remarks from that debate last night. it almost seems inevitable but he pivoted to joe biden talking about what joe biden has and hasn't said about antifa. similar to the way that you saw the president do so on the debate stage last night. and this is coming after hours of fallout here in washington, that follow the president on the way back from cleveland where you saw people who were typically his allies, like tim scott, the senator from south carolina on capitol hill saying it was a comment that the president needed to clarify. and he said if he wasn't going to clarify it, then obviously the president stood by what he said. now, of course, you are seeing the president give some republicans some leeway by saying he doesn't know who the group is and he wants them to stand down and let law enforcement do the work is what he told reporters just there. >> and kaitlan, the president could say he doesn't know who the proud boys are. but the fact of the matter is that it is eerily similar to what he said when he's been presented with something that he doesn't want to answer to in the

past. it seems his way of getting out of having to answer it or innoculate himself from having to take a stance. remember back to 2016 when jake tapper asked him specifically if he'll denounce david duke and he said i dent know who david duke is. he's taking a very similar tactic here. there is no chance, kaitlan, that aides within the white house don't have the answer for him, who the proud boys are and can't give him more detail. >> reporter: look at context. it is when chris wallace was asked to denounce the white supremacist groups. he was referencing the proud boys because you saw chris wallace give the opportunity and he saidly denounce them and give me a name, what name do you want to denounce and that's when joe biden stepped in and said the proud boys and the president repeated the proud boys.

if the president is maintaining the story that he has no idea who this group is, he knew what it was. but instead of saying i denounce them, instead he gave them this new tag line that they have been celebrating today, the stand down and stand by. basically saying the suggestion to be at ready. that is the way they took it. so you have to look at the context of what it was brought up, how the group reacted to it. they didn't take it as any kind of denouncement from the president and now he's trying to clean up the remarks several hours later after we got blowback from the usual allies. >> let's see if the damage is done. if this clears anything up for anyone who cares and should on the president's stance on this. kaitlan, thank you so much. let's talk about this now with sara sidner who has done in depth reporting on the proud boys and rashad robinson, the president of color of change. sarah, the president said he doesn't know who the proud boys

are. why don't you help inform him. >> okay. i shall. and if he doesn't know who a group is, then why is he repeating their name and then giving them what they saw as an order or a rallying cry to stand back and, you know, and stand by. so, by the way, the words are now printed on shirts that their selling. they are going to be using it as a recruiting tool. it makes them more well-known and they're going to be getting more people into their group. now the group that the president is talking about in the debate, the proud boys, say they are not white supremacist, they have people from all different racial backgrounds that are members of the group but they have certainly been involved in what one judge called political violence. and intimidation. and there is a case in new york, where you are in, in manhattan, in 2018, where there is video of them shown beating anti-fascist

dressed all in black and something is thrown at them and they come at them and there are a bunch of them kicking, beating and two of them were convicted for attempted assault, this is the video there that the police put out looking at what happened there. you see there is one person in the red hat. and so the proud boys just may lay there and two of them were convicted of this. and you see them over and over again. what they do is they show up and have a rally saying it is about free speech or about -- their own anti-fascism against the far left and they come completely armed to the teeth with body arm armor on and they say this is only for defend ourselves but that is not how new york saw it. they also said they are not a hate group. they are suing over being called a hate group. but that is not how the agencies and organizations that track hate and that track hateful behavior see it. they've been studying them for a

long time and they are adamant, the adl telling me today this is a hate group, full stop. looking at all of the things they have done and said over time. >> rashad, well put and explained, sarah. rashad, as kaitlan is reporting, the president seems to be trying to clean things up, if you will. as one says when they make a gaf. i'm not sure this is a gaf. i like to know if you think he cleaned anything up. >> i don't know if he was trying to clean things up. it is a difference between trying to clean things up and maybe trying to move stuff under the couch or move stuff under a table so it is not as visible so everyone could move on. and, in fact, we're not going to just move on. because what we're dealing with here, with this president, has been years of giving space, of being in relationship, of being unwilling to condemn white

nationalists from charlottesville and before he started his campaign to the years while he was on the celebrity apprentice going around the country with a racist conspiracy theory about president obama. nobody has any reason to believe this president that he doesn't know who the proud boys are and not sympathetic to their causes at minimum and hasn't been enabled at every turn by social media platforms and corporations who have looked the other way on the racism because they were getting tax cuts. so many folks are responsible for what we saw last night. and in terms of a president of the united states giving orders to a white nationalist group in the midst of really contentious time in this country. >> and if we're being real, we all could understand one thing as well, getting back to i don't

know who the proud boys are, the president claims to know everything about things he doesn't know anything about which is widespread voter fraud which has now materialized since 2016 and it has not materialized now and he continues to say believe me, i know a lot about it. so you think he would know about what he's talking about here. go ahead, sarah. >> all he has to do is ask somebody. he's the president of the united states. he has people to do the research for him. if he doesn't want to put it into google. will y but literally, you could go and search and see their point of view and on youtube and point of view that track far right groups line the proud boys. it is unconscionable that the president used the name of a group and now said, well, i don't know who they are. find out. you're the president of the united states. >> take it a step further, sarah, whether he said i always

denounce any form of any of that when he was pressed repee repeetdedly -- repeatedly just to be very clear he was asked white supremacists support you, do you welcome that and his immediate response was i want law and order and he to be asked again about condemning white supremacy and then he said that i always denounce any form of that. and i'm curious, if as the president said that, what impact does that have on these groups? >> it is huge. because to them it is absolutely something that emboldened them. they see it as his approval of them. and that he is with them. we have seen this over and over and over again. to me, the moment that happened last night during this debate, while millions of people are watching this, was another fine people on both sides moment.

that is how everyone who has been impacted for sure by white supremacists and white supremacy saw it. when you watch that, it was another one of those moments where you don't want to feel shocked because you've heard some of this rhetoric before. but you know that this emboldened those who want to further the cause of white supremacy. and white supremacists, neo-nazis, you name it, the kkk, they see this as an approval, not a tacit approval but an explicit approval of what they're doing. and what they believe. and they believe what the president believes what they believe -- >> and it wasn't just the statement that he made about the proud boys. it was also the statement toward the ends around his supporters and as it relates to voter suppression and intimidation which there is sort of nothing more sort of connected to the history of black people in our ability to express our will

through the vote is to also let the other end be suppressed, being attacked on the vote. there is a facebook post right now that i've had direct conversation with leadership at facebook up until two hours before the debate last night, were trying to get them to pull down this post from donald trump jr. calling on -- to enlist an army of trump supporters to go to the pool. we watched the looters and shooters post that landed on facebook in the height of the george floyd uprisings. we have watched this president stoke sort of his supporters, white nationalist groups, giving them sort of the permission to rally and to mobilize and to leverage social media platforms that use targeted marketing, that use radicalization, that use all sorts of tools to sort of bring people in. yes, this president is responsible for so much of the

hate that is happening in our society. but he is not acting alone. he has been enabled by so many that have put their profits above the sort of safety and the security and integrity of either systems or our democracy in this country. and the fact of the matter is, this cannot just be about feeti feet -- defeating trump, it has to be de feeting trumpism and people willing to go along with it as long as it doesn't hurt them or if it gets them profits in the end. >> and rashad, taking on facebook and holding them accountable for how effectively the ban on just for example the proud boys on that social media platform when they were banned back in 2018, how effective or not it has been is something that i know you have been taken on very directly and continue to. as we see from this conversation, those kind of -- holding those feet to the fire is only going to be more needed when we hear conversations,

narratives, rhetoric from the president still today, 30 plus days out from the election on the south lawn of the white house. sarah, thank you for your reporting and rashad, thanks for coming on. we're going to pennsylvania, we're taking a live look at joe biden. he's out on the campaign trail, speaking to supporters in pittsburgh right now. this is jut one of the stops on the tour of western pennsylvania. he was also in eastern ohio. let's go to mj lee in pennsylvania where biden is going to be heading later today. mj, talk to me about what joe biden is saying post debate. he spoke out this morning. what is the position today? >> reporter: well, clearly, kate, the 2020 campaign continues today after last night's incredibly chaotic debate. and as you mentioned what that looks like for the biden campaign today is a multi-stop tour through ohio and parts of western pennsylvania, i know we're seeing pictures of him speaking in pittsburgh right now

and ultimately tonight he'll end up here in johnstown, pennsylvania, where he'll have a drive-in style rally. this is obviously a way of doing campaigning amid the pandemic. and what we are hearing from the biden campaign and biden himself today about last night is they feel like there could not be have been a more stark contrast between joe biden and donald trump on the debate stage and making the case that you didn't see a clear message or a vision. that was laid out by the president, that have described him as having been erratic and angry on the debate stage and pointing to two things they believe trump failed to do yesterday. the first one is getting into the details of the coronavirus pandemic. and really sort of recognizing the widespread suffering that continues throughout the country because of this public health crisis and second, of course, is what you were talking about, just now his refusal on the debate stage to disavow white

supremacists. just take a listen to how joe biden summarized what he thought was really donald trump's performance last night on the debate stage earlier today. >> trump's constant disregard and unwillingness to speak to covid and the fact that 205,000 people have already died. and over 7 million are infected. and it is likely to get worse. he didn't want to talk about it at all. he, in terms of election legitimacy, he made it clear that he didn't think this is going to -- if he lost there wouldn't be a legitimate election, planting seeds of doubt. i don't know if a president has ever done that before. >> reporter: biden told reporters that he was constantly attacked last night by the president and he hopes that the debate commission could find a way to try to help the both of the candidates speak without

interruptions, clearly the commission agrees with this. they said earlier today that they're going to try to make some changes to make sure that future debates could be more orderly, kate. >> that is huge news coming from the debate commission just a short time ago. we'll have much more on that element of this whole thing coming up. it is great to see you, mj. thank you. still ahead for us, president trump using the debate stage to try once again and repeatedly to cast doubt on the legitimacy of the election, making multiple false claims about pennsylvania in particular. the lieutenant governor of pennsylvania is here to respond.

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gets at the very core of american democracy. the president of the united states trying to create fear and distrust around the voting process and the system. and he's doing so by blowing small incidents completely out of proportion and completely making things up in some instances. before i play this, i want to say once again the president has no basis for the quote/unquote bad things that he's warning of. >> i'm urging my supporters to go into the polls and watch very carefully, because that is what has to happen. i am urging them to do it. as you know, today, there was a big problem in philadelphia, they went into watch, they are called poll watchers. they are very safe and nice thing. they were thrown out. they weren't allow to watch. you know why? because bad things happen in philadelphia. bad things. >> with me the lieutenant governor of pennsylvania, john fetterman. thank you for being here. poll watchers thrown out in

philadelphia. i could lay out how that is not factually true, but you're the governor so what do you say. >> it is an absolute lie. but the chaos is the objective. you saw that at the debate last night. that is the center piece of strategy is to foment chaos tor results that didn't match their desired outcome and we're seeing that happen again and again and it is accelerating and we're 40 days out. imagine three weeks, two weeks, a week out, they're going to file baseless lawsuits of which they know have no legal underpinning but again the objective is chaos. >> and just to give the quick details on what trump was referring to in philadelphia, there are no trump campaign poll watchers that have yet be certified. so the woman who showed up -- go ahead. >> that happened a few days before the election.

so there is no legal basis, there is no legal recognition of that. so it is entirely baseless. but they know that. they're smart enough to know that. again, they wish to create chaos, because chaos is the objective. >> pennsylvania was top of mind for the president last night, it seems. he went after pennsylvania more than once. let me play something else. >> number two, they cheat. they cheat. hey, they found ballots in a waste paper basket three days ago and they all have the name military ballots. they were military. they all have the name trump on them. >> this is addressed already last week. nine ballots discarded in error. the person was caught. it was caught. the system worked. and also for comparison, everyone, nine ballots, nine ballots. there were more than 1.6 million ballots cast in 2016 in pennsylvania. i just want to put that out there so people understand what we're talking about here.

but lieutenant governor, why do you think the president has been talking about widespread voter fraud since 2016. why do you think he is so focused on the commonwealth? >> because trying to inoculate himself for a result that his campaign doesn't want. he's a smart man. he could read polls. he understands there is a gap right now. and by creating and fomenting this type of chaos and using red herring you try to create the basis for challenging of the election results. and that is unprecedented. you look at the debate last night, remember it wasn't that long ago the scandal during the debate was al gore atailing to george bush. that was the big scandal. and last night took our american democracy into a direction that no one wants or ever could have foreseen. and that is their m.o. and will be between now and election day. >> and, look, we as journalists,

we'll continue to fact check all of these things as the president very clearly shows no sign of letting up with these false attacks on the system in pennsylvania. but do you get a sense that despite the best efforts of democrats and republican officials in charges of elections in pennsylvania, that his fabrications are impacting voters? >> i don't -- ultimately i don't think they'll be successful. because here is another fact. vote by mail in pennsylvania was a republican bill. and you could fact check this. far more republicans in our state legislature voted for vote by mail in pennsylvania than democrats. it was a deeply bipartisan bill. and there is not one single elected democratic official that is accusing of red state commissioners of cheating. everybody knows that this is going to be a safe election and it is going to be a secure election. anyone that is saying otherwise has a different agenda and that

is agenda is to foment chaos to serve as the basis to challenge results that that campaign isn't going to necessarily like. >> lieutenant governor, you're going to be meeting up with the vice president as he continues to travel through pennsylvania later today. you gave me your assessment of what a mess the debate was last night. the debate commission said they are looking at changing the rules to bring about more order. what do you think of that? what rules, what do you think should be changed? >> well, i mean, i don't think that debate changed the underlying dynamics of this race, quite frankly, at least in my state. i said this before, donald trump is very popular in pennsylvania. we cannot afford to underestimate his popularity in our state. and i emphasize that continuously. but you could see right now, from the debate and today with these kind of nuisance lawsuits

that chaos is the m.o. from here on out. and as long as we vote, you vote, follow the instructions, whether vote in person or by mail, it is going to be secure and we're going to have a result that we know is going to reflect the democratic will of the voters of pennsylvania without a doubt. because we have bipartisan buy-in to our voting laws here in pennsylvania and anyone that says otherwise is deliberately spreading misinformation to a different objective. >> that is going to be a long 30 plus days to the election. lieutenant governor, thank you for coming on. appreciate it. >> my pleasure. coming up next for us, for the first time since the season start, nfl play will be disrupted by confirmed cases of covid. details ahead. in the middle of the darkest night it's true, i will rescue you

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disrupted the nfl season since it started back up. cnn's erica hill has much more on the pandemic and the new spikes happening across the country. >> we have got to put the brakes on this pandemic. >> reporter: in wisconsin, the virus continues to set records. >> over the last three weeks we've had remarkable surge in covid patients. >> reporter: the white house task force recommending state increase social distancing to the maximum degree possible and boost testing at universities. >> it is safe to assume that the virus is everywhere. so everyone needs to be -- to change behavior. >> reporter: it is one of 26 states reporting an increase in new cases over the past week. nearly the entire northern half of the country. >> and those trends indicate increased activity and transmission of the disease and places where we need to test and trace and lockdown and make sure that we get it in check. >> reporter: new york city focuses on several neighborhoods where cases are surging. >> the numbers could change

rapidly in the right direction so we'll continue to work daily, hourly to make that change. >> reporter: city employees offering free masks and reminders on how to stop the spread. restaurants could open for indoor dining at 25%. >> we need more to survive. but this is a step in the right direction. >> reporter: new numbers from the cdc show infections in 18 to 22-year-olds increased 55% in august and early september as many return to campus. >> colleges have been frankly a real challenge point for transmission. >> reporter: an outbreak among notre dame football team spread like wildfire after a pregame team meet according to the head coach brian kelly. at least 39 players are now in isolation or quarentine. ohio's largest public school district plans to start in person learning october 19th. miami-dade staggered re-entry begins october 5th. >> you should always try to get the children back to school. the risk of going back is really

dependent on where you are. >> reporter: researchers say phase one data from moderna vaccine shows an immune response in older adults as seven former fda commissioners warn the trump is undermining the agency's credibility and public confidence. political intrusion, they write, only prolongs the pandemic and erodes our public health institutions. kate, we've talked so much over the last couple of months and in the wake of these big holidays about a potential surge in cases and as we look at the positivity rate across the river in new jersey, it just hit 3%, the governor said that is the highest since mid-july. despite that being a low number, that is cause for concern and in illinois we know that one northwest region the governor just said they have to go back to mitigation efforts because the positivity rate there has hit 8%. >> thank you so much. perfectly laying it out what it looks like right now. appreciate it. for more, is dr. tom engle

from john's hopkins bloomberg school of health. it is good to see you. where erica left off in the piece talking about the fda commissioners, they lay out in plain language in their opinion piece the long and growing list of incidences where the president and the white house have done or threatened to inject politics into the fda. and they write that the -- that they still trust the scientists and their work at agency but also say that perception matters when it comes to public trust. do you think it could be repaired at this point? is there a fix for this? >> i do think there is a chance to repair it. i think it will depend on what the fda does now and how they respond to their external committee they're gathering at the end of october. i do have confidence in the career scientists at the fda who do this work day in and day out independent of the administration and i've confidence in the external scientific leader wloz get

called in from the outside to review the vaccine. but if we don't fix the process now, there is less and less confidence in this vaccine and all of this great work that has been going on to develop a safe and effective vaccine will be undermined and at risk. >> not helping in this, quite honestly, the president spend time on the debate stage last night saying that his top adviser on vaccines and the head of the cdc are wrong in his view when it comes to the vaccine timeline. they are saying that a vaccine will likely be available to the general public by next summer. he's still pushing that it could be out by november 1st. what is he missing here and what does this clear contradiction that the president continues to push due to what we are talking about, public confidence. >> well, one of the things the fda commissioners wrote about in chir commentary today is when teddy roosevelt established

signists in charge of drugs and safety and drugs and medicine, and because political leaders don't have any background or medicine or public health. so for the white house to be deriving their own timeline that is different from fda or cdc or nih, it doesn't make any sense and undermine confidence even further. so i think we need to let the process play out. the trials are underway. there are large, good trials being done. we need to find out what those trials show, whether they show the vaccine is safe and efficacious and then from that point forward we could start the process of getting people vaccinated. but we can't do it before they're done. >> that is exactly right. cannot rush this. even though you could cut through some red tape, you cannot rush the process of the trials. looking across the country, doctor, we have ten states showing a rise in positivity rate, you could see the red and the orange on the map and how it is looking now. they really are sounding the alarm in wisconsin at the

moment. we heard that in erica's piece, what is the level of crisis there, do you think, and what is your take on what is happening in the midwest at the moment? >> yeah, unfortunately we're seeing some states hit their all-time high in terms of daily numbers of cases, including, of course, wisconsin, which is having the most serious crisis in their health care system. we're seeing some hospitals and some communities reach close to their limits in terms of people who they could care for in intensive care units and some discussion they may have to use one of the field hospitals that was built earlier in the springtime in the event that patients exceed the numbers that are possible in the intensive care units. and i think it is a growing crisis. and needs to be dealt with very, very seriously. people need to be committed to wearing masks, physically distancing, avoiding large gatherings. the same things that people are doing around the world, that are doing in places that are very

successful in controlling the virus, those are more important than ever. and if those things don't work, they have to take additional closures to get everything under control. so it is important for the west to buckle down and take these things extremely seriously. >> no kidding. doctor, thank you very much. >> thanks so much. still ahead for us, the commission on presidential debates, a group, nonpartisan independent group overseeing debates since the 1980s, for decades. after last flight, they say they need to make changes. what could that mean for the next debate? that is coming up. eone out there needs help customizing their car insurance with liberty mutual, so they only pay for what they need. false alarm. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

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breaking news. just in, the numbers are in. we're just now learning how many people tuned in and stayed tuned in for last night's debate. this as the presidential debate commission announced this afternoon that debate rules will be changing going forward after

that 90-minute mess last night. the commission writing this. last night's debate made clear that additional structure should be added to the format of the remaining debates to ensure a more orderly discussion of the issues. that might be an understatement at there point. let me bring in cnn's chief correspondent host of reliable sources brian stelter. let's start with the numbers on how many people watch last night's debate. what are you hearing. >> these are preliminary numbers from nealson, only counting people who watch on tv at home. about 65 million people watched on tv at home last night. that means that debate was the biggest event on television in america since the super bowl in february. that is the only bigger show in america. this debate was huge by any standard. however, the numbers are down from 2016. back when hillary clinton and donald trump met on stage for the first time. that was the highest rated debate in american history. 75 -- 85 million viewers.

so as the totals come in later today we'll get a fuller sense of how many people watched exactly. but we know at least 65 million people watched last night's debate on tv, an additional number watched on streaming or listened on the radio. so if you think your preferred candidate did a good job, that is good news. it means people were paying attention. here is what i want to know and what we don't have yet from the nielson company, i want to know if people watched the entire time or if some turned it off in disgust. i think some turned it off. cnn.com traffic for our streaming coverage peaked toward the end so that tells me some people heard all of the fuss on social media and decided to turn it on, too. >> it is interesting. because as we know on tv, when you're talking over each other, no one could hear what you are saying, other than looking at a mess play out. we'll see how many people stay tuned but that is a big number, 65 million that you're talking about. >> huge, yeah.

>> let's talk about the debate commission. i was struck by this announcement that they made that -- i take it as they say there is going to be changes. what do you think they're considering? >> yes. >> you had the co-chairman on your show. >> this is a commission that has been around for decades. these people have been in charge for decades. they are traditionalists. they are old-fashioned and i say that in a good sense. this is a tradition that hasn't changed and one thing has changed so that is the sitting president. they are not revealing what they are going to do but i think it is obvious, they're looking at the microphones to cut off candidates, especially trump if he interrupts again and again. if we can't hear him interrupting, biden could still hear him, so i'm not sure that is a full solution. but the commission is being very tight lipped about it but this shows how disruptive trump is to the pros that's this commission,

which prides itself on being consistent and state forward and doing the same thing every four years, not this year. something has to change between now and mid-october. >> and the campaign has agreed to it and the candidate has to stick to it and the latter did not happen last night that is for sure. that broke debates or traditional debates. that is very clear. it is good to see you, brian, thank you so much. >> thanks, you too. the next debate is going to be different so they say. which is likely welcome news to many voters who were understandably overwhelmed by the mess last night. did voters actually learn anything? did it change any minds. turn anyone away or draw anyone into other candidate. jeff zeleny is talking to voters in a key part of michigan, joining me now, it is good to see you, jeff, what are you hearing from voters there and remind people where macomb county is always so interesting. >> well we certainly know that the millions of viewers that brian was talking about were

here in battleground michigan. virtually every voting that we talked to when they were casting early votes, we should point out election season is underway. every voter for a period of a couple of hours, several dozen voters have watched the debate. they tuned into the beginning at least. but macomb is what we're watching on election day and this is why. president trump carried this county north of detroit by 12 percentage points in 2016. it is one of the biggest flip counties. that means that barack obama carried this county by four percentage points so it flipped by 30,000 votes so democrats are trying to flip this countries back again. the trump campaign trying to hold onto it. we found a divided set of opinions this morning. but one voter, mary ann, rushed to turn in her early ballot because of the debate last night. >> i thought it was very embarrassing for two adult men to act like that. they have been able to cut off

president trump's mic. >> i'm not in love with trump, that's for sure. and some of the things that he says come off as crass and crude. but i don't believe all of the negative press about him either. >> reporter: so we heard that from trump supporters as well like rose who doesn't like everything president trump said but she indeed voted for him in part because of the debate and because she likes his record. so, kate, as this debate process moves on, we should point out by the time of the second debate, october 15th, millions and millions of americans will have already voted. >> that is exactly right. just as you saw today. good to see you, jeff. coming up next for us, a man in los angeles facing attempted murder charges for an ambush shooting of two sheriff's deputies. be right back.

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let's get over to stephanie elam. what do we know about the suspect being charged? >> reporter: right. so what i can tell you is beginning on september 1st, there was a carjacking in compton of a black mercedes-benz. the owner of that car was shot. fast forward to the 12th of september. that is when the deputies were both shot in the ambush. they are supposed to recover. three days later on the 15th,

that is when this suspect was captured. and the thing is during that pursuit, we learned today that a gun was tossed, a pestol was tossed from the vehicle that forensics shows is connected to that shooting. the reason why they didn't connect these two dots earlier and just let us know about this today. >> when i said the gun matched both ballistically and forensically, that was days after his arrest. so we didn't have that. and it would've been, you know, it would've been irresponsible for us to put his name in the papers as being the guy we're looking at. because that's irrefutable. >> reporter: it's also worth knowing that they said that the gun used was a ghost gun and that also looking at surveillance video, they were able to discern that that black mercedes-benz that had been carjacked was seen around the same area. but they needed this time to do all of their police work and to

figure out that this was in fact their suspect. he's a 36-year-old man. his name is delante lead murray and he has plead not guilty today. >> what could he face if he's convicted? >> he's looking at life in jail. right now he's facing bail of more than $6 million. >> stephanie, thank you so much. more updates to come there. but still ahead for us, the president of the united states refusing to condemn white supremacists. a closer look at some of the hit groups who take trump's words as a show of support. m to customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need? really? i didn't-- aah! ok. i'm on vibrate. aaah! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ robinwithout the commission fees. so, you can start investing today wherever you are - even hanging with your dog. so, what are you waiting for?

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. "the lead" with jake tapper up next on cnn. this is cnn breaking news. >> welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. we begin with the 2020 lead right now. fallout from the debate that joe biden called a, quote, national embarrassment, and republican senator ben sasse called a [ bleep ] show this afternoon. said that he thought the debate went great. that is not the view of republican senators who today called on president trump to clean up remarks from the debate in which the president not only declined to explicitly condemn white supremacists. he offered encouragement to the proud boys, a violent far-right neo-fascist group. given a second chance this afternoon, however, t