getting to that. >> thank you for spending your time with us. tomorrow we'll have a debate to talk about. bring and ye brianna keilar picks up our coverage right now. have a good afternoon. hi there, i'm brianna keilar and i want to welcome our viewe viewers here in the united states and around the world. president trump and former vice president joe biden will finally meet tonight in the first one on one debate. these are live pictures from cleveland where the candidates will face off and where the coronavirus pandemic is impacting everything from how the candidates will greet each other to the traditional post-debate spin room circus. our correspondent arlette saenz is there in cleveland and tell us about the unusual evening we are about to see. >> reporter: it will be a presidential debate unlike any other in part due to the

coronavirus pandemic. the commission taking great precautions to ensure the health and safety of the candidates, those in attendance and the media. they will be standing at socially distanced podiums and will forego the hand shake. the moderator at a table fasting the candidates. the audience will be much smaller in size and everyone on hand will be tested for covid-19 before they enter that debate hall and some of the signs of the way that the coronavirus pandemic has changed the way that this presidential debate will play out. the debate will be 90 minutes covering 6 toppings chosen by the moderator to run through each topic, there's the trump and biden records, the supreme court, covid-19, the economy, race and violence in our cities, the way that the moderator framed that topic and the

integrity of the election. no breaks during this 90-minute debate as they face off for the first time in this presidential campaign. they have been preparing. biden reading through briefing books and transitioning to heavier debate prep in the last few days in delaware. the president is studying possible lines of attack from joe biden, rudy giuliani and chris christie working with him standing in as budiden as they prepar. voters will get a look at the big contrast between the two of them as they face off for the presidency in a little over a month. >> all right. we will be watching. thank you, arlette, from cleveland. watch the debate live here on cnn tonight. david chalian is here with us now and you have a cheat sheet of what to watch or share your

notes with us. >> my first note is this is a big test for donald trump. that is mission critical for him tonight is to try and up end the trajectory of this race. with all the sort of bombshell headlines that happen day in and day out the race has been remarkably stable, stable in joe biden's advantage. and that is what donald trump needs to up ends. that is a tall order for one debate. one way that he intends to try and do that is what he failed to do with the convention which is change this election from a referendum about donald trump into a choice between trump and biden. they try very hard at the republican convention to do that but that's not sort of a context of where we are in this campaign right now so the attempt to do that again. the other thing that i think you have to be weary of if you oar donald trump is history here. first-term presidents running for re-election, they don't do

so well usually in the first debates. george w. bush in 2004, barack obama in 2012. after four years of not debating and inside the budgbble of the presidency it could be offputting for someone to challenge you because that doesn't happen to the president all that often. but you know that trump loves a show and he knows how to put one on so i have little doubt he looks forward to this tonight. second item on the cheat sheet for you is biden beware. beware of those trump tactics to try and sort of get under his skin. that's got to be a real thing to watch for. the expected onslaught of lies, of personal insults or talking about his son hunter biden. does that get under joe biden's scan and throw hum oim off his ? you want to do no harm and

that's joe biden's mission tonight in addition to showing a real, constant 90-munts long contrast to tens of millions of americans between him and the president, allowing the president to sort of get in his head and head him off his game is something to be weary of. a final note on the cheat sheet, tar get audience. watch to see who the candidates are talking to. i think it will tell us so much about where they see this race. is donald trump all base rallying and trying to shore up a base that's shown a little bit of erosion? that would be a tough place to be in 35 days out. does joe biden use this as an attempt to try to play offense on donald trump's turf targeting white working class voters that have been core to donald trump? watch to see who they talk to in their answers and tell us so much about how they see the state of the race, brianna. >> we will be watching with you,

david. thank you. you can check out the first presidential debate between them right here on cnn. cnn special coverage tonight will start at 7:00 eastern. the stakes are even higher for the president off the debate stage. the fallout of the "the new york times" investigation on trump's taxes is enormous and not only political, possibly legal, as well. trump's former fixer and personal attorney michael cohen suggested the president could serve time for his massive debt and avoided taxes for years. cohen is on house arrest following his own conviction and spoke to "new day" earlier today. >> not only did i end up paying what is it? about 2,000 times what he paid, i'm not a billionaire and got hit with tax evasion so lord knows what he is going to end up getting hit with. if i got 36 months on a million dollars, lord knows what he will get. he may do the next century.

>> trump has called "the times" report fake and made up. re-election may be key to avoiding skrutdny for trump for a few years. j.w. varit at george mason university. he has since spoken out against the president and called for his impeachment. j.w. you are a lawyer and accountant with a specialty in forensics. consider the revelations in "the times" story what might this prompt? >> lesson one i teach and utilize in fraud investigations is to see the tax returns and applications. and sometimes there's a slight difference between those. it seems from "the times" reporting there's a huge difference here, not only a red flag but a bright crimson flag about that potential difference and means in the investigation of trump the potential bank

fraud, tax fraud on the surface is fraud issues and the grand jury is investigating got a leg up. >> you're either overinflating something to the bank or minimizing it so you pay less in taxes and clearly the numbers should loon up better than that. we know that trump has $400 million in loans and coming due in a few years. would those listeneders foreclose on a sitting president, do you think? >> that would be a difficult calculation for them. you know? i'm not sure if they would want to do that but i'm sure -- they would think twice about lending him more money. >> the revelations of how little to nothing trump paid in taxes are new to us, right? not new to the irs. why has this been allowed to persist if it's rauzing so many red flags? >> it's not uncommon for

investigations the prolong, particularly when the defendant as in this case or the person under investigation is willing to stay the statute of limitations to giver the irs more time and it is unusual to prosecute a case while the president is in office but i have faith in both the congressional committees overseeing this with an important role and in the irs loon level investigators to get in right particularly after the current commissioner is gone. >> is he shielded being in the white house and would he be shielded if he won re-election? >> he is shielded from criminal investigation so to the extent it might be something the irs to defer to the doj or criminal investigation they can't do that right now because they won't prosecute a setting president so that limits the irs in some ways. typically part of the issue with very serious fraud is the irs says, look, maybe settle and

this doesn't develop further. there's a partial shield but i don't think it's impenetrable. >> the manhattan district attorney in the middle of investigating the trump organization. what do the revelations mean for his investigation? >> he could cut and paste, the evidence submits to the grand jury, they only has to get to determining probable cause. and i think there's more than enough in "the new york times" reporting to show probable cause of the potential kinds of fraud that cy vance is looking into. if trump wins re-election, can cy vance prosecute the president for criminal activity before he became president? that's a novel question of law. we don't know the answer to that one and all the judges from the

district court to supreme court dancing around. they have used the example of shooting someone in the face on manhattan avenue. in the filings. we don't know yet the parameters of criminal law that can be brought against a sitting president so that's uncertainty of both sides right now. >> so many questions, right, raised by this report and we thank you for helping us sort through them. >> thank you. as millions of american children and teachers are physically heading back into the classroom, the white house pressured the cdc to downplay the risks of coronavirus for children. i'll speak with a teacher who's infuriated. two nfl teams closing down operations after a series of infections as the nfl confronts the first big challenge of playing in a pandemic. i'll speak live with a bar owner in florida after the governor fully reopened

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two breaking stories on the coronavirus pandemic. the tennessee titans announcing today that three plaurs and five staff members tested positive for coronavirus. the team played the vikings on sunday and both are suspending in-person club activities. the vikings have not reported any positive tests following sunday's game but this is certainly the first big

challenge for the nfl in playing during a pandemic. and in new york, the city's mayor says the daily positivity rate above 3 first for the first teem in months. evan mcmorris-santoro is with us. i wonder what officials say about the cause of the rise and percentage point is the tipping point to change things. >> reporter: at a press conference this morning mayor bill deblasio said essentially what's happening is new yorkers in some zip codes are not and says you could see businesses in that area start to close down and you could start to see fines for not wearing masks. these bad numbers come on a bad day for new york city because this is the first day of the experiment in the new york city public school system sense march. i'm at ps-89 in queens and you can see students actually

started to arorive this morning and leaving now. they showed up and got in line. the schools are trying very hard to keep things safe but there's a concern that maybe with these rising numbers that might be in jeopardy. governor cuomo said he will keep a close eye on things. >> the schools must report to the state the data. they're doing testing. the numbers will tell you the facts. and once you have the facts you can operate logically. if the schools are not safe, i'm not going to allow them to operate. period. >> reporter: you mentioned the tipping point number. if the seven-day rolling average in the city is 3% which it is not now schools like this one will have to close down milwaukeeing this expert very short and if the numbers go up

you could see more closures like in the bad old days and if you're like me in new york this entire time is a scar thought. >> certainly. thank you so much for that report. a former member of the white house coronavirus task force said she witnessed the white house pressuring cdc to downplay the risk to children. olivia troye, a long time adviser to vice president pence, confirmed the story reported in "the new york times." they were trying to find data to contradict the cdc and support the push to get schools open and she said it was part of the moral struggle working for the trump administration. >> in terms of manipulation of the data, it was people within the white house specifically tasking more junior level staff

to find data that fit the narrative they want that it affects people above the and of 75 and not younger school children to fit the narrative to open up the schools and now. we are constantly trying to do the right thing. i'm a national security professional, doing this over two decades. saving lives is what i'm focused on and protecting americans and this watching this happen firsthand was very upsetting. >> aaron reid teaches at a public high school in los angeles county. erin, thank you for being with us. >> hi, thank you for having me. >> so your high school right now is fully remote, right? this is not the case for a number of schools in california and around the country. what is your reaction to learning that the task force highlights data to argue for reopening schools and minimizing data showing risks or unknowns

for kids or how kids spread the virus? >> it is infuriating honestly. we know we're fighting an invisible enemy, if you will. putting teachers and children's lives at risk and ignoring data and skewing data to fit a specific narrative, it is something that the administration does over and over and over again. it begs the question, what's true? who do we listen to? if you're ignoring data, you know, it's literally leaves me speechless. it is appalling. >> i want to listen to another observation that that former pence aide and coronavirus task force staffer made. >> i think there are still people walking around the white house today who don't actually believe this virus is real.

a lot of them disregard it. >> so you're hearing her question whether some people in the white house think this is a thing, right? how does this make you feel about whether you can trust the cdc or the white house task force and what they're saying about schools? >> what i trust right now is science. what we see repeatedly over and over and over again with this administration is they refuse to listen to science. they refuse to listen to experts. and the minute they start to do that we're going to be able to prepare for or educational system, we can prepare adequately to reopen america but until we listen to science that's not going to be able to be done and i give this researcher, you know, a huge amount of credit for speaking out and doing what's right and seems to be the only person with

morals and ethics on that side of the finance. >> what does your district tell you about a return to class, anything? >> yes. my district currently is looking at -- they do want to go hybrid. they want to go full open so we currently are in negotiations with our district on what that's going to look like and what the guidelines are and we use cdc guide loi guidelines and from the state to make sure that's in place before we open. we are a long way from opening right now. >> i wonder what your message is for the community out there. we look at what this conundrum is with schools and you are asking 30 or i think in your kase more than 30 and that's just for 1 class, asking plus-plus families to take on the role of teacher. right? in addition to you through the virtual learning but on the

other hand asking one teacher to take on the germs of 30 families, it is a tough problem to negotiate. what is your message to the community as they consider this? >> we need to have grace during this time. i'm a parent as well as a teacher. i'm teaching at home while my boys distance learn at home in the next room. we know this isn't easy and we know right now this is what's safe. this is the safest method to educate our children. >> erin reid, thank you so much. we really appreciate talking to you about this. >> thank you for having me. does the president's crippling debt make him an in additional security risk in or out of office? we'll discuss that. a florida bar owner joins me live on the governor opening bars and rants despite warnings. did the kentucky attorney general mislead the public about

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the first weekend after florida's governor lifted the covid ban on restaurants, clubs and bars, businesss were jam packed with pre-pandemic sized crowds. the order allows businesses to reopen at full capacity and even though people are encouraged to practice safety protocols, they weren't really taking the advice as you can see in the pictures here. bar and restaurant owners hit hard are trying to manage the new normal and thatten cluds debbie who owns a pub in the south florida city of davey. debbie, we should mention, is a covid survivor. tell us about what you are going through. you have owned the pub for 13 years. how do you manage what must be on one hand a relief to be open and then have this threat of the

coronavirus and how you deal with that as you're reopening. >> we have sanitizer everywhere. we clean the seats when a person leaves. we clean the bar. we only have a 25% capacity so it's not that hard to keep people separated. we haven't even had 25 people come back in yet so they still have a curfew from 11:00. so it's hard to make your money and have the restrictions on. >> so when you say that you are at 25% capacity, you are allowed to have more than that -- >> 50% capacity. >> you're at 50% capacity? >> that's 25 people for me. >> 25 people for you. so how has business been with the governor now reopening in

full? >> i mean, we have people coming in but not -- not like normal. >> and what are they saying when they come in? what are your customers telling you about coming in and how they feel about it? >> so glad to be able to go out and live their lives and have a normal life. >> and how does it feel for you as a business owner? you have taken a huge financial hit. how does this feel for you? >> great. just to be allowed to open and somebody not to have to close your business just because you can't order food with a drink. >> you contracted covid in the shutdown. can you tell us about that? >> i was asymptomatic. that was during march. and march like 25th.

from a doctor's office, actually. >> you were asymptomatic. the guidance from the government is that after three months you may not have immunity anymore. do you have safety concerns for yourself and your employees? >> no. we're very clean here. everybody wears a mask. if you're going to get it, you're going to get it. you got a better chance of going in publix or home depot or walmart with thousands of people going in and out every day. >> are you aware of the numbers with dining that there's actually a link between indoor dining and covid cases, an increased risk factor? is that something you worry about or something to deal with because, look, you have taken such a huge financial hit and need to get back in normalcy? >> it should be people's choice. not the government. the people want to go somewhere,

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president trump boasts about how his business accumen makes him a good president. the allegations he is personally liable for $420 million in loans and debts either dmesing or foreign is raising alarms and renewed questions whether the president could pose a national security risk. trump's refusal to disclose the tax records to the american public is something democratic lawmakers highlighted back in 2018. listen to this exchange between then senator tom udal of new mexico and secretary of state mike pompeo at a senate hearing.

>> given that the president refuses to disclose his tax returns, how can you assure the american people that american foreign policy is free of his personal conflicts of interest? >> senator, i find that question bizarre. >> i didn't -- you don't want to answer it then? >> senator, i've been -- >> described it as bizarre. >> i do. that's indicative of my answer. i've been incredibly involved this administration's policy for 16 months and not seen any evidence of what you are scourless scourlessly suggesting. >> my guest then briefed president biden regularly for four years as the deputy director of national

intelligence for defense integration. sir, thank you so much for being with us. i was hoping you could tell us if in your view the president is a national security risk. >> well, brianna, i can't speak to the particulars because i don't know what's actually inside of his personal finances but let me extend the question to if i was back in the intelligence community and doing an assessment of a foreign leader. we would look for vulnerableabilities in that leader in order to understand whether or not that they possibly could be compromised. we would -- it would include financial obligations so again not knowing the particulars of our president's situation it would apply if we were assessing a foreign leader. >> all right. unfortunately we are having a problem there with our connection and will try to re-establish that and bring back former trump intelligence

adviser robert cardillo. president trump and joe biden facing off tonight and i'll talk to a guest about why he says it's trump not biden when's underestimated. a grand juror in the breonna taylor case says they want to make sure the truth gets out. that grand juror accusing the kentucky attorney general of misleading the public. i'm voting 'yes' on prop 19

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talking about certainly you lack some information about where the president's debts lie. right? that's key information. but as someone who has been in the intelligence space, what would your concerns be about the president and whether or not he may be a national security risk? >> brianna, we would just again, if we were applying our profession and trade craft to an adversary, we would be looking for vulnerabilities of any sort to understand how stable they would be and how trustworthy they could be, et cetera. any risk, you know, soerassocia with that could create a potential opportunity for somebody to apply leverage or pressure and so again it's hypothetical but potentially does expose a risk. >> you have briefed president trump. you can't provide detalls what you guys talked about, it's

highly sensitive, but what was it like? can you tell us? >> well, i mean, if it's helpful let me contrast my experience under president obama and vice president biden with president trump. by the way, being different isn't a critique but everyone takes the briefing differently. i think people know president obama was a reader. he would pick his book ahead of time, completely digested by the time we saw him and challenged with president obama in a good way and vice president biden going beyond the book. what next? what do we do about this assessment? what policy would he need to pursue, et cetera? with president trump for which i had much less time in the office, it was more -- much more interactive. he would take the brief in realtime. i saw him very early in his

administration so one could appreciate because he came from the outside he was in learning mode so a lot more questions. i'll call them elementary but fair questions for someone new to the intelligence profession and much more i'll call it dynamic atmosphere. and a little sporty because the president does move quite quickly across issues and topics. >> you -- was he intellectually curious in your experience? >> i would again, when i saw him, it is early spring of 2017 in learning mode. director of national intelligence coats was bringing in tutorials for him so that he could better understand this intelligence community that was serving him. so yes. they were fundamental but within that overall objective, the topics moved quite quickly and

quite broadly. >> so you're saying -- sounds like you're saying the questions were somewhat pedestrian. i know you said that he was erratic and less than fully thoughtful at what the discussion was like was different in that regard compared to other presidents you briefed. >> well, it's true. you know, i would prefer using the word fundamental, brianna. they were basic questions. but again, i think that was the time when he should be asking basic questions. >> i'm just quoting you. i want to be clear, i'm just quoting you, though, right? >> no, you are, but i don't think i ever used pedestrian. >> oh, no, sure. i agree with you on that, yes. >> yeah. but my point is more on the -- you know, again, i didn't know him before he became president so it's an external view, but my

impression was that he takes on the world with a very internal focus meaning, you know, he has his beliefs, he has his strong views, and he just doesn't deal well or deflects views that don't comport with those. when i say sporty or a little erratic, if he takes on some new information that doesn't fit that world view that he had, then it can become a little sporty. >> okay. well, thank you so much for shedding light on certainly moments that most americans will never be privy to. we appreciate it, robert cardillo. kentucky's attorney general says he will release a recording of the grand jury presentation after a judge ordered him to do so in the breonna taylor case. this comes as one of the members of the grand jury accuses the attorney general of misrepresenting the proceedings and filing a court motion to, in

the word of their attorney, get the truth out about the process. the juror's attorney says the panel was never given an option of indicting the two officers who killed taylor. one officer was charged for wanton endangerment. here is how cameron described the grand jury decision during a press conference after the charges were announced. >> six possible homicide charges under kentucky law, they are not applicable to the facts before us, because our investigations show, and the grand jury agreed that mattingly and cosgrove were justified in their return of deadly fire, after having been fired upon. >> the grand juror has requested in court that any and all recordings, trips and reports related to the case be released to the public. the juror wants to have the right to speak out about the

proceedings without facing contempt charges. >> if you watched the press conference after the reading of the indictment, the attorney general laid a lot of responsibility at the grand jurors' feet. my client wants to make sure the truth gets out. my client wants to make sure that anything that happened in there becomes something of public knowledge to the extent it's legally allowed to. >> a criminal defense attorney and former prosecutor. how unusual is this for recordings, transcripts, reports of a grand jury hearing to be released to the public? >> it's rare but it can happen if a judge orders it. let me say i've never seen a grand juror file, through counsel, a motion to have information about a grand jury proceeding made public. this is obviously in response to that presser that was eye raising, to say the least, because the public had more questions than answers. i've never seen a grand juror push back like this.

this is unprecedented. >> they clearly feel like the grand jury is getting judged from the charges, right, for the indictment that was handed down. i wonder for you, what questions do you have that need to be answered by whatever may be released? >> well, i will say after the decision was made public about the one officer being charged, the judge who announced the reading of the indictment, there was a flag because she didn't actually say that the grand jury returned a no bill, meaning there was no evidence, not sufficient enough to indict the other two officers. usually that's what's said. because she didn't say that, that made me question whether the grand jurors were even asked to consider any charges against those two officers. then you had the ag at the presser saying that the grand jurors agreed. it seemed as though the ag made a predetermined conclusion and decided not to present any evidence to the grand jurors regarding those two other officers, so that was never even an option for them.

this is, again, shining a light on why grand juries are problematic. these secret, closed-door proceedings where prosecutors can essentially hide behind this secret of a proceeding and say the grand jurors decided this and this is why i can't do that. that's just not going to be the case. this is why this grand juror is saying, hold on. we should be able to speak freely without having the threat of contempt charges to say what didn't happen during these proceedings. that's going to shed some light in terms of the enthusiasm the ag had in presenting evidence to get indictments. >> yodit, thank you so much. we appreciate your expertise. just in now, joe biden and senator kamala harris releasing their tax returns ahead of tonight's debate. what those reveal. plus with hours to go before the big presidential debate, trump campaign and fox news are spewing conspiracies about joe biden's health. we'll fact check those for you just ahead. (♪ )

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it is the top of the hour. i'm brianna keilar. we are hours away from the first presidential debate between president trump and former vice president joe biden, which you can watch here on cnn. any minute now the president is expected to leave the white house on his way to cleveland where tonight's showdown will take place. it's a city used to high-profile events but nothing like this during a pandemic. slue of changes have been implemented all in an effort to protect those who are involved here. here is what you can expect tonight. trump and biden will be standing on opposite sides of the stage. they won't shaek hands with each other or the moderate, chris wallace. there will be no opening statements. only a small number of ticketed guests will be allowed and everyone in attendance must undergo covid testing. there will be no post-debate