trump spent nearly ten times more money getting his hair styled on "the apprentice" than in taxes. $70,000 on hair. a lot of work. one item from a massive piece of investigating on how little the president has paid and how financially strapped he is. long concealed records show trump's kronks lochronic losses avoidance. paid $750. i keep wanting to say $750,000 but it's not. he paid $750 in federal income taxes the year he won the presidency. in his first year in the white house he paid another $750.

susan craig and mike mcintyre write, quote, "the new york times" has obtained tax return data extending over two decades and the hundreds of companies that make up his bigs organization including detailed from his office. it does not include his personal returns from 2018 and 2019. their reporting, which is fascinating, and i urge you to read it, details what the reporters characterize as the hollowness but the wizardry behind the self-made billionaire image. joining us now cnn, kara, what did you learn about how the president's businesses are losing money and how he manages to pay so little in taxes? >> well, that's one of the most interesting parts of "the new york times" reporting is that they describe one of the means and methods the president had done this, that he had made about $400 million from being on "the apprentice." not income from any of his actual buildings that he owned or golf courses that he owned.

he made $400 million from "the apprentice." took that money and funneled it into risky businesses and new businesses and some that he already owned and then he took the losses that those businesses were generate to go reduce his tax bill. it was to get these losses. another way he had reduced his taxes according to "the new york times" was by writing off a number of expenses including $100,000 in linen and silver at mar-a-lago, $70,000 on haircuts, and about $200,000 in landscaping at mar-a-lago. the president was taking expenses, reducing his tax bill. one other method he had paid more than $700,000 to his daughter ivanka in a consulting contract as a way to reduce his tax bill, anderson.

>> while she was employed by the trump organization, so he's paying -- i guess a salary or whatever she gets from the trump organization and then in addition as a consultant she's getting -- and that was revealed because she had to reveal that when she started working at the white house. is it clear how much debt the president has and why that matters is some of that will be coming due in the next couple of years and if he's president, the question is what's he going to do in order to make that money? >> reporter: that's right. that's the big question. he has $300 million in loans he is on the hook for for many of his properties. those are due in about four years. what "the new york times" also wrote about is this audit the president said he's been under and why he couldn't disclose tax returns, they said that has to do with a tax refund and if the irs were to rule against the president that he would be hit with a $100 million tax bill, so that's potentially $400 million

that the president could be on the hook for in the next several years and at the same time that his businesses are not making that much money and only, frankly, made worse by the pandemic and the income on the actual businesses that he's involved with including his hotels. it really raises a lot of questions about how he would go about making this money when he is potentially on the hook for $400 million. kara, thanks. john harwood at the white house. what's the reaction from the white house? >> reporter: anderson, the reaction has been entirely on brand from president trump. when he was asked at a news conference this afternoon, he ducked on the specifics of "the new york times" story, deflected by lot of state income taxes as opposed to federal income taxes. he denounced "the new york times" as biased, saying they're going after him because he's a conservative republican, and he denounced the story itself as fake.

>> yeah, basically -- first of all, i've paid a lot and paid a lot of state income taxes, too. the new york state charges a lo lot. it will all be revealed after the auditors -- i'm being -- they're doing their assessment. we've been negotiating for a long time. things get settled like in the irs, but right mao when you're under audit, you don't do that. we're under audit but the story is a total fake. all of this -- we had the same exact questions usually asked by the same people and that took place four years ago. >> reporter: of course we all remember hillary clinton brought up the issue of whether donald trump paid taxes in their debate four years ago in the 2016 campaign and when that happened the president bragged about it. >> yes, he did. >> the only years anybody has ever seen were a couple years when he had to turn them over to

state authorities when he was trying to get a casino license, and they showed he didn't pay any federal income tax. >> that makes me smart. >> reporter: now the question is whether all those blue-collar voters and taxpayers who back the president are going to think they've paid more income taxes than him because he's smarter than him or because of something else. joe biden has framed his presidential campaign and scranton versus park avenue. you can bet he will bring up this issue in the debate on tuesday night. >> what's interesting, john, and i've said this before, as you said, biden is arguing this is scranton versus park avenue but even for park avenue, according to "the new york times," this kind of -- paying $750 is incredibly rare. i think "the times" reported along the average of people in that .001% of the tax bracket of income generally pay about 24%

in federal income tax. so paying nothing or $750, that's even rare for the rarest of the rare. >> reporter: well, anderson, there are two different issues here. one of them are the shenanigans rich people can get away with to avoid paying taxes. the other is whether the image of success and affluence donald trump has sold himself as possessing as an argument why he could turn the country around, whether that whole thing is a fake and he's vulnerable on both those counts. >> according to "the times" he's received hundreds of millions from his father starting at age 3. trump has always claimed he only got a couple million, which is more than anybody, most people. john harwood, thank you very much. joining us now investigative reporter david k. johnston author of "the making of donald trump." thank you for being with us. much has been made about what the public would learn. part of that question has been answered by reporting from "the

new york times." what conclusions do you draw based on what we've learned? >> well, donald took enormous deductions in 2008 and 2009, $1.4 billion of deductions, and there's nothing i see in "the times" reporting that would explain deductions of that size. donald has been tried twice for income tax fraud. he lost both cases. he just made up deductions in that case. and one of the implications of "the times" story is he made up deductions. there are questions of specifically in "the times" report whether improper deductions were taken for certain kinds of legal fees that are personal and whether possibly there was a disguised gift that was turned into a tax deduction involving ivanka. there's a lot here, anderson, that suggests that the manhattan grand jury is looking at --

>> i don't know much about tax law at all but if what he's doing -- i mean, that any parent would ensnare their child in a tax scheme, if that's what this is, says something about the parent. ivanka was an employee, getting hundreds of thousands as a consultant, so she gets the benefit of that and it's him passing money to her that's not taxed in the same way it might be if it's a gift and he takes it as a tax deduction. >> right. you have that exactly right. you can pay reasonable compensation to someone. the more important issues are likely to be, however, don jr.'s legal bills and some other legal bills charged as tax deductible expenses which would not be

appropriate. i think it's significant $750 over two years, according to "the times" is just a plug-in number. that's just a plug-in number, not a real figure there. so those are probably years he paid no income tax. this does make it crystal clear why donald wants to hide his income tax returns from us and "the times" doesn't have his returns. they have return information. the state of new york and the irs share information. there are other people who would have this information for various reasons. you can believe, and i can tell you as a longtime former reporter for "the new york times" this story was gone over by editor after editor. i had one story with 30 editors weighing in on them and all of it will hold up just as the 2018 story, my 2017 coverage of donald's 2005 tax return has held up. >> what still don't we know?

what questions are out there about his taxes that voters deserve to have answered? >> i think the single most important question is to what degree did donald trump get money from foreign governments or foreign entities? the oligarchs report to their boss, vladimir putin. to what extent -- we know trump got money and we know there are cases i and others have written about these deals were not normal business deals. they make no sense when examined as business deals, but perfect sense as either money laundering or payoffs. the second thing we need to be concerned about is donald has personally guaranteed over $300 million of loans that would come due during a second trump term. well, do you think any bank is seriously going to go after the president of the united states if he doesn't pay his bills? and that's been donald trump's

pattern throughout his life. he borrows money, he doesn't pay his bills. he doesn't pay his vendors who sometimes go out of business. he cheats his workers. he cheats governments, and he has this well-established history that's in my writings about him of hiding records, lying and denying about records, and fabricating tax deductions. >> i remember riding in an uber, i think it was,atlantic city a year or two ago and a driver was a contractor who had done work on the resort or the aladdin, i guess it was, and got stiffed. >> the taj. >> never got paid. went out of business. david cay johnston, appreciate it. fascinating reporting from you for a long, long time. up next, what does the biden campaign make of his blockbuster report and how will it factor into tuesday night's debate. we'll ask a top adviser. the person who helped make donald trump the trump we know

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ton's "new york times" reporting on the endless ways the president has avoided playing taxes changed our plans to spend a nice couple hours talking about tuesday's upcoming debate. all is not lost because by now it is safe to bet the story will come up in cleveland tuesday night. joining us now is the communications director for the biden campaign. first of all i'm wondering what the campaign's reaction to the reporting from "the times" is about president trump's taxes. >> well, thanks for having me, anderson. look, it's the latest reminder how clear the choice is here between in this case between park avenue and scranton. you have in donald trump a president who spends his time thinking about how he can work his way out of paying taxes, of meeting the obligation every other working person in this country meets every year. with joe biden you have somebody who has a completely different

perspective on what it means to be a working family in this country. if you're a teacher, if you are a firefighter working to put food on the table, to save to send your kids to college and you see a president who is hypothetically worth millions and paying $750 in tax this is year and not just only paying $750 in taxes but saying things like it makes me smart that i do that, i think it contributes to this larger sense that we have from donald trump that he looks down on working people. he calls them losers. he calls them suckers. he calls our veterans losers. it contributes to a sense that he has a very park avenue mentality. joe biden grew up in scranton. his presidency will be about helping working families in this country. >> how does vice president biden actually prepare for this because i know the vice president has said that he's faced bullies all his life. he knows how to deal with bullies. debating donald trump is

different than any other potential person he's ever debated. >> sure. but look, he's going to use the opportunity to talk directly to the american people. look, he's not running for fact checker in chief. he's not here to convince donald trump -- >> he said he would be fact checking on the stage which seems like a recipe for disaster. >> he's not going to let donald trump misconstrue his record, but what he's going to do is use this time to talk to the american people about what he will do to build our economy back better, to get the virus under control. tuesday night is really an opportunity for people to see joe biden is the leader who has a plan, who will be able to get the virus under control, make sure we can get our kids back to school safely, create jobs in this economy. donald trump has had four years and he's presided over the loss of 200,000 american lives, tens of millions of jobs lost. i think it's one in five small

businesses in this country are closed right now because donald trump has been unable to get the virus under control. there will be a clear contrast in terms of leadership on the stage on tuesday night. >> have you been doing mock debates? again, as you know, donald trump, if you watched one of the debates with hillary clinton, he says things under his breath. he has quick retorts. he will go to any -- there's a shamelessness to him that allows him to say anything that comes into his mind to another human being. >> sure. and joe biden will be prepared for that. but i think the thing here to remember is that there's now four years of donald trump's presidency. a trump record that will be up for debate on tuesday night. i think if the only thing donald trump has to offer the american people on tuesday night are personal insults and interruptions and rude asides, that says a lot about him. and if you're an american voter

deciding whether you want four more years of that or four years of joe biden who will put forward real plans to help people get back to work i think there will be no question there. >> vice president biden said president trump is, quote, sort of like gerbils. does biden stand by that comment and should we expect to see that kind of name calling from him tuesday? invoking nazis is quite a stretch. >> look, his point was you cannot trust what comes out of donald trump's mouth. that's a tragedy. he's the president and you can't trust what comes out of his mouth. what you see from biden on tuesday night will be a different path, a different choice. if you are somebody looking at four years of donald trump and asking yourself do i feel safer, do i feel more secure than four years ago and the answer is no, you're going to see an

alternative in joe biden. he will be laying out his positive agenda and the comparison between the two, a president who cannot tell the truth and somebody in biden who has told the truth his entire career, who has been a champion for working people. again, i think that comparison will be self-evident on the stage. >> i really appreciate it. thank you very much. we should quickly note we invited someone from the trump campaign to join us tonight but the timing didn't work out. the potential fallout, if any, from "the new york times," will this be a big deal with the voters? i'll talk it over with our political gurus in a moment. s nr on iphone 11 pro is even better on our most powerful signal. switch and get two new lines of unlimited for only $90 and 2 iphone 11 pro's on us. only at t-mobile. you can't claim that because it's inanimate! [ sigh ] people ask ... what sort of a person should become a celebrity accountant? and, i tell them, "nobody should."

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breaking news, "the new york times" has details on president trump's federal income taxes. there are reports saying they would chronic losses and years of income tax avoidance, according to them. the tax data provides the, quote, most detailed look inside the president's business empire and they say it reveals the hollowness but the wizardry of the image of president. the president called it fake news. joining us now is scott jennings, a former special assistant of president george w. bush, keirsten powers and, first of all, what's your reaction to "the times" reporting? >> substantively it's a huge story and something i think should matter in an election. it should be offensive to people if someone pays -- i don't know anybody who has paid that little in taxes honestly, who is above -- is out of college.

maybe that was the last time i was paying that amount of taxes. i think that is highly problematic and speaks to some structural problems, things he can take advantage of and speaks to some of his own kind of shady behavior. that said, i don't think it's going to move any of his voters. they're locked in with him and i don't think there's anything that could happen. this certainly would not be the thing. i can't imagine what the thing would be that would move them away. it's possible if there are some people on the fence this could maybe sway them though at this point there are so few people on the fence. i don't know how big after factor it's going to be. he's going to tell his voters it's fake news and it's not true and they're not going to feel any need to even consider it. >> scott, donnie jr. during the campaign in 2016 called his dad the people's billionaire.

obviously it is baked in but it does sort of -- i mean, do you think it will rub some people the wrong way who are supporters of his to think that not only was he not paying taxes but even for people in that incredibly wealthy tax bracket he's an outlier in terms of how little he pays. >> he could. if you're thinking about this race could come down to a few thousand votes in a few states, something like this could. we already sort of knew this. this came up in 2016 as was alluded to earlier in the show. he thinks this makes him look smart because he has good accountants and manages his tax situation in a way that gets him out of a tax burden. i assume that's what he'll say on tuesday night. it's another thing that gets in the way of what i assume he would rather be talking about which is the court or how to manage the economy moving forward or so on and so forth. if he ends up losing this race,

i think we'll ask should he have released these earlier? it doesn't look like there's anything criminal. he takes legal tax breaks that are common to real estate investors. if you believe that, he could put it out and say, hey, this is why this is okay and why it looks this way. what he has to watch out for is a stunt. if i were joe biden's people i might be thinking something like have biden walk out on the stage with a $750 check, hey, i heard you were having money problems. i don't know if it will affect the election or not. i feel like maybe this ground has been gone over to some degree. >> bacari, how do you see it? >> i slightly disagree with scott in that this probably is criminal. there is a great deal of wizardry as i think "the new york times" said it was in hiding of the ball that exists in his tax records.

will this affect the election? i would say it will. the reason being is because barack obama in 2012 actually painted mitt romney throughout the entire cycle as the rich who didn't really pay taxes. that resentment is real. and because that resentment is real i do think it will have a lingering effect today. there aren't that many undecided voters. we'll see how it plays out. we know that donald trump does not play by anybody's rules. we know that donald trump likely dabbles in a gray area which will lend people, a lot of people like myself who is a lawyer, to believe there's some criminality there. will this affect the electorate? let's wait and see. will this affect what happens on tuesday night? i doubt he'll bring a check out on stage, although that's a brilliant idea, scott. i believe this will be more ho hum than people can imagine. >> what do you think in terms of looking forward to the debate,

the vice president is not going to be a fact checker which is something vice president biden said he wanted to fact check president trump, which you could spend an entire evening just focusing on that and not actually say anything about your own policies. what do you expect for tuesday night? >> well, i do think for biden he needs to not get pulled down into the mud, one thing that a lot of the republicans got pulled into that the last time around in the primary debates. they would beat trump by going lower than he did. that's not really biden's style. when people push you sometimes you say things that you might not otherwise say. nobody is going to be able to be trump more than trump is. biden just needs to be himself and he needs to stay focused on the things people really care about. they care about the court,

health care, the pandemic. they really care about the economy. these are the things people are going to be voting on and so as much as he can focus on that and be energetic and shake off the blows that are coming at him then i think he'll have a good night. >> scott? >> i think biden can play this one of two ways, go out and fully engage. the smarter way might be to say, look, i'm going to ignore this guy. nothing i say to him or about him is going to matter to him or to you or to you, mr. wallace. i will ignore him and talk about my priorities. i'm just going to pretend he's not there. that would probably drive trump insane. if you're trump, go relentlessly at biden. every time he's been challenged during this long campaign he sort of lost his temper. he challenged a farmer to a push-up contest. he screamed in elizabeth warren's face. he doesn't react well to in-your-face challenges.

if i were running the biden debate prep i would think of an ignoring strategy and the trump how to get joe biden to lose his temper. >> bakari, how about you? >> i think that joe biden is a better debater than most people give him credit for. we saw him take punches from everyone and he still stood on stage. he even had one-on-one debates with bernie sanders. it's been a long time since. incumbents actually perform poorly. all you have to do is look at barack obama's debate against mitt romney and it was an awful, mitt romney destroyed barack obama. joe biden has an upper hand going into the debate but it's very difficult, anderson, and you deal with it all the time on tv.

i don't know how you talk to somebody who lies repeatedly all the time as if it's second nature. this is something that joe biden is not accustomed to. in political debates it's not really a thing that you just go out there and somebody has a complete allergy to the truth. this is going to be an awesome experiment for the biden campaign. donald trump is a pathological liar who has something that eats at him about telling the truth. we'll see what happens. >> i take long showers afterwards. that's how. thanks, everybody. appreciate it. >> are they warm, though? >> it depends. the author who made citizen trump a household name, tony schwartz on the income taxes ahead. we'll be right back. with acetamn fights pain in two ways. advil targets pain at the source... ...while acetaminophen blocks pain signals. the future of pain relief is here. new advil dual action.

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guest, tony schwartz, author of "the art of the deal" which he wro wrote. he's also out with the audible original "dealing with the devil -- my mother, trump and me. "i'm wondering is there something specific you find most of a revelation about trump? >> the sheer brazenness of it, anderson. even goes beyond what i would expect. the kind of mind that would think i can get away with paying no taxes on hundreds of millions of dollars of income. it bothers me to hear other people saying, well, it won't make a difference and who really cares? let's understand this. we have a felon in the white house. this is one of the great tax frauds in irs history. he is running a criminal

enterprise. this, no matter what the effect is on any given voter, is big, big news. >> i want to quote one of the more striking lines in the piece and probably guaranteed to rile up president trump, quote, ultimately mr. trump has been more successful playing a business mogul than being one in real life. i was fascinate to go read in "the times" he started inheriting money from his father when he was 3 years old. a tax scheme of his dad's, i guess, to transfer assets from father to son and yet, according to "the times" ultimately was transferred over i think $300 million or $400 million. >> yes, we know he inherited $300 million. some he stole from mary trump and mary trump's father and much from other places. the thing is that what you have

here is the middle of trump's vulnerability. he equates his personal worth, whatever amount of worth he thinks he has deep down with his net worth and what's so clear here is that he is a horrible businessman. just as he's been a terrible president. so i think from the point of view, for example, of biden in this debate to poke at trump's obvious financial ineptitude, what he is good at being, and let's not miss this, he's good at cheating. he is really, really good at cheating. you know what, there's karma. the chicken comes home to roost. even the people who run big john gotti and the others who run big criminal enterprises usually get tracked down eventually. this is what's happening here. >> it goes into ways the president has benefited from the

presidency itself. his properties have become bazaars from collecting from lobbyists, foreign officials and others seeking face time, access or favor and it raises questions about if there's another four years of the administration what is going to take place because the president has huge debts coming due in the coming years. >> well, let me say this. relative to the horrors trump can inflict on us if he is re-elected and feels he has no more boundaries and no more barriers, whether or not he has big debts is not going to be the issue that america faces. they're going to face the potential of martial law, the potential of trying to enlist the military or law enforcement in rounding up his enemies. there are all kinds of things that will happen. yes, he's already subject to and

beholden to the people from whom he is accepting money. michael cohen says in his book, probably the most interesting book that's been written about him. trump saw this run for president as a way to get richer. he was jealous of putin who he believes is the richest man in the world and he saw this as that opportunity. and until he is prevented from it he will continue to go at it step-by-step by step. >> tony schwartz, appreciate you being with us. thank you very much. more breaking news tonight. a legal victory for tiktok, a federal judge banning the download of the app. tiktok is challenging commerce department restrictions as unconstitutional and a violation of due process. other restrictions dealing with internet traffic were not touched by the order. coming up, the rich history

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the modern era of presidential debates began in a chicago television studio in 1960 when richard nixon met john f. kennedy launching tradition. john foreman has a look at the highs and lows of presidential debates. >> i have as much experience in the congress as jack kennedy did. >> reporter: the most memorable line in modern debate history may have come in the 1988 vice presidential contest. republican dan quayle made a pitch and lloyd benson slammed

it home. >> jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> the ground rules for this as agreed by you gentlemen are these -- >> reporter: in the heavily scripted and choreographed world of modern presidential campaigning debates offer a rare chance to see party nominees head-to-head, no advisers, no do-overs. >> are you better off than you were four years ago? >> and few have produced as many memorable moments as the master of campaign one liners. >> there you go again. >> reporter: ronald reagan. >> i will not make age an issue of this campaign. i will not going to exploit for political purposes my opponent's youth and inexperience. >> a lot of what this campaign is about, it seems to me, bernie, a question of value. >> reporter: the ability to seamlessly waev points is rare.

george h.w. bush could do it. so could barack obama. >> i'm glad that you recognize that al qaeda is a threat because a few months ago when you were asked what's the biggest geopolitical threat you said russia, not al qaeda. you said russia. in the 1980s they're now calling to ask for their foreign policy back. >> reporter: bill clinton could turn that trick, too. >> most people are working harder for less money than they were making ten years ago. i think we can do bet fer we have the courage to change. >> whom i? why am i here? >> reporter: still, some of the most remembered moments have been surprises from then president bush looking at his watch as if he had somewhere else to be to gerald ford inconceivably arguing soviet satellite nations were not under moscow's thumb. >> each of those countries is independent, autonomous. >> say it ain't so, joe. there you go pointing backwards -- >> reporter: to sarah palin serving up red meat for comedians in almost everything she says. >> can i call you joe?

>> of course. >> reporter: i practiced a couple zingers where i call you joe. >> reporter: all of that gets a massive audience. last time around the first debate drew more than 80 million viewers, people looking for some of make up their minds. anderson? >> tom, thanks very much. still to come, a new cnn film on the late congressman and civil rights leader john lewis. i'll speak with dramont green. sixty percent of my nannies got laid off. i had to furlough my office team. dave is my financial advisor at northwestern mutual. he's like a father to me. he reached out to me. and then reminded me that years of planning with him set me up for success. i was able to rehire my staff. and now i can prepare more for the future.

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as we close this edition of 360, i want to remind you of the film debuting, "john lewis: good trouble." he attended thousands of protests, faced 45 arrests, served 33 years in congress, what a life. here's a preview.

>> my philosophy is very simple, when you see something that is not right, not fair, not just, say something, do something, get in trouble, good trouble, necessary trouble. [ applause ] >> save our country, save our democracy. >> it's a powerful film. i want to welcome draymond green and nba forward for the golden state warriors. he'll be live tweeting throughout tonight's film. you've been outspoken on social issues. you're an admirer of congressman lewis. what will viewers learn from watching the film tonight? >> i just hope viewers learn that in looking at what representative lewis has been doing his entire -- or was doing his entire life and seeing where we are today, understanding that change won't just happen today or tomorrow and that it's a long

fight that we're fighting, he was fighting the fight in the '60s and we're facing some of the same problems today. so i hope that our viewers learn that this fight isn't near over. it's still -- it's just the beginning. and to continue fighting and know that change doesn't happen overnight. if we can continue to band together and push forward, we will create change. >> as we mentioned, one of congressman lewis's philosophy, when you see some thing that's not right, say something about it. and that message, certainly still just as important today. do you think enough people embrace that idea? >> i think at times people do embrace that idea. when you're looking at athletes today, i think athletes are embracing that and, you know, continuously being told to shut up, but we continue to come together and use our platforms to push what we believe is right. and so i do believe in that and, you know, you look at guys like trader truth, when he says

getting in good trouble. i think he's getting in a lot of good trouble and trying to do great things for the black community whose constantly facing systemic racism day in and day out. that's good trouble. at times we're doing that, but we need to make sure it's happening all the time. >> it's interesting to me how athletes today, like yourselves, get criticized for speaking out on issues. people look back at muhammad ali with great reverence now. but at the time when muhammad ali was young and speaking out in very controversial ways, he was vilified. society set out to try to completely destroy him, take him out of a box saying send him to prison. and it's only in retrospect that people say, what he did was amazing and he's a remarkable person. i wonder how history will see people speaking out now 20 years from now. i think it will look different to those people who are maybe

criticizing you and others right now. >> well, i think that's always the case. and i think that is the case with anything in life. when you start talking about change and going against the grain or at least what people think you should be doing, they never accept that until change does happen. they see that that change is for the better, then they can look back and say, i now understand what he was doing. the reality is, some people can't see as far as past tomorrow. to think they're going to understand the message that we're trying to get across, the change that we're trying to make happen, to think that they'll understand that is blasphemous. i don't worry about people saying shut up and dribble or stick to sports, you're an athlete, you have nothing to do with politics. this isn't politics we're talking about. we're just talking about being treated fairly just like everyone else. i think those people just like the same ones that said muhammad ali was off his rocker 30, 40,

50 years ago, those people will look back and they'll understand. >> as we mentioned, you're going to be watching the movie and chaffi sharing your reaction on social media. how can they connect with you? >> they can connect with me on instagram or twitter. i'll be live tweeting. the congressman gave so much of his life to our country and to continue to try to create change. i'm excited to watch and continue to learn more. >> cool. draymond green, i appreciate you being with us. it's such an important film. did you ever get to meet congressman lewis? he was an extraordinary human being. >> i never got the opportunity. but i heard a ton of great things. like i said, i'm looking forward to watching this movie. >> cool. thanks so much for live tweeting during it and talking with

folks. that's it for this edition of "360." the cnn film, "john lewis: good trouble," starts now. >> announcer: cnn films presented by volkswagen.