prop fifteen makes corporations pay their fair share. to invest in our communities, in our clinics, in the essential workers who treat everyone- rich, poor, and in-between. whether it's this pandemic or the next health crisis, vote yes on prop fifteen. for all of us. top of the hour. hello to our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm john king in washington. thanks for sharing your day with us. the money pouring into the biden campaign and to its democratic allies, this just as a mini panic sets in among republicans who think that president trump is making an already difficult campaign climate even worse. the president heads soon to new jersey to his golf club. his team is hoping that it sinks in that his first debate performance was anything but the

way he describes it. >> the verdict is in, and they say that we, we, all of us, won big last night. you know, biden lost badly when his support remembers saying he should cancel the rest rast debates. now i understand he's cancelling the debates. let's see what happens. i think that's not going to be a good move. >> most alarming to republicans is that the president punted both in tuesday's debate and again yesterday when asked to clearly and firmly denounce white supremecism. the republican worry is that the damage now ripples from the white house race through other competitive races. they say money follows momentum in politics so consider this. joe biden had the best fund-raising day of the 2020 campaign yesterday pulling in more than $21 million. the democratic nominee also had his busiest campaign day since coronavirus changed everything taking a train trip from the debate site in cleveland across ohio and into western pennsylvania, simple math here. simple. if biden runs strong enough in blue collar communities like

alliance, ohio and johnstown, pennsylvania then a little more than a month now he'll be president-elect biden. >> a lot of white working class democrats thought we forgot them and didn't pay attention, and i think that's important that they know. i get it, and i get their sense of being left behind. they know they have been screwed by trump but they also, you know, they are not sure is the old democratic party back and listening and looking at them so i think it's important. >> something else that's important and alarming. the coronavirus case count is up today, so is the coronavirus death count, and 27 of the 50 states are reporting more positive covid tests now compared to a week ago. the centers for disease control now predicts as many as 232,000 americans will be dead from this virus by the end of october, just days before election day.

and once again the coronavirus in the campaign are on a collision course. wisconsin is among the states hardest hit right now. the president's own white house task force is warning an intense period of viral surge and urging people in wisconsin to practice maximum social distancing but the president significant nothing both the data and his own team. the president's weekend includes back-to-back wisconsin rallies. let's get straight to the white house and cnn's john harwood. john, the president publicly saying i won the debate. joe biden is on his heels. publicly his aides support him and privately there's a lot of jitters, and even worse in the republican party right now. >> reporter: well, there's no question about it because you look at this polling, nationally hand in the ballot grounds, especially in those midwestern states that the president flipped to defeat narrowly to defeat hillary clinton in 2016 have moved decisively against him. first from the presidents on

coronavirus there's a stopping determination to act as if the virus doesn't exist. we saw that in the debate when he disputed his -- the head of his vaccine project as well as anthony fauci. he's counting on a rapid vaccine breakthrough and ignoring the consequences in the meantime. second thing he's doing is doubling down on this strategy of appealing almost exclusively to white voters. we saw it throughout the summer after the death of george floyd where his message was law and order above everything else, even when it was plain that the public had turned away from an exclusively one-sided message on justice issues and police community relations as it affects the black community. he did the same thing in the debate when he declined to condemn white supremecism. yesterday he half-heart had hadly tried to act as if he was backing off. he had gotten some pressure from republicans who found his comments too open and

embarrassing with as a result, but then at that real last night in minnesota he went with open appeals to racism in saying that democrats want to turn minnesota into a camp for refugees and going after ilhan omar works of course, is a united states citizen and member of congress. this is the path that the republican party has been on for a long time, worked much better when white voters were 97% of the american electorate. now it's down to 70%. it's gotten more difficult and it's especially gotten more difficult for the reasons you were just pointing to a moment ago, john. joe biden, a bit of a throwback democrat with a strong blue collar identity himself is eating into the margins. that's not causing the president to change his strategy, causing him to intensify his strategy. so far not working. grateful live reporting from the white house. let's continue the conversation. with us to discuss, national political reporter laura breaux lopez and julie davis.

laura, let me start with you. you've covered this president and this is an issue that came up repeatedly, david duke back in the 2016 and after charlottesville, asking the president to do something that should be simple. speak the words, i denounce the words white supremacists. i do not want their support. they are not welcome anywhere around me and yet in the debate and listen to the president here yesterday he says it sort of kind of but never directly. >> i don't know who the proud boys are. you ought to give me a definition because i really don't know who they are. i can only say they have to stand down and let law enforcement do their work. everybody, whatever group you're talking about. let law enforcement do the work. now, anti-fa-is a real problem because the problem is on the left. >> you get to a point, julie davis, where, you know -- i don't know who they are, they have the definition. he has more access to information than any human being in the united states. you have to come to a conclusion after years of this that it's deliberate. >> right, and as you pointed out

that it's basically the same thing that he said about david duke when he was asked to disavow him during the campaign after duke had endorsed him. he said i don't know who that is. whether you believe that is or not as the president i think at this point it's pretty clear that if he wanted to say let's call this what it is, it's white supremacy and it's unacceptable but he could say that. that's not what he said even after he did get some pushback from some republicans who are deeply uncomfortable with this rhetoric and deeply uncomfortable with the fact that he's unwilling to condemn these groups and this way of thinking and instead what you hear is let law enforcement take care of it, but he doesn't come out and say that this is -- this is not something that is in keeping with the values of this country. he has had many opportunities to do that, and he simply doesn't take them and so i think that is why you have republicans really feeling so anxious about that debate performance and realizing that here in the last stretch of the campaign this is going to be not just something that he

refuses to condemn but as john said, a key theme of his rallies and his appeal to voters is this kind of race-baiting approach, that he obviously thinks is working in his favor. >> right, and so laura, that's what makes the republican reaction interesting because they have increasingly listened to the president. right now in the final weeks of of this campaign he's borrowing the language of george wallace, if you will, so i want you to listen to many soft republican reaction, first it's common sense and on the other side we'll talk about how it's rare. listen. >> i think he it. if he doesn't i guess he didn't misspeak. >> i want to -- tim scott said it was unacceptable not to condemn white supremacists and do i so in the strongest possible way. >> does the president condemn white supremacist? >> absolutely. >> was it is a statement for him to leave that hanging out thereto? >> he should unequivocally

condemn white supremacy. >> duhh.should be t-ball for anybody, but republicans offer shrug off or hide or say nothing when there's a trump outrage and now they see damage down ballot. they see this as hurting had them. >> and to everything we've talked about so far in this segment, john, it's surprising that it's taken them this long to realize that it could potentially hurt them in key races given that trump's refusal to condemn white supremacy is a feature, not a bug of his presidency. it's something that he hasn't done the entire time he's in office. . on tuesday he refused and wednesday again he very weakly appeared to say i denounce some forms of that, whatever it is you're referring to. and then also last night in keeping with this strategy he

equated being low income being a person of color in this country and in the next breath he said, quote, this is ruining our american dream so, again, this is a strategy that he has used repeatedly. it's one republicans have used since the 1960s to win white voters and stow should come as no surprise to republican senators at this point in the presidency. >> and so, jill, to laura's point. it is part of a republican playbook that goes back years and i want to put up our road to 270 map at a moment. a playbook that you used in the '50s and '60s may not use in 2020 when arizona, yes, back in the '0s and '60s a largely white state is growing more brown and latino by the second. we lean it democratic right now. you see florida. there's a tossup, a state with remarkable diversity, north carolina, a place where george wallace might have sole his message in the '60s, a lot harder for president trump to sell that same message in the 2020s because the changing

demographics of america. the president refuses to accept the country that he leads. >> that's right. but republicans very well understand all of those dine mix and i think far, from you know, sort of being caught by surprise by this, i think republicans have been living in this reality for quite a while, that this is -- this is there. this is as laura said a feature, not a bug of trump's message and all they can hope for is that it sort of fades into the background and into as prominent for voters but what the president is doing is making it his primary focus and that's a real problem for them. clearly they are important in terms of the presidential race. they are also very important in terms of republican efforts to maintain the senate majority, and you have independent voters in some of those states, women, more moderate voters. people in the suburbs and some of these incredibly competitive house districts who are just turned off by this, and this is a dynamic that they saw in play in 2018 in advantage of the mid-term elections. they were worried that trump's

rhetoric and his approach was going to sweep them out. they saw that actually come true and i think everyone is quite nervous that we're going to see a similar pattern play out here in the general election. >> not happy with the message and especially not happy with the message at the moment, 33 days to election day. julie davis and laura brown reporting. a look at the white house response to the coronavirus and how optics interfered with the white house handling of this from the very beginning.

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compared to a week ago. it's just about the opposite of what the president tells you and his own coronavirus task force right now is pushing states to do more to try to slow a fal-- slow a fall surge. >> 27 states are reporting more new infections now compared to a week ago. look where they are. northern half of the country. it's getting colder as we head into the fall. 27 states reporting more new infections now than a week ago. we have 14 states holding steady. nine states in green. fewer new infections now than a week ago. just take a peek two weeks ago at the map. you had more red down here, texas, new mexico and the southern half of the state here. we had 23 states, 24 states, excuse me, trending up two weeks ago and look at different places in the country where they are. now it's essentially a swath across the northern part of the country and then a few other spots. if you look at the case trend, again, this is troubling. the idea to push the baseline down. well, we're either trickling up a little bit again or platt

growing at above 40,000 new infections a day on average. 40,000 new infections a day as a baseline. as you see the positivity rate going up and as you see across the northern part of the country the case count going up. this is a dangerous place to start heading into a surge. this is starting from 20,000 where we went. if we're at 40,000 here the last thing you want is a surge going up. you look at the death trend, a little bit of trouble signs in this. it was trending down. the blue line is the seven-day average. never down fast enough when it comes to this but it was trending down. you see this, but now you see 946 deaths, some heading up above 1,000. the where do you live in america? look at the map. the deeper the red, are the deeper the orange, the hire the case count per 100,000 residents. see all the deep red across the red here. no coincidence that public health experts would say that many of these are the states that would reopen early and many

states are late or still not having mask mandates or not having mask mandates. look at all the deep red. look at it up here as well. a debate now. a debate whether it comes to politics or public health. >> if everybody wore a mask and social distanced between now and january we'd probably save up to 100,000 lives. it matters. >> and they have also said the opposite. >> no serious person said the opposite. >> all right. >> dr. fauci said the opposite. >> he did not. >> that's taken out of context. i have explained this multiple times, and i'm on the record countless times about that. so anybody who has been listening to me over the last several months knows that a conversation does not go by where i do not strongly recommend that people wear masks. >> you heard dr. fauci saying right there. president took him out of context. listen here. new cnn reporting today illustrates how hard fauci's

boss makes it to sell that important message about wearing masks. administration administrations recall an early west wing directive that wearing a mask was, quote, not a good look inside the white house and that the goal was to portray confidence and to make the public believe that there was absolutely nothing to worry about. the joining us now our national security correspondent who has this reporting. vivian, i was reading your report, from the very beginning. certain people inside the white house saying do not make this look like people need to worry. >> reporter: that's right, john. what began as the president's desire to save face and avoid a public panic as we've heard him say began with internal wrangling at the white house and the national security council right across the street about what the policy should be intirnlly for employees of the government. my long read if you go to cnn.com real dives into that wrangling, especially on two issues, messaging to the public and these things masks, whether or not to wear them, and it began with efforts by senior

administration officials, senior national security officials to get staff on the national security council and the white house to wear masks. one particular person, deputy secretary mat pottinger who was a china expert who had been watching this closely was very alarmed of what he was seeing in china and started to get the word out to senior officials about the need to protect staff so that if the government is undated did or country was they would be safe and kept advocating for mask-wearing, the other one peter navarro, top trade expert for china began advocating for this and other officials as well and the west wing started to push back essentially listening to a lot of advice that the boss was putting out there, the president, saying listen, it's not a good look. that's a direct quote from one official, it's not a good look people wearing around not wearing a mask. what if the media sees us

walking around, what does this say? and the president to this day has been skeptical about the need for wearing masks and certainly in those days he was very skeptical and that view began trickling down, and -- and essentially national security staff said you can't -- legally you can not force people to wear masks on staff so pushed back on wearing masks and you can't really enforce it, and here we are, six months later 200,000 people dead and the public still not clear what the mask policy should be in terms of keeping safe. john? >> what is clear is an example from the top always helps. vivian solama, good reporting. got to cnn.com and read the full report in detail. think about this for yourself. joining us now to continue the conversation, the former cdc official, the director of the resolve to save lives and prevent epidemics team. good to hear you today. you'll hear vivian talking about from the very beginning masks are not a good look.

president doesn't like them in the west wing. conveys some urgency or alarm or panic. an issue at very beginning and an issue today. the coronavirus task force at white house again alerting states across the country. this is to georgia. mitigation efforts must condition including mask wearing, iowa. institute mask requirements statewide. wyoming, face conversation in indoor public and commercial spaces in all red and orange and yellow counties. look at this. this is the national positivity rate right now. i was talking about how there appeared to be progress. down below 5%. now at least on a dale base as i you see the numbers are starting to trend back up again at a bad time. this as the administration's point man on testing saying you want to get it a positivity rate go down, spread out, wearing a mark of. >> it's very critical as we resocialize and open up the country that everyone needs to be disciplined about wearing a

mask. our national surveys are about 50% of people wear a mask all the times when they are outdoors and can't physically distance. we really need to update that to 70% to 75% to 80%. >> how difficult is it, doctor, as a public health leader if you're trying to get people to pay attention and save themselves and save others when the ceo of the operation, this time the president on a debate stage the other night, when joe biden was pushing for mark use and says some people say the opposite. >> yeah. i think it's very concerning when there's not a unified message about something that we know works so it gives people a reason not to do things that we know, you know, can help save lives so this kind of mixed messaging means we won't get mask-wearing levels up to where they need nobody. >> help me as the former cdc official. the cdc put out a no sail order for cruise ships last night and recent outbreaks on cruise ships overseas provide current

evidence that cruise ship travel continues to amplify the cars cov2 and it would likely spread the infection in u.s. communities if passenger operations were to resume prematurely so no sail through october but the cdc wanted to go months deeper in next year and received pressure from the white house not to do that. what does that tell you? >> another example of science being overridden or kind of edited by people who aren't experts. cdc has a long history of working with work cruise through its vessel sanitation program even before covid and cruise ships have been described as petrie dishes for covid. we know there's a lot of people in a closed space and a lot of departures leading from areas of high community transmission like florida so it's going to be impossible to keep the virus out. we can't keep it out of schools in florida and why would we be able to keep it out of cruise ships and if there are cases on

a cruise ship, you know, it's a big problem. >> help me understand this moment. i was just over at the wall going through. we have more than half of the states reporting more infections and 29 states up compared to last week. i want to show you wisconsin. new confirmed cases can, a lot across the midwest and what i'll call the northern swath of the country where it's just a fact that we're getting cold ker as we head into fall. you can see the wisconsin, there's cases going up and hospitalization arcs are going up. where are we at this very moment in this fight? >> yeah. we're getting worse again. i mean, you know, as schools and universities opened, as we have the labor day holiday, we could expect to see a rise in case and we are seeing that. we see a regional transition from the northeast to the south and rest and now to the midwest and these are areas where there's a lot of people who haven't had covid and they are susceptible to getting infect and we're seeing the disease spread. the situation is worsening and this is a difficult time that we're entering into, colder

weather and people indoors and we note sexually transmitted disease transmitted more easily, flu season and definitely reasons to be concerned and the last point i'll make issy with ear losing sight of the virus with rapid antigen rolling out across the country and not being counted potentially in the case counts, that's going to be an increasing problem where we don't know where disease is spreading so we can't stop it. >> sober insights, but i'm grateful for them as always. doctor, thank you for your time. up next for us, thousands of job cuts hitting had the major airlines today as the industry struggles because of the coronavirus economy.

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new numbers today from the government highlighting the covid economic punch. 897,000 americans filed for first-time unemployment benefits for the first type. that's a slight decline from the week before but still a very tough number. today's labor department report shows continued claims. that counts workers who filed ben for benefits for two weeks.

nearly 11.8 million americans are filing for continued unemployment. the global fashion retailer h & m announcing today will close 2506 its stores yesterday and more than 250,000 airline workers face losing their jobs today. that after congress failed to expand the paycheck support program. american and united airlines combined, some 32,000 works, will be cut loose. this morning delta's ceo telling cnn there is an urgent need in the airline industry for more help from congress. >> we all thought we'd be in a better position relative to the virus compared to today. we're not. if we don't get the support from congress we will be required as an industry to furlough tens of thousands of people. hopefully six months time we'll be through a better spot.

we'll at least be in a more stable position to see how the recovery is taking shape. >> let's bring in our business editor at large richard quest. this is just a continued punch in pain from the covid-19. >> yes, and the airline industry, are nobody should be surprised that it's gone over the cliff in the last 24 hours. this was well telegraphed. when i listened to ed bastion there, i'm not sure what the industry could have done. they have told the president several times and congress numerous times that if you do not put in place extra provision after the cares act we'll have to let staff go simply because there's not been enough people flying. that's what happened. if you look at united, 13,000 job losses or furlough or what american has announced, 19,000. delta is merely waiting until their next intern along with all the other carriers and, john, these are not temporary

furloughs if these jobs go. the nature of the airline industry requires recertification, both in engineering, flight attendants, pilot level, so if these jobs are allowed to go, it will be very difficult to bring them back anything other that be just a few day disease or a week or two down the road, but, john, bear in mind this, the politicians were warned that this is what was going to happen if they didn't act by the end of last month. they didn't and it has. >> they didn't and it has. richard quest appreciate the perspective. we'll watch this one playing out and to that very point that richard just made. struggling americans hand businesses looking to washington for help are at best being put on hold. lots of discussions between democrats and republicans about a new stimulus plan but no emphasis and no breakthrough yet. house democrats today will bring up a plan of their own but

consider this vote later today to likely be more after campaign marker than an indication of any progress. manu raju is tracking this for us up on capitol hill. manu, no breakthrough. am i right. this is more about the campaign than about helping people. >> yeah. this is about the democrats saying what they would do if they had their way but they need republican support particularly to get it out of the senate and as a republican in the white house. this the bill will pass along party lines later today. it won't go anywhere in the senate and then the focus will be back again on nancy pelosi and steve mnuchin, the treasury secretary and house speaker, on whether or not they can come to some sort of agreement. they have been talking in recent days. they have moved a bit closer on the overall price tag but they are still far apart. the administration is willing to go up to 1.6 trillion and the speaker has come down from her $3.4 trillion approach to about $2.2 trillion but that's on the

price tag. there's a whole host of policy differences that they are far apart on, whether it's how to deal with funding for schools, whether it's how to deal with the $600 a week in expired jobless benefits and provide states with more money for election funding in the fall. those are just a handful of the very difficult issues that they have to resolve and then there's the problem in the united states senate, republicans don't want to go nearly has high as the administration does at the moment. one top republican john thune told me yesterday that the higher you go, the more republican votes you go and going over $1 trillion means there will be fewer republican votes. it's a very difficult needle to thread. as nancy pelosi just told reporters, we come from two very different places, referring to her and the administration. she says talks will continue but it's a sign there's a long way to go. john. >> it's a sign that increasingly it looks like voters at the ballot box will have to try to settle this one. manu raju on capitol hill, keep

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in 33 days we start to count votes and start to fill in this map. watch the candidates in the final weeks. where they go tell a lot about campaign strategy so let's take a closer look at joe biden's train tour. from the debate site in cleveland into pennsylvania and let's do it use the 2016 election map. hillary clinton wins the popular vote but loses the electoral college. joe biden started in cleveland. critical. cuyahoga county, critical to democrats. you need big high turnout there, but more importantly is where he went from there. took a train ride down and skipped through here stopping in alliance, right up here on the border of stark county. look what happened in stark county four years ago, 56% for president trump, won ohio pretty handley. look at 12, barack obama carried stark county. look at 2008, let's go back a little bit more. barack obama carried, the defection of white blue collar workers away from the democratic party, absolutely critical to the democratic ticket in 2020. then the train ride went on into

pennsylvania, absolutely critical for joe biden. one of those states, the blue states, president trump flipped four years ago. there were stops near pittsburgh, allegheny county, that's a democratic union strong hold and democrats need to run it up here. joe biden's train tour ended here in westmoreland county with several stops here. john mccain carried that in 2008 and mitt romney in 2012. this is republican territory. mitt romney at 61 and john mccain at 57 and if you're going to win pennsylvania, remember how narrow it was, donald trump at 64. the democrats don't have to win westmoreland county, they just have to do better. have to do better with blue collar workers and joe biden thinks that a lot of people who live here and work with their hands think the democratic party has forgotten him. at the end of the train ride he thinks he at least got a listen. >> do you think you made an effective argument on the economy issue? >> we'll find out in the election. i feel good about the whole day

and feel good about what's happened last couple of days it and it looks like based not on our polling, independent polling, that we're making -- we're picking up an awful lot of the folks who used to be democrats. they are coming back home, but we'll see. >> let's discuss this with alex burns, "new york times" national political correspondent. alex, just interesting to watch the train ride. number one, it's the busiest day on the campaign trail for joe biden in memory since the coronavirus changed everything, but you can tell what a candidate is trying to do by where he goes, and the math is pretty simple. if joe biden can do well in stark county ohio and do well next door in youngstown and when you move into pittsburgh and then johnstown and that area, latrobe, doesn't have to win all of those towns but can do just better than hillary clinton, then we have a different election. >> that's absolutely right. john in, some of these places, you know, the area around johnstown you are talking about counties that barack obama lost by a huge double-digit margin in

2012, but hillary clinton lost by about twice as much four years later, and part of the biden theory of the case is that for you hold down trump's margins in rural areas and outer outer suburban areas, then that makes a big difference to the overall statewide picture, and this is happening according to our polling, the "new york times" polling, across the map, that when you look at other states in the midwest, places like michigan, wisconsin, minnesota, president trump is still winning white men. he's still winning white voters without college degrees and still winning rural voters, sometimes by very considerable margins, but by smaller margins than he won in 2016. >> and that's what makes it critical. so you mentioned your polling. let's look at the pennsylvania version of that. this is the "new york times"/sienna college poll. among white voters with a college degree joe biden leads 59-33. if you look at white non-college, donald trump is up 52-39. and you would say the president is winning with the non-college voters but it was double that,

it was 32-64 hillary clinton so joe biden is moving the race on the margins. in a way, remember, pennsylvania, wisconsin and michigan, that was the blue wall. president trump flipped those. that's why he's in the oval office. as we speak today, a little under five weeks, a long time, things can change, joe biden has that advantage. >> he do, and, john, i think it's worth setting back to sort of take in what a dramatic shift this is from some of the post-2016 conventional wisdom within the democratic party that they were -- there were loud voices in the democratic party up through much of the primary campaign last year saying essentially those voters are gone. they are not coming back. they are all for president trump, and, you know, again, president trump is going to win those areas, but biden from the beginning of this campaign has staked his candidacy, first in the primary and then obviously in the general election, on the idea that, yeah, there are persuadable voters out there who will be willing to vote for democrats if you run a more

moderate message and you really hit the kitchen table issues where he saw the president as real vulnerable. it's really worth emphasizing here that these are voters who supported president trump, yes, because of his views on issues like immigration but also because he said he'd be a different kind of republican than people had seen in the past by protecting social securitying and delivering a health care plan better and cheaper than the affordable care act and doing stuff for unions. it's not how he's governed and become a huge vulnerability. >> one of the great tests in this campaign. as joe biden noted on this train tramp, donald trump said i am your voice and joe biden trying to make the case that he's forgotten them. alex burns, thanks for taking time to walk us through it. coming up, changes to the debate format are in the works after tuesday's off-the-rails night. what happens when we break prop. 13

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in voting 'yes' on 19. the commission on presidential debates now promising rules changes before president trump and democrat joe biden meet for the second debate two weeks from now. more than 73 million americans tuned in tuesday so many of you already understand why the rules are getting a new look. >> sir -- >> with a billion dollars -- >> sir -- >> that is absolutely not true. >> you will have -- >> gentlemen, i hate to raise my voice but that seems to be -- why shouldn't i be different than the two of you? >> jessica dean joins us with more. i'm laughing because there's a comic element to it and a reprehencible element in that

the president decided to blow through the rules that the campaign signed off on and the time cues and common courtesy and what does the commission do about it? >> it's a good question. the commission said we are going to look at the rule changes. they have not specified what exactly those changes are but they want to add additional structure to the upcoming debates. this is what "the new york times" is reporting of possibilities, new speaking limits, new time spookieaking ls for the candidates, having to yield back time or giving the moderator the ability to turn off the microphone. but again we don't know exactly what they're going to decide to do and a key thing here, too, is how will these new rules be enforced? will the candidates particularly president trump who you mentioned blew through the rules

of the debate earlier this week, how will they way -- will those new rules stick at all? john, of course, as you know, we have three more debates on the horizon, the vp debate october 7, we have got the presidential debate on the 15th and then the 22nd and this next presidential debate will be a town hall format so it will be interesting to see if the dynamic shifts once they have to take questions from voters. >> it is a little different to be rude to the opponent and chris wallace opposed to a voter who may decide whether or not you get to be president or not. appreciate that. god speed to my good friend steve scully. a new study on the role of kids and super spreaders in this coronavirus pandemic. - got a taste for a deal?

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