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we will stay on top of this. thank you for joining us. remember tomorrow five weeks to election day and debate night. thank you for joining us. have a good day. hi there. i'm brianna keilar and welcome the viewers in the u.s. and around the world for years president trump battled to keep the truth of his fnszs out of the hands of congress and away from the american public. a sweeping new report from "the new york times" shows why. because while many of you were shelling out money to the irs every april the president was not. not one dime in federal taxes for ten out of 15 years spanning from 2000 to 2015. this is according to more than two decades of tax records reviewed by the paper. and in 2016, and 2017, the years that he did pay, he only paid
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$750 each year. that's less than the stimulus checks sernt to millions of americans and an amount that many said could barely cover the rent or other basic needs. how did the president do it? by declaring according to analysis hundreds of millions of dollars in losses. losses that trump then used to avoid paying the irs. and as for the money that he does make, during the president's first two years in the white house $73 million from overseas, mostly from the golf courses but also from licensing deals in several countries including turkey and the philippines and also brings in money from other businesses that he has refused to die vest from, among the d.c.-based trump international hotel which is a rise in business from those eager to get in the president's good graces even as the property loses money overall. none of this though is enough to offset what lies ahead, loans
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and debts totalling $421 million with most of it coming due within the next 4 years. that means a second term could make trump who's personally responsible for much of it and the office of the presidency vulnerable. i want to bring in adam davidson, a writer for "the new yorker" following the trump's finances and in particular the golf courses. what is your takeaway from the expose? >> it's fabulous work, obviously, by "the new york times" that really fleshes out a picture that largely has been known at least by financial journalists but this really adds rigor to the case that this is a lousy business person in serious debt and plays very fast and loose with tax laws. >> okay. so paying no taxes, paying $750 in taxes, right? these are like meager payments. his supporters might just say he was smart, able to do this and he did it. so that brings us to the
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question, is he using the tax code as he legally can or are there signs that this could be tax fraud? >> there's lots of signs this could be tax fraud and lots of signs that this is not the work of a great mind. certainly not a great business mind. you can say that trump's dad fred trump is the guy that supporters seem to think he is. he was a relatively self-made guy. his mom helped him out but fred trump made a proper fortune by building housing for poor people and middle class people and did a lot of tax fraud to keep as much of the profits for himself. that's a story that has been well reported by "the times" and that we know well. this tells us a very different picture. trump is both doing things that are very questionable on his taxes but he is also not able to sustain his businesses. it's a combination of corruption and ineptitude, truly bad
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business, being a very bad business person that lucked out being the son of a rich person and we see that "the apprentice" kept him afloat for the last 20 years. >> you laid out some very interesting points in the tweets since this story broke. hir hundreds of millions of dollars of debt that comes due in a few years and in 2011 he gets an unknown source of income, funding, that he would need. since that money also from his dad and "the apprentice" dried up. who does the president owe money to? >> we don't know and that's really important. for national security reasons. look. this is a guy who spent other people's money. quite open about it and proud of it. he spent other people's money. he spent his dad's murn, spernt banker's money and then in the
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mid-2005 to 2010 spent mark burnett's money and money made from "the apprentice" but the real crazy spending, way outmatches any sort of revenue starts in 2011 and we just cannot figure out, "the times" doesn't know, nobody knows where that muoney came from. doesn't seem to be general rated by his own businesses and where did it come from? what i point out, i don't have any proof but it is quite telling -- i have proof that in 2011 he started doing business with the family in asszerbijan. and other people that laundered money through golf courses and trump is spending hundreds of millions of dollars on golf courses, money he can't afford. are they the ones that gave him the money?
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i don't know. somebody with subpoena power needs to find out but certainly evidence he owes somebody a ton of money and those people know a lot about him and his life is dependent on him, his financial life anyway, and we need to know who the president owes money to. >> so important. adam davidson, thank you so much for walking us through this. >> thank you. great to be on. now, fairness is one thing but whether the president's tax returns are legally on the up and up is another. the reports in "the new york times" could open him to prosecution after he leaves office, whether that's in four months or in another four years. cnn legal analysis paul cowen is joining me to talk about this. okay. so what are the legal potential liabilities that the president faces in the near term and perhaps once he leaves office? >> brianna, it is interesting
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that this article comes out now because, of course, the president's tax returns are finally under criminal subpoena in an investigation in new york city by the new york d.a. so we know that those returns are going to be looked at very, very carefully and it is a criminal investigation, not a civil investigation. in looking over "the new york times" allegations i think that the strongest thing the president may have to worry about are the claims that he overestimated the value of properties that he owned in order to facilitate bank loans. what happens in that situation? you tell a bank that a property is worth a lot more than it really is to sustain a bigger mortgage, that can be tax fraud. when you do that because or it can be fraud as against the institution. remember, most of these banks are federally chartered banks so there are federal crimes
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involved, not just tax crimes but others involving fraud so that's an area that these revelatio revelations indicate the president may have something that he should be worried about. >> you heard what adam davidson was laying out there about some of the affiliations that president trump had in the last decade. could this be money laundering? >> well, anything is possible here and i don't -- it is not fair for me to go out on a limb to say he is a money launderer but when you look at somebody that lived as lavishly as president trump did, even before he was president, with the helicopters and the planes and the gold-plated apartment on 5th avenue, we find out that in "the times" 11 out of 18 years of tax returns he paid really no taxes at all or $750 in taxes. it's really a staggering figure.
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now, i mean, common sense would say to you that there's something that's not right here but you'd have to have all the records and really go through them in detail to see if criminal conduct has occurred. on the face of it, it looks suspicious and as far as you can take it now. >> the irs should have enough details, right? >> well, they have and if the -- the president's been dodging the release of the tax returns for a very long time, from the time he started running for president from the time of audit and if that's true, the irs is probably looking over the records and of course a thing that "the times" dealt with earlier in a series on the finances was that a lot of his success arose frankly from atlantic city and the collapse of the taj mahal and other situations where he kind out of this situation with tremendous amounts of debt but
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what he generated but the ability of tax losses that he could post as against income in future years. and i'm betting when you get into the details of all of the tax returns in question you're going to find that he is carrying what he says were losses that occurred in prior years to prevent him from paying taxes currently and whether there's a tax dodge that would be up to the irs. >> yeah. we do know he's under audit and a 70 plus million dollar refund that he got that is currently kind of tied up, stalled right now as being evaluated to make sure that it was or maybe was not on the up and up. paul, appreciate it. >> thank you. "the new york times" reporting in just a couple years donald trump is on the hook for hundreds of millions of dollars in personally guaranteed loans, personally guaranteed. if he is re-elected that money
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comes due while he is in the white house. how much of a potential national security threat might that be? let's discuss this now with cnn senior law enforcement analyst andrew mccabe. he is also the author of "the threat: how the fbi protects america in the age of terror and trump." andrew, according to "the times" the president has $421 million in debt which is coming due in the next few years. what are the national security implications of that? >> the existence of financial peril or disorder in someone's life is always a key factor in determining whether or not that person might be vulnerable to influence or a pitch or recruitment by a foreign entity and a first thing that we as investigators look at when we're trying to figure out if someone has gone to the other side and is now working with a foreign government, were they motivated to do so by finances?
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we have seen in many cases that's what happens. i have to tell you that in all of those cases i have seen, i have never come across an individual who was actually facing debts that were coming due on this magnitude. $400 million in the next 2 or 3 years is an extraordinary number. we also have some serious questions about where those debts are from. as your previous guest mentioned, we don't know where donald trump borrowed that money from. that information ssht in the records we have seen so far and if that money is from foreign sources then it really opens a pandora's box about foreign influence issues with the president of the united states. it does not get anymore serious than that. >> just for someone who is seeking a security clearance, if we're talking more generally mere, what is the amount normally to make reviewers say
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that makes this person susceptible to being recruited or susceptible to foreign influence? >> there's no amount but government employees that make a good salary but live on a salary of, you know, $100,000 a year, $125,000 a year, something like that. so for a person in that situation, you could simply be behind on a number of credit cards and that would cause a red flag to these background and security clearance investigators. a mere pittance compared to what the president is facing in the next few years. so i mean i have seen people really go to extreme measures over not being able to pay the rent and mortgage and being behind on credit cards, student loans, debts to finance their children's educations. just like fractions of a fraction of what we're talking
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about here. >> yeah. i do want to turn to the election and worries about how safe it is from hacking because tyler technologies that supplies data visualization is hit by hackers. it says that its software that can format and display election results, campaign finance data and information of polling places was not targeted. does this worry you? >> greatly, greatly. it is important for your viewers to understand that companies like that, particularly in politics and elections, just big companies in general are constantly subject to probing by cyber adversaries. we saw a lot of that in 2016. we saw the russians probing the networks of voter registration systems and things like that in all 50 states. it is very different if that cyber actor actually gets into a
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system and can have access to the data that they seek so it's like ground ball compared to a grand slam. so if that's happening in election sensitive systems around the country we have a lot to be very, very concerned about. >> all right. andrew mccabe, thank you so much. >> sure. coronavirus cases and hospitalizations are rising across america and this includes an alarming rate in new york city so we are going to take you there. the director of the cdc is overheard talking about the controversial task force doctor who's become a proxy of the president's? hear what was said. and new reporting on the president's former campaign manager's hospitalization after reportedly threatening to harm himself while being armed. this is cnn special live coverage. we're carvana, the company who invented
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as temperatures again to drop across much of the country fewer social distancing outdoors events and we are seeing coronavirus casses skyrocket across the nation. the u.s. is now averaging around 44,000 new cases a day. dr. fauci who had expressed hope that the u.s. could get the new daily case numbers down to 10,000 a day acknowledges reality that we are reporting four times that number with no signs of it slowing down ahead of the flu season. >> we are not in a good place with regard with what i had said back then because you really want the level of community spread to be as low as you possibly get it and i hope not but we very well might start seeing increases this deaths and something i discussed sometime ago is something you don't want
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to be in a position like that as the weather gets cold and really need to intensify the public health measures that we talk about all the time. >> 21 states are experiencing an increase in new cases this week, compared to last week, and a national study examining the blood of more than 28,000 people undergoing dialysis found 9% had antibodies for the virus. one of the study authors said we haven't come close to achieving herd immunity. now to trouble brewing within the coronavirus task force. a source said that the head of the cdc has serious concerns about a top adviser on the task force and the information that he's feeding the president. nbc journalist reportedly overheard redfield saying that dr. atlas gives quote false information. cnn's nick valencia reports on the details of atlas that's raising red flags. >> reporter: this is noteworthy
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because this is the first report we hear where dr. redfield is publicly critical of dr. atlas. they have provided contradictory statements to the public of the efficacy of the masks and how many americans are still susceptible to the virus. nbc reported they were on a commercial flight on friday with dr. redfield in which they overheard dr. redfield on a phone call with a colleague saying everything this man says is false, referring to dr. atlas. the cdc said that nbc news is reporting one side of a priftd phone conversation of dr. redfield overheard on a plane from atlanta. dr. redfield having a private discussion regarding a nuchl bier of points he's made publicly of coronavirus. dr. atlas has no expertise in infectious disease but appears to be a top adviser to the
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president of the coronavirus. we have reached out to the white house and not heard back and clearly some thing that is dr. atlas said is concerning to many in the public health community including dr. redfield. brianna? >> thank you so much. dr. chris prenell is a physician and lost her father to coronavirus and is a volunteer for a covid-19 vaccine trial. doctor, i want to start by getting your reaction to the head of the cdc expressing concerns about dr. scott atlas saying that he's sharing misleading information about the virus with the president. >> what was being reported is true then kudos to dr. redfield. he is in a position where we need him and the cdc to safeguard the public. we need the disinformation and misinformation to stop and what i saw this weekend with the hhs secretary in the rose garden
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without a mask, that's reckless and need the public health community and the experts to surround the alarm and reinforce what the public needs to do to stay safe. >> new york city seen cases growing at an alarming rate in queens and brooklyn and the city with the highest number of cases there since june. are you worried for the city? >> yes. we have to remain vigilant. we have to follow the public health science and the public health data. it is important to track those test positivity rates, for us to track the new cases and as soon as we see a spike, to double down and reinforce the infection prevention guide lines which we know can keep communities safe and particularly for me i look at it through a health equity lens. why are we seeing these spikes? we got to double down, do the work, do the science and we need leaders to lead.
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not to get in the way of that public health science. >> i want to fact check something we heard from a white house spokesman earlier who was essentially minimizing the impact of coronavirus saying the treatments of coronavirus have improved. what do you say to that? this idea that the treatment has maybe improved enough that we should be less concerned about getting coronavirus. >> that's just disrespectful. that's disrespectful to the 200,000 lives plus that were lost. that's disrespectful for the over 7 million case that is we have seen in the united states. we know what the data has shown us and we know that in particular black and brown communities have borne a disproportionate burden of this pandemic while things are emerging, new interventions are considered. we cannot relax and we cannot allow people to go forward and to spew things we know not to be
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true. >> you know the cost, doctor, very well. >> very well. >> thank you so much for being with us again. just a short time from now the president will face reporters as we hear the secret of the taxes. carl bernstein live on what he says this con is a big house of cards that's about to fall. we're going to show you some of the president's old tweets that foreshadowed the current trouble he is facing. ggie cheeseburger on ciabatta, no tomatoes.. [hard a] tonight... i'll be eating four cheese tortellini with extra tomatoes. [full emphasis on the soft a] so its come to this? [doorbell chimes] thank you. [doorbell chimes] bravo. careful, hamill. daddy's not here to save you. oh i am my daddy. wait, what? what are you talking about?
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there's always a tweet and with "the new york times" reporting that president trump paid $750 in federal income taxes in 2016 and 2017 and no federal income taxes whatsoever for ten of the previous 15 years before that, his old statements are exposing some stunning hypocrisy like this one from 2012. trump blasting the american people saying, quote, half of americans don't pay income tax despite crippling government debt. mind you the average tax filer pays $12,000 a year. considerably more than the president has. later that year trump attacked president obama saying, quote,
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barack obama who wants to raise all our taxes only pays 20.5% on his salary. do as i say not as i do. that year obama paid more than $172,000 in federal taxes. president trump said have we had a potus paying taxes to another country? "the times" reporting that trump as president received more money from foreign sources than previously known and attacks jeff bezos accusing him of business losses at "the washington post" as a tax shelter to screw the public essentially. according to "the new york times" trump took $70,000 or the fizz hair and appeared to write off hundreds of thousands of dollars paying his daughter to the trump organization even though he was employed as an employee of the trump organization and then there's
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this, trump bragging that he'll pay more in taxes in a year than you pay in your life while paying no taxes for ten of 15 years. and he is flexing here, posing next to a tall stack of papers with signing a recent tax return, isn't this ridiculous? president trump is denying the "the new york times" report calling it fake news. joining me is cnn political analyst carl bernstein with us. give us your reaction of what's a bombshell report here. >> this is really the smoking gun of a pervasively criminal presidency. we have a president of the united states who is a grifter. his family are grifters and this is the evidence it but more grievous and grotesque are the implications of the "the new york times" report. think you have to go back to a
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statement by eric trump that said, well, the son of the president, well, we don't rely on american banks. we have the funding out of russia. this points to the president's foreign entanglements for his own political purposes and his own financial good. this is an unraveling that we now need to do in the press and the congress of the united states to find out just how great a national security threat to this country our president is, particularly in his dealings with putin, with erdogan of turkey, this report shows is the pervasive ability of these countries to hold the president up and as a former national security director -- pardon me, director of national intelligence dan coats said he believes that putin has something on trump and we need
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to follow the leads now to see where it really takes us, follow the money, follow the lies. >> he owes a lot of money and very unclear to whom he owes this money. this report just very much shatters his image as a successful billionaire tycoon. you did use the word criminal so when you look at this, is this -- i know you believe that this is very much a con that we see play out on in this report but you also think it's a crime? explain that. >> certainly implications of tax fraud to begin with that needs to be looked at and will be but again the question of what other obligations does he have? for instance, he has put up people in his hotels from these foreign countries, the sources of his income unare unknown and have to do with favors he has
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possibly granted to foreign entities. this president needs to be thoroughly investigated in terms of how the united states has or may have been compromised by his actions, his selfishness, his putting his own interests, financial, in front of the interests of the united states. what this report proves beyond a doubt is what we have been reporting a long time, that is he did not expect to win the 2016 election. that he wanted to improve his financial condition. he was underwater. that is what we see here. it is a house of cards, the trump organization. and he is hundreds of millions of dollars in debt that he now must find a way to come up with this money. how can we have a president of the united states with these kinds of obligations?
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it is time for republicans especially in congress to say, wait a minute. we need to look at this. we can't blindly endorse this man with what we know about his tax situation, about how he may have compromised our national security. this is a grievous, grievous, dangerous moment because of what is revealed in "the new york times" reporting. >> he claims that it's fake news. he is also though accusing "the new york times" of illegally obtaining the information and having only bad intent. if something is fake news there wouldn't be something to be illegally obtained and this wasn't illegally obtained. "the new york times" is clear about that. what is your reaction to him covering the bases here? >> he is always tried to make the conduct of the press the issue instead of his own conduct and here he is doing it once again but the fact remains "the new york times" has done a
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remarkable public service by simply putting these returns and what they say out there. how they came by them is not the issue here. they say in their story that it came from people with legal access to them. that's not the issue. the issue is donald trump and whether or not he has compromised the american people once again for his own financial gain and for his grifter family. this is something unprecedented in our history. the president of the united states with these conflicts of interest who's not paid his taxes, has not revealed his taxes and yet we see now that these taxes are the key to understanding his whole presidency. that's what this is. we now have a template to put over all of his arkss at president of the united states and that is what is in these tax
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returns and we need to know what did the actions as president look like? what are the phone calls? i did a report about the president's phone calls with putin, with erdogan, with other authoritarian leaders, all of them in places where he has financial interests. so now we've got a lot to go on and it's time that the congress of the united states even at this lat moment, not just the voters, take a look at the national security implications of this and even if he leaves office we have the problem of a president of the united states with all of that national security information who is compromised. that's the problem. he is compromised to foreign entities these reports and these tax returns certainly indicate. let him show us how he's not compromised if that's the case. >> carl, always great to see you. thank you. >> thank you.
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a man is sentenced to a year behind bars for hosting parties during the coronavirus. georgia under fire for keeping school covid information secret. hear why. and a tragic story out of south carolina. the mother of a teacher who died from the coronavirus also dies from covid. a friend of theirs will join me next. i need indeed indeed you do. the moment you sponsor a job on indeed you get a shortlist of quality candidates from a resume data base claim your seventy-five-dollar credit when you post your first job at indeed.com/promo
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over the last seven days south carolina has reported close to 4,000 new coronavirus cases and 135 deaths. among them, 57-year-old shirley banister, the chair of the nursing department at mid land technical college in columbia, an active member of her church and she was a mother. shirley lost her 28-year-old daughter who was a third grade teacher to coronavirus just a few weeks ago. they were incredibly close according to family members and then fluns they had on the community was profound. the president of the college where shirley worked described her, quote, she was like an angel on earth. the life mission was caring for others. the impact is everlasting. ron rames is joining me now and wrote that message. i'm so sorry for the loss of
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your friend and colleague and i know this is especially devastating considering she had just lost her daughter. this is very tragic for this family. can you share with us a little bit about shirley and the impact that she had on you and those around you? >> yes. certainly. she was an outstanding leader for our college but more important she understood what it meant to be student center. you think about shirley. she understood the importance of students succeeding. she would spend tremendous amount of time and effort making sure that her students were successful in what they were doing. there was an incident with shirley literally paid out of her own pocketbook fees far student to be able to succeed here at our college. so there's no doubt about it. her impact on our students and
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our college and community will be everlasting. >> can you tell us how the family is doing? as we understand it, her husband dennis, she is survived by her husband dennis but demetria was an only child. >> yeah. i have not talked to her husband at this time. i was giving them, the family, time to spend some time alone to reflect and those kinds of things but i believe it's a strong family. while these are very difficult times i believe they will overcome. we'll offer all the support we can from the college family. >> shirley discovered that she had covid-19 on the same day that her daughter died of it and there was an interview that we have seen where her sister-in-law said that shirley had difficulty getting tested and went to the e.r. three times but i guess was told she didn't really meet the threshold for being tested. have you heard stories like that
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in south carolina? >> well, i think early on in the testing process, the covid-19, there were some challenges getting testing. i'm not sure specifically about shirley's experience with getting tested but certainly in the beginning throughout the country there were really challenges with testing for the covid-19. >> yeah. no. it certainly had its challenges. ron, thank you so much. i think it's so important that we focus on people who we have lost through this and we appreciate you sharing with us a little bit about shirley banister. >> well, thank you for this incredible opportunity to share just a little bit about a great person that i think had one of the finest soul that you can ever meet and so thank you for this opportunity. >> all right. ron, thank you. soon we'll be hearing from president trump in the rose garden for an update on the coronavirus response.
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president trump's former campaign manager brad parscale is in the hospital after a reported suicide attempt inside his south florida home. parscale was once a rising star in the campaign, kwhwho has a history with the trump campaign. a police report says parscale's
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wife told investigators he had been ranting and raving about something while holding a gun and she thought he had shot himself. the report said parscale's wife said he had been making suicidal comments throughout the week. >> reporter: brad parscale is getting treatment at the broward health medical center here in fort lauderdale, florida, after police responded to his home yesterday. they were responding to reports of a suicide attempt. it all started around 4:00 yesterday afternoon. his wife had apparently called police saying that he had barricaded himself inside the home with numerous weapons. she was very concerned that he was going to harm himself so police did show up. they negotiated with him. they must have said all the right things because he did surrender without incident just shortly after the s.w.a.t team had arrived, actually. they were negotiating with him on his exit and apparently they developed a rapport with him to get him out of the home. he is being treated here. we can tell you, the
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communications manager gave a statement, he is a member of our family, we are ready to support him and his family in any way possible. a lot for this family to be dealing with. it's unclear what brought this on but our thoughts are with them. >> we are right now digging through the numbers, after a report reveals how much president trump is not paying in taxes. could there be legal ramifications. plus, the head of the cdc is overheard saying trump's top covid advisory is giving false information. tonight, i'll be eating a veggie cheeseburger on ciabatta, no tomatoes.. [hard a] tonight... i'll be eating four cheese tortellini with extra tomatoes. [full emphasis on the soft a] so its come to this? [doorbell chimes] thank you. [doorbell chimes] bravo. careful, hamill. daddy's not here to save you.
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keilar, and a day ahead of the first presidential debate between president trump and former vice president biden, president trump is lashing out at "the new york times" over an extensive new report on the president's finances. and the report is not pretty. the big take away here is that the president has been dodging the irs for years. tax records obtained by the times show that between 2000 and 2015, trump paid no federal taxes whatsoever for ten of those 15 years. he did pay federal income taxes in 2016 and 2017 but it was only to the tune of