make it great again because this right now is the greatest country on earth. good evening. we intended to bring you a special two hour debate preview, but instead we begin with breaking news. it is huge in its own right. shortly before we came to air, the subject is president trump's taxes. most significantly how little he pays and has paid. quoting now from the lead, donald j. trump paid $750 in federal income taxes the year he won the presidency. in his first year in the white house, he paid another $750. not $750,000, $750. he had paid no income taxes at all in ten of the previous 15

years, according to "the new york times" largely because he reported losing much more money than he made, they said. the times' report shows trump chronic losses and tax avoidance. the times susan craig and mcintyre share the byline. detailed information from his first two years in office does not include his personal returns for 2018 and 2019. the times continue. his reports from the irs portray a businessman who takes in hundreds of millions of dollars in year, yet racks up chronic losses to avoid paying taxes. versus what he told the irs for the same time period. i'm quoting again from the times. in 2018, for example, mr. trump announced in his disclosure he

had made at least $434.9 million. the tax records deliver a very different portrait of his bottom line. $47.4 million in losses. the reporting paints a picture of a man under sharp financial pressure. details a string of other questionable financial moves and foreign even tanglements. it does not reveal the president's wealth or connect n connections to russia. they write mr. trump has been more successful playing a business mogul than being one in real life. joining us now is tim o'brian. tim, as someone who is intimately familiar with president trump and how he likes to present his wealth and you worked on the bloomberg campaign as well. does this square with the donald trump you yourself profiled and

tangled with in court? >> it absolutely does, anderson. this is the donald trump portrayed in these tax returns is someone who engineered a massive tax cut for corporate america and for affluent americans while avoiding paying anything in taxes. literally almost anything. $750. the year he was elected president at a time when he was saying he was worth $10 billion, which i can assure you he's lying when he says he's worth $10 billion. he's worth a small fraction of that at best. i think the tax returns show that he's deeply indebted. i suspect he's always been much more indebted than he has disclosed publically. the taxes show he's an abysmally bad businessman and deal maker but someone who is not shy at all about bending the tax code to the point that the irs is now

auditing him in order to keep preserving as much money as he can for himself. there is no president in the modern era who even comes close to donald trump in terms of rigging his own finances while taking his hand or putting his hand constantly in the public well and not doing anything properly in terms of public policy that would make this tax system more equitable. i think reporters have known this about donald trump for decades. i think the beauty of the new york times is they put numeric closing on it. trump can't deny what he put in his own tax returns. >> right. this is all based on trump's presentation to tax authorities, not on what the irs themselves found in any investigations or audits that are going on or may be going on or have. there is one long-term one that the times talked about.

ivanka trump was being paid while a member of the trump organization as an employee. she also was getting consulting fees for a whole variety of stuff which allowed him, i guess, to deduct money, even more money that he didn't then have to pay in taxes. and according to the reporting, president trump personally has guaranteed hundreds of millions of dollars in loans, many of which are coming due in the next four years. for anybody who thinks this doesn't really matter. okay, we all know he wasn't as wealthy as he said and was a bad businessman and has been hiding his taxes, it does -- if there is another four year, it does kind of raise the spector of what financial -- if he's in really bad financial shape what he has to do to make money and earn more money while he's still in office. >> and how ready and willing he'd be to, i think, corrupt the white house even further in order to pad his own wallet. he has never separated himself

from his businesses when he came on as president, his long-time accountant and his two sons run the business. i can guarantee you there is no meaningful distance between them and him when it comes to money in the business. i think some of the other details are important in the tax returns are the extent to which he writes off absurd expenses like accounts including paying for things like getting his hair done. i'll try to list these without laughing. >> $75,000, i think it was. >> right, right. and seven springs, their golf estate north of new york city, is a family residence when they're promoting it. but of course they then treat it like a business expense when tax time comes. i mean, i think there is a lot of fodder in here for the irs to

dig into. i think what's really important amid all the numbers and everything that's coming out in this is you have in the numbers a portrait of a president as a con man and a long-term grifter. donald trump is probably the most successful con man in modern history and he's wound up in the white house. he's been perverting public policy and corrupting people around him including members of his own cabinet and children in service of that. when you see what's in these numbers, that can't be denied any longer. >> you know, when the whole -- whether it's years from now or whenever the whole truth comes out, i mean, what a tail this is of our times that we have been riding along in. time o'brian, appreciate it. reaction now from the white house. john, what did the president have to say when asked about this? >> anderson, he said exactly what you would expect. he didn't address the specifics in his massive new york times

expose, but he deflected, said i paid a lot of state taxes. he criticized "the new york times" that they were going after him because he was a conservative republican. he said the entire thing was fake news. >> yeah. basically -- well, first of all i paid a lot. and i paid a lot of state taxes, too. new york state charges a lot and i paid a lot of money in state. it will all be revealed. it's going to come out, but after the auditors -- after the -- i'm being -- they're doing their assessment. we have been negotiating for a long time. things get settled, like in the irs. but right now when you're under audit, you don't do it. you don't do that. so we're under audit. but the story is a total fake, and all of this is. you know we have the same exact questions usually asked by the same people and that took place four years ago. you remember that. >> it is important to remember,

anderson, that this is not the first time this issue has come up. it came up four yearsing a. in fact, we're two days from the first debate. four years ago in the debate hillary clinton discussed this precise issue and the president bragged about it. >> the only years that anybody has ever seen were a couple of years when he had to turn them over to state authorities when he was trying to get a casino license and they showed he didn't pay any federal income tax. >> that makes me smart. >> now, the question is going to be do all those voters and taxpayers who paid a lot more than $750 over the last several years, are they going to look at this after four years in the trump presidency and say donald trump paid that little because he's smarter than me or is it for some other reason? is he compromised because of this financial pressure? you can bet that joe biden is going to bring that up on tuesday night. >> appreciate it, john. next, the debate.

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whether it's the new reporting in "the new york times" about how little the president paid in income taxes or the pandemic that has taken 205,000 lives in this country or americans losing health insurance, it is all likely to factor into tuesday's debate in cleveland. so has the biden campaign responded to the times story about president trump's taxes? >> well, anderson, joe biden's campaign has not responded yet to this story about the president's taxes, but biden has often pressed president trump to release his tax returns. he said that the president should release them or shut up. even earlier this week when he was campaigning in wisconsin, biden talked about the fact that the president hasn't released those tax returns. he suggested that the reason the president hasn't done so is because he doesn't want americans to know how much he paid. this was all part of biden's pitch as he's trying to lead into his own working class routes as he's framing this

campaign as one between pennsylvania and park avenue talking about president trump. for biden's own part, he has released a lot of tax returns, more than two decades back in 2008 when he ran for vice president he released ten years and he released all of those tax returns while he was still in office and even two years after he left office. so we are still waiting to hear exactly how biden will respond to this, but it has been common for him to push for the president's tax returns when he's been out on the campaign trail. >> is there any -- i mean, do you know how the biden campaign is preparing for debates, how joe biden is preparing for the debates? >> well, we know that joe biden has been meeting with his top advisers. and one thing we will be waiting to see is how they might incorporate this story and this report into their debate strategy. biden has been huddleling with his top advisers. one of those people leading his debate prep is ron clan, a

long-time biden adviser who also ran hillary clinton's debate prep. we know that bob bauer has played president trump in one of the former vice president's debate sessions. right now his campaign and advisers are really trying to hone in on these final days on how they are going to respond to the president in this debate as biden himself said he believes it will turn very personal. >> one of the things that former vice president biden has said is that he will be fact checking the president on the stage. obviously there is a lot of -- a lot that can go wrong with that, most of which is you can eat up all your time talking about what the other person just said, as opposed to talking about what you would be doing. >> that's something they will have to consider as they're heading into tuesday night. they have acknowledged that it's not going to be possible for

biden to fact check every claim from the president. now, the biden campaign has adjusted that that's the job of the moderator. the commission said that's not the moderator's job. that's up to the candidate. but they will certainly have to deal with that heading forward. and biden has said that the president doesn't know how to debate on the facts. biden said he doesn't understand domestic policy around foreign policy. and the people i have spoken to acknowledge that he's very well versed in policy, having served in the senate for many years as well as the white house. but as he has said in that debate, he will be looking for how to not just go after president trump but also lay out his own clear vision for the country going forward. >> thanks very much. let's go to david axelrod and abbie phillip. david, the president's refusal to release his tax returns obviously has been one of his longest running controversiecon.

his attorneys put out a statement long ago saying his audits prior to -- his returns prior to 2008 are not being audited. still, he hasn't released anything. how damaging do you think this new york times report might be? >> well, look, it's voluminous and there are so many different angles, some of which are legal. if you are making some representations on your tax forms that speak to great losses and you inflate your revenues in order to get loans or insurance, that creates fraud. and that's apparently what the core of the district attorney in manhattan is looking at, and that's why they have asked for the president's tax returns and presumably it is why the president has fought so vigorously not to have him get those tax returns. what effect it has on this race i really don't know. the president already has abysmal ratings in terms of honesty and integrity.

i think many people assume he doesn't want to release his tax returns because he doesn't want people to see how much he has or hasn't paid. but i'll say this. you know, you were a witness at the cnn town hall with joe biden to, i think, a strategic shift on his part where he was really emphasizing his roots in scranton among hard working people. >> scranton versus park avenue. >> right. i think this does feed into that. and my guess is that, you know, he will hold trump up as an example of someone who has had great privilege and has scammed the system while people in scranton work hard, pay their taxes and do what's expected of them. he'll identify himself with that. and that could be very powerful. >> abbie, according to "the new york times," donald trump started technically getting money from his dad when he was three years old and there were hundreds of millions of dollars that he ultimately inherited from his father in various, you know, schemes that they did in

terms of avoiding taxes and shifting it over to baby donald trump. do you think the biden campaign trying to focus on this is a lock? it's not clear if it may have an immediate impact in whether this is all baked into people's perception of donald trump. >> yeah. i think that's the biggest question that i have about all of this. as much of a bombshell as this report is, it confirms a lot of things people already felt about donald trump or perceived about him over time. even as you just described that the president basically inherited virtually everything that he has, got a sort of multimillion dollar head start into entrepreneur ship, that's something that's played into the 2016 race as well. that would not necessarily be new information to voters. but i think what we found four years ago is that many voters

simply believe that. his brand as an apprentice figure, the successful businessman was something that a lot of voters instinctively felt like they believed. i don't know if this will change people on either side of the equation, those that want to believe donald trump is a successful businessman and those that think he is a con man. on the other hand, i do think that this is just one other thing that trump has to now deal with. and i think his explanations are growing increasingly thin. there is so much documentation now that seems to suggest that he's siding his tax returns because he doesn't want to show that he's not paying taxes and just the sort of deceptive part of this is part of the picture that the biden campaign want to paint. but by and large, they have a bigger challenge, which is showing the american people who joe biden is going to do for them and all of this will be in the atmosphere around that as well. >> david, this does have real world ramifications, especially

if president trump does get a second term. if he is beholden and has personal loans he's guaranteed for hundreds of millions dollars coming due, the times says he's received money from the philippin philippines, from turkey as well as other places during the time he's been in office. is that the reason he constantly praises erdogan and allowed him to move into syria and moved the kurds out and tried to wipe out the kurds. >> yeah, go ahead. you have autocrats in the philippines and in india as well. one of the things that was stunning in the piece is while he was apparently not paying taxes to the u.s. government, he was paying taxes to the philippines, to india and to panama for licensing deals. yeah. i mean, i think the story does detail ways in which the president has monetized his

office to his own benefit and it does raise a question of what would happen if he was unbridled by the need to run for re-election if he was so brazen in his first four years. but abbie is saying the same thing. so much of this is baked in the cake with donald trump. so much is known or suspected. his loyal followers will, i'm sure, accept his word that this is all fake news, even though he could release his tax returns at any time. his own irs commissioner says there is no prohibition against releasing your tax returns even if you are under audit, so that's just a diversion. one of the things joe biden has to be careful about in this debate is not to just chase rabbits down the hole. he needs to really focus on how this election impacts on americans and their lives and, you know, so i think he's going to want to talk about, for example, pre-existing conditions and the affordable care act and

the thread that it's hanging at by the supreme court nominee. that is a more valuable way to spend your time than this detailed labyrinth and economic picture of donald trump. >> abbie, during the debate no doubt the president will say that all people in his position try to do this. what's interesting in the times which i hadn't realized is i think they said of the -- it's not even the top 1%. it's of the 0.0001% of rich people, like the richest of the rich, on average pay about 24%, i think according to the whereas president trump is radically paying nothing for years and years and years. so even among super, super wealthy people, he's not doing it. >> this is really extraordinary. there is a part of the article that really boils it down to

this how they basically say that he made a lot of money off of his name and his brand and that avoided paying taxes by writing off losses on all of his business dealings over years and years and years. and i also thought it was fascinating that we have been talking about this sort of magical audit that this president has been under for so long. and we actually got a lot of details about what that audit is and the times indicates that he is under audit because the irs is challenging the president's seeking of an $80 million in tax refund, which is an extraordinary amount of money. so i think it really does open up a little bit more at the book of what is really going on here with his finances. >> thank you. >> if i could. >> i got to go. very quick. >> okay. i was going to say, you know, this ties into he feels that people who served in the military are suckers and he feels that people who pay taxes are suckers and there are a lot

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"the new york times" is reporting president trump's tax returns. the president paid just $750 in federal income tax in 2017 and 2016, the year he took office. the times report paints a picture of a businessman who is struggling to keep his businesses afloat who is reporting millions in losses even as he was campaigning for president and boasting about his financial success. take a look at this tweet from citizen trump about then president obama and income taxes. barack obama who wants to raise all our taxes only pays 20.5%.

trump wrote then do as i say, not as i do, he added. perfective now from the former pennsylvania senator and van jones, former aid to president an an. senator, the president is still claiming audits for not releasing his tax returns, even the ones his attorneys are pointing out are not being audited. would it beheave him at this point to release them or not? >> yeah, i don't think it would. it just makes more news. he has decided maybe for the reasons "the new york times" laid out that they would not necessarily be good news for him. so it is better to stone wall it. i don't think -- it doesn't seem to have cost him anything in popularity to not release those reports, so i think there is very, very little chance he's going to do so. >> right. for the american people, though, trying to figure out if somebody should be re-elected and serve

as president, i mean, doesn't this raise this stakes and raise again the issue of, though it's not required, everybody has done this, releasing their tax returns to know who this president owes tens of millions or hundreds of millions of dollars to? >> yeah. again, i think david was right in the previous segment. i think a lot of people sort of baked it into the cake that the president is, you know, has, you know, some, you know, dealings that are, let's just say, not ordinary and that, you know, that those are things that they have sort of already figured out. as it is with a lot of the traits of donald trump that are, let's just say, less than desirable, i think people have looked at that and say, okay, fine. look at what he's doing. look at the policies he's bringing forward. look at what he's doing for the economy and trade and a whole bunch of other things they believe are important, the

court, et cetera. that's what they will vote on, not personal things that are problematic for him. >> van, i mean, on this side of the menu, i don't know if it's the side of the not ordinary. i think it's the unsavory. he blasted the report from the new york times. i wonder what your reaction is. >> first of all, you can see now why he did not want this stuff to come out. the poorest person i know paid more in taxes than donald trump. i think that's just shocking to anybody. and i do think that some stuff is baked into the cake. but there is something here that i think is new and is different and is concerning. i think people will say, listen, he's a smart business guy. he gets away with paying fewer taxes, that's great. yeah, people will feel that way. you should pay your fair share. that's already out there. here's what's new. his brand is i'm strong. his brand is i'm independent. his brand is nobody can tell me

what to do. if it turns out he is a weak loser who is in hot to other countries, he's basically not in office trying to solve your financial problems, he's in office trying to solve his own and he's now vulnerable to anybody who can call these loans in, that's a very different discussion. that is a very different deal. i think you will have to take this on board. this isn't just shenanigans as usual from donald trump. this is this dude is in desperate need for money. and you have the paperwork to show it. >> van, the only thing i'm going to say to that -- sorry, anderson. the only thing i would say to that is, look, there is just a credibility issue. you know, there is a credibility issue from the new york times and from the mainstream media to the people who are voting for donald trump or who are considering voting for donald trump. here it is a month before the election, october surprise, the timing of it is just very

suspect. i think most people are going to write it off for what -- for what they believe it is and what the president will call it. he will call it fake news. he'll say it's not true and they will believe him and not "the new york times." >> i know a lot of people like the whole fake news thing, but do you really believe that people think in the balance of ethical behavior, ethical standards, new york times versus donald trump? i mean, i get people who support him and, you know, don't really care about it. but, i mean, i don't know of people who really honestly believe -- i'm sure there are lots of them, but that his ethics are actually better than anybody? >> well, i mean, you look at barry weiss and the fact that she resigned. look at some of the things that are going on over there. here's what i would say. maybe overall, no. but with respect to "the new york times" and how they treat donald trump, i think the answer

might be yes. there is such a rage against trump by many in the media that anything they say about him just is completely suspect, in fact every bit as suspect as the things donald trump says about everybody else. >> i appreciate it. sorry we got tight on time. next president trump's debate style. what to look for including this report from "the new york times" about his tax returns. new advil dual action

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breaking news tonight from the new york times on president trump's taxes. reportedly shaky finances. the president goes into tuesday night's debate under renewed pressure from current events. he's been there before again and again in 2015, 2016 debates. none of it seemed to matter. now on why. >> businessman donald trump. >> the tone was set at donald trump's first presidential debate in 2015. >> you call women you don't like fat pigs, dogs, slobs and disgusting animals. >> only rosie o'donnell. >> that was just the beginning

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all right? okay. two days ago he said he would take his pants off and moon everybody. and that's fine. nobody reports that. >> on stage he likes to paint his opponents as weak. >> marco is not a negotiator. i watched him melt down, and i'll tell you it was one of the saddest things i've ever seen. am i talking or are you talking? you interpreted me. >> september 30th -- >> am i allowed to finish? >> go ahead, mr. trump. >> so again -- you're trying to build up your energy, but it's not working. >> and lacking stamina. >> you have seen me. i have been all over the place. you decided to stay home, and that's okay. >> even the debate moderators are a target for trump. >> first of all, i don't believe anything telemundo says. >> and it should come as no surprise poll numbers are one of his favorite debate stage

topics. >> i'm at 42 and you are at 3. i'm beating him awfully badly in the polls. >> first of all, rand paul shouldn't even be on the stage. he has 1% in the polls. >> make no mistake about it, on debate night, donald trump likes to control the conversation. >> let me talk. quiet. out of time. >> randy kay, cnn miami. >> up next, i'll talk to former ohio governor republican presidential candidate john kasich and he would or wouldn't use this new report about the president's taxes if he were to debate against him. we'll be right back. and remember the moment that things, for one strange time in our lives, got very quiet. some lost work and invented new ways to get by. others were busier than ever,

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before the break we showed you how candidate trump performed in previous debates and tonight we've been looking throughout breaking news how little the president has payed in taxes. years not at all. joining us now is someone who debated the president himself. here is a moment from october of 2015. >> he was so nice. he was such a nice guy, and he said, oh, i'm never gonna attack, but then his poll numbers tanked. that's why he's on the end. >> folks, we got to wake up. we cannot elect somebody who doesn't know how to do the job. >> joining us now, nearly five years later, cnn senior political commentator, former ohio governor john kasich who we should point out is endorsing joe biden.

he's also author of "it's up to us: ten little ways we can bring about big change". governor kasich, if you were bringing advice to anybody debating president trump on a stage what would you advise? it is unlike any other debate opponent. >> you don't go into the gutter. you get down in the gutter and start throwing mud, you'll lose. you saw how the other guys did it, they had to drop out. you know, i never did it, i presented -- i took the high road, and i never thought you should take the low road to the highest office in the land and -- but there's two things that i think -- three things that i think joe biden has to be aware of, one -- when he debates. be aware of the camera. something i had to learn because the cameras are on you all the time and they watch every reaction you have. i think, number two, you have to finish your sentences strong, anderson. you can't, like, meander or wander around. you have to finish -- almost think about it with, like, an exclamation point, and i think that's really important. and also for joe biden, it's a

matter of stamina because we see a lot of senior citizens now beginning to move from trump towards biden. if he has a good performance and he comes across strong then i think he can win them. and that's what's really important. and, of course, it's inevitable the discussion about this paying the taxes is going to come up. and, i mean, look, i heard some of the other guests, but i will tell you this, if you're trying to win blue-collar voters, if you're trying to win people who are sort of on the margin and you find out this guy paid $750. not $750,000, but $750 and a bunch of years he didn't pay anything, that doesn't pass the smell test and it takes donald trump off of his post important core message, which is the economy. so i've said a lot here, sorry. wanted to get it all in. >> well, it also points to, you know, joe biden was sort of testing this idea of, you know, scranton versus park avenue. he's the guy from scranton.

>> yeah. >> donald trump is from park avenue -- or fifth avenue is where he now lives. this whole tax news certainly plays into that. >> it does. >> especially because "the times" points out -- and, again, if the reporting is accurate -- is that even people in that upper echelon tax bracket of 0.0001% usually pay i think "the times" said on average 24% in federal taxes even with all their sort of schemes to dodge taxes. so even for, you know, if the president is saying, well, look, it's what all people would do in my position, it's actually not. i mean, it seems like it's really kind of rare and extreme what he's doing. >> well, i talked to a friend of mine who is very involved in real estate and, you know, there's a lot of things you have to look at when it comes to when you pay, how you pay, depreciation schedules, many things. but, you know, to pay $750, anderson, $750 -- >> well, that's -- >> people are going to look at that and say what? >> that's nothing for a couple of years.

that's an improvement based on -- yeah. >> yeah, i think it's almost better to pay nothing than to pay $750. and then to say that you had deductions that included your ability to take care of your hair? i mean, i'm telling you, there are people out there -- and i know -- i come from blue collar, hardworking, these folks are scraping to make a living and they're gonna wake up and fine out this -- this incredible mogul paid $750? i don't care what his excuses are. it doesn't pass the smell test. >> also, he's roped -- >> it won't disrupt -- >> sorry, go ahead. >> it's not going to disrupt the people for him totally, they'll still be for him, but the people on the fence. >> he's also roped in his daughter ivanka trump, $100,000 to some hair stylist she liked and she was already employed by the trump organization, but he's also then paying her as a consultant on all these projects and he's able to deduct that from his taxes because that's a

business expense, paying somebody who is already an employee and a family member additionally as a consultant. i mean, you know, he ropes in everybody he can. >> anderson, let me tell you something, when you're running for office, okay, and something like this comes up, it just completely changes everything. all of a sudden you've got to deal with that. and the things that you want to talk about, you're not talking about. and, look, we just went through him saying that this election will be a hoax and all that other stuff. got him off target. got him off message. even the court in a funny sort of way has gotten him off the most important message, which is a message about jobs and the economy. now you got this thing and people saying, what are you kidding me? can you imagine the signs that are going to be put up about him paying $750 in taxes? anderson, i'll bet you paid more than $750 in taxes. >> yes, i can guarantee you. yeah. i mean, i was reading this

article. i was unaware of all these schemes and stuff. i mean, it's incredible. he's been able to take losses from, you know, over -- from years ago, and i guess somehow have them cover, you know, allow him to deduct -- i don't know how it works. >> anderson, what's gonna happen is the reporters are gonna dig, dig, dig, and there's gonna be things that are gonna come out that are gonna -- >> yeah. >> -- appear to normal people as just crazy. and if that's the kind of tax system we have then we better go take another look at what we're doing here. >> yeah. >> so, look, there are legitimate deductions, business deductions and all that. you watch the things that will come out by the reporters who came upon this. again, if you're a trump supporter, you're saying it's fake news. that's not who the target audience is. >> got to go. >> the elections are close. okay, anderson, thank you. >> governor, appreciate it always. the cnn film "john lewis: good trouble" is next.

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