tv Cuomo Prime Time CNN September 22, 2020 10:00pm-11:00pm PDT
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officially endorsed joe biden for the presidency in a series of tweets. quote, my husband john lived by a code, country first. we are republicans, yes, but americans foremost. there is only one candidate in this race that stands up for our values as a nation, and that is joe biden, she wrote. she also wrote although she and biden don't agree on the issues, much like her husband did not, he is a good and honest man and will lead us in dignity. after her appearance in a video at the democratic national convention about the relationship between biden and john mccain. also, after numerous insults lobbed by president trump at her husband, including calling the late senator a loser, something the president has denied doing, but for which there is taped evidence to the contrary. the endorsement also comes as polls give biden a slight edge in the battleground state of arizona, which john mccain represented for more than 30 years. it's been a very busy night. so chris is going to pick things up right now with "cuomo prime time." chris? >> thank you, anderson. i am chris cuomo and welcome to
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"prime time." 200,000 lives lost. third worst loss of life in our history. our sorry for the families' loss and i'm sorry that you had to hear this from your president. >> it affects virtually nobody. it's a -- it's an amazing thing. >> then this "i'll never lie to you" press secretary tells you the death toll has the president awake at night. so worried that he stands maskless in front of a tight crowd again tonight, telling jokes instead of holding maybe a moment of silence for the 200,000 stolen by this pandemic. maybe trying to prevent some of these good people in this crowd who are too close together and without masks from sharing their fate.
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>> they don't like spinning those cameras. [ crowd booing ] they don't like show. they don't like showing. show the crowd. this is -- it's an honor, let me tell you. >> all of you are free to feel any way you want about the media, about each other. i just don't understand why he feels this way about you. i have to show you the crowd. it's not about politics, it's about a public service announcement. this is what not to do in a pandemic. it's an honor for him. i'm sure it is. but it's a great regret for me. i'm so sorry for people that in those clouds whom he is assisting in exposing themselves to something that could make them sick, really sick, or god forbid, worse. why must support for this president be a risk to your health? still worse, this president
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knows that 200,000 lives lost, not to even mention the many, many millions more who were, are and will be sick. so much of this didn't have to happen. >> well, i think it's a shame, but it's a horrible thing. should have never, ever happened. >> he's right. how many of you voting right now who can literally go online, fill out a piece of paper and get a ballot, how many of you will hear those words that we should have never been in this situation the way we are right now and hold this president to account? he is responsible for creating much of the shame in this situation. testing, tracing, masks, distancing, they were always the keys for us and he has always
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stood against them. even tonight. not a word about got to dot masks, got to socially distance, hygiene, hygiene. not a word about need to do better for our kids. kids have to be in school. how? he's never said how. we are failing our kids. you don't need me to tell you. i know you're living it. you are telling me. i'm living it, too. we are failing out kids. they can't test adequately. they can't teach in-person the right way. we are failing them but he gives himself an "a." on this first day of fall, 24 states are falling backwards with new cases rising, 40,000 cases a day, that's an important number for a population our size. it's what experts believe is a rate that just suggests you're trending the wrong way. the president tells you it is what it is. that's because he refuses to do
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anything about it. that's what you say. it is what it is. when you can't change something. the pandemic is not what it is. it is what we make it through our response. now, i'll tell you what's true. he is who he is. he's the same man who told me the day obama nominated merrick garland to the high court in 2016 that as a matter of principle we shouldn't seat the judge because it was too close to the election. >> you say, no, don't do it. wait for the next election. why? you say that washington's broken. they don't do their job enough. they all play games. this is one of those games. if they don't hold hearings. why continue the problem? >> because i think the next president should make the pick, and i think they shouldn't go forward. we don't have a very long distance to wait. certainly they could wait it out very easily, but i think the next president should make the pick. i would be not in favor of going forward.
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>> was he lying then or was he lying now? and, of course, one of our problems collectively is you probably don't care. if you don't like him, you expect him to lie. if you do like him, you expect him to lie. now ginsburg's successor probably will be confirmed before election day. why? because power means more than principle to him and to the republicans who are driving this. they all looked you in the face and said as a matter of principle we have to do this this way. now they're saying -- because they know you don't expect any better. the question is, what does this mean for our well-being politically and practically? we have one of the main senators in this kind of discussion. okay? angus king. independent from maine. respected both sides of the aisle. friends, both sides of the aisle. they look to him as a man of principle and conscience. he's going to have to speak up now.
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senator, thank you for doing so on this show. >> thank you, chris. good to be with you. >> you know, do you disagree with anything i just said? >> no, i'm afraid i can't, and, you know, there are so many ways to attack that, but one of them is senator mcconnell, the president's accomplice in this supreme court issue, waited four months and basically hasn't done anything about another covid relief bill when we've still got people unemployed, people that are beingvicted, small business that are going under, schools that are struggling to try to reopen, nothing on that, and yet all of a sudden we're doing backflips to confirm a judge in a matter of weeks. it's -- it's pretty disappointing, chris. and to go back to the -- to the covid thing, you know, you mentioned -- you keep talking about 200,000 people, but i read a study the other day that said each one of those 200,000 people has an average of nine relatives
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that are affected by this. so you're talking, really, almost 2 million people who have been directly affected by a death from this disease, let alone all the people that have gotten them. they're just -- it's -- it's -- it's a catastrophic failure of leadership. >> what's been your experience in the senate in terms of understanding the "why" here? why they don't want to do more to jump on the pandemic. why they don't want to jump up and down to yell for something to be done for schools. you know, in your state, really, there's no way of pulling anybody out of the equation. everybody is being underserved. >> i want to brag on maine. we have the second lowest infection rate in the country. moody's analytics said we are the highest state in getting back to normal. and it goes back to the issues of how this has been handled. the reason we're in that condition is, number one, maine
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people care about each other and are responsible, but, number two, we had a governor who made some really hard decisions, took a lot of heat, particularly during the summer tourism season, but it's paid off. we're closer to any other state to being back to normal right now and we have the second lowest infection rate in the country. so it's, you know, we've had sort of real-time biology experiments going on in front of our eyes. if you look at the states, by the way, you said 24 states are going up. i just saw figures that said 27 are headed up in terms of infections. our governor made the kinds of decisions that the president should have made last spring and it's worked. now, you ask a tough question, and you really ought to be talking to my republican colleagues about, you know, why they aren't really more aroused and fighting and concerned about this. look, it's no secret.
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donald trump owns his base. they're gonna do what he says. they're gonna follow him. if he tweets and you're a republican senator and he tweets that he doesn't like you or you're not on the team, you're gone. and, you know, ask bob corker, ask jeff flake or mark sanford down in south carolina. i mean, that's the reality. self-preservation is a pretty strong instinct. >> so in terms of what the implications are on the court side. we talked about the pandemic. people are pointing to what is up in terms of what this will mean. and they talk about roe v. wade, but i don't want to talk about that because we understand the politics of it. but the aca is something that it doesn't matter about your politics. >> right. >> you need health insurance. >> chris, the aca argument, the case that the trump administration is supporting to completely wipe out the aca is
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being argued the week after the election. >> november 10th are oral arguments. >> yeah. and here's the -- here's -- here's what's at stake. again, i was just checking the numbers in maine. we have about 150,000 people -- that's more than 10% of our population -- on either the aca exchange or the expanded medicaid. but about half of our people, chris, have pre-existing conditions. and if the aca goes, -- >> he says he's going to do it by executive order, the administration says the president will take care of pre-existing conditions by executive order. do you believe that? >> yeah, don't hold your breath. i don't know how he does that. i don't know how that could possibly stand constitutional challenge as opposed to a statute passed by both houses of congress and signed by the president. they keep talking about taking care of pre-existing conditions. but nothing that the republicans or the president have put forward in the last ten years has covered pre-existing conditions. and if the aca goes, this term of the supreme court, that's
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gonna go, too. and if the president has a health plan that's gonna take care of pre-existing conditions, let's see it. he's been promising this health plan since he ran in 2016. nobody's seen it yet. and, you know, repeal and replace. that's a really great motto, but we've never seen the replace in any serious way that would do anything about the underlying problems of -- of supporting people on health care. so you're right to focus on that because the very first case to come before the supreme court after the election is gonna be the future of the affordable care act. >> customarily, if somebody isn't seated during oral arguments, traditionally, the judges haven't participated in that case, but who knows these days. let me ask you one more thing while i have you, senator -- >> sure. >> the cia assessment, i had rudy giuliani on the show on 9/11. and i asked him about derkach and said, what are you doing hanging out with this guy? you know, it's your client's
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administration that says he's a bad guy, he's not to be respected, he's a propagandist, he's working with russia. and rudy said, yeah, they can say that. he isn't. now, that is one of the main concerns of our intelligence apparatus that if you don't think somebody is on the make, you're very susceptible to them, and sure enough, "the washington post" comes out, and others, with reporting that rudy giuliani could be getting worked by this guy, which is an extension of ongoing russian efforts led by pursuit ton mess wi putin to mess with our election and disadvantage biden. what do you make of that? >> well i don't know anything about what rudy giuliani's relationship is with this guy. >> video together on the end net. >> he was exemptioned by the u.s. treasurely department and mentioned in the election security briefing that we had back in early august, specifically by name, as essentially a russian agent. working on behalf of russia, spreading disinformation on behalf of russia.
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and so, you know, i mean, that's just, you know, facts are stubborn things, they say. >> the president's lawyer is hanging out with a guy that you guys are getting briefed about to see as part of a malevolent act against the united states. you got the president's lawyer calling him a friend? >> hey, my mother used to say, lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas. >> yeah, but when that dog has a hand with the most powerful man in the world, who is considering whether or not to care about this. i mean, we haven't heard anything from the president about it. and the only thing that makes sense to me, senator, last word to you, somebody that somebody's got to be telling him it's not as bad as the rest of us think. >> well, you know, that gets to the question of intelligence and i'm -- my passion is that intelligence has to be given straight, unvarnished without concern for what the president or the national security adviser or the members of congress want to hear.
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they've got to get the straight information. otherwise, you have bad facts and then you make bad decisions. so the president ought to want the unvarnished opinions, but, you know, who knows whether he's getting that. dan coats gave him the straight information and we all know that he's now gone. he was the -- he was the right guy to hold that position. he was an honorable, honest man trying to do his best for the country. when you start shooting the messenger, then the messenger stops giving you the message that you really need to hear. >> or he or she sure does take a beating because the attacks never stop. senator angus king, thank you. good to see you looking well. best to you up in maine. >> always a pleasure. thanks, chris. see you later. >> take care, senator. elections have consequences, no doubt, no doubt, but they shouldn't have foreign interference. as the senator and i were just talking, trump's own former national security adviser, h.r.
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mcmaster, says the president is making it easy for russia to undermine our election. and cia secrets just leaked out about the role putin is playing in that effort. let's take it to peter strzok, the former fbi agent who famously helped launch the russia investigation. next. "cuomo prime time," brought to you by bath fitter. transforming bathrooms for over 35 years. visit bathfitter.com today. with a lifetime warranty. go from old to new. from worn to wow. the beautiful bath you've always wanted, done right, installed by one expert technician, all in one day. we've been creating moments like these for 35 years, and we're here to help you get started. book your free virtual or in-home design consultation today.
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the warning bells, they're going off. they're being leaked. their sound to us. they're being overtly -- we're being told to listen louder and louder. and yet we've all grown deaf. i'm talking about russia attacking our election. we know more about it now than we ever have before. seems more obvious. more pernicious. and more potentially effective than ever. what do we get told by trump administration intelligence folks? they want to help trump and hurt joe biden. divide and distract us. boy, are we ripe for the picking, aren't we? if you wanted to come at us, now is the time. we've heard this before, but not like this, and you know what? moscow is counting on your apathy. that's what we're being told. this time "the washington post" says it's the cia saying vladimir putin and the senior
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most russian officials are aware of and probably directing russia's influence operations aimed at denigrating the former u.s. vice president, supporting the u.s. president and fueling public discord. boy, we're making it easy, aren't we? at mitt it. y admit it. you have questions about the election security. the president keeps saying it's going to be rigged. the people around him say balloting is rife with fraud. they have no proof. they're doing russia's work for them. boy, are we easy pickings. the warning bells, remember, are coming from trump's own people. we've seen the warnings from the director of national intelligence and the treasury department. apparently the nsa, cia, fbi, all say this is coming directly from putin. trump's own fbi director told congress this. >> we certainly have seen very
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active -- very active efforts by the russians to influence our election in 2020, and i think the intelligence community has -- has assessed this publicly, to -- primarily to denigrate vice president biden. >> now, you'll hear trumpets say, oh, yeah, but china does it, north korea does it. no, not like this. not now. now, this president attacked his own guy. remember, trump's own administration issues sanctions against the guy that you just saw with rudy giuliani. andrii derkach, for running what they call a covert influence campaign. the very influence campaign that this president personally amplified on his twitter feed. the same campaign that his personal lawyer, rudy giuliani, refuses to acknowledge. i asked about this with him just last week. listen to what he said.
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>> you know our government sees andrii derkach as a guy who should not be respected or trusted and that they think he's a propagandist and an operative for the russians. >> that's okay. they can see him that way. he is not. >> how susceptible is the president's attorney to someone who he refuses to see as on the make? i mean, this is mind-blowing. the president's intelligence apparatus says watch out for this guy and the president's guy says, nah, i'm okay with it. and they're saying, well, he's working you and you're putting out exactly what he wants you to put out to attack biden and he says, yeah, no, i'm okay with it. crazy. former chief of the fbi's counterespionage section is peter strzok. his new book is called "compromised." boy, you talk about apropos.
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i mean, peter, thank you for being on the show. how do you get more compromised than the president's own lawyer says the guy that is feeding him stuff one way or another, at a minimum he is parroting. he says, nah, i don't buy it. i think he's a good guy. how much more compromised do you get than that? >> chris, it's staggering. and, look, thanks for having me back. i think we have grown across the board to outrage, but take a step back. we're talking about russia. this is the one nation on earth that has enough nuclear weapons pointed at us to wipe us off the face of the planet. and that government is actively involved right now, and their head of that government, vladimir putin, working as we speak to get donald trump re-elected. and we know that because his own administration is telling us that. whether it's the head of his -- the counterintelligence group, the director of national intelligence, whether it's the director of the fbi and the clip
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you just heard. these aren't partisans. these are people appointed by the president who are apolitical in nature who are telling us right here and right now from the top, from vladimir putin, he is trying to get trump re-elected just like he did in 2016. >> so what do you say -- >> how can that be okay to anyone? >> so what do you say to people, you know, pete, yeah, i heard this already. this is what they do. we probably do it to them and, you know, it is what it is, to use the terrible expression of the moment. what do you say to them? >> yeah, well, two things. first, we are defined as a democracy that at our core, electing our head of state, our representatives. we don't have a king. we don't have a dictator. we don't have a authoritarian. we go every four years and choose who we, the american people, want to lead us. we don't have the russians or the chinese or the british or the canadians or anyone else doing it. that's our business and it's been our business since 1776. second, is isn't just so what.
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look what the russians stand for. they're putting bounties on the heads of american soldiers in afghanistan. they're trying to assassinate domestic dissidents with nerve agents, again, probably directed by putin. time and time again, they are doing things that are contrary to american interests and there is nothing but silence coming out of this administration. some claim, well, i didn't know about it. you just had rudy giuliani, i didn't know. well, you know now. if you're the president and you didn't read a pdb about those russian bounties in february, you know now. what are you doing about it? what's the response? and i can't explain it. >> and -- but so many in this country will take comfort in the fact that he hasn't said anything. can't be that big a deal. how can they affect our democracy anyway? unless they hack into the vote counts somehow, which aren't really automated in places. it's mostly done by hand. they can't really do anything. there's tons of bs on the internet. we all have to look at it with a jaundiced eye.
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>> well, i think there are a couple of things. certainly looking domestically, there are all kinds of things we know they did. they were probing every single state, the voting infrastructure. it's become public now several states said, yes, in fact, we were targeted and they were successful. they got into our systems. they are absolutely doing the same thing now and if any one of these systems -- we're ed heing into an election where it's as partisan as it's ever been, facing the prospect of a contested election, depending on mail-in voting. if it's a close election, we may not know who the winner is on election night. into that environment nat is a societal powder keg is a playground for russian disinformation. i'm really worried given that what they've done in the past they're absolutely primed and ready to take advantage of that right now. >> you know, scary thought is that i wonder -- we know why trump wouldn't say anything. he wouldn't say anything because this is good for him. and the question is, i wonder if all the people who are following him that are, you know, so big with the american flag and love of country and patriots, would they go soft or turn a deaf ear
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to what russia is trying to do to our democracy because they think, well, even if they are, it can only help trump? weird times. peter, thank you for giving us -- i'll give you the last word. go ahead. >> no, i was gonna say i served with the men and women in the military that i served with in the army, they are the sons and daughters of those people who are large trump supporters. so you need to ask yourself, somebody that something that you're okay with, that this foreign adversary who is targeting those service men, that's okay? that's not okay, chris. it's not acceptable and it nevr will be. >> peter, i appreciate the context and i will need you again and soon, i expect. be well until then. >> chris, thanks so much, chris. >> all right. listen, can't say it enough. 200,000 lives stolen by covid. shouldn't happen. all those families, friends, co-workers who lost somebody, all that opportunity, all that human potential gone. how are we not doing all we know we can to save lives? look at our schools. we all say we care about the
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kids, right? why is our president -- why is the administration, why are they so quiet on how badly we're failing our kids in schools? well, he said they should go back to school. so what? how? they can't test enough. they're not testing the right way. they don't know how to contact trace. if they get a case, no matter what the context of the positive is, they close down schools. and so what do you think's gonna happen? when it swings one way, it swings another, right? reaction, formation. so now you got a place in missouri swinging the other way. uh, yeah, i know you were exposed to somebody with covid but go to class. enough with this quarantine thing. let's get back to school. what? a parent and doctor, sanjay gupta, chief doctor and a concerned parent weigh the plus/minus factors here next. pl, there's so much to take advantage of. like $0 copays on virtual visits... ♪ wow ♪ uh-huh $0 copays on primary care visits and lab tests.
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you can't be satisfied with what's happening in so many of our schools. hey, look, if in your community kids are back to school, god bless. i hope they're testing and monitoring and doing what you can at home to stay healthy and i hope it stays that way, but so many of the rest of us are compromise. how do we do better by schools, get more open, more kids in there and keep them that way? no easy answer but there are ways, certainly better than what we're doing now. especially as more schools are finding that just a single positive case can force the whole school to shut down or at a minimum a whole pod, a whole thing. some southwest missouri school districts are trying to navigate this in a different way now. i call this reaction formation. this is what happens when you have a bad situation, people start doing bad things in response. to allow students who have been exposed to covid to continue going to class and playing sports. the catch, they say, is the students have to keep their
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masks on and stay socially distant. their reasons for it are not irrational. there are real concerns here. you don't know that being exposed to somebody with covid, you don't know what degree of virus the person that has it. are they contiguous? are they not? will you get it? will you not? what are the chances? not so great. but what we know for sure is every day you're not in school is education lost. too many kids are missing school. nutrition, a lot of these kids go to school not just to learn, but to eat, to survive, and we know being out of school can have an impact on mental health. for some, it's a refuge from abuse. this is complicated. we need our schools. and now just days into these changes, one district has had to reverse course, why? well, not because of new cases, but in a notice to parents, one superintendent said what started out as a quiet effort to determine if we could keep students in school without
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having a spike in positive cases became a political issue. now the superintendent -- i invite him on the show. why? sympathetic to his cause. understand why he's desperate to find a more safe way. then he says, no, i'm cancelling. why? we're really conservative here. i thought you just didn't like it being politicized. i see them as sympathetic. i see schools like that as desperate for better answers. and he's gonna play politics? here's one thing that's clear. despite that posture, i will advocate their cause. we need to do better by that school and others so that superintendents don't have to make decisions like that. brandy long is a parent of three kids who attend schools in that school district. and, of course, dr. gupta, friend to all. thank you for both. first, just to get the medicine here straight, doc, the idea of, well, you're in contact with somebody who has covid, but as long as you wear a mask and socially distance, you can still be around us. how safe is that?
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>> that's not the right answer, chris. unfortunately, you know, if you've been exposed, you know, and now say even if you get tested. testing's a big part of this, but even if you get tested to a period of time, there is a concern that you may actually have the infection. and, you know, they -- the quarantine time -- people discuss this and i think the -- the outer limit is sort of 14 days, but typically if people have been exposed, if they're going to develop symptoms, going to test positive typically happens within five or six days or so but, you know, you have to treat that, you know, with a degree of care. if you've had a known exposure to somebody, you've got to assume, at least for a period of time, you're going to have to quarantine yourself so you don't subsequently pass the virus on to others. that's how outbreaks really start to worsen. >> so, brandy, you and i and actually sanjay are in a similar boat. you got three kids in the district. got a freshman in high school. good luck with that.
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you got a fourth grading doing virtual and you've got a first grader whom you are home schooling. so you're really spreading the risk across all the kinds of concerns. what's your concern as school in terms of freshman. how much they can test. how they're treating the kids. how confident they seem in their ability to control the virus. >> we're not testing. i mean, kids are getting tested, but tests are hard to come by. i think if we had better testing, the contact tracing could be minimal because we could test the kids and then they could stay home. if they were positive. and go back to school if they're negative. >> what did you think about this reaction from the superintendent that, look, you know, this is crazy. we can't monitor this the right way so let's err on the side of having kids in school because they need it? >> i don't agree. i don't agree that we should send sick kids to school. i think parents should be responsible for their children.
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and when my kid gets sick with covid, i want to be the one sitting next to them. i don't want it to be a nurse or one of my teacher friends or any teacher. i want it to be me who is responsible for my children. >> you said you have a friend whose a teacher. >> i have lots of friends that are teachers. >> heightened your concern, they're vulnerable, not being protected, they're not being given information or the ability to get information. what are your concerns there? >> the school is doing the best they can do, but they are not giving us enough information so that we can make educated choices about what we do as parents, what we do as teachers. i volunteer hundreds of hours a year to our schools, which i'm not able to do this year because of covid. so, you know, they -- they need to let anybody help that wants to help. really. >> you know, sanjay, we know a lot of brandies, parents who are trying to do the best by their kids. in schools -- >> yeah. >> -- that have just been left
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on their own. the states don't have the data that the cdc does. they don't have the testing capacity to give these schools. they're not even really using tests that work practically in schools, right? the pcr tests at so many cycles. they give you positives, you don't know if they're contiguous or not. they take a long time to turn around. is there any indication at the federal level you're hearing of them trying to do something else, trying to do better. >> well, you know, first of all, i totally sympathize. i have three kids, too, and we went through this whole decision matrix, brandy. it's not easy. every family out there has sort of been left to become their own amateur epidemiologist in all of this. there isn't a national strategy, which is -- which is part of the -- the challenge here. there were these gating criteria. you remember, this is when you should open schools and there were specific criteria. you want to make sure that the viral, you know, the viral spread in your community was coming down. why? because if it was coming down and when it came down 14 days in a row then your chances of
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actually coming in contact with somebody who has the virus was going to be significantly, if not exponentially lower. if the positivity rate was low, that meant that you were testing enough in your community and that you were catching enough. so you can see there, what is the sort of red zone? that's on the -- on the right side of the screen. greater than 200 cases out of 100,000 in the last 14 days. greater than 10% positivity. brandy, i did look at your particular community. and, you know, again, i know these are tough decisions, but you guys are sort of in that higher to highest category right now. >> right. >> which i'm sure is may be something you've considered, but it does make the likelihood of coming into contact with somebody with the virus much higher. that's the concern. look at the the schools, see what they're doing in terms of handwashing and masking and physical distancing, which is really hard. >> especially with little kids. >> especially with little kids is right. try to get a little kid to put a wiser o
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ivi the frustration is we should put the chart up there. it assumes people are getting tested. brandy you just said something that is so true for so many. your school isn't doing regular testing. people can do tests, but you've got to get them yourself. >> right. >> when you know they don't have a testing protocol, how do you deal with that? >> we just do our best. i'm a very concerned parent so i stay on top of as much as i can. guy to the board meetings and try to be included in everything so i know what's going on. >> you know what's not going on, right? >> correct. >> we're testing regularly, you know that's not true. >> that is correct. >> well, look, sanjay and i have said this to too so many people and we're going to say it to a lot more. good luck going forward. let us know if we can help. >> yeah. >> thank you for telling us the truth about what's going on where you are because you care
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about your kids and their friends and their kids as well. so i wish you well and thank you and i hope things get better. >> thank you for having me. >> all right, brandy long, thank you very much. doc, as always, you're a blessing. thank you. and the president gives himself an "a." missouri can't test, the superintendent has to make this, you know, really whacked decision to have kids who have been exposed to covid come back. why? because he doesn't have any better option. nobody's giving them better options. and the president gives himself an "a." a coronavirus task force member resigned over concerns with this administration's response. and now the white house is rolling out aides to attack her. a highly decorated general. my next guest says he knows what general kellogg said today about olivia troye is not true. why? because he was in the white house -- i'll let him tell the story. you have to listen to miles taylor on how he knows what you were told today is bs. next.
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conduct our politics, okay? it has to. i know both sides do things you don't like. i know you expect nothing, but we have to start expecting better and account for a certain standard. otherwise this is gonna be toxic for all of us all the time. it's not okay that the white house is going all-out to attack a former adviser to the coronavirus task force. today, kayleigh "i'll never lie to you" mcelhinney pulled out a retired general to go after olivia troye. >> i'm keith kellogg. olivia troye worked for me. i fired her. the reason i fired her is because her performance started to drop after six months on the task force as a back bencher. she was responsible for coordinating meetings, bringing people together, and when the performance left dropped off, i went to the vice president of the united states and recommended that she leave.
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i'm the one who escorted her off the compound. >> now, he seems pretty dead serious, right? you know, looking at his pedigree, looking at his bearing, seems like he's telling you the truth, right? how do you explain troye post from instagram on her last day that shows a different relationship with kellogg? love this man. we had a great day. today. a great heart-to-heart today. such a neat coin. we've been through a lot together on this national security team. we just so happen to have a guy with firsthand knowledge of the administrati situation inside the administration. he's the former chief of staff for trump's dhs. he is miles taylor. welcome back to "prime time." is the general telling the truth? >> look, chris, this is a microcosm of this entire administration. the president lies. his lieutenants lie. and he gets people to sully their own good name by lying about things that are clearly
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very, very clearly and patently true, and he'll get them to say that they're false. and, look, i'll tell you why i know a lot about the olivia troye saga. i referred olivia troye to the vice president. i referred her for her job as homeland security adviser to the vice president. the vice president himself personally told me she was doing incredible work and thanked me for referring her to his staff. this year, keith kellogg, thanked me in a glowing, gushing review in the vice president's office. he said that he was so floored with the job olivia troye was doing. today he went out there and he said he fired her with cause. that she'd been performing poorly. that he had terminated her from the job. all of these things are provably false. like you said, he is a retired lieutenant general, who was trotted out by the white house, to say this. but, chris, i'm going to tell you why this happened. i'm going to at least tell you
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why i suppose this happened. if i was a comes professional in this white house, a communications professional, in this white house, i would have said it is not worth going out to say these things. let the story die. i think i know why the story didn't die. the president of the united states likely said to his communications team that he was so frustrated that so many insiders are speaking out against them, i wouldn't be shocked if he ordered them to go out there and do this. and they willingly followed his lead. but i want to tell you, chris, it's not just the vice president that's now lied about this. and kayleigh that's now lied about this. and keith kellogg, that's now lied about this. the president, himself, told multiple lies about olivia troy. just the other day, he said she was low level. she wasn't. she was his top adviser on terrorist attacks and pandemics. >> he desikind of described her if she was an administrative assistant. you know, for sure, that's not true?
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>> that's not true because she was in a very senior job to the vice president of the united states. we -- would you want a back-bencher, a back-bencher, to be the vice president's top adviser on major crises? would anyone want that? of course, she wasn't. she was a top adviser with the vice president. and of course, she is cited in her testimonials, meetings with the president where she met him in person. the president lied and said he'd never met her. that was false. i mean, as olivia demonstrated, she's been in the room when the president said he is happy that covid happened so he doesn't have to shake the hands of, quote, his disgusting supporters. that is stunning to me and it shows you where this president's priorities are and he's continued to lie about olivia troy saying she was terminated. she wasn't terminated from her job. she left on her own accord. in fact, i will tell you this. people like olivia are normally sent to the white house for a one-year detail. they extended her to a second year and beyond because they were so happy with her performance.
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and the vice president said he wanted to extend her further. but usual,s has been lie on top lie on top of lie in this dmi . administration. and this shows you they are prioritizing politics over pandemic response. >> kellogg was on with wolf. why? why didn't he say it then? and if you fired her, let's see the paperwork. let's see the paperwork. fired is not a word. it's an action. so where is it? where is it? that's an easy line. >> i agree, chris. where -- where is the paperwork? and not only that. if there's not paperwork and these people went out to the microphone, and they said that she was fired with cause and that she was a bad employee. i don't know the law. i'm not a lawyer. >> i do. what's your question? >> of course. it's inherently defamatory. it is defamatory per se. there are two categories. per se and per quad. per quadis where it means to this point, which means you have to show that there is a point of
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damage that it hurt you. but there's certain categories. some of them are antiquated. some of them aren't. where per se is all i have to prove is that you said it and the damage is assumed. one of them is you're terrible at your job, you're bad in business. so this fits one of the categories. let's see what proof they have. myles taylor, you make a compelling case and i appreciate you doing it here. >> thanks, chris. >> all right. now, look, you're going to have to decide for yourself. but if this is what they're doing to somebody who did the right thing by them, what does it mean for you? we'll be right back. if you're at home thinking about your financial plan... so are we. prudential helps 1 in 7 americans with their financial needs. that's over 25 million people. with over 90 years of investment experience, our thousands of financial professionals can help with secure video chat or on the phone. we make it easy for you with online tools, e-signatures, and no-medical-exam life insurance.
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bolo. be on the lookout for president trump's health care plan. remember, bolo means be on the lookout. this is a plan that he's been promising you for years. the one he always says is almost ready but we've never seen it. >> we will be announcing that in about two months. maybe less. >> you've been in office three
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years. >> we haven't had -- excuse me. you heard me yesterday. we're signing a health care plan, within two weeks. i have it all ready. and it's a much better plan for you, and it's a much better plan. >> now, his press secretary is in on it, too. >> it certainly does exist. the president, in the next week or so, will be laying out his vision for health care. >> his vision. remember, kayleigh mcenany. the woman who said this in her first white house briefing. >> i will never lie to you. you have my word on that. >> so much for her word, right? boy, do people change. boy, do they change. maybe, it will come out in two weeks. it doesn't take much to pass that test, right? it could be like three pages of intentions. but that's where the second part of this be onthe lookout, this bolo, comes in. if it does come out, you got to take a really close look at it because it's going to matter. if he seats this judge, november
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10th they have this case on the aca. if those judges don't find severability, meaning that this law can have pieces of it taken out but the rest remain. if he gets what he wants, which is getting rid of obamacare, that's the easy part. as my pop used to say, any jackass can kick down a barn but it takes a good man or woman to build one. what will it mean for the 21 million who could lose their health insurance? or the people with pre-existing covids -- conditions, sorry -- covid is a pre-existing condition. be on the lookout. d. lemon. "cnn tonight." right now. he is on the lookout. >> i'm looking. no, no, i'm looking for the president's health care plan. i wish i had a magnifying glass or a compass or a map. maybe, it's like a pokemon thing that you have to look for it. like, where is it? d
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