one of the officers have been shot during tonight's protest after the grand jury's verdict of breonna taylor. >> reporter: we are trying to get more information of the officer that's been shot. the police have been set up here and most of the protesters out here have disperse. about 20 minutes or so, we were walking of the overpasses. a large group of demonstrators of a couple hundreds, we heard of what sounded like fireworks and second after that, we heard gunfire and everyone started running. police moved in, almost just quickly. most of the crowd disperse. at this point, we are minutes

away from the cure ffew. i heard one of the organizers out here who are out here and left, he simply said look -- the church near by, a private property, we want you to get off the street. a tragic end to a night where we see small fires being lit and damage being made to a building anderson. >> thank you, our coverage cons with chris cuomo in "primetime." thank you, we are monitoring the coverage. protests on the street of louisville after a grand jury brought down an indictment, i am chris cuomo. nothing to do with breonna's killing. thas t is that the right call legally?

i will take you through it, it is not simple. it is simple politically. it is unsatisfying for many. a curfew is starting right now. we know terrible news. a police officer has been shot tonight. one of the circumstances who did it, we are working on that. we pray they are okay. we'll try to get you the information. here is what's not in question. violence only makes everything worse. and, look, that's where we are. it has to be said, it is one more thing that should be so obvious and yet it is a divided principle right now. let alone the men and women that we trust to pregnaotect us. one more thing should be obvious. nothing made better on these streets if the people we have in power were supposed to calm or create change stay silent. >> that makes us ask why did the

president refused to address the need to come to kentucky when he was asked. why did he choose to celebrate the prosecutor and the grand jury's determination but say nothing for those processing pain and outrage. it is not easy to accept why the police were justified and not just shooting but killing a non shooter. breonna was an innocent third party by all accounts. here we are once again, streets filled with people who are outraged, who don't understand. who needs counseled and needs guidance. in the about densence of that, have concerns of what happens next. it is not just coming from me. it is a word of caution from the legend live righcivil rights er.

>> we are smart enough not to turn our anguish and anger into disruption. turn pain to power. >> violence will help trump's cause. you know who believes that? trump helps him with the base of what he's constantly scaring. "friends on fox," it is not a move movement, it is a boogie man. they struggle to say breonna correctly. blame the outrage for their own pain. the hotter the better, trump gets it. that's why he's refusing to rule out if he loses the election in six weeks, there will be a peaceful transfer of power.

>> there has been writing in many cities across the country. will you commit there will be a peaceful transfer of power after the election? >> we'll have to see what happens. i have been complained strongly about the ballots and it is a disaster. >> people are rioting. do you commit to make sure there is a peaceful transfer? >> we'll get rid of the ballots. there won't be a transfer, there will be a helicoptcontinuation. the ballots are out of control. >> brothers and sisters, this is not okay. >> we have to see what happens? get rid of all the ballots, a legitimacy of our democracy. it is pathetic and every

republican in waushington who says what matters to him or her should be calling it out. that's destructive to remaining a republican. they know it. none of these. these are the days that will be recorded in history. how do you want to be remembered? what you ignored, you empower. what's less obvious is not what trump is doing. it is what happens in this case. the grand jury reckoning in the taylor's case. it is not easy. here is why. well, it assumes a focus on what happens after the cops enter in the middle of the night. it has to start with why did they go there? it is not just about the instant case. it is about the circumstances and what it means in terms of policing. police stormed breonna's home not for anyone reason involving her but looking for someone

else. her ex-boyfriend is the suspected drug dealer. was it a no knock warrant that just barged in. if so, how did they get it? how good was this efficienceffi? did they announce or not? her boyfriend, kenneth walker, said he did not hear them. someone else said they did and others said they did. where does it leave us? walker said he thought it was the same drug dealer they were looking for who used to date breonna taylor. a cop was hit horrible, officer mattingly, by whom? by walker? bl ballistics makes it unclear. breonna was not fired. she was not seen in any way threatened and she didn't have a weapon. she was shot and killed by

police. the three charges for firing officer brett hankinson are for wanton endangerment. taylor's apartment had gunfire coming at them. so it was reasonable but it was reasonable to shoot an innocent third party under the law? kentucky's attorney general says the two officers fired shots were justify because their use of force were okay because taylor's boyfriend fired at them first. if you get fired at is okay to kill anybody else that had nothing to do with it? that's okay.

and at the grand jury level, that's something that has to go before a jury? what does it mean? the first instance we have to deal with is what's going on in the streets and what may have happened to this police officer tonight. we have report of a shooting. let's go to the ground in louisville with shimon prokupecz, what do you know of the shooting? >> reporter: one of the officers had been shot. it happened behind me here that's why police here closed off the road. we were follow ing protesters when we heard fireworks and moments later we can hear the gunshots and people running. the entire episode have been captured by the police department on their live stream and facebook page. here is what it sounded like at that moment.

>> shots fired? >> gun? >> an officer down. >> right there. officer down. >> streets of america in the year 2020. shimon, listen, obviously that does not help us understand anything other than the general context of there is chaos going on under there. we'll have to find out see if the video shows who may have been involved or what else may happen. stay safe and keep the team safe as soon as you tell me to, other than that, be safe. >> reporter: thank you.

we have a president whose only concerns is his own political benefit. why do i say it? do you hear him? have you heard him? the midst of what happens in the streets? have you heard him do anything? he's the one person that all should look to make things better in situations like that. let's discuss how we do it in his absence. let's bring in van jones and scott jennings. gentlemen, both of you, thank you for being here. scott, this is complicated legally. i know some people are not going to like me saying that. before the event and during the event and obviously this process after the event, why were they there and the efficiency of the warrant and what is it about policing? they are the hardest part. i get it, some body shot them.

what bullet hit mattingly but walker said he shot. that would give the officer a reasonable suspicion of a potential injury to fire back. why is it okay a grand jury gets to determine it is also okay to kill an innocent third person? >> grand jury in kentucky are independent bodies. grand juries are independent bodies and they make their own decisions. the point you make about who shot the officers is not in question. the ballistics were clear, it was the shot that walker fired. it was a 9-milliliter. >> that's not my understanding of the evidence. you have not seen it. >> chris, i think it is important that you get it right because the attorney general talked about it today and the

ballistics and the bullets are not in question. >> hold on, scott. >> it is notes t the crux of th issue. >> yes, breonna's family is not the crux of the issue. you have not seen the ballistics and i have not. walker's attorney has seen the ballistics, he says they are unclear in their determination. i know what the prosecutor said, you say in a grand jury is an independent body, i hope it is always an independent body. a prosecutor never gets the design of finding by a grand jury, was it defense council in the room? does anybody else presents any evidence? hence, the expression you can indict a ham sandwich. this is the prosecutor's tool, we know it is an independent

body. for him to decide through a grand jury, there is no reason to go to a grand jury, they are justified, van jones, not only should they return fire because they were being fired upon. it is okay that they shot and killed an innocent third party. that go to a jury, it certainly would. we are not police officers. i don't hear van. >> can you hear me? it is a case of bad policy and bad policing and bad prosecution. the policy of no knock in the first place is suspected. it led to so many people being killed. the policy is terrible and policing, they spray this place with breullets, they have other

responsibilities. once she's shot, it is 20 minutes before she's given any attention at all. remember the eight minutes with george floyd, can you imagine 20? then the police are engaging in cover up behavior, that's criminal and that's not prosecuted. you have so much wrong doing, the policy is terrible. policing is terrible. the prosecutors can come in and find a way forward here and instead basically just punts. the things we are not talking about enough, if someone kicks in your door tonight and said nothing but they had guns, you have the right to defend yourself unless you are black. everybody can stand their ground unless you are black. everybody has the second amendment right. if you are black and you defend yourself and your girlfriend, you are on trial and she's dead and the cops get away with it and you wonder why people are upset. this is why.

a violence from the left is unacceptable. we don't want lawlessly from the police department. we got too much lawlessness and too many people getting shot and too many funerals. we need calm this thing down. we need leadership on both sides to get it out. this is a disaster catastrophe. >> it is indispute whether or not this is executed of no warrant. they had a witness that said he heard them knock and say "it was the police." others interviewed not hearing anything. walker says he did not hear anything. is it influential? it should be. walker is the one that shot back

and may have hit a cop and certainly by shooting bears some type of guilt about what happened to his girlfriend. for him to say what he heard or didn't hear, you have to take it under advise. with that being unclear under the record, scott, what's your take of van's point of how this is being proceed. >> i agree with van. this is a tragedy. a life was loss. she should not have been killed or shot. i think there is significant question of the warrant and how it is served and it is now being looked at by the fbi. as van pointed out and others have said today, if somebody comes to your house in the middle of the night and unclear who it is and you may have reason they are hostile, you can see how walker was put into extremely terrible position here. i agree with many of the things van says.

i am in louisville by the way. the anguish israel. some of the topics you raised about the warrant is going to be sorted out. >> scott,ballistics, i am happyo clarify it for people. i am just going on what walker had said through his attorney and his attorney who has said he observed these documents. i have no reason to believe he's app lying. i am happy to clarify it through first person reporting. let me know. now we get to the macro issue here. why is the president saying what you guys are saying right now? we have one leader, he's only

given voice to warn white people of more of this happening unless he stays president, are you okay with that? >> no, i am not. i agree with van. anybody in a position of leadership from the president to an attorney general or a governor or a mayor, anybody in any city or jurisdiction has the responsibility to say the things we want them to say when is to calm the nation, calm their jurisdiction to say violence should not be getting other violence. when someone dies is a tragedy no matter how the investigation turns out. it is a tragedy to understand and empathize and reflect the emotions of our community and nation. when he does not do that, it is a failure. at the same time he believes the attorney general of kentucky, he gave voice to it today. there are two things you have to do. you can support that and that's good. you have to reflect and

internalize the hurt of the american people and the people of louisville and other cities about this. he needs to do it. >> why does he then? >> i don't know why he doesn't. he really need to especially on this one. i don't think people will understand -- black women across this country, they gravitate to this case because too often frankly the whole system comes down on women because of their boyfriend. how many women are serving time because their boyfriend had something in their car or boyfriend this and boyfriend that. black women get treated worse than anybody else and there is no justice. most of our movement are about the brothers and the brothers this and black man that. the women are left out and abused by the system. black women across the country is saying not this time. we are not going to let it

happen anymore. the nba came and this became across-celeb, black women fighting through the cause of this case. for this outcome of people being spat in the face by the prosecutors. there is something that can be charged here. all these bloats fie bullets an charges. on this one he needs to speak. as you can talk about everything else, an innocent woman shot down her own house with no recourse or criminal justice system, that should offend everybody in the country especially given the amount of passion shown and tenacity been shown by black women. >> van, scott, thank you very much. i appreciate you both. we'll take a break and we'll

bring in our key components here. the lawyer for breonna taylor's family. the attorney i was talking about before. mr. walker's attorney has had access to certain parts of police body. we have someone who understands forensics in this situation and can speak to what matters here in terms of facts and laws and policies. next. ♪

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fired. this is perfect for us to understand. first, council baker, what ises the family reaction to this? do they understand what a black attorney general said made sense in this case? >> they understand but it does not make sense. i can't help make sense of it because the logic does not make legal sense. you can't say that brett hankinson endangering three neighbors but that same did not apply to breonna. and so it was also disappointing that daniel cameron did not have the courage to tell her that the three-count had nothing do wo

with the death of breonna. i had to break the news to her. they are upset, justifiably. we question any charges against breonna taylor were present ds to the grand jury today. >> a couple of questions of law and one of fact. is the attorney general under any type of duty? is the grand jury allowed to be interviewed. >> they are allowed to interview. let's be transparent about it and let's see what they present. i can guarantee you they did not present any homicide charges

under the cops. in brett hankinson wandered and endanger her neighbors. he endanger ds hed her as well recklessly firing at her apartment. >> it created a different circumstances than taylor's apartment than the other ones. while he was reckless to fire in other apartments because they rereceir received fire. it was not actionable by law. >> you are not allowed to rely on the justification of self-defense when you recklessly killed the third party. you are permitted to use family force against them.

>> is it different for police? > >> no. that's the whole thing. somehow we created this artificial that ordinary citizens do not. that's not the daicase. self-defense law applies to everyone. it does not apply when you recklessly killed a third party who did not put your life in danger. >> lonita, i am coming back to you. i was having a discussion in the segment before where one of the guests said well, the ag was clear. the blallistics were clear. %-pd not determine mattingly was shot by walker's gun.

that inconclusive determination that attorney general cameron relied on, he tried to implicate ken kenny walker. what he also said was we know walker fired the 9-millimeters and the police using 4 caliber. >> brett hankison is issued a nine millimeters. release the entire and we'll see who's telling the truth. if scott jennings knows him, call him up tonight. >> i offer the same. you have kcontact down there. it is not for me to disclose what he's doing or not.

putting out there, i am happy to be the first person to put a set of eyes on it. i will put it on tv so you can tell yourself. council baker, what happens? people are frustrated. you put it perfectly. they understand what they're being told. they're not stupid. under the law they understand it or common sense so now they take it to the streets and people are angry and they feel humiliated and they feel this case counts on its own but oalso proxy to s many others. how did the taylor's family process its own grief and tell everybody else to be calm. >> right now they're dealing with this. we need protesters can stay safe so they can use their voices at the ballot box.

this is where it shows elections are important. pros coo prosecu prosecutors are very important. we tactlked about kenny walker fired one shot. how do you justify that? we need people to stay safe so we can continue to exercise our voice and protest. we got to turn that protest into power and change the law. >> just to pick up one point, i know it has been a long night. you have a long way to go. it is unusual for a prosecutor to determine that level of justification in a grand jury. whether or not it was probable cause which is the grand jury starnds that a crime is committed. you can indict a ham sandwich

>> the idea was this is the sufficient shooting you would think it would go to a jury. >> counsels, we'll talk again. i want to be fair and understand the facts. anything i can be given that helps people to understand the situation, i will process it and i will always prostatectomy source. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> all right, look, now you have an idea of the law and you get why it is so prus straigfrustra. this is a national problem. let's look more into the intricate si of why a grand jury making the determination id dt .

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breonna taylor, mr. attorney general, you are welcome to come on the show. the governor, welcome to come on the show. please release the entire file. this is all about people having clarity and clarity gives confidence. let us see what the ballistics show and how many you did, is it true? >> we hear that they knocked, but who was knocking? is it true that the person you interviewed who went to a grand jury and said police said no the first time you asked him about it. please, release the information.

the more is out there, the more people can get their minds around even something they don't like as an outcome. tonight we are monitoring the fall-out. one police officer shot and wounded. it is against everything we are suppose to be about is society. we are working to understand the it. let's bring in joey jackson and laura coates. you heard me asked for the file to come out. laura coates, relevant, if i seem like i am doing a little too macro on this but blow it up. i am upset and another thing

somebody reading it all in a piece of paper. this should not be difficult to determine, right? in a ballistic report whether or not they know where the bullet came from that hit officer mattingly. >> giving they have all the information and had 190 plus days the figure it out and you have an officer who's fired months ago, the officer who's now charged. the police chief was able to come to some conclusion about the case at this point in time. all these mathew knoonths later still finding out. imagine breonna been told she had been converted to collateral damage. it does not matter as long as he justify the use of force by the officers. we don't know if they presented that or told the grand jury's argument in favor of the person.

the officer is using reasonable amount of force or the others. the officers who oppose a threat to life has been charged but those two took a life have walked away. that's hard to reconcile for the greatest minds. >> people were saying, they had to justify and fire back. >> let's back this up. when you look at a grand jury, i think everyone should be clear on the standards. we are not talking about a body that reconvenes that has to make unanimous decisions. we are talking about a body that votes and they have to buy a majority. we are talking about a body that's not talking about who's the guilty or beyond a reasonable doubt. we are talking about reasonable cause to believe if a crime is committed.

in addition what you just said about a grand jury indicted a ham sandwich. what happens here? grand jury is controlled by the prosecutors and they generally reach outcomes across prosecutors advance on them and once they talk to them they recommend advice. what's put before them? what information did they have? we talk about the issue of what the conflict with respect, did the police identify themselves? you heard the attorney general say one did. what about the other problem. what those people presented before the grand jury or were they not presented? we can debate night and day, was the force a succession? these are determinations that jurors make everyday in this country. if we allow a prosecutor to

present it to a grand jury and they get it indicted, then you can have a jury in a jury room, rendering verdicts having these arguments. it go es to the issue of accountab accountability. that's what upsets so much because the system does not work for everyone. >> the push back is hold on, this is an ag that happens to be a black ag and he's working on the part of the people to bring a case. that's everything that yhe supposedly wanted as a concerned citizen. it was not a prosecutor too close to the police. it was the ag, it was a black guy, why is it enough? >> the standard objectivity is distance from the actual occurrence or the race of the person who's assessing evaluating. it is about somebody approaching it in fashion.

if there was a civilian involved shooting who actually pulled the trigger and left somebody dead. the idea of his race or a special assigned prosecutor does not have much weight. if there is evidence that suggests or part of the team did not look at the data without giving a benefit of the doubt to the police officers. you know the supreme court case law unfortunately is quite clear on giving a broaden and over inclusive and benefited the doubt when there is a reasonable starn standard that it has to be viewed from the eye of an officer and not like you and i. the objectivity of every prosecutors will always be questionable. >> this determination by the grand jury and the reckoning by the attorney general is starting

to bring in focus. how much money was given to a black female victim before the criminal matter was finished. that's very unusual. it makes you wonder why given what just happened. >> joey jackson, laura coates, thank you both. >> we'll stay on this breaking story. the police are holding a press conference. we are hoping it will shed some lights on what happened. there were reports that an officer was shot surrounding the event in lieu of breonna taylor. as soon as i get the information, i will bring it to you. we'll be right back. without sacrificing what's most important to you today. because with fidelity, you can feel confident

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attention. our next guest was mentioned by dr. fauci today, while he raised concerns about long-haul syndrome. we have been talking about this here. you are going to hear more about it. people who are largely asymptomatic or have short cases, that end and resolve quickly. they're not out of the woods. we are learning about weird symptoms that, sometimes, kill people, plague people, for weeks and months. they don't know anything about. listen to dr. fauci. >> i bring to your attention, the fact that a number of individuals, who virologically recovered from infection, have symptomology that does not appear to be symptoms of the virus. that they are referred to as long haulers. they have fatigue, as well as cognitive abnormalities, such as the inability to concentrate.

these are the kinds of things that tell us we must be humble and that we do not completely understand the nature of this illness. >> completely understand? they don't know anything. i can't tell you how many experts and people who are with fauci call me to talk about what i'm experiencing. and i'm on the mild side. let's bring in dr. william lee, who studies the long-term impacts of covid-19. he and i have been kind of going on this journey together with long haul. he's joined by andrea, a long-hauler waiting for her coverage, via the aca. all right. so now, we have a conflation here, right? she is a long-hauler. i want her to tell you what she's dealing with. and now, she would have a pre-existing condition. what if this case, in november, finds that the aca has to be completely done. trump says he's going to fix it by executive order. he can't. he can't cover pre-existing conditions, by executive order. what happens to somebody like her, who has to pay for it? so, andrea, let's start with you. thank you for joining me. >> thank you so much, chris.

>> you look greatly for someone who is struggling. tell the audience what you're dealing with, and what your concern is. >> so, i'm sorry you're still going through it as well, chris. and i appreciate you having me. and being such an advocate for -- for all of us, long-haulers. it was certainly amazing to hear dr. fauci, today, as i'm sure you felt the same way. so today is actually day 160 for me. i started to feel ill april 17th. and i was feeling flu-like. and i had severe gastro issues. since then, i am running the gambit of everything. i have brain fog, hearing loss, severe nausea, every gastro symptom you can imagine. i have heart palpitations. severe neuropathy in my hands, my feet.

now, it's in my arms and my legs. i have extreme exhaustion, weight loss, you know, i have severe weight loss. >> and you had none of these things, before? >> i was very healthy. i'm 46 years old. i have a fantastic diet. i had a successful career. singing career. as well, on the side of my day job, no pre-existing conditions. i've never had a problem. i have always had health insurance through my job. it's never been an issue. so, no, this is completely new to me. i've never had to deal with anything like this, before, in my life. >> so, dr. lee, first of all, what solace can you give andrea in terms of -- i see you nodding your head because i know you've heard exactly this, before. >> well, that's the amazing thing. chris. and andrea, thank you for appearing and telling your story. >> absolutely. >> this is -- this is a lung

condition, is what we thought. and now, it actually affects the whole body. and weeks to months later. and so, the solace is that, number one, thanks to people hike li like andrea and her fellow advocates and to you, chris, doctors are starting to recognize this even exists. and dr. fauci made it absolutely clear today, in his statement. and so, knowledge is actually the first step to finding an effective treatment. but here is the dilemma. if long-haulers didn't exist before the covid and now it exists. is that a pre-existing condition? we can't get on top of it. is this going to actually add to the burden of health care and make it difficult for people to get insurance? that is one of the big problems that's facing everyone ahead. >> andrea, i just want you to know something i hope you know already. don't listen to the president when he says it affects nobody. i know that's deeply insulting. i know that you get he is just saying it because he's just trying to mitigate it.

but i hear from so many people like you who say how demoralizing that was, how humiliating. feel like you suffer in silence, already. let alone, to know that he doesn't care, apparently. it's not about him. it's about systems and society working together and to help the people who need it. leave the politics out of it because it's not going to be the solution for it. at least, not on his end. you stay in touch with me about what's going on. if there is an update that's necessary, i will bring you back if you want to do it. and, dr. lee, as always, thank you for providing the proper context. >> thank you. >> again, we got to focus on what matters. we got to keep our eye on a lot of different balls, these days. when the louisville police want to explain what happened there tonight, as soon as they give us the information, i'll go there with you. let's take a quick break. nkorsw- -so i can finish analyzing the risk on this position. you two are all set. choose the app that fits your investing style.

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