granddaughters after her mother's death and he never missed an event with his large family, including 13 great grandchildren. may they rest in peace and may their memories be a blessing. "erin burnett outfront" starts "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com "outfront" next, trump plays dead dumb claiming he doesn't know who the proud boys are. he also says he's always denounced white supremacy. the president debate commission says they're changing the rules for the debate. what are the changes and will trump comply? an alarming warning tonight saying, quote, the second wave is here. that doctor is my guest. let's go "outfront." gooening. i'm erin burnett.

the proud boys. why he did not denounce the far right neofascist group. f the proud boys. i said it. not that hard. but it is hard for the president. it's hard to express that sent nmt any language. trump offering a new excuse after failing to denounce white supremacists after last night's debate and telling the proud boys to stand back and stand by. today his claim was ignorance. >> i don't know who the proud boys are. you have to give me a definition because i don't really know who they are. i have to say they have to stand down, let law enforcement do their work. law enforcement will do the work more and more. as people see how bad this radical liberal democrat movement is and how weak and law enforcement is going to come back stronger and stronger. again, i don't know who proud boys are, but whoever they are, they have to stand down, let law enforcement do their work. >> [ inaudible question ]

>> just stand by. law enforcement will do their work. they're going to stand down. they have to stand down. >> law enforcement should take on his political enemy, fellow americans, the radical lib cal democrats. so, fixing the problem is to say some americans should be fighting literally other americans. that is a significant thing to say. so, i don't want to let that go unsaid. but i really do need to also highlight the core of what you just heard there which is the president of the united states also just said he does not know who the proud boys are, right? he said, someone needs to, quote, give him a definition. i want to be clear, trump not knowing who the proud boys are, a group that's organized around the belief that west is best, does not add up. i mean, chris wallace, first of all, let's just take that last night gave him a definition last night at the debate. i want to play for you the exchange when wallace asked trump if he would condemn white supremacists and militia groups.

>> what do you want to call them? who would you like me to condemn? proud boys? stand back and stand by. but i'll tell you what. i'll tell you what. somebody's got to do something about antifa. >> so, wallace asked trump if he's willing to denounce white wing militia and white supremacists and biden gave trump the name. trump repeated it, seemed know who the proud boys are, ran with it. the proud boys running with what the president said, celebrating the callout by sharing a new logo with the phrase stand back and stand by. while trump claims he's never heard of them, here's the leader of the group. this is according to "the washington post." i'll show you, sitting a few seats from the president at his rally in miami in february of 2019. and trump's favorite channel which he recently binge watched.

they talk about it frequently and they know who proud boys support. >> what about people who are even more committed to trump. they're called proud boys. >> among the trump backers were members of the proud boys. >> i've heard from some people who are proud boys, these right wing groups, who really are pro-police. >> okay. so, the president wants us to believe he's never heard of proud boys and needs a definition when he hears about them all the time on fox news and he know what is they stand for and that of course it was defined last night. we have been here before. this is not the first time trump has played the game pretending not to know someone who is racist. take david duke. >> will you unequivocally condemn david duke and say you don't want his vote or that of other white supremacists in this election? >> i don't know. i don't know, did he endorse me? i know nothing about david duke.

i know nothing about white supremacists. >> okay. does that sound familiar? it's just like trump's claim about proud boys is not true now. that claim was not true then. i don't know who david duke is. here's trump talking about david duke in 2000. >> when you say the party is self-destructing, what do you see as the biggest problem with the reform party right now? >> you've got david duke just joined, a bigot, a racist, a problem. this is not the people you want in your party. >> i guess not then the people he wouldn't want in his party. things have changed. trump calling duke out. he knew who david duke was and thought he was bad for a party at the time and told the american people years later he didn't know who he was. trump then also asked today point blank does he denounce white supremacists. here's his answer. >> they've done in new york -- like they've done in new york. i just told you.

i've always denounced any form -- any form -- any form of any of that. you have to denounce. >> this is not true. he has not always denounced it. here's the tape. >> you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. >> does it concern you that many people saw that tweet as racist and that white nationalist groups are finding common cause with you on that point? >> it doesn't concern me because many people agree with me. >> it should not be hard to directly condemn racists and white nationalists. the president did not do it, though, when more than 65 million americans were watching last night. that's when he had the audience. he did not do it. it was a choice. he did it without saying what it was. notice he was like, i always denounce it. he still didn't want to use the words. he did it today to a reporter. this is how he refuses to wear masks at rallies.

he knows that it sends a message to his supporters that masks and bunk and weak. that's why he doesn't wear it. he knows the example matters. he tries to say my policy is wear masks. it's the same sort of thing with white supremacy. kaitlan collins is "outfront" from the white house tonight and injay lee is with the biden campaign in pennsylvania this evening. how big a problem is this for the president? >> reporter: erin, this is not what republicans wanted to talk about the day after the first debate. they hoped the message today would be that joe biden is this left wing socialist, this caricature the president is portraying of him. instead they're facing questions of the president not denouncing this group, still not denouncing them, condemning them, despite being given a second opportunity to do so, but is instead

distancing himself saying he doesn't know them, like as you noted, he did with david duke. republicans today are distancing themselves on the subject or breaking with them in a sharp way. you saw that with tim scott, john thune, several others saying they denounce white supremacy and it would help them out a lot if the president did so as well. we spoke with several people who had done debate prep with the president, helped him get ready for this debate, wanted to joe biden on china, his son, several points. instead they're walking away with what the president is saying about this group and this is the news cycle they're dealing with while they're trying to win over moderate voters 30 days out from the election. >> i want to go to injay in pennsylvania. biden asked today about the president's comments about proud boys. what was his message? >> well, erin, joe biden, as you know, has been on a train all day making stops in ohio and pennsylvania. and we're in jonestown,

pennsylvania. this is going to be his final stop of the day. he is going to be attending a drive-in rally, trying to appeal to the white working class voters. earlier in the day we did hear joe biden address what donald trump said about the proud boys last night on the debate stage. and he said this should have been a moment of awake up call for americans. and he also said that that moment last night reinforced for him personally why he initially decided to get into the 2020 presidential race. remember he has talked a lot about how what happened? charlottesville, virginia, in the summer of 2017, that sort of led him to make that decision to get into the race thinking that this really was an important election for the battle for the soul of america. this is something that he talks about a lot. i will also say that he said that he himself had a personal message for this group, the proud boys. he said cease and desist, this is not who we are as americans.

i will quickly note that he also said to reporters that he hopes the debate commission can find some way to make sure that debates going forward are not filled with interruptions as we saw last night. clearly the commission agrees. they said they're looking forward to make some changes to make sure that future debates are less disorderly, not wanting to repeat what we saw last night. >> thank you. i want to go to james clyburn, long-time friend of joe biden's. congressman, president trump tonight says he does not know who the proud boys are, asked for a definition, even though, of course, it is very clearly laid out on the news channel that he watches regularly. and it was very clear, made by chris wallace when talking about denouncing white supremacist and white wing militias. that was the quote from wallace. and the president did not denounce their mission today. he just changed his words from they should stand back and stand by to they should stand down.

what's your reaction? >> well, thank you very much for having me, erin. i've got two iraqs to that. the first is this. i seem to recall that mr. trump said he did not know who david duke was. and it was clear that he knew him very well and had referred to him often before. and in this instance, for him to ask them to stand down gives credence to them. that's not what he was asked. he was asked whether or not he would denounce white supremacy. i'm still waiting on this man to denounce white supremacy, not just the proud boys. that's one group of white supremacists. >> yes. >> and i want to say to all the listeners here, please remember this deflected -- we've got to stop letting this guy get away with this. there was not any antifa or any leftists that walked into the church and killed those nine

souls. those were not -- that was not a leftist 17-year-old walking the streets up in kenosha, wisconsin, carrying an ak-47 and shooting two people to death. i have yet to hear this president denounce either one of those perpetrators. one, of course, happened before he came into office. but he is very much a part of the second one. and maybe i missed something, but i have not heard it. >> you know, today the proud boys, that specific case, members went in an online forum. as i showed, they changed their logo to stand back and stand by, celebrating his comment last night. they then commented on -- this is on their site -- president trump told the proud boys to stand by because somebody needs to deal with antifa. another quote, someone said trump said to go f them up, this makes me so happy. they saw a spike in membership since trump's comments last

night. it actually impacted that. what does that say to you? >> that say this president is either cruder for white supremacists groups. that's what he is. and that's what he's demonstrating every day. he knows exactly what he's saying. but this is not the beginning -- the first time. by goodness. he has a history of this. i saw some comedian today just laying out a plethora of racist things he has said over the years going all the way back to his apartment building discrimination and the central park five. this guy is just bad news, and i would hope that the people of this country wake up before it's too late. this democracy is under threat, and this country cannot afford

four more years of this foolishness. >> so, you reference -- and i show there, right, that, you know, even today when he was saying, i denounce it, it was "it" generally. he didn't say the words. when chris wallace asked, do you condemn white supremacy, he did not answer the question. he would not answer the question. the one time we could find he condemned white supremacy over the phone with me. there's a white nationalist super pac. they say they've started a campaign in iowa. they urge voters to vote for you because of your proposed temporary ban on muslims. does that shock you. do you denounce that? >> nothing in this country shocks me. i would disavow it. but nothing shocks me. people are angry. they're angry at what's going on.

>> when he says we need people to assimilate to our country, to vote trump, you disavow that. >> i just said it. how many times do you want me to say it? >> a third would be good. >> i said i disavow. >> he was very loud and clear. that was the last time he did an interview of this program. i hit a nerve. this issue should be cut and dry. we need smart well educated white people. there should be no prompting. >> well, erin, you know, i think you know me pretty well. and i'm not going to play word games here today. but i'm tempted to. to disavow is very passive. to denounce is active. i want to hear a denouncing, not a disavow. he's very passive. >> and the word choice matters so much, which he knows. >> absolutely. absolutely. >> all right.

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tonight president trump lashing out after the commission on presidential debates says it'll be making changes to the next trump-biden debate because of last night debacle. the president tweeting try getting a new anchor and a smarter democratic candidate. there is no question though that the problem started with the president. >> how are you doing? this guy paid a total of $750 in taxes. >> wrong. >> sir, sir. i understand, you've agreed to the two minutes so please let him have it. mr. president, i'm the moderator of this debate and i would like you to let me ask your question. >> go ahead. and by the way -- >> mr. president, your campaign agreed to both sides would get two minute answers

uninterrupted. well, your side agreed to it, and why don't you observe what your campaign agrowed to as a ground rule, okay sir? >> "outfront" now, brian stelter. brian, what are you learning about -- are they going to make changes at the next debate? >> reporter: this has been embarrassing for the commission and they are looking at what to do differently but they haven't announced anything yet. this is a gentlemanly old fashioned can't we all get along commission, but exists in a blood sport world, a shameless, cruel, ruthless world. they've got to make changes. one area of focus is the microphone. will the mics be cut off if the candidates interrupt each other? even that won't be a full solution, even if we can't hear trump at home, biden will be able to hear trump. that's one possible solution they're talking about. but so far no decisions have been made. >> chris wallace told "the new york times" in what i thought was a self-aware conversation,

i'm just sad with the way last night turned out. i never dreamt it would go off the tracks the way it did. i'm a pro. i've never been through anything like this. by the way, he did also go on to say he thinks cutting the mics is a bad idea because one mic will pick up the other person's voice and the other people will hear it. he had all sorts of reasons he thought that was not going to be a good idea. i have a lot of chris wallace. was there anything else, more he could have done to control it? >> he could have set the tone more from the beginning. fox news says no moderator could have done it better. but wallace is admitting to a failure of imagination. he failed to imagine what trump would do, how he would detroy the format. the trump years have been a failure of imagination. i hope all the election boards out there don't fail to imagine just how bad it could get. >> brian, i thank you. i want to go now to democratic senator tim kaine, democratic

vice presidential nominee in 2016, knows what it's like to deal with the failure of imagination and its consequences. the trump campaign, these changes are coming out, whether they're going to do the mics or whatever they're discussing. their quote was they're only doing this because their guy got pummelled last night, president trump was the dominant force, they shouldn't be moving the goal posts and changing the rules in the middle of the game. what's your response to that? it looks like we just lost senator kaine. here's what we're going to do. i'm just going to stall for a second or two to see if we can get him back. if we don't get him back in a minute or two because we have a packed show, we will come back. i would have rather things jammed in out of order rather than miss something. we have senator kaine back. senator -- senator. >> hey erin. >> i'm sorry. we got you back. i wasn't sure whether i was going to have an unexpected commercial break there. i don't know if you heard my trump, but trump was saying

they're only trying to change the rules because their guy got pummelled and they're trying to work the rest. what's your response to that? >> look, president trump showed three things. first as a president, he can't be presidential. the challenger looked like the president and trump looked like the desperate challenger, which was completely bizarre. second, as a sitting president, he said he wouldn't accept the outcome of an election if he was unhappy with the results. i lived in a military dictatorship in honduras 40 years ago. that's dictator behavior, not democracy behavior. as you guys have covered well, he wouldn't condemn white supremacy which we know in virginia because it was the same stunt he pulled after the horrific killing after heather hire and two state troopers in charlottesville in august 2017. >> so, one thing that set last night's debate apart -- there were many things. but there was name calling.

it was nasty. i was watching with my young children having a conversation about why -- how grown ups could be acting like that. some of it did come from joe biden. here's a couple of examples. >> do you have any idea what this clown is doing? will you shut up man? you're the worst president america has ever had. come on. it's hard to get any word in with this clown -- excuse me, this person. >> that getting in it with him didn't work for marco rubio, ted cruz. it didn't work to get into the mud. would you tell biden to keep doing that or to pull that back? >> erin, when you're debating against somebody who will break every rule no matter what they are and lie repeatedly, that is tough. when you debate with somebody who can just look in the camera and lie, it's really hard. i thought joe did a pretty good job in terms of what a human can do and often rising above it and

kind of shaking his head and laughing it off. but then at some point, you just can't, you know, let the blows land on your chin and not respond. and look, some of that was very sincere. you're the worst president we've had. there's a lot of evidence, 200,000 plus deaths, millions of jobs lost, social division that we haven't seen since the 1960s. there's a lot of evidence for that proposition. it's a painful truth. but it doesn't mean it's not a true statement. >> so, next we're obviously going to see the vice presidential debate coming up, and you, of course, debated vice president mike pence. >> yep. >> and i remember being there for that. have you spoken to kamala harris yet? >> yes. >> and what are you going to tell her about debating mike pence, who is a very different, very professional debater? >> erin, mike pence was a media personality for many years before he was in politics. he's good at this. so, i'm not going to tell you

what i'm telling kamala, but i will lay out a reality about this debate n. 2016, remember both tickets were -- neither were inum can bents. so, hillary and donald were both saying we're not president, but here's what we'll do. so, it was largely a campaign about here's what we want to do. but this is a different year, 2020, the trump-pence ticket, they're incumbent. so, a lot of the debate is about what have you done. remember on february 26th, donald trump asked mike pence to take on the most important job of his life, running the american response to coronavirus, being the head of the task force. at that time, there had been no deaths in the united states. 200,000 deaths later, i think you're going to see a prosecutor in kamala harris put in evidence on the table. are you really saying that 200,000 plus deaths is a good response, millions of jobs lost are a good response, social unrest, that's a positive?

so, i think what you'll see in this debate, which is very different than four yearsing a, is an incumbent ticket is asking to return and the joe biden-kamala harris ticket is saying are you better off than you were four years ago. the answer is clearly no. >> senator kaine, i thank you for your time tonight. >> absolutely, erin. good to be with you. >> all right. you too. next an alarming coronavirus surge across the country. i'm going to talk to an er doctor in the hospital. he says the second wave is here, here with a vengeance. they've had people waiting in the halls. and trump's former fixer michael cohen is "outfront." why he says mr. trump was not misspeaking when it comes to white supremacy and the proud boys. and what does he know about this? >> i paid millions of dollars in taxes, millions of dollars in income tax. twice your cousin. from boston. karen, i'm just gonna say what everyone here is thinking. you look smokin. total smokeshow. and they never did find his finger.

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president trump heaping praise on his response to the coronavirus during last night's debate. >> people that would not be necessarily on my side said that. president trump did a phenomenal job. we did. our country is coming back

incredibly well. >> and yet 19 states currently seeing a rise in virus deaths over the past week. more than half the country averaging an increase in cases. erica hill is "outfront." >> we have got to put the brakes on this pandemic. >> reporter: wisconsin just reported its highest daily number of coronavirus-related hospitalizations. >> we're in deep trouble. >> reporter: the white house task force recommending the state increase social distancing to the maximal degree possible and boost testing at universities. >> it's safe to assume that the virus is everywhere, so everyone needs to be -- change their behavior. >> reporter: it's one of 26 states reporting an increase in new cases over the past week. nearly the entire northern half of the country. >> and those trends indicate increased activity, inclosed transmission of the disease and places where we really need to test and trace and lock down and make sure we get it in check. >> new york city focusing on

several neighborhoods where cases are surging. >> the numbers can change rapidly in the right direction. we're going to continue working daily, hourly, to make that change. >> hundreds of police officers and city employees dispatched to those hours offering free masks and reminders of how to stop the spread. >> we need more to survive, but this is a step in the right direction. n new. >> reporter: new numbers from the cdc showed infections in 18 to 22 year olds increased 55%. >> this has been a challenge point for transmission. >> reporter: >> reporter: ohio's largest public school district plans to start in-person learning october 19th. miami-dade's staggered reentry is october 5th. >> we should try to get children back to school. the risk of going back is dependent on where you are. >> reporter: researchers say phase one data shows an immune response in older adults as

seven former fda administrators warn the trump administration is undermining the credibility and public confidence. political inintrusion only prolongs the pandemic and erodes our public health institutions. we're also getting a new timeline for the moderna vaccine, the ceo telling a conference a short time ago they won't have the necessary data to file for emergency use authorization with the fda until november 25th at the earliest, erin. >> erica, thank you. now i want to bring in dr. paul casey, head of the er department in green bay, wisconsin. you just heard him in erica's piece there. i know you've been getting national attention because of the desperate facebook posting where you wrote this, doctor, the second wave is here and it's here with a vengeance. all four green bay hospitals are close to capacity. our icu has been full for several times this week.

for the first time in 16 years, we've had to place patients in the hallway. this occurred twice in the past week. if you have not accepted the seriousness of this pandemic, now is the time to start. the life of a loved one could be at stake. dr. casey, do you know what you're describing here are images many americans were deep in the past and yet you're seeing it now. record high hospitalizations not within a space, issues with capacity. tell me more about what you're seeing. >> so, erin, first of all, thank you for having me. this is a very important topic. over the course of the past two to three weeks, we have noticed a marked rise in covid patients coming into our hospitals in green bay. and this comes in the wake of what we thought -- we thought we were doing well. you see from my graph that early on in the pandemic in march and april, we had a nice little bell-shaped curve that rose and came down. and by the third of june, we had

one inpatient with covid-19 in our hospital. then fourth of july came, we saw a rise there. then labor day came and you saw another rise. and then over the past two weeks, we've seen a remarkable rise in the covid cases in brown county. what that has resulted in as a marked increase in patients coming to my emergency department to the point that as you mentioned for the first time in 16 years that i've been here, we've had to put patients in hallway beds. for those of you who don't know what those are, a lot of big city hospitals don't have capacity. their hops's full upstairs and they have to board patients in the e.d. waiting for a bed. i never envisioned having to do that in a small community like green bay. we've done it twice in the last ten days. not only that, filling up our hospital. in may we realized that patients did not receive adequate care because we had to shut down the

hospital in march in anticipation for this huge wave that we were seeing in other states. so, we reopened everything back up, started doing elective surgeries, opening up clinics to the point that we were already very, very busy. >> so, let me just ask you because the president -- there's going to be rallies in green bay where you are this weekend with these numbers. we've gotten used to what we're seeing at the president's rallies arks lot of people, very little mask wearing, no social distancing. from a medical perspective, how concerned are you about these events? >> so, for all of us in the medical profession, any time we see people congregating in any venue without masks at close distance in the middle of a global pandemic that's making a surge in our community, we become extremely, extremely concerned. >> so, you've said if 90% of people wore masks, we could end this surge, right?

that's what we end from the white house -- the experts on the white house task force, right? they say directly that masks will work better than any vaccine to try to give people a sense of how they are. last night the president mocked the vice president for wearing a mask. i want to play that for you, dr. casey. here he is. >> i mean, i have a mask right here. i put a mask on, you know, when i think i need it. i don't wear a mask like him. every time you see him, he's got a mask. he could be speaking 200 feet away and showed up with the biggest mask i've ever seen. >> doctor, i don't want to be political about it. i just want to ask you about the masks. when people mock masks, what do -- how does that make you feel when you know they save lives? >> as a physician who's dedicated his life to caring for others, that makes me angry because we have very few tools in our tool box right now to handle this pandemic. and the mask, in my opinion, and the opinion of a lot of other physicians, is the single most important thing we can do to

stem the tide of this pandemic. those of us who work in a hospital setting are a testament to that principle. for six months, i've been wearing a mask 12 hours a day on my clinical shifts and i have not gotten infected. i've been face to face with multiple patients infected with covid-19 and i and my fellow health care workers have not gotten infected. so, for people to say masks are ineffective defies logic. it makes those of us in the health care field very angry. >> very justified in that. dr. casey, i appreciate your time. we are thinking of you and having to go through this as you're going through it now, saving those lives. thank you, sir. >> thank you so much, erin. thank you. next, trump's former right-hand man, michael cohen. he is "outfront," why he says it is so hard for trump to condemn white supremacists. plus trump claims something is going on in philadelphia when it comes to voting.

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using excuses to defend these remarks from president trump last night when he did not condemn white supremacists or far right groups like the proud boys when given an explicit opportunity. >> what do you want to call them? give me a name. >> white supremacists. >> who do you want me to condemn? >> proud boys. >> proud boys? stand back and stand by. but i'll tell you what. i'll stel you what. somebody's got to do something about antifa. >> the president's advisers do not blame the president for that. they blame chris wallace. >> the president said -- he started to say of course he would denounce that and wallace cut him off. >> and then we heard this. >> he said stand back, stand by. he wanted them to get out of the way. he wants law enforcement to do their job. >> he said stand down and that means we're coming for you.

>> "outfront" now, michael cohen is author of the new look "disloyal: the true story of the former personal attorney to president donald j. trump." michael, i've talked to you so many years. you were with him every step of the way in the 2016 campaign when you and i both know this was a recurrent issue. so, all the conversations you've had with him, why is it so hard for him to just denounce white supremacy and to call it by name? >> there's really no answer for it other than the fact he's just an archie bunker racist. and the cnn's and msnbc and abcs of the world are telling him that they want him to denounce it. so, like a petulant child, he just won't do it. and he'll dig his heels in even deeper and fight you tooth and nail even though he knows it's wrong. it doesn't matter because donald

trump doesn't care about anyone or anything other than himself. >> in conversations you've had with him over the years, earlier on we were saying i don't know who david duke is. the tape existed that showed he knew who david duke was and when he was part of the reform party said i don't want this guy as part of our party because he's a racist and bigot. >> right now he doesn't know who the proud boys are and tuf talking points that jason and navarro. they send out a sheet. here are the talking points that we want you to give out into the media. and like the stalinistic sense that we has, repeat it over and over and over again hoping that he's going to be able to confuse the american people and that, oh, yeah, it had nothing to do with donald trump. it had only to do with chris wallace. the man opens his mouth and everything that comes out of it is either racist or a lie. it's incredible. >> we saw -- "the washington post" is reporting that the proud boys had a surge in membership spike today. i don't know if you heard that

earlier on in the show. congressman clyburn was on and made it clear that the president, he said, is a recruiting tool. he is actually recruiting white supremacists. the president is not stupid. he knows this, right? he knows it and he's fine with it? what else would explain it? >> so, i have a different theory on to it. i think he's doing it on purpose. if you look at who the proud boys really are, they're an army. they look like an army. they dress like an army. they behave like an army. and what banner? what flag are they carrying? they're carrying the maga flag. this is in trump's mind, this is trump's army and he's going to use them when he loses and he's going to use them in order to try to keep control of power. i mean, it's a crazy notion, but there's no other explanation because you're right. he's not stupid. he's misguided, but he's not stupid. >> so, stand by to you was stand by, when i need you. >> oh, 100%. stand by for me because he knows

he's going to lose the election. look what he was saying on your -- you were showing the clip before. there's a problem with the ballots in pennsylvania n philadelphia. he knows he's going to lose pennsylvania. so, what's he going to do. all right, proud boys. they're taking away your donald trump. they're taking away your make america great again flag. he basically took the confederate flag and he subplanted it with a maga flag. it's crazy. >> interesting. because you know him so well and i'm thinking about conversations with you about this issue and other issues, one thing that the you knew about more than anything else, obviously stormy daniels, all these things. during the debate last night -- >> i'm sorry. stormy who? >> -- that he paid millions of dollars in taxes in 2016 and 2017. we've seen the report he paid $750 in those years in taxes. he says no, it was millions. here's what he said.

>> is it true that you paid $750 in federal income taxes each of those two years? >> i paid millions of dollars in taxes. >> no, mr. president, i'm asking you a question. will you tell us how much you paid in federal income taxes in 2016 and 2017? >> millions of dollars. >> he says millions of dollars. the report is 750 in those years. do you believe he lied last night, >> i believe any time he opens his mouth he's lying and he definitely did not pay millions -- i paid millions of dollars during those years. i paid $3 million while he paid 1500 and i get hit with tax evasion. well, if i was charged with 36 months, how many is he going to get? 360 months? is he going to get 360 years? who knows. it's crazy.

it's an absolute lie. all he has to do is release the tax returns if he shows he paid millions but he didn't. he just didn't. he believes if he says it over and over and over again, that we're going to believe it. yeah, donald trump, he's rich. he's rich. we definitely accept it. yeah, he paid millions, sure he did. >> michael cohen, thank you. >> thank you, erin. next, president trump says bad things are happening in philadelphia when it comes to voter fraud. pennsylvania's attorney general is next, . g's towel? . hey, me towel su towel.

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. tonight, the president relentlessly sewing doubt in the election outcome with accusations of fraud in philadelphia. >> i'm urging my supporters to go into the polls and watch very carefully because that's what has to happen. i'm urging them to do it. as you know today there was a big problem. in philadelphia they went into watch. they were called poll watchers, very safe, very nice thing. they were thrown out. they weren't allowed to watch. you know why? because bad things happen in philadelphia. bad things. >> "outfront" now the attorney

general of pennsylvania. attorney general, let me ask you you heard the president's accusation there, right? there were people in there, poll watchers, very safe, very nice. they were thrown out, you know why? because bad things happen in philadelphia, bad things. what actually happened with those poll workers in philadelphia? >> first off, erin, i think the president needs to quit whining. quit lying and quite messing with philadelphia or the commonwealth of pennsylvania. he said, you know, bad things happen here in philadelphia. well, you know what happened in philadelphia? democracy happened in philadelphia. and it's the very democracy that he's trying to undermine with his lies and his purposeful misstatement of what's really happening on the ground. let me break this down for you because i'm the attorney general of pennsylvania. i don't deal in tweets and nonsensical sound booiytes, i d

in facts and evidence. under our state law in pennsylvania at an early voting center, which is the location in question here, no candidate, no party is entitled to have a poll watcher. that's entitled at a polling place on election day. the law simply doesn't allow for poll watchers at 2450these fac y faciliti facilities. indeed, the republican in charge of administering elections in the city of philadelphia acknowledged this yesterday and said look, it's like having a poll watcher requirement when you fill out your ballot at the dining room table. it doesn't exist. >> okay. >> and continuely lies, erin, to suit a narrative, to create this sort of chaos in our voting system, and it's designed, i fund mentally believe for one purpose, which is to try to make the voters feel powerless in the process and feel like their vote isn't going to count and that's

simply not the way our democracy works. >> it's definitely raised a lot of questions about the process, right? we saw that with those ballots in pennsylvania, nine ballots which the department of justice put the press release about. they said they were for trump and only seven of them were. so the press release from the department of justice was an error and then the investigation, the election officials said it was a mistake, not fraud, the ballots were discarded and the president brought it up again last night. here is what he said. >> they're sending millions of ballots all over the country. there is fraud. they found them in creeks. they found some with the name trump just happened to have the name trump the other day in a waste paper basket. they are being sent all over the place. they found ballots in a waste paper basket three days ago and they all had the name -- military ballots. they all had the name trump on them. >> they didn't all have the name trump on them. i'll make that point.

again, let me ask you, whether you can guarantee that there isn't a wider spread problem. i know you will say that's not fraud, i understand that. it doesn't appear to be fraud in any way but is there a wide spread problem with mail in ballots in pennsylvania right now? >> no, look, the president keeps calling these ballots a disaster. these ballots are our democracy. and our system works. the problem we have right now is a president that keeps putting forth these crazy nonsensical conspiracy theories, which is doing nothing to help this process and everything to undermine it. he's undermining his own law enforcement officials like he did just the other day. those ballots that you referenced where there was a clerical issue, not a criminal issue. it's what he's trying to do in philadelphia to create this doubt to suit a narrative that simply doesn't exist, erin. >> all right. attorney general shapiro,

appreciate your time. thank you so very much. >> good to be with you. thank you. >> you, too, sir. thanks very much to all of you for being with us. "ac 360" with anderson begins now. hey, good evening. thanks for joining us. the day after the debate debacle and the question tonight really is now what? 73 million people witnessed last night's so-called debate and it's pretty clear this is the way it's going to be from here until at election election day. the non-partisan debate commission in charge of these presidential debates every four years made a statement today saying last night's debate made clear additional structure should be added to the format of the remaining debates to ensure a more ordinarily discussion of the issues. they don't know what to do. they didn't put out any specifics. they aren't sure, you can't cut off the person's mic, you can still hear them off mic. they can try to construct additional