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i am chris cuomo, welcome back to our live continuing coverage, president trump is battling covid-19 right now at walter reed medical center. he'll be hospitalized the next few days. we'll see how his virus and infection progresses. we heard from him a short while ago, how else? twitter. he posted going well, i think. thank you to all. love. look, this got to be a scary time for him and his wife and family. i really do wish them well. this is not politics. i have had this virus, i do not witch it on anybody. it is sad that he has it and shameful as well. it did not need to happen. he was on board in a suit and mask. we don't know how sick he is. this is not a guy that's going to check to the hospital if he

was not terrible. if he didn't have to go, he would not go. he took an experimental drug. he took remdesivir which is something they are using on a case by case basis and he's in the hospital. now we heard from the white house's doctor who says the president is not requiring additional oxygen. that's good. no word of hydroxychloroquine, why? because the proof is not there and now you know. the time came for the president and the physician to make a choice for him, he did not take it. the first lady is battling this along with a whole host of people around them which is giving us our best understanding of why we are here, looking much less likely this is about hope hicks and much more like a week away. kellyanne conway tested positive as well. she put out words tonight. long time former adviser

manager, she tweeted her symptoms are mild and feeling basically fine. this is early in the process. governor christie was there and he's waiting on his test and rudy giuliani, was doing a debate prep and steven miller and all the people around this president were with him on saturday or the days there ev after. what about the wait staff? we are all not going to get remdesivir or not flown to the hospital. all of this did not have to happen. the spread at the white house and the brag of a nomination and no masks? law and order. law is the cdc's guideline. wear a mask, socially distance. order is doing things that have a preference towards safety, not

this. you should not be here right now. too many have suffered for too long and too many are now loss. guide dance matter from the top. if you have any questions whether to social distance or wear a mask? my brothers and sisters you must not be attention, we need our president more than ever. we have not rounded the corner, let's pray his diagnose may be a wake up call not just for him or all of us. this will not magically disappear, okay? for the latest on trump's health, let's go to jeremy diamond outside walter reed, thank you for being out there at this hour. ge jeremy, what do we know? >> reporter: it has been a world

winds the last 24 hours. you this think the people aroun them who tested positive. we heard the president and the first lady tested president and we heard mcdaniel tested positive and mike lee from utah and again the white house chief of staff mark meadows expect other white house officials will also test positive. as far as the timeline is to watch the evolution of the description of the president's condition and the measures that have been taken to address his coronavirus symptoms. around 1:00 a.m. they announced the president tested positive for coronavirus. the white house's doctor says

president trump was doing well. past forward 14 hours later, the president is landed here at walter reed not just to come here for a few hours but admitted as a patient to the hospital and remain here for several days. we learned that the president earlier today at the white house received this antibody cocktail. since then he's being administered doses of remdesivir that shown some success in addressing coronavirus. obviously there is been a revolution in how he's feeling. we heard he had a fever throughout the day. the white house's physician dr. conley reassures the country is

doing well and he has not needed supplemental oxygen which is a concerning sign if the president did begin to need oxygen as well to support his breathing. >> yeah, look. all the indications they are doing everything they can. this is going to be a battle in all likelihood. if you have symptoms usually it is not a day or two and done especially at his age but overwhelmingly he should make it. i was under the impression that the president was getting tested everyday, is that not true? >> reporter: that's what the white house told us. he's tested everyday and sometimes he's tested more than once a day. this is a huge question. why did the covid-19 test on wednesday and thursday did not pick up this virus particularly these tests are supposed to pick it up when you are asymptomatic as well or pre-symptomatic

before you start to experience symptoms. the protocol at the white house did not go as they were supposed to but also you can't take one part of the safety measures and disregard the rest. it is one component of all these other things you are supposed to do in addition to social distancing and wearing a mask. those are the parts of the safety protocol that is the white house and this president completely disregard. >> testing is about control and masks and social distancing hygiene. jeremy diamond, thank you very much. let's bring in dr. sanjay gupta. in terms of why the president is in the protocol that he's in, i think a good way to look at it is to look at the fact that the first lady is not.

if he were having such mild symptom symptoms that he was basically fine. you probably don't take him to the hospital and not give him remdesivir, right? >> it is a really good point. you have an example here of obviously a level of concern providing that experimental non-authorized antibody. that was given at the white house. that was a compassion use of application. there must be a level of concern that was high enough. it was given to the president and not to the first lady and now at walter reed getting this other medication, remdesivir which is an antiviral medicine. >> remdesivir, where does it stand in terms of science and

application to covid-19? >> yes, this was sort of the first i believe therapeutic to get emergency authorization use, that was back in may where we got in eua, there was a lot of excitement. it was the first medication that really showed any effectiveness against this virus. we looked at the data and what they found was it did decrease the duration that people did have symptoms from 15 days to 11 days. it is not a knock-out punch but it was the first time you had anything working. it is unclear if it decreases mortality. this medication is given for five days so we'll see if that's what the president gets. today is day one. it is a more effective medication if given earlier. if he gets so much virus in the system, slowing down the

reputation repetition at that point is not that is beneficial. they said he's not receiving supplemental oxygen. this is am medication given to people either receiving supplemental oxygen or measuring your oxygen below 94%. that's when it seems to work best. >> i got jammed up today and there were all these traffic and i had to make a detour and wound up taking the helicopter right here on time. they tested my blood oxygen, i had not had that done since i was sick. when they put that clip on my finger and you know i was waiting for the number to come up, it brought back memories. >> was it okay? >> yes, if it was not, i would not be here. rest is such a big deal and you and i talked about this a lot.

i said it before, don't tweet right now. the country is better served by you resting. i got a text from one of his guys saying this is not late for him. this is a change for him. they're going to be telling him he got to sleep. at this point, what is the next week -- is it the critical period or what kind of watch period is there? >> well, you know, first of all we are not sure what the calendar is here for the president. we heard he got the positive test yesterday and started developing -- it is really a crazy 24 hours as jeremy is lining up there. you have the positive results came back at 24 hours exactly ago. >> he's getting symptoms that fast? he would test positive after

exposure with hope hicks and he would get symptoms that fast? >> it does not fit, right? >> let's see we can put the timelin timeline. you asked about this last hour. you get the exposure to the virus. a lot of people never know where you got the exposure. do we have the graphic? the exposure and look at that, that's the incubation period. >> incubation that means it is building up on you. >> the virus is in you and it is replicating. it is going to replicate to the point eventually where a couple of three things could happen. you may start to develop symptoms, on average it is around five days and where the virus is detectable as well and that's when you are going to be infectious. keep in mind as we talked about it, look at the orange line at the bottom, that's before the person actually had any symptoms

and they're starting to become infectious. if he started having symptoms today, yesterday or whatever day it was, he probably got exposed on average five days earlier. if he's getting tested everyday, you would think he would have a positive test sometimes before yesterday. we don't know that. now that he's symptomatic , you got to keep in mind the two to three days earlier he was quite contagious. that's what the contact trace is going to look at. he was in five states over a few va days. he was with a lot of people. that's going to be a challenge to go back in contact trace. >> do we know he's doing that? >> we heard they're trying to do that. we know they're trying to do it based on the rose garden ceremony on saturday. i don't know how much they are doing it. we know the people in new jersey

got a letter, the president was positive when he did that event in new jersey. they got a letter. they basically been told to go to the cdc website. but it is a level of concern and anxiety. as you point out a lot of people will go out and get tested. that does not mean necessarily anything if it comes back negative because it can take several days to come back positive. so you know you are looking at a lot of different viral dynamics and how this all works through this one example here. >> doctr. sanjay gupta, you are amazing. 24 hours a day and always on time. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> this is a complete mess. it is horrible for the president and his wife and family. shameful that it happened. it did not just happen to them. it happened to us, too. he's the president of the united

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if you get coronavirus is your choice how much you want to tell the world. donald trump is president of the united states and our kmnd commander-in-chief, his case brings national security. julia, good to see you my friend. >> nice to see you, chris. >> i don't understand how even

if it were true they had no indication of any kind of contagion around the president with hope hicks and it does not make sense. they wait 24 hours to test the president? why? >> yes. none of them are good. the president spent 3.5 years breaking institutions that were built to protect the office of the presidency. whether it is intelligence agency or legal agency, this is a president who's essentially succeed inside that regard. whatever the president wants, he can demand. we don't know if he's going to say i am going to wait a day and go to this fundraiser and what happens is the system recoils because of his demand. in the process he has not only

harmed himself but harms the office of presidency. in the process our enemies and allies look at us on our knees and looking at the president now is sick. great, our enemies love unforced errors and that's what this is. >> i was under the impression they test him everyday. >> yeah. >> how can that be? >> there is only three explanations i could think through. first is that's a lie. it is possible that they are not testing everyday. the timing of the testing was off in terms of when it could pick up whether he was infected and the third is as we know the avid test have a lot of false negative and he could have taken it at the right times and

exhibiting symptoms and avid test shows a false negative. that's why people like me spent the last six months with you, is not about a single solution. the testing was going to keep the virus away. the reason why we talk about layer defense because you don't want a single test to sort of bring down the entire white house and a national security establishment and senate, so masking and social distancing and work from home, all the things we have laid out in 2020 that we have to continue into 2021 that donald trump is always looking for a quick fix as a solution to this and the errors of that philosophy among many when it comes to covid-19 response and it comes straight home to him and now he's quite sick.

if you think it is a hoax, look at him. we hope it gets better so he can reenforce that message and maybe people will get together in this country. transparency verses secrecy. at what point do you not want to say how he's doing or what's happening or how it is spreading through his side of the political party because of this rose garden ceremony and because it is a national security risk. >> i mean at this stage i don't think there is anything we can hide. the virus is contagious. it it should not be a shock to anyone. if you see a picture of a lot of people and half of them are sick. the question you have to ask is, is the president's health sufficiently questionable at this? >> we don't know what's going on at the hospital and it is safe to say that he's not able to

perform his duties efficiently. in that case the american public deserves to know what's the extent of his sickness and if appropriate the president itself of our 25th amendment seize power to the vice president until he's healthy enough. the thing with this administration is they make everything -- they're like drama queens. they make everything so dramatic. the constitution envisions a scenario just like this. between the lies and the drama everything becomes a price with this white house. it is people like us and the american citizens do not only demand transparency but not to lose our heads with them. we are under no obligation to lose our heads with this

administration. this system seems to be adapting to even a sick president and you know we'll get through this. you think those rallies should be deemed national security risk? >> yes. i don't mind people going there. i mind them leaving. you guys can all stay there. it is them leaving that drives -- i think absolutely. anything that would be a super spreader event should be off limits. it should not happen and led alone a president sort of demand them. there is no reason for them at the stage. this is the sad thing of where we are right now. if there is one person who could convince skeptics to wear a mask and be responsible and work from home and be six-feet away from colleagues and friends and it would have been donald trump. his capacity to lead pockets of

this country that made it more k skeptical about a responsive pandemic because he did not do it. he could have leave them and save a couple of thousands of lives. that's on him at this stage. >> that's what the election is about. it will be interesting to see how this plays with his followers and the rest of the country. >> thank you very much for the national security piece on this. >>. >> that's when the succession was done. >> one by one we are hearing names being diagnosed with this virus. six of them shares one thing in common, they're all at the white house and unmasked last weekend. you got to look at the science.

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along with the president, six people confirmed positive, most of whom who are at the rose garden ceremony for his supreme court nominee a week ago. this is not looking like a hope hicks' thing. she was evidence of a place where they all were and now the virus starting to build up in their systems to the point where it would be measurable. the seating chart put them all close by. not a mask to be seen among them. we also have a list of other people who were there who we are waiting on. do we have that? at some point it would appear. that's important because that's contact tracing. you have to find out when these

other people that were waiting on testing. there we go. whether or not kellyanne conway is on there. we know her answer. mark meadows came out without a mask today. we don't know about him. judge amy coney barrett either had symptoms that were covid-like or had covid earlier this summer. melania obviously the first lady we know about. chris christie on there, we are waiting to hear from him and rudy giuliani was on the debate. bill stephen, he has it. and oh yes, so and so was

tested, they were negative. we have to wait a couple more days to see them tested again. the idea is that the president needs to get better so he can get back to those rallies. let's talk to dr. lena. this is one week ago after the ceremony. >> i am very concerned, if i were to custom design the event, this is what it would look like. >> leana wen, we have to change her name to dr. cassandra wen. dr. leana wen, you were right, of course we believe. what does it tell us about what we can still expect from that

population? >> chris, we'll be expecting more infectiousns. we have to look at individuals and events. it was just a large study done out of india found that 70% of people with covid don't spread it to anyone but 60% of all infections are spread by 8% of people. there may be people who are up and about more and then if they happen to be in a setting like maybe what we are seeing on saturday where they are around a lot of people and there is not masks wearing and individuals are shaking hands and greeting each other in a way that may not be during a pandemic. i hope contact tracing is done aggressi aggressively. i am worried it is not done the way it should be.

people who are testing negative right now should gnat snot done. this is one test and i need to finish my quarantine period for 14 days. >> the difference between the president and the first lady, the idea that no he's doing fine and this is an abundance of caution, well, why didn't she get the remdesivir drug? >> he would not be going to walter reed out of abundance of caution if he did not have significant change over the course of today and i am suspicious of the timeline. it does not make sense that suddenly and less than a day that he would have gone from testing positive and having basically very mild symptoms to

no symptoms to suddenly progress in the point where he needs to be in the hospital on a bunch of medical treatments. i want to hear on what happened and when is it the white house really knew that he tested positive? >> professor, thank you for being with us. what is do you this i of the idea that hope hicks gave it to him on wednesday night and they tested him 24 hours which you have to ask why did you even wait that long and that's how he got it. does it make sense to you? >> you are completely right. she was the coal mine. she was the one that's symptomatic first. it looks like something that happened during the weekend, the rose garden or one of the events after that. what i get worried about now is there is going to be a cluster at that rose garden.

you know hope hicks and president trump were both symptomatic . if they are one of those people can move this infection forward of the number of contact people had, this is not over. we'll be contact tracing and quarantining people really weeks after this event. >> the decision, professor, to let him go to new jersey, the white house says yeah, we are given clearance by the operation people that was okay. what does that determination looked like and what would they have to believe or ignore to make that determination? >> they would have to ignore literally decades of data. when you are around somebody that's infectious, you need to

quarantine. we know with the pathogen is 14 days. my family had to quarantine because my son got sick. everyone was negative and we dou could go out. we did the responsible thing. what the president did was not responsible, knowing he had close contact with the person who was diagnosed and infected. that's the pinnecal. >> so what do you have to do now? a lot of these people and of course you have the wait staff and all the people working at the white house. they're not the boldface names but they're not going to get access to the kind of care and testing. you have to think about them.

how broad of a circle that you have to draw? >> we know a study that came out this year, on average one single person has over 36 contacts in two days. they'll share some of the same contacts but they could be 36 or more people for every person that's testing positive we know a lot of these people are highly mobile, they have a lot of contacts in different places. we may find that this circle or web that gets cast from this contact tracing easily going to be in the hundreds. it could be 500 or 600 depending on how big this cluster was and how many people these people had around on tuesday, wednesday, and thursday as it started to

emerge that these people were infected and infectious. it is going to have a title wave of effect. >> assuming they want to find out and digging that much. i have been talking to people tonight who they were in and around the event, they have not heard from the white house. now you have the medical side of what we can start thinking about with the president. they say he's still conducting business. i had a decent case, i was able to do the show. i didn't feel good but i was still able to. what's the chance doctor when he's out of the hospital ready to go in a week? >> it is hard to say because we have little information about the president's condition.

we as physicians want to know what's his vital signs and blood rate and oxygen saturation. the white house is saying he's not required supplemental oxygen but is he struggling to breathe or getting any support to breathe? the other thing of this illness is that it is tricky. there are patients who may seem to be doing well and they don't seem that sick for seven days or ten days and suddenly their condition worsens and they deteriorate. that's important for us as americans to keep in mind. we should be monitoring and sending him our thought and prayers and well wishes but we can't breathe a sigh of relief even he's seen to do well because his condition can worsen. i would not count him returning

within a week. >> and even if he's feeling better and does not worsen which hopefully is the case, he can still be contagious for a while. hopefully that's something that starts to manner a little bit more. >> professor, what's the lesson in this? >> it does not matter if you got all the test ing in the world. if you don't put a layer of defense together to protect you around the virus is going to get in. we need testing and ventilation. you need to be putting all these things together and not just rest on your morals that one of them will do. it does not care who you are. it is going to find a way to find a new host. and it got into the white house and it moved through the white house quickly and we can see what it can do.

we just need to be smarter of the decisions we make. wear your mask. we don't have the luxury of testing for the vast majority of us. you can't let your guards down otherwise, it gets in and just blow up like we have seen the past few days. >> if you need a metaphor, we have al cluster in the white house. >> yes. >> i think that about says it all. >> professor, doctor, thank you so much for joining us. i hope your families are well and you are well. take care. this is unusual stuff. but, trump is not the first sitting president to fall ill. again, this is unusual but on a

dangerous virus. it has not been part of a presidential history. let's turn now to someone who followed the lives of the president where this one stands enough of context. good to see you tim. >> are you wearing the same thing on me tonight? >> i assure whatever you are wearing looks really good on you. let's do this krchronologically. >> president wilson is where we would start with, 1918. they were talking to me. they were saying take a break and we'll talk to him after. you know tim is here, i want him to put it in context. tim, we'll be right back. >> next.

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now look, i know it is 1:50 in the morning and where ever it is anywhere else in the country. you got to keep things in perspective. i am not an alarmist type of person. i don't buy that the president 24 hours after getting a test, after taking two experimental drugs. you know, it doesn't sound like everything's going really well. and that's okay because this virus is, often, a battle that takes days, or even a couple of weeks, before somebody's really getting over it. so that's okay. i don't -- there's no reason to be alarmist about it and dramatic. and by the way, this isn't the first time we've faced a serious preside presidential health crisis. okay? but we haven't dealt with anything like this, in a while. reagan shot in 1981. that was worse.

true. for more on the historical context, we have cnn presidential historian, tim neftali, as i told you before the break. now, looking at it chronologically, pandemic of 1918, okay. who was the president? and what was the deal there? >> well, it's -- it's dramatic. the parallels are very interesting. woodrow wilson was president during the pandemic of 1918-1919. he caught the flu. he was in paris for the paris peace negotiations, to end world war i. he got very sick. fever of 103. the -- the -- the fever lasted only a few days but it left him quite weakened. by the end of that month, april, 1919, he had a minor stroke. and then, six months later, he had a massive stroke, which left his left side paralyzed. so, the -- the pandemic of 1919 -- 1918, 1919, really did a

number on president wilson. one thing that should be kept in mind is that his doctors were not honest, at all, to the american people about the nature of his -- of his health. first of all, they didn't reveal, to the american public, that he had had the flu. secondly, they downplayed the effect of the strokes. and even after his massive stroke, they never revealed that he had been -- that he was disabled. that he was completely paralyzed on his left side. so, that story is a story of misinformation and a coverup by the president's doctors. >> and we didn't really learn that much from 1918, already. you know, it was -- tim knows this. he actually told me this. it was called the spanish flu but not because it was in spain. it's because spain blew the whistle. it had been going on in europe for six, eight months before that, and then, they let soldiers come home who they knew had it, to do a victory celebration i think in

philadelphia. and it wound up blowing up all over country. we know the rest of that story. he is sick because he's been hoisted on his own when clinicians have told him not to. so then, you have got reagan. '81. but a gunshot. and you knew, pretty soon thereafter, that he would survive. how does that one kind of square with you, with this? >> i'd like to bring up one other president because one of the challenges for americans is to get transparency and truth from presidential doctors. this has been a problem and it's not just story of woodrow wilson. during the eisenhower administration, president eisenhower had three serious health crises. he had a major heart attack. he had a obstructed bowel. and then, he had a minor stroke.

the information about the first two were pretty good. the doctors downplayed the actual effect of the stroke. after what happened to eisenhower, members of congress decided to pass legislation, which became an amendment to our constitution, which made it possible to transfer -- to transfer power from the president to the vice president in times of -- of -- of -- in a health crisis. that's the power the 25th amendment that we talk about now. in the case of our current president becoming, in some way, debilitated. so it's -- it's -- we've learned, over time, that we need to know more about our presidents, and that we have to have procedures so if they get very sick, there is a way for our government to continue. >> change is slow, right? 1967 to get it ratified, the 25th amendment. wasn't until 1967 so that took some time. all right. so, they dochn't often tell us e truth. especially, when it's going to

be meantntal incapacity. that's the information you want out there least, you know, because it suggests incapacity. so, reagan. we had a picture i saw online. or, maybe, we'll put it up here now. where he was doing work in the hospital. now, he had a story with us not really knowing the real deal of his mental capacity, either, while he was in office. >> of course. yeah. and -- and he uses the 25th amendment to pass authority to george herbert walker bush, who was the vice president. and then, he regained his powers. he probably regained them a little early because one of the great mistakes of his administration, the iran contra scandal, he made the decision to pay ransom, in a sense, by selling weapons to iran to get iran's allies in lebanon to release american hostages in beirut. that was made just after his colon cancer surgery. he probably was in no shape to be thinking about that kind of foreign policy machination.

he did it, anyway. >> hopefully, this time, the president's going to be okay. the transparency has not been good, to this point, even in this very episode. even the timing of how he got sick, we're not really sure. so, at some point, maybe, we will learn a lesson and do better going forward. tim neftali, those who do not learn from history, dot, dot, dot, doomed to repeat it. thank you, brother, as always. all right. the coverage is going to continue. in fact, today, saturday, i will be on, again, tonight. special, live saturday, two-hour edition of "prime time." 10:00 p.m. eastern. stay with cnn. we will give you the latest, as it happens, and we will think through this situation together.

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