hello, everybody. i'm john king in washington. thanks so much for sharing this very, very important day with us. it's presidential debate night in america, exactly five weeks to election day. one certain flashpoint, president trump's late campaign supreme court pick and judge amy coney barrett making her courtesy calls, beginning them this morning up on capitol hill. a friendly start, a meeting with the vice president and senate majority leader. that to open a bruising confirmation battle over health care, abortion rights and just the very question of whether the election winner should be making this pick. coronavirus is another debate topic and the daily trends tell us the virus moving in a troublesome direction but there is more evidence that the administration is quite fine if you don't know that, if you don't pay attention to the numbers. the former white house officials admits to pressuring the cdc to

downplay the risks of reopening america's schools and dr. anthony fauci says the white house still stops him from going on tv to explain the state of affairs. the president and democrat joe biden will share a stage in cleveland, ohio. a no handshake allowed rule, one more reminder that this is the pandemic campaign, a campaign like no other. were 35 days away from election day and this first presidential debate is a 90-minute national platform to real supporters and try to reach an persuade the few voters, tiny slice who are still undecided but not locked n.candidate trump was the outsider and disrupter in the 2016 debates and he's embattled incumbent in this 2020 sequel pack on his heels entering the race. the race now tilts heavily towards joe biden and new pennsylvania polling making the democrats' advantage more than clear. the path to 270 for the president without pennsylvania

is improbable but not impossible and get this. the president has spent little time in debate prep, roughly two hours and add this to the president's debate challenge, more reporting about the "new york times" about his personal wealth. the ream of tax documents obtained by the "times" was a fraud. when "apprentice" debuted mr. trump had reported a nearly $90 million loss from his core businesses the prior year. $90 billion. that might come up in the debate, too. 9:00 p.m. eastern is debate time and jessica dean is outside the debate hall in cleveland. a very big night ahead, jessica. >> reporter: john t.certainly is this has been one of the most anticipated nights of the entire election. we remember talking in the primary. primary voters were talking about who would best hold up to donald trump on a debate stage, and here we are in cleveland, ohio h.as you mentioned this is going to be a debate unlike any other because of the pandemic.

we've got a 90-minute debate set to take place tonight. we know there will be no opening statements. president trump will get the first question in this debate, and there are six set topics right now that chris wallace, the moderator is expected to cover. that includes both men's records, the supreme court, covid, the economy, race and violence in cities and election integrity. now, as for preparation for this debate, well, it's yet another study in contrast between the two men running for president of the united states. president trump, as you mentioned, spending very little time on debate preparations, about roughly two hours. we did see rudy giuliani and. >> colin: -- and chris christie with him standing in as joe biden and on the other hand joe biden has been studying a lot. has spent the weekend really in debate preparation which is customary leading up to these presidential debates. he has been working with aides.

they have done some mock debates but we're told he likes the rapid fire questions that he's been studying briefing books, so yet again, a study in contrast there. the biden campaign is expected personal attacks from president trump. that's something they have focused on. we're also told that the team, his team, biden's team doesn't expect him to fact check everything that president trump says, but instead they want him to continue to hammer home two major points, john, that you've heard from vice president biden over and over again on this campaign trail, and that is the coronavirus pandemic and this public health crisis that the united states is facing as well as the economic crisis that it's facing and really they want to continue to bring home that point that it was president trump's lack of leadership that's led us to this moment now. >> jessica dean on the scene for us. thanks so much for the live report. >> cnn's jeff zeleny and seung

min kim of the "columbus post." trump paid little in taxes and debating the impact. if you look at polling, if you look at the state of the race, the president is the underdog. he was the disrupter. he was the slasher, the aggressor back in 2016. do they have a different approach this time understanding ohio is in play which tells you everything that you need to know. new pennsylvania numbers today saying joe biden has a health he lead, really hard to get the president re-elected without pennsylvania. what is the strategy going in? >> exactly. i mean, right now, republicans have told us for so much of this year that once this becomes a contrast choice between president trump and the eventual democratic nominee that it will be more equal footing ground, that's not been the case and it's 35 days out from the election and there's a referendum on him, his handling of the pandemic, the economy and everything else that's happened this year but the strategy

really hasn't changed all too. president trump is not someone who is known for preparation. he is seeing kind of all of these impromptu gaggles and press conference that he has with the media on a regular basis as kind of his debate prep, that's what sources are telling us, and we will see -- we will see how the president kind of aims to get under the former vice president's skin tonight, but he is certainly the underdog here. i mean, the real key thing to remember is that vice president biden has many multiple paths to victory considering his higher polling in the battleground states that you just mentioned. president trump really has to nail down all these key states like florida, pennsylvania, and it is a struggle for him right now. >> it's a struggle, jeff zeleny, you can deal with one state if you have a one-state problem. it's hard change a big dynamic in the race, when clear majorities don't approve of how you've handled the big issues, our cnn poll of polls. this is the average of the

recent big national polls, and joe biden right now 51/43 which gives an eight-point lead. don't overinvest in national polls. if you see the national lead by either candidate get down inside five then you start thinking we've got a competitive race state by state but eight-point national lead suggests biden is in good position or we can look at it. this is our road to 270, and if you look at our electoral map right now, dark blue are solid biden and light blue leaning biden, he's at 269, now we know from 2016 this map can change and can change fast but all joe biden would have to do if nothing else changed on that match is win a congressional district in maine. if he took pennsylvania off the board, game over. >> indeed, in maine or in nebraska, of course, the second congressional district there which both campaigns are spending a lot of money on, but, john, there is no question that this is joe biden. he's driving this race, but i think tonight following the debate a lot of democrats will be breathing easier once they see this first side by side

performance. this is no ordinary debate. yes, joe biden has debated many times during the primary, memorably against sarah palin and paul ryan anded is a pretty good debater. the white house has start of started to dial back the lowering of the expectations but reality is this. for president trump, this is one of his last best opportunities to try and reframe this conversation to make joe biden an unacceptable alternative. he's been unable to do that so far this week and millions of people either are voting or had their ballots in front of them and will be voting so time is running out on that score. what joe biden is going to try to do, and he's watched a lot of trump debates, he,s going to talk about how he is a unifier. i'm told that he's going to not go after the president on every sort of jive he makes, but he's going, to i'm told, say that the country is ready for a president who doesn't exhaust you every day. he's going to be a bit of xan

action for democratic voters but also for some of the independent voters who are just looking to see if joe biden can stand up side by side with the president, so that is one of the dynamics here, but the president without a doubt, he says he doesn't prepare. the reality is he prepares for how he debates, and that is, you know, by having these one-lines and the facts have never necessarily gotten in the way of an argument here, but i'm also told as jessica reported earlier that joe biden is not going to spend his time fact-checking. he'll use this as an argument to get, to you know, perhaps 100 million americans here, the biggest audience yet to make the case why he is the president who did bring a sense of calm to this country. >> i've been doing this for 35 years and i don't think i've ever heard the term xanax used. we've mentioned expectations, sometimes this is a silly game, but the trump team put out an email to supporters the other day because the president himself has dug himself into a hole saying he'll be surprised if joe biden can stay up this

late, saying joe biden can't handle himself. we know from joe biden's debates and convention speech he's pretty decent and the -- that becomes part of the silly conversation but in a way has the president lowered the expectations about joe biden's performance to a point where biden has a lower bar to leap >> well, this is another example of time and time again of where his staff, his campaign, his white house tries to go with one strategy and the messenger in chief, the communicator in chief goes completely a different way. you do see the last-minute attempts from the trump campaign to raise those expectations for vice president biden which is typically what you would do of a challenger, particularly when this debate is so critical to president trump, but it's not -- i mean, those last-minute talking points, those last-minute talking points related to allies, i don't know if that overcomes, you know, months and months of the president tweeting and saying

and calling joe biden sleepy joe and just kind of the messaging that he's had, so the president does have an interesting way of -- of kind of, you know, sizing up his opponents and, you know, this is example where the staff and principal aren't quite on the same page. >> we'll see how it plays out tonight. appreciate help with the preview and make sure watch the first presidential debate. watch is right here live on cnn. our special coverage starts at 7:00 p.m. eastern. up next, no handshafnlgts of course, that's one of the many ways that coronavirus will shape tonight's debate, but first a look back here. how donald trump and hillary clinton's greetings changed from debate number one to debate number two four years ago. >> how are you, donald? >> hello. >> hello. to stir that fire, university of phoenix

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there's a messy internal trump administration coronavirus fight playing out in public today. in a moment some clear direction would be helpful. several of the president's top scientist are worried that the president favors advice from a new member of the team who questions the efficacy of masks and pushes to ease restrictions on businesses. dr. anthony fauci going as far as to call dr. scott atlas an outlier but dr. fauci acknowledges dr. atlas has the president's ear and there's been an aide who confirmed and detailed the pressure put on the cdc to downplay the risks to children reopening schools. this is a sad, sad milestone that the world passed yesterday. more than 1 million, more than 1

million now confirmed coronavirus deaths around the world and many experts think that will double by the time there is widespread availability of a coronavirus vaccine, more than 1 million deaths. you look at it here in the united states, but far leading, i'm not sure that's the right word to use, but the united states leading the world when it comes to coronavirus deaths, brazil, india, mexico and the united round out the list there. the state trend map right now, not good. red and orange are bad. you see 23 states heading in the wrong direction. that means reporting more new infections now than a week ago, 23 states trending in the wrong direction, a lot of the swath out to the northern plains and 20 states holding steady, most of them here. only seven states reporting fewer new infections this week, notably florida, texas and arizona saying fewer new infections this week than last. those three states were a big part of the summer surge. the case trend line here. here's the question mark. which way are we going? it is in debate in the sense that we came town a little bit

from the summer surge, got down below 40,000 you in infections a day and started to trend back up. monday 33000, sunday was also below 40,000. are we going to push the baseline below 40,000? that was the goal, started to get there here, or will we stay above. on average right now the seven-day average of new infections above 40,000. we'll see in the next few days whether that be shoved down or as many people fear because the states are trending up, it starts to go back up. the national positivity rate in coronavirus testing is pushing down, want it below 5%, 3.6% on monday, so that is some progress in the sense of fewer coronavirus tests nationally. some states have a problem but nationally that number is going down some and the testing trend, which eve talked about this for a money. a lot of public health experts would tell you the united states is not doing enough coronavirus testing. you need more tests to have better eyes on the virus that. trend line is going. this is the one line you don't mind going up and it's starting to trend up in the right direction, above 800,000,

approaching 900,000 tests on average across the united states as the united states has said and it's made promises before which is why people are skeptical but it's said it's rushing even more rapid tests out to the state, helpful in schools. the administration testing czar say those who say it isn't enough aren't paying attention. >> i absolutely disagree with the conclusion that these can't make a significant difference because they can. i was on the governor's call today, well, every governor that spoke said that this was a game-change. just imagine your child in school, somebody sniffles, do they have covid or not? you can get a test within 15 minutes right here with a very high sensitivity. if you have covid, diagnoses them, isolate them and do contact trace. >> joining us now is our senior medical expert dr. leanna wen. we can show you clips of admiral

giroir going back seven months and some have turned out not to be true. can they rapid tests be distributed quickly enough to make a difference? >> well, i do think that having more tests rather that be fewers tests is a good thing, and we should also celebrate this concept of rapid point of care test, the 15-minute result because that's the direction we should be going. here's my earn can. 150 million tests sound like a lot but when you consider that we need to be doing tens it of millions of tests every single day that uses up the 150 million pretty quickly and so what we really a need is to have this comprehensive strategy where there's 150 million tests as part of the whole instead of why justifying 150 million is a lot. if you need to be westing kids twice a week and employees twice a week before they go into school and work you use up that 150 million within a week or two. >> that's quick math there.

where are we there, which is a question we ask a lot, and i think it's more flitting to ask today because you see a strange spot in the new infection counts. somewhere around 40,000, did dip down sunday and monday. we'll see if it stays below 40,000 and it's a moment that american people will be tuning in tonight to see their two candidates on a debate stage and the president's handling of the coronavirus heading into the debate, and this is his answer. >> i saw it and i'll say it all the time. we're rounding the corner, and -- and very importantly vaccines are coming, but we're rounding are the corner regardless, but vaccines are coming and they are coming fast. we have four great companies already, and it's going to be added to very rapidly. they are in final stages of testing and from what we're hearing the results are going to be very extraordinary. >> are we rounding the corner regardless of the vaccine pace as the president just said

there? >> no. so two things. first is i wish that the president would stop talking about a vaccine timeline because every time he does it conflates politics and it makes people more suspicious and more distrustful that there isn't going to be political manipulation that influences the vaccine approval pros res and secondly we need to stop misleading the public. it's time that we tell the truth and set the expectation because at this point we're seeing escalating numbers of infections. we're coming into fall and winter season when we're expecting a second wave but not from top of a surging first wave so we're not headed in the right direction. we need to be setting the expectation telling the american people the truth so that there are things we can do. we can be on our guard and look, for example, so many of the new infections that are occurring, they aren't in formal settings. it's not necessarily in the schools or in universities. it's all these activities that are happening around schools, in play dates, in dinner parties, when people really let down their guard around family

members and friends. those are things that we can do right now, keep on wearing masks, limit indoor gatherings. the president should be setting that expectation so that the american people can do a weekend to protect ourselves. >> dr. wen, as always, grateful it. thank you. >> thank you. >> this just into us, related story, the first signs of potential coronavirus outbreak impacting the nfl. tennessee titans and the minnesota vikings are suspending in-person activities like practices indefinitely after three titans players and five team staffers tested positive for covid-19. the vikings have not announce had had yet any positive cases among their ranks, but they did play the titans this past sunday. up next, the state of the race. we look at the key polls heading into the first presidential debate tonight.

let's take a closer look at the state of the pmial race as we down the down to the first presidential debate and if you look at the map it is advantage biden, heading into debate number one without question. look at the national polls and the state ballot gound polls. we have the democrat joe biden

at 269 electoral votes, solid blue, lighter blue, leaning biden's way. right now 2269. it takes 270 to win so look at the map. the yellows are the tossup. if joe biden wins anything, a congressional district here, in nebraska and maine, the two states that allocate congress a.m. votes, tossups in ohio, north carolina, pennsylvania, georgia and florida, all carried by the president four years ago, tossup states right now. let's look at one of them had. we eel go through the scenario the next five weeks many times but let's look at one in the context of this. brand-new polling out. this is the latest, a handful of polls over the last week to ten days in pennsylvania that showed joe biden consistently ahead and look at this lead. nine points in "the washington post"/abc poll in the commonwealth of pennsylvania, one of the states that the president flipped blue to red and the key to the victory. this the tells you the steep hill as the president enters the debate tonight in pennsylvania and nationally really. yes, a slight edge on the

economy on pennsylvania voters but look at this. joe biden 14-point advantage on the coronavirus, a lead on crime and safety and huge lead on race relations, a lead on the supreme court and a giant lead on health care. the big issues facing the voters, this is the commonwealth of pennsylvania, advantage biden. why do we focus so much on pennsylvania? because it was so important to the president four years ago and because of this math. look at this 269-169. if joe biden takes, that it's game over. it's 20 electoral votes. as the president tries to find a comeback path he needs the big ones like florida, the big ones like ohio, the big ones like pennsylvania. it's hard to make it up for the president as he loses this 20 right there. that's why pennsylvania is so critical and both campaigns throwing a lot of money into tv ads. >> if you elect me your taxes are going to be raised, not cut. >> what does that mean for you? >> more taxes taken out of your paycheck. an economy in ruins. president trump is bringing jobs back. >> to our seniors, social security is a sacred obligation,

a sacred promise made. the current president is threatening to break that promise. i will not let that happen. >> the democratic pollster and republican pollsters join us now. i want to start with you, neil, just team if a size the point. it's one state. the president has other paths to get to 270 but given the makeup and composition of pennsylvania, how important it was in 2016. when you look at the polling numbers that show biden's consistent lead, nine points that have new poll today, how difficult does that till that the president's path to a comeback this year? >> john, there's no question the president is behind. i mean, every poll shows it right now, and in order to win this race he's got to do the same thing he did in 2016 which is essentially, you know, thread the electoral college need. i mean, this is a -- it's a very tough challenge, but it all starts with tonight. if he's going to come back. if he's going to come back and win the race it has to start

tonight. he has to put joe biden on the defensive, and he's got to make the case for his presidency. >> and margie, you know, we all lived through 2016 so that gives democrats a sense of jitters i guess is one word. i could use less polite words. no question as neil just noted joe biden has the advantage heading into this first debate and hats advantage that is bigger than the advantage hillary clinton had four years ago but you do look around and democrats arer innious. this is a monmouth university poll, looking at swing counties, counties that is swing back and forth in presidential politics. trump 47 and biden 46. if -- when you look at the numbers and you look at the map, what is the one concern you hope joe biden deals with tonight? >> well, you know, we're all going to be watching to see what the president says about a whole host of thing. saw the advertising on pens pension. it's really rich that he's talking about people's tax bill and paying too much in taxes given how little he's paid in tax tes. the numbers -- i agree with

neil. the numbers are consistent. they are consistent in pennsylvania and nationally and they are consistent in states that were not even considered ballot grounds. they are consistent not just at the top of the ticket in the senate races and congressional raced and everybody who feels mobilized across the country. i think the manish uis making sure people vote, that they know how to vote, that they feel comfortable voting given the changes to vote and shevote in person, by mail, absentee, that's the main challenge for both candidates and certainly it's one that the campaign should focus on. >> both of you know the numbers better than me, from the monmouth poll, how likely will had the debate change your mind, very likely or somewhat likely? only 13% say that, not likely 87% so, neil, most voters, not surprising, the numbers were very similar four years ago. we live in a polarized world. if you're an incumbent and you are behind, how do you get people? what is the key to get people to give you a second look?

>> well, first of all, 13% is more than enough to change the course of this election. >> yes, it is. >> no question about it. >> but, you know, john, we've been talking about this for months and the need for the trump campaign to turn this from a referendum on donald trump and his presidency to a choice, and that's what he has to do tonight. he has to demonstrate there's a choice between these two candidates and he's got to put joe biden on the defensive. there's no question that this is his -- maybe his last best chance to begin to turn this around. >> last best chance, good way to put it. when had you look at it, margie, again, it's the first debate but the first one tends to get a big audience and the first one is people make their mind, especially with all the early investigate. a lot of people have even voted before the first few day disease and many will be doing so in the next few days. you can look at the different voting groups. the president has an advantage among men and white voters, white voters but the a degree

and joe biden a giant lead with women, white voters with degrees and he's performing, seniors has been a constituency trended towards the republicans in recent years and biden is doing well. again insure a debate context, do you tell your candidate walking out on the stage this is the one thing you must do and if it's joe biden what is it? >> i think he needs to demonstrate the way he's not like the president and that's just compassion, showing understanding, showing mastery of the facts and showing a real focus on the -- you know, hundreds of thousands of families who have lost someone from the coronavirus. we have now polling out today that shows that 40% of americans say that someone in their household has lost jobs or wages or hours as a result of the coronavirus. joe biden can speak to that. president trump doesn't seem to. >> margie and neil, appreciate your perspective. we'll continue this perspective.

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south dakota right now breaking records you don't want to break. the number of coronavirus cases in hospitalizations in the state. south dakota sigs its highest cases here. right now it has the highest positivity rates but the governor says no plans to issue new restrictions. you can see the seven-day average and this is what it looks like in sioux falls, the mayor of sioux falls joins us now. the case count is going up. we talked months ago. you had meat packing issues and clusters. is it something like that? is it schools or is it a little bit of everything? >> john, hey, thanks for having me back. good to see you. i think it's a little bit of everything. when we got back to school in fall, schools were all open, colleges are back, meeting in

person, we're having events aik that. we are at a state that values personal freedoms and values liberties and because of that we haven't had a lot of restrictions. we haven't had a lot of lockdowns or government mandates, and with that comes an increase in cases, and so we're certainly surging right new and we're not -- not hiding from that fact. we also know though that our health care systems are very comfortable with what they are seeing right now. they are operating at a pretty intense level in terms of the cases they are seeing, it's not unprecedented so we continue to rely on, you know, what they tell us in terms of their confidence level to treat patients? let's dig a little deeper. we have from your city the hospitalization chart and if you look at the trend line it tells you, you know, that's not good. you don't want to seat lines heading up in terms of hospitalizations, but you say when you check in with the administrators, they tell you, you know, it's not as great -- not as good as yesterday but not

in a trouble spot yet, is that right? >> yeah, that's correct. weave had the luxury of preparing for this surge for months now had. we ear about six, seven months into this coronavirus situation, so we've been preparing for our surge for a long time. you know, our hospital systems have operate actually at these sorts of levels in the past pre-covid so it's not rare. it's not uncertain waters that we're in. that being said, of course, we want to see the hospitalization numbers decrease, and so what we're talk being, you know, more of a light touch government approach to mandates hadn't lockdowns and we're really wamping up messaging. asking people, hey, this is what we expect of you. if we take a personal freedom approach that comes with responsibility. that comes with mask-wearing when you feel it's appropriate. that comes with social distancing it, and, you know, our health care systems have appreciated that approach. we stay in touch with them on a daily basis and they say be with the messaging and continue to double down on the messaging with the public and know that we're still in a good spot from

a bed capacity, it icu capacity and ventilator capacity to treat covid patients in our state. >> one of the reasons why we like to check in with you, and i think it's important that people around the country understand and respect that the 50 states are different and you're out more to the west and in the prayers where there is more culture. we don't like the government telling us what to do. that's one. reasons people moved out that way in the beginning when the country was being settled so it's important that people listen and respect and then there's question as you said of personal responsibility. if you don't want restrictions you better behave. don't be in a position where the government has to put restrictions on you. a video by the governor went viral. she's make the case we want to on thor our culture and traditions and we're doing fine. >> i'm governor of south dakota. this is how we do disturbancing in our state. >> that was great. >> more hunting, that's the plan for the future. >> less covid, more hunting.

now, again, that went viral. some people say saying it's not a serious message to send at this time and other people are saying there's the governor outdoors no, one is around here. she's trying to say there are ways to do that. what's your take on that? >> first of off, i don't know how many governors that can hill a bird in three shots show the governor is a good shot and good hunter. i'll say this. you said it it earlier. every state is different. every state is handling this different. we in south dakota have taken like i said a light touch approach from a government regulation standpoint relying more on the residents and our citizens to do the right thing. i can certainly appreciate that approach. it's certainly made the phone ring in south dakota from businesses and residents that are interested in coming to a state that is allowing people those personal freedoms, so we're balancing this economy, public health with surge call precision. it's very hard but i continue to appreciate the approach that the governor is taking. >> mr.-makers we'll check back in with you and wish you look at

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james baker is a man that understands the presidency and the politics of withining the presidency. so it is noteworthy he calls president trump nuts and crazy. now baker's resume is the stuff of legend. white house chief of staff. secretary of state. an adviser to four republican presidents.

ford, ronald reagan, both george h.w. and george w. bush. the man that ran washington is the appropriate title of a book, they detailed his powerful role in republican politics and government for decades and they detail how he considered voting for joe biden because of his exasperation with president trump but republican loyalty appears to be withining out. quote, rather than reject a president they feared damaged the party and may drag it down to defeat republicans like baker doubled down on trump even at the cost of a trump presidency is too real for the country and baker personally. susan glasser joining us about this book. there's nobody not president of the united states who's not been president of the united states who had more influence on this town over 30, 40 years than jim baker so trump routinely flips the bird at people like that, he is the republican establishment. talk about the anguish jim baker

who himself had coronavirus in the sprng whing when he looks a trump presidency his anguish. >> we set out to do this study of jim baker and how power works in washington seven long years ago in the obama era when it was clear what kind of washington gridlock there was and then five years worth of this hostile takeover of baker's republican party. it tells you a lot about why republicans lived with trump, many of them never accepting him, like jim baker, they think he's nuts, crazy, opposed to many core beliefs like internationalism and american leadership on the world stage, free trade, and yet, have had a very difficult time just coming out and rejecting him at such a

partisan moment. >> talk about baker has experience at just about every crisis a president faces. instrumental when ronald reagan made a choice, knew how to play the base, but faced with a supreme court vacancy he decided at jim baker's urging not to go for the base but the middle with sandra day o'connor. >> i will send to the senate the nomination of judge sandra day o con nor of arizona for confirmation as an associate justice of the united states supreme court. she is truly a person for all seasons, possessing those unique qualities of temperament, fairness, intellectual capacity and devotion to the public good that characterize the 101 brethren who have proceeded her. >> the current president operates in a very different way sending up a nominee in judge amy coney barrett who people think will overturn obamacare,

could overturn roe v. wade, a definite play to the base. >> absolutely. it tells you everything about the incentives in washington today so different but also how someone like a jim baker may recollects a difference. there were some that didn't want sandra day o'connor and jim baker blocked them from meeting with president reagan and i think that baker personally was very invested in wanting sandra day o'connor, wifirst woman on e supreme court, it shows that playing to the center was politically seen as attractive at that time. right now you have a situation where the president and the republicans around him are playing constantly to the base, to the divisions and the polarization and so i think that's a classic example of where jim baker's washington is not the washington that we're operating in right now, the

incentives to governor from the center disappeared. >> this president doesn't see the value of having more adults in the room is one way to put it. grateful for your time. i hope read this important book. thanks so much for sharing time with us. new evidence that more of you are going back to work.

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america's back to the office experiment is gaining steam and working from home is still a big piece of the coronavirus experience. stanford university is con dupgting a rolling study of this issue. 36% of americans reported working from home in august down from 42% in may. flip side, 37% of americans reported being back at the place of work last month, that up from 26% in may. 27% responded they are not working at all. a high number but down from the 33% who said that in may. hello to the viewers in the united states and around the world. thank you so much for sharing your day with us. it is presidential debate night in america. exactly five weeks from election day. the coronavirus pandemic will shape how americanins vote a toc tonight. the trend in a troublesome direction. in new york city the mayor says

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