid, the blacks are coming with their kookie white friends. they're going to break down the gates. south god we built the wall at the southern border. the doj is doing something we haven't seen. or have we? they want to pull money from three major cities. just politics, can it be? miles taylor is a senior trump administration official. the suggestion they shake -- don't say it's about politics. it's national security.
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what's your experience with this. >> look at the words the president said, he said democratic run city. he basically gave away his full intention behind doing this. the president of the united states is weaponizing the powers of his office for political purposes. now, the background is, that on september 3rd, just two months for the election, the president issued an executive order on these anarchist cities. that should show you this is a crass political point in the leadup to the election. the president could have done something like this two years ago, three years ago, he chose to do did two months before an election, to paint am democrats as not being consistent with his law and order narrative. we've seen this before. the president tried to get us at the department of homeland security, to cut off homeland security funds through sanctuary cities that harbor immigrants here in the united states. he wanted to do that for
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political purposes. he didn't think those areas of the country supported him, he told us to cut off the money. we did not do that. we did not cut off those funds, do you know why we didn't cut off those funds? that money >> also to add to the point of the obvious political nature. kenosha, wisconsin had trouble also. state of minnesota had pretty ugly incidents there. they're not anarchy cities. i wonder why? maybe because he really needs those who states and something like this may lose them for him. safe assumption? >> absolutely. you need to go further and explore the actual effectiveness. if the president is saying we are cutting off the funds from the places because they are local leaders are not doing enough to protect them. under what theory would you then say and now the federal government is not going to help protect you.
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if the president goal is really to defend all americans and ensure the public safety of americans which is should be because he's the commander in chief. why kit off federal funds that prevent terrorist attacks and mass shooting and ensure law and order. what the president is doing is bott bottom line making americans less safe to prove a political point. recklessness of the highest order. >> doubtful in court he would be successful with this. he doesn't have the power of the purse. congress does. thank you very much for taking us in house and saying you have seen this before and it's as ugly as we think. thank you for the honesty. we'll be right back. by the struts hey mercedes?
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i'm about to make a closing argument i'm often told not to do. don't blame people for anything. this is all about teams. as it is at 9:00 the left has a team and right has a team. you're fighting in the middle. nobody likes a referee. i don't care about that.
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you are better than being pandered to. the conscious ocht collective has to be reawakened. we are stuck in a never ending psych of wtf moments. shocking things. ruth bader ginsburg is gone, now? right before the election? god bless her family. we mourn hr passing. she was special. i'm afraid more dies with ginsburg than an amazing human and judge. we are witnessing epic hypocrisy. the republicans looked you in the eye and said look, nine months out from an election we have to let the people decide. the sitting president now said that to me. he staid. i played it for you earlier. it will be on social media. listen to him. i say you say you don't like congress not doing its job. you don't like games in the
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senate. back in 2016 he says we're too close to the election the people should decide. now what? you're okay with that? you know the answer. blaming mitch mcconnell is easy. he's a symptom. more instructive would be understanding how we got here. democrats were the ones blocking ju tis judicial new mexi judicial nominees in 2005. the nuclear option. remember that? fill bustering judicial nominees. >> we can't filibuster men, women and minorties unfairly. that are qualified. we have to find a solution. >> harry reed the leader of the democrats went there in 2013. listen. >> the changes we made today with apply equally to both parties. and republicans in power the changes will apply to them as
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well. >> he was making the majority all powerful. you know who warned him he would pay for this? mitch mcconnell. >> my friends on the other side of the aisle you'll regret this. and sooner than you think. >> three years later. you know what he did when obama tried to fill a seat in election year. remember what he said. >> the senate will appropriately revisit the matter when it considers the qualification of the nominee. the next president nominates. whoever that might be. >> now at the time he made it an integrity play about you. it was consolidating power of minority. that's what it's been about then, now and for the democrats. always. power. the letter in front of the name is irrelevant. none of them is supposed to
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control the power in the system. you are. now the part i'm not supposed to say. you don't use your power not enough, not in enough places. i'm not saying you don't have good excuses to not trust the system and not be involved. this sh what you get. when you don't vote you have a system where money can beat out masses. they use power. if they're not worried about you what are they worried about. the special interest and insiders approximate deals. we have a larger problem. larger than parliament rules and trump and one seat. either party. it's not just about the swamp. it's the ocean of us that is supposed to flush it clean. with good conscience and voting. we don't do it. republican presidents don't represent the majority of the country. the senators in the majority don't represent the majority.
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look at the examples. of what up the government to do. universal background check. more spending on infrastructure. none of it happens. why? because they play to power and they do not fear you because you don't vote. you know what you can do tonight? vote. time for "cnn tonight." you can open your phone and ask for a ballot. and vote. if you don't like what's happening, vote and things will change. get what you vote for. >> i think you're right about that. you surprised me. i think you're right. there are many people in the country who don't have the perspective of history. and time on the planet. about voting. they think i don't like either of them i'll sit it out. that's not what people fought for the right to