barrett criticized that decision. that's on the docket of the supreme court just a week after the election and erin, as you well know, justice ginsburg dedicated her life to equality and affordable care act dto not discrime nate against women. >> we'll have time as the hearings commence. thank you for your time tonight and thanks to all of you for yours. "ac 360" starts now. good evening. the wealthiest president ever does not want to talk about reporting that says he paid less in federal income taxes in his first year in office than perhaps any president on record and maybe less than most tax paying americans. tonight, we'll look at the legal and national security were cases and there are many but first, the simple striking facts starting with the president's odd silence. he had a chance to talk when he was in front of the microphone twice today but walked away on both occasions.

where does he not gravitate towards a camera? had he taken questions, it might have been pointed out roosevelt the first president we have records paid $11,6363.33 in 193. that was a lot of money back then. donald trump by contrast, $750 in 2017, the same $750, probably a different $750, the same amount in 2016 and nothing at all according to the "new york times" in ten of the 15 years before that. that of course comes from the report published in the "new york times" based on quote tax return data extending over more than two decades for mr. trump and the hundreds of companies that make up his business

organization including detailed information from his first two years in office. think about this. this is information the trump organization was providing to the irs. it's not some random figures that are out there that someone made up. this is what the trump organization was saying to the irs. and paying. as we said, he didn't want to talk about it today which is odd because he's had plenty to say on the subject in the past such as here in a tweeted photo of him sitting next to a stack of papers back in februay of 2016. one of the years he reportedly paid $750. signing a recent tax return he writes. isn't this ridiculous? and yeah, yet again, a tweet for everything. or a sound byte. here he is a few months later boasting about not paying any taxes at all. >> the only years that anybody has ever seen for a couple years when he had to turn them over to state authorities when he was trying to get a casino license and they showed he didn't pay federal income tax.

>> that makes me smart. >> smart he told her. that's what he said back then because the government would only waste his money. >> responded -- >> you haven't paid any federal income tax for a lot of years and the other thing i think is important -- >> it would be squandered, too, believe me. >> believe me he says. you can't just go around just giving the treasury money. they will only squander it. tell that to the man that claims to have written the 2011 book, "time to get tough." he believes everyone should pay and i'm quoting from donald trump's alleged own book, pages 54 and 55, if you have a copy handy in your home, half of america doesn't even pay a single penny in federal income taxes. they may shock you but it's true. that same year on that same subject, alleged author donald trump told sean hannity, if you don't make a lot, you should have to pay something, just something to be part of the game. so a self-proclaimed multi

billionaire says the lowest earning americans should pay some income tax and he's boasting he's smart for not paying any. maybe you're thinking he's not paying income tax because he made a bunch of bad investments and they out weigh earnings. he's a really bad businessman. quoting from the story, his reports to the irs portrayed businessman that takes in hundreds of millions of dollars a year and racks up chronic loses to avoid paying taxes. the bottom line, he doesn't have a mitis touch. far from it. very far from it. you'd never know it based on what he told voters when he got into the race. >> and i have assets, big accounting firm, one of the most highly respected, 9,240,00 o and

liabilities of about 500. that's long-term debt. very low interest rates. one of the big banks came to me and said donald, you don't have enough borrowings. could we loan you $4 billion? i don't need it th. i don't want it. >> that big accounting firm is answering subpoenas that so is the only major bank that deals with him and the manhattan d.a. is investigating the trump organization perhaps because the only way you can claim to be too rich to need help and too poor to pay taxes is if you're lying about one or both of those things. >> it was my experience mr. trump inflated his total assets when it served his purposes such as trying to be listed amongst the wealthiest people in forbes and deflated his assets to reduce his real estate taxes. >> so he lied to the irs, lied on the other side to bankers for

loans and reporters and voters. remember all that talk on the campaign trail about being too rich to need anything from the government? as president, he's been steering government money to his own companies for the entire time and that means then to his own pockets. he spends nearly every weekend as you know at one of his golf clubs. the secret service doesn't stay for free. he charges them to stay there. they have to rent golf carts and taxpayers are paying that money and that ends up going to donald j. trump and i guess the kids. according to the washington post as of the end of last month, federal spending records show the taxpayer haves paid trump's businesses more than $900,000 since he took office. as always with trump it's other people's money, not his he's spending and their money, your money is going through his family into his pocket. the same as the hotel in washington, whenever the secret staffers want to rent a room, other people's money, his pocket. organizations with issues having a friend in the white house might help withhold events at

his resorts, money in his pocket and opening for influence. he tried to move the g 7 summit to his resort near miami. do you remember him talking about the bungalows. >> doral we have a series of magnificent buildings, we call them bungalows. they hold 50 to 70 very luxurious rooms with magnificent rooms. incredible conference rooms and restaurants. it's such a natural. >> other people's money only on a global scale in that case and when tax time came around, other people's money not his was good enough to fund the government. we do know or don't know yet i should say if anything he paid in taxes for the last three years, there say good chance none of the trillions of dollars in debt while in office will be offset by more than $750 of income tax from him. boris johnson joins us now. boris sanchez, sorry.

boris sanchez joins us from the white house. thanks for being with us. the president had a briefing today and over the past couple months, he's used these as an opportunity to answer questions from the press. he didn't take questions at all today. that's unusual. >> reporter: the resemblance is striking, anderson, i know. there is no indication from sources at the white house why he didn't take questions today. you saw him in the video sort of speeding out of the rose garden. you ill mmagine he's been hidinx returns since 2015 so he may be hesitant to provide details that this data from "the new york times" raises. a couple things certainly jump out. for one, the debt. the donald trump owes more than $300 million and that bill is coming due within the next four years. so where is that money tied up? where is it coming from? is there a potential conflict of interest? further, his dealings with other countries.

this data from "the new york times" reveals that the president actually paid more in taxes to the philippines, to india and to panama than he did to the united states. it shines a new light to me when the president says that he believes that foreign countries are ripping off the united states. also, the deductions. these mysterious deductions for consulting fees writing off $70,000 for his hair styling. i suspect the president is not eager to answer a lot of our questions because they are right for not only criticism but also ridicule, anderson. >> did the white house have anything to say about "the new york times"? >> well, the president tweeted out this morning effectively saying that the story is fake and calling the reporting from "the new york times" illegal. the trump campaign came out and called this a political hit job. kayleigh mcenany repeated that. the president can prove "the new york times" wrong. all he has to do is actually release his tax returns. >> boris sanchez, appreciate it.

more on the legal and public accountability implications and someone with such massive debt hanging over him is by definition vulnerable to being compromised. joining us is katie porter. she's a member of two committees with an interest in this, oversight and financial services and also with us tonight, cnn national security analyst and secretary for homeland security ju juliette. as an expert in bankruptcy law, when you look what the times reported on trump's finances, what jumps out at you on a political level, legal level and moral level? >> well, one of the things that jumps out at me is that this is somebody who has failed to give to their country. this is somebody who is a tax dodger, as well as a draft dodger. he gives nothing to his country and yet, he ridicules the men and women that put their lives on the line and make the ultimate sacrifices. >> do you see a legality in, you know, there are -- him paying

ivanka trump, giving her $700,000 or so as a consultant while she's actually an employee of the trump organization. i assume that's a way to pass money to his child in a way that's not taxed. she gets the money. and he gets to take a tax deduction. >> well, i think there is a huge thing between the tax gains and tax tricks and the typical constituent and american family who is simply trying to write a check to cover their taxes. and this is a president who in 2019 passed a tax law that contains more loopholes exactly like this for the wealthy. he's going to increase taxes on many families including those in orange county i represent. >> juliette, the president guaranteed $421 million in debt unprecedented for a sitting president. just if he has another four years, there is no telling that pressure to make money how that's going to influence u.s.

foreign policy, national security policy in relationships with -- he has business in turkey and was that one of the reasons why he abandoned the curds and allowed after a brief phone call from erdogan, allowed turkey to wipe the curds away? >> that's exactly right. i don't think theis is a story about taxes. the congress woman is correct to say it's a potential for tax loopholes or abuse but this is a story about his debt and only his debt. the reason why is because generally in national security, you would never hire someone if he's an intel analyst. you would never hire anyone with excessive debt. one is they are desperate. they will do things to pay off that debt. the other is more important, as the proverbs tell us, the borrower is the servant of the lender and the lender, whoever it is, it could be deutsche bank or a foreign country or a

dictator or another family member, who knows. the lender has undo unfinfluenc over the borrower. it could be deutsche bank holds most of this 400 million and it's not russia. we have what countries are willing to lower the debt that trump has in sort of in a bargain with trump. it doesn't matter if deutsche bank has the 400 million debt with trump. it is other countries or people willing to pay off the debt for trump. he's in a world of trouble and he needs people to bring down the debt because he will be a private citizen in a few months. >> congresswoman, you know, it raises questions about why did president trump go repeatedly so easy on saudi arabia's leader after the killing of "the washington post" reporter in the consulate there?

>> no, it absolutely raises those questions of national security but as someone that sits on the financial services committee and oversight committee, i am concerned about the president's relationship with deutsche bank as well because he's got the secretary of the treasury that will reserve people. he's pressing a tax law to the benefit of those big banks who he owes. this is the $421 million question. what will president trump do to please his creditors whether foreign or domestic? >> congresswoman, what would you like to see from a congressional standpoint being done in terms of looking into this? >> yeah, i have a bill called the transparency and executive branch finances act that would require the president, the vice president and other high ranking officials to make their tax returns public and to do so for the five previous years. i think this is something that frankly, the american public should have access to before the

2016 election. i'm glad they are getting this information before 2020 so that they can use it in their decision making. >> juliette, i guess, if he gets another term in office and debts come due, you know, there is a whole set of challenges what does he do to try to get bailed out? >> that's exactly right. we don't have much transparency wha while he's president. his sort of, let's just say, what's the right word, his eagerness to stay in power to the extent he's essentially threatening or having people threaten violence there won't be a peaceful transition is scary but also filled with desperation. so the last couple weeks begin to make sense to us. this is someone who is going to have significant liabilities once he's apr private sin zciti. if he remains president, he may

be able to sell the liabilities whose interest is not the united states. that's my last point. we have not talked about the united states interest. they are not necessarily aligned with the trump families so for many that's the take away of a massive review of the taxes, this is a person, this is a president who is tied to something, we don't know who but a creditor and a creditor has a lot of influence over the debtor especially given the amount of money that we're talking about. >> congresswoman porter, i'm sure many members of congress will say what they want to do to hold the president accountable. congress is not able to hold the president accountable for much of anything. why will this be any different? >> hopefully he'll step up. this is an issue of political pressure of the american people making this demand for his tax returns and continuing to ask good tough questions of this president about how his financial interest is causing him to act in this presidency in his self-interest. i think the american public

really is hurt when they have a president who dodges one of the fundamental obligations of citizen ship, which is to be part of providing for things we all need, schools and roads and military safety. this is a president who claims that he is really committed to rebuilding the american military and yet, has not paid one penny in the income tax or doing so in ten of the last 15 years. we have servicemen and women struggling to make ends meet around the country. >> congresswoman porter, appreciate your time. more on how donald trump operated as a businessman and whether the times reporting rings any bells for those he worked with. joining me is former president and chief operating officer of trump plaza casino and the author of "trumped" spectacular fall. jack, you saw donald trump's failures in atlantic city firsthand. how when you read "the new york times" reporting did it -- i

mean, what did you think? >> anderson, deja vu all over again. it is the same story. nobody was surprised he is going to take advantage of every loophole legal or possibly not. that's donald trump. the thing that surprised me is he is once again put himself in a position to risk it all. and i think that that's really significant in this case and the 90s and 2000s, this man has a mass $3.2 billion worth of debt and he somehow managed to renegotiate that three times with banks and bond holders and each time he defaulted on them. what happened now is he's got for years he hasn't been able to borrow from those legitimate sources so i think from some of the other people saying tonight and this is what jumped out at

me is who is lending him this money and not so much who is lending it but who is guaranteeing the money to him? back then he had his father to guarantee his loans. today he doesn't have that. >> his dad used to guarantee his loans? >> absolutely. the entire trump organization including his fathers in real estate back then and a famous story where donald was defaulting on a loan on a castle hotel and casino, he needed $3.2 million and his father sent an attorney into the casino, deposited the money at the cage and walked away with chips, which is in essence a loan the way the casino operates. >> he got some attorney to buy $3 million worth of chips? >> absolutely. his father walked -- had an attorney walk in with $3.2 million in cash. they deposited it at the age and walked out with chips.

so if you don't redeem those chips, that money stays in the bank. >> wow. wonder if he still has those chips somewhere as a momentum and looks at them and laughs every night. president trump branded and sold himself as this enormous business success and stable genius. it's -- i mean, it was known that it wasn't true back then but a lot of people believed it and probably a lot of people still believe it. >> yeah, you know, it's amazing to me, anderson, because he just has a record of, you know, buying assets for x amount of dollars, say it's $200 million and then he burrougorrows $400 t that. he sets businesses up to fail since day one. the taj ma hall brought him down $1.9 billion of debt in atlantic city. there was no way his casinos could be successful simply because of the money that he borrowed despite the fact that some of these properties like

mine were generating huge amounts of cash annually. my property spit off $130 million worth of free cash every year and he managed to blow that. >> what is so interesting to me about this, a lot of big business people have financial issues and problems and go up and they go down. but for trump, you know, what's -- i think why some people are gleeful about this is because it so goes against how he's portrayed himself and hypocrisy but also how he defines himself and when you realize that the one thing that really matters to donald trump, which is money and his notoriety and seeing his name only buildings and being famous, when you realize that that's actually just built on a fraud or appears to be built on a financial house that's collapsed, it tells you that his very image -- the one thing he cares about is failing.

>> yeah, and anderson, i think we all know he's very good at denying failure, whether it's covid orbi business, whatever i might be. he denies, denies. that's donald trump. >> appreciate it. thank you very much. >> thank you. coming up next, kind of -- well, the other story with the potential reshape the rest of the presidential campaign, the debate, a live preview and a conversation with the man that ran the last campaign and a rapid covid test and the potential it may have for everyone. dr. sanjay gupta joins us with the facts we all should know. we're all finding ways to keep moving. and at fidelity, you'll get planning and advice to help you prepare for the future, without sacrificing what's most important to you today. because with fidelity, you can feel confident that the only direction you're moving is forward.

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on any other night, this would be the lead story. the tax story will play tomorrow and could reshape how people who tune into the event view it? joining us is arlet. do we have details how the trump and biden campaigns are preparing? >> reporter: anderson, joe biden and president trump have gone after each other from a far for a little over a year now. but tomorrow night here in cleveland, they will come face-to-face for the first time in this first presidential debate. each of the candidates has been preparing in their own way. joe biden started out by reading through briefing books and he's

been huddling with his advisors over the past few days as he's been strategizing how to respond. on the president's part, he has also been studying up on possible line of attack that biden could lob his way. he said rudy giuliani and chris christie at times stood in for biden as he prepares for the debate. how the president's taxes will play into the debate? the biden campaign argues this just feeds into their narrative that this campaign is one between scranton middle class values and park avenue suggesting that the president is only worried about his own interest rather than those of everyday americans. now, on the trump campaign's part, they had a little bit of mixed messaging when it comes to what they expect biden's debate performance to be like. today they told republican members of congress to talk about that biden shouldn't be under estimated in this debate.

that he has plenty of years of experience debating and in public life in the past they have tried to question biden's mental acuity heading into the debate. on the biden campaign, they argue and democrats believe this debate will do fundamentally little to change the race. you hear expirations for both campaigns. >> do we know much about the format and timing of the debate itself? >> well, this debate will be completely different than other debates due to the coronavirus pandemic. it will cover six topics chosen by chris wallace of fox news and the candidates will forgo the traditional handshake and socially distant and a much more smaller, limited audience due to coronavirus and everyone on hand has been tested for covid-19 before they enter that debate hall. just several of the many

precautions that the debate commission is taking in order to ensure the safety of the candidates, the audience members and media heading into this debate tomorrow night. >> thanks very much. we are learning how each side is preparing, tomorrow will be the only true test of it on the biden side because whoever plays donald trump cannot replicate what it's like to face the man on a stage. >> look, it's just not true and so please -- >> oh, you didn't delete them? >> allow her to respond. >> over 33,000? >> not -- well, we turned over 35,000. >> oh, yeah, what about the other 15,000? >> please allow her to respond. she didn't talk while you talked. >> that's true. i didn't. >> because you have nothing to say. >> it's just awfully good that someone with the temperament of donald trump is not in charge of the law in our country. >> because you'd be in jail. >> what we want to do is to replenish -- >> such a nasty woman. honesty. that's the big difference

between abraham lincoln and you. >> he didn't pay any federal income tax. >> that makes me smart. >> someone with a back stage view of those debates. thanks for being with us. what in your view should the vice president be prepared for tomorrow for president trump and how did secretary clinton prepare for those debates? >> well, i think what he needs to do is go in prepared to talk to the american public. this is a chance of a summer of clrks covid where campaigning is restriblgted we had 84 million people, the largest debate audience ever for the first debate and that's what he should expect and he needs to talk directly to them. he knows that trump is going to try to interfere with that and you just played a good deal of what he's likely to do, attack, attack, attack. i think he needs to push back where it's appropriate but

mostly, he needs to talk to the american people. >> you know, it's interesting because vice president biden, i don't know if it's weeks or months ago but he said he'd fact check him on stage which seems like a recipe for disaster. it's not a format you can eat up all your time fact checking a donald trump and not get anything of your own out there. >> yeah, exactly. i would -- you know, i don't think chris wallace will fact check him and i don't think joe biden should fact check him. there will be plenty of that coming after the debate. what he needs to do, though, is, you know, be firm, push back when trump is interfering with what he's trying to say. lay out the plans. he spent the summer laying out concrete plans what he wants to do on covid-19 and how it would get control of the virus and what he wants to do to get the

economy in better shape putting people to work and attacking the climate crisis, the racial justice crisis. he needs to get some of that in front of the american people so they know what he is going to do. i think what he's best at is projecting that he is on the side of the middle class. that's biden's strength. and i think this tax story will give them the opportunity to contrast what donald trump has been about his whole life and what joe biden has been about his whole life, fighting for middle class people. >> president trump has his own facts but he makes stuff up and just repeats it. if, you know, we've heard from the biden campaign he's reading binders with information and research and stuff, factual stuff. biden is arguing facts and trying to recite facts, there is a danger that, i mean, donald trump is playing a. d-- different game and i'm

curious for the viewing public is how much they want to hear facts on joe biden's position or they want to see the dynamic between these two people and whether joe biden can hold up to it and whether president trump can hold up to it.and whether j up to it and whether president trump can hold up to it.two peon can hold up to it and whether president trump can hold up to it. >> yeah, what he needs to do is not come into the debate hall like he's practicing for some phd exam and throw out a lot of facts. what he needs to do is sell a story. what does he want to do for the american people. what are his values? contrast those with trump. tell stories what he wants to fight for and, you know, push trump back but because of his failures. he's on high ground when he's hitting him on any president since world war ii and donald

trump could be on solid ground by criticizing the factual record of what trump has done but most importantly, get in front of the american people who he's fighting for and what he wants to do. >> i've noticed one thing joe biden does in debates is stops himself when the light goes or when his time is up. which is a very rare thing. in a debate most people go over and wait to be shushed by the moderator. i'm very curious to see how joe biden responds when donald trump is doing what he did to secretary clinton in the second debate, talking while she's talking, interjecting, trying to throw person off their game. >> yeah, look, i think he plays by the rules in debates more than he probably should and probably that he's going to afford to tomorrow night. he's going to have to i think confront trump when trump tries to blow up the format. and hopefully, you know, look, you've been there, anderson, you know how difficult sometimes it can be to get people to stick to

what the agreed upon rules are. but biden can't kind of fall victim to being the person who is playing by the rules while trump is violating all the rules. having said that, you know, he can't just be on his side of the playing field, either. he's got to get his message across and i think he can do that but if it means going over a little bit or shutting trump up when he needs to, i think, you know, that would be appropriate and i think the american public would like to see that. >> both men have been known to lose their tempers on the campaign trail. you know, we've seen president trump yelling off in interviews and at reporters and we've also seen joe biden out on the campaign trail getting in somebody's face over something somebody said to him face-to-face. i don't know if losing one's thump e temper is a good thing or bad

thing. >> it depends what you're losing your temper over. if he takes unfair cheap shots at his family, then i think going back at him and losing your temper a little bit is perfectly appropriate. on the other hand, look, biden is going to be well prepared for this debate and, you know, it's not like the causal encounter on a rope line. he'll be well prepared, know what he needs to trump particularly on covid-19 but also on the other ways that he's broken his promises to the american people to be the president of the middle class. now we know obviously when it comes to his own personal finances the only thing he cares about, which we knew already is himself. so i think he's got a lot to work with. he just needs to be disciplined, not get thrown off but trump's antics but you can bet there will be antics.

you remember his stalking across the stage and the town hall debate with hillary. i think hillary regrets not turning around and smacking him back. >> "the new york times", and in erm thes terms of reporting on taxes, it plays to what -- the taxes out there in 2016, certainly not to this degree but it was an issue. seb ev secretary clinton brought it up on the debate stage and it didn't seem to resonate. >> i think he's now the president of the united states and when you're the president of the united states and you're paying $750 and there are people out fighting wars for this country when there are teachers who pay more than that in taxes and front line workers fighting the pandemic paying a lot more than that in taxes, then it becomes less of a reality tv

show, you know, you can blow it off as saying of course i did. you know, that's -- i'm proud of the fact that i don't care about my country. i don't care about the people who are on the front lines fighting for their communities. i only care about myself. i think it has a different quality in this moment and in this atmosphere and that number, $750 in federal income tax is something that i think people can reflect on and relate to because they know they're paying a lot more. >> john, appreciate it. thank you. >> thanks, anderson. one topic tomorrow, election security. the president questions the integrity of the vote except in florida and of course, the president uses unfounded allegations to raise those things. abby phillip for plans in place for an election that could be like no other. >> reporter: democratic officials say an army of lawyers are preparing for election scenarios president trump

himself floated from sending law enforcement to monitor polls to having the election decided many congress. >> we have an advantage if we go back to congress. does everyone understand that? >> reporter: it could put the fate at the house of representatives elected with each state delegation getting one vote, republicans currently have a 26-22 advantage. speaker nancy pelosi is ready for this possibility. > i have been working on this for awhile. i've been working on it almost every scheme he might have to steal the election. >> reporter: sending a let tore her caucus urging them to focus on winning a majority of state delegations in november and flipping the senate. we must achieve that majority of delegations or keep republicans from doing so and trump floated the idea of an election decided in the supreme court like bush v gore in 2000. >> i think this will end up in the supreme court and i think it's important we have nine

justices. >> reporter: one of the florida judges at the center of that recount that sided with bush to stop the count and since retired making his fears of trump clear in a rare letter to colleagues saying trump is a threat to democracy and giving only one real solution. >> there will not be a problem if democrats win the senate and biden wins the presidency. the problem will result if there is continued to be a divide between the house and the senate. >> reporter: trump falsely claiming voter fraud is ramped. many things are already going very wrong. the president has been building a case against absentee ballots for months, none of which is based on facts. wide spread voter fraud is largely non-exist tablent in th united states. >> you can forget about november

3rd. you'll be counting those forever and it's very dangerous for our country. >> reporter: there are real risks for the election. the fbi issuing its latest election warning this time about fake cyberattacks. they caution the public to be wary of internet claims of voter data and compromised structure that manipulate opinion and discredit the process. today courts in new york and pennsylvania ordered the post office to stop policy changes that would slow down the mail. echoing last week's settlement with the post office forcing it to prioritize election mail. abby phillip, cnn, washington. >> up next, breaking news on the fight against coronavirus and a pledge on testing. details when we continue. ♪ if you're gonna be an entrepreneur, it'll be the hardest thing you've ever done in your life. we are six locations, about to be seven locations and 250 team members. covid changed a lot of things.

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there is more breaking news. the death toll from the coronavirus surpassed 205,000 human beings. if the testing fulfilled would deploy 150 million rapid tests to states. the president talked about the same plan in late august but few details and nbc news reports the cdc directors over heard on an ai airplane on a phone call talking about dr. scott atlas. redfield says everything he says is false. i want to bring in dr. sanjay gupta and dr. richard besser, the former acting director of the cdc. these abbott lab tests, i think admiral says that the public

health admiral says that they're a game changer, are they? >> well, i would not call them a game changer. clearly, more testing is needed and great to see more testing going out. but what you want to see as a game changer is the president and the country coming together around doing the things that are going to prevent transmission. so wearing masks, social jis ta distancing and hand washing. it's a good sign with testing available if it leads to identification of cases quickly so they can be controlled and reduce the chances of spread. >> sanjay, are the tests reliable? >> they're pretty good tests. they're getting better. the thing about the tests, the concern about a false positive is that it finds a coronavirus but doesn't happen to be this coronavirus. that p happens sometimes. a false negative, someone is told they are free and clear but in fact, the test missed the virus.

the way i've looked at these tests quite a bit. these abbott tests, the way they have this emergency use authorization, the studies presented were in people that had symptoms and those symptoms were within the last seven days and with that, they said they were 95% sensitive. that's pretty good. it should translate pretty well to people who are even asymptomatic because we know people can still carry a lot of virus in their nose and mouth if they don't have symptoms. they are a good test. they aren't as good as the pcr test but if you have lots of tests thanks overall improves the acre urcuracy within large s of people. >> they are sending them out to states, how would people actually get these tests? who would get them? >> yeah, so i've gotten so many calls today from people who said okay, we heard the 150 million tests, where are they? that's one of the questions. what they're saying they will be going to vulnerable populations, nursing homes, things like that but start giving them to

schools, as well, primary schools, k through 12 to try to help schools test students and faculty and hopefully reopen. the issue and we've talked about this for sometime, i think this is what rich is saying, as well. you need a lot more tests to do that. you can be negative today and possibly positive tomorrow. you know, guys like mike at harvard talk about the idea that could we get to the point where you have a test that you can do every day like when you brush your teeth if you're positive, you stay home. if you're negative, you're able to go do things. we're clearly nowhere close to that yet. that would be 350 million tests a day. >> the president and vice president have repeatedly warned with an increase in testing cases numbers go up and the president adding in low risk populations but of course, testing doesn't create new cases here. >> no, it doesn't. it allows you to see what's going on, and one of the things about the use of testing is it's really important that as states do more testing, one that they

mandate reporting because there is a lot of testing going on now around universities that isn't getting into the system. which is a problem with numbers and accuracy and the other is ensuring data is broken down so you can see what is going on in every neighborhood by every zip code, breaking down by race, ethnicity and gender and every part of you're ensuring that every part of your community is getting the resources they need under control. >> the go to guy who has the president's ear redfield, fauci, don't really meet with the president. redfield was heard on the plane telling everyone what he said was false. how concerning is it, that all the experts, the best in the

world, fauci, birx on epidemics are sidelined and on the outside looking in while a guy who's from what i understand a radiologist and maybe a very good radiologist and there's nothing -- that's an important thing, but he's not a -- as far as i know an -- he doesn't have a lifetime career like fauci. >> he's an outlier, what he's basically saying is, look, the public health community has a consensus on many of these big issues, masks, and herd immunity, and things like that. there are worthy debates and discussions. what the president has done is doctor shop. this is what happens in the real world sometimes. you have patients that are seeing 10 different doctors, they're going to find a doctor that is going to tell them what they want to hear. you can keep searching and

you'll find someone who does that. that's what's happening at the national level here. the president has gone doctor shopping on behalf of all of us. the fact that you have infectious disease doctors, they're the best doctors in the world at what they do are being marginalized. the president who has found somebody who will say what he wants to hear. >> for his part, the cdc released a statement saying, that dr. red 2350e8d and atlas have different positions on three issues. the value of wearing a mask, and where we are currently with herd immunity, those seem like three pretty important positions, no? >> they're not only important positions. but the idea that a fringe position is having an influence in the white house task force is fright nirng. we have many of the world's leading experts in public health, infectious disease pandemic control.

dr. fauci was quoted today raising great concern in terms of the number of cases going into the winter and flu season. if that's running counter to what dr. atlas is saying, that's a very very concerning situation. >> dr. besser, sanjay, thanks so much. you may have seen this at the bottom of your screen. the death toll has just crossed 1 million. more breaking news ahead, there's new police video in the breonna taylor case, what it shows and what it could mean next. searching for a way to help stop your cold sore?

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breaking news out of louisville tonight. the aftermath inside the apartment where breonna taylor was killed. there's no footage for the area where the shots were fired. >> this is video of the aftermath, the moments immediately after the 14509ing. it's important to keep in mind, what it shows the former detective that was indicted. walking through the crime scene, he's talking about some of the shell casings that were fired and recovered. and in this video, you see him going into the apartment which is raising questions about the

integrity of the crime scene. here's that video, anderson. >> right there. >> there? >> there it is in there. i back out until -- that's another -- the guy's visible. >> you also -- it's hard to see really, to telch from that, you also knew reporting about the emotion of grand jury in the case is filed. >> yeah, so this is pretty unprecedented. a grand juror who served on the jury that indicted the former detective has now filed a motion with the court asking the court to release information about exactly what evidence was presented by the attorney general, there are all sorts of

questions being raised about what the attorney general exactly -- what he exactly presented as it related to breonna taylor, and family and lawyers for breonna taylor are wondering whether or not any evidence about her death was presented to this grand jury. this grand juror in this motion seems to indicate that the attorney general mischaracterized what he presented to the grand jury when he held that press conference, anderson. >> the former detective also appeared in court today? >> he did. it was his arraignment, he pleaded not guilty. the judge said he wanted prosecutor prosecutors filed by wednesday. there is the possibility that on wednesday we could for the first time get our view, a view inside the grand jury when those recordings are filed if they're made public we will get access to them, anderson.

the news continues tonight, i want to hand it over for chris. >> the president's dirty secrets have been exposed. tonight we can finally answer the question of why the president didn't want you to see his taxes. this is more than ample proof of all kinds of problems for the president. you'll see tonight that between what we have learned and now we have a much better understanding of what we need to know. we're own an entirely new footing in terms of this analysis of this president and potential problems for him. you will now understand why the president has done certain things with the covid rel