doctor dodges. >> well, tom foreman, thank you very much. thank you all of you for joining us. breaking news coverage with anderson. >> reporter: the president of the united states returns to the white house a little more than an hour ago. three days since he was taken to the hospital and four days since he learned of his illness. we don't know how serious his condition was or is. he was in fefected with covid-1. he then turned around and without his mask walked inside, back into a white house that's now seen more covid infections than the last couple of days than the entire country of new zealand had. the president was trying to project strengths but he proves disregard of anyone else forced

to be around him. once he was inside and most people were no longer watching, he came back outside with a camera proved and walked back inside -- restaged what was already a staged event. yes, still no mask. tonight there is still so much we do not know about the president's health. we don't know why he was given the kind of drugs for most serious cases including one or mood altering medicine, steroid that can make the person feels better than the underlying condition. perhaps he's a president and he could get it but it is rare that anyone can get this kind of treatment. we don't know what he's being watched for or medicated for his event. we don't know if he had lungs damage. his doctor refused to say anything and we don't know when he contracted his virus and we

don't know when his last negative test was. he was supposed to be tested everyday. they refused to say when his last negative test was. there was no reason unless there is a reason that they would not say that. some of that is important because he's commander-in-chief and his well-being matters to everybody. so much matters to all the people he comes into contact with and hundreds of them at the rose garden and his campaign rallies, thousand os or the debe in cleveland where none of his family wore masks. he knew his senior adviser, hope hicks, had been infected and the white house told to pull off that trip because they had been around hope hicks. we had no answer to any of that when he left the hope and none tonight after he tweeted that he's leaving the white house and

conley spoke to reporters but saying little of that. >> does he have pneumonia or any inflammation in his lungs at all? >> we have done some imaging, i am not at liberty to discuss. >> so you are not actively telling us what those scans show? >> there are hippa rules and regulations that restricts me in sharing certain things for his safety and his own health and reasons. >> his own reasons. he does not want people to know what's going on. >> as for hippa, we'll be joined by someone who helps write it says it does not work like that. >> has he been given tylenol or advil. >> he has not been on a fever

reducing medication for 72 hours. >> he's on a regiment of covid therapy, i am not going to go into specifics of wh into specifics of what he is or not on. >> nor do we know how long has the president been infected. >> on testing, when did he have his last negative test? was it thursday, did you remember when his last negative test? >> i don't want to go backward. >> when was his last negative test and his viral?

>> dr. conley never answered and no one in the white house will answer that question. when was his last negative test? remember they say the president was tested everyday, the reason why he can wander around without mask. the president arrived late that he passed the test within the last 72 hours. there is no proof of that. if this guy is tested every single day, and the vice president is tested every single day, there should be a record. why would they tell people or show people? they made sure to let you know that jared kushner and shraivan trump recently tested. he traveled to bedminster for a fundraiser after hope hicks was

tested positive and days before that he flew back and around thousand of people on a rally. before that he shared the debate stage with joe biden and promised that he was negative. there is no evidence. all they have to do is answer the question, when was his last negative test. they won't do it. dr. conley declined to explain, he did call the president a phenomenal patient and telling the americans don't be afraid of covid. that's saying a lot. don't be afraid of covid. don't covid dominate your life. he did not mention more than 210,000 americans who have no choice, and who are dead and did

not have the kind of medical care that man has. did not get this kind of treatment. did not have access so it and in some cases can barely get treated until they had to be on ventilators and they were not rushed to the hospital and given top treatment. if he's using this as an example that he now knows what covid is and he's now understanding it as he said earlier in the video. he does not understand what most americans go through. the virus shows those people's faiths and to a large extent of his words and his actions and taking off that mask for a photo-op. fine. he walks around where people standing around and they have to be there and they have to have a smile on their face even though thankfully they get to wear a mask because they work for him. he does not care about them and

they know that tonight. that's the one thing they know about him. nearly 7.5 million people caught this virus. we learned white house's press secretary tested positive. campaign manager is positive of coronavirus. chris christie and two members of the house and the residents tested positive and they did not direct contact with the family. the white house will not tell them when the president last tested negative? how do you do contact tracing if you don't know when the person tested negative or positive? how do you tell people? who do you even know who to contact? jim acosta is there for us.

the photo-op, i was going to say a surreal scene. it is a scene we have seen in like some of the stand countries when you know dictator wants to put on a big show. something we have seen in a regime and the fact he had to go and restage it is incredible. i am wondering what you are hearing from sources you talk to. >> reporter: yeah, given the fact that the president bringing coronavirus back to the white house. we are reviewing the video of the president's return a short while ago. you can see him entering the white house about 7:00 p.m. eastern time and comes back at 7:08 and reshoots his reentry. we know this is a white house

videographer shooting this. he tweeted a message of him return to the white house which is more absurd. he says at one point that i know that i am better, maybe immuned, i don't know. don't let it dominate your life, get out there and be careful. he goes onto at one point towards the end suggesting that the vaccine is going to be out momentarily and so once again the president as he has before he contracted the virus and during his illness with coronavirus at the hospital and with his return at the white house, he's spreading misinformation much like he's spreading the virus around. it appears over the last several days. >> he's still shedding the virus. he's still highly infectious. >> that's right. >> the fact he took off his mask for a photo-op and walked into the white house. it seems like there were a couple of different ways he could have handled it well, maybe he's going to have a

epiphany and realized and from here on out for people to wear a mask and knowing most people don't have access to the kind of experimental treatment that he got unfortunately for the them -- good for him that he's able to get it. he's going to basically say this shows him to be superman, he defeated this, it is not a big deal and don't worry about it. is he going to continue to walk around the white house without a mask? do we know? >> he's trying to protect patient zero. my und talking to sources, he wants to go back to the way it was before coronavirus, is not possible for him. but, it is just unthinkable that he would walk around the white house without wearing a mask but that appears to be what he's planning to do as he was

returning to the white house this evening. there were other white house officials taking off their masks in close proximity. they live inside a different reality over here at the white house. that's what's so damn frustrating covering this presidency because we have seen in from the beginning of the administration. it is so critical because a deadly virus is skicirculating inside the west wing. i was in the upper press area of the west wing where the white house press staffers and communication staffers work everyday. it is gone. it is empty. they're all gone. that's because they had to flee the building because this is something of a hot zone. and so, the president may be interesting goied going back to oval office or getting back to business but there are not a lot of people here because people had to evacuate the building because of this deadly virus

circulating around. it is stunning and stupidity of what we are seeing tonight. >> yeah, jim acosta, appreciate it. joining us now, dr. sanjay gupta and our chief political analyst. sanjay, how contagious is he right now and we don't know many questions. is there any justification for him going back to the white house and taking off his mask? >> no. there is really not. we don't have some of those basic facts as you pointed zout we don't know where he is in his disease course. it is a contagious disease, he should be in isolation. most people know that by now and he has not been in isolation and

his car ride last night and a short car ride and a helicopter ride and walked inside without a mask on. that period he walked inside, there were people around him and that area, first of all, those people may be at increase risk. they're wearing mask to protect him. he already got the disease. he's not wearing a mask to protect them. and the area he walks inside, that'll likely has to be decontaminated. this is reckless. >> if somebody walked into a costco who was covid positive and wandered around without a mask, is that allowed? is that legal? >> no. i don't know the legality of it. that's an interesting question. we are revealing this for the first time of this sort of thing. but obviously even everyone is told they have to wear a mask in

public places, that's regardless of whether or not you have a positive diagnose. everyone has to behave like they have the virus. i don't know what the enforcement is. it is clear if the person has covid and knowingly expose people. i am sure that may be a different issue. he has it. this is not sir, just trying to be safe. he has the virus. we know that. again, we don't know how contagious he is at this point in his illness. he's putting people at risk. that entire space that he just walked into needs to be disinfected. >> maggie, what are you hearing from people in the white house what's going on inside that building? >> we have a president as jim says wants to come back and shows his strength and the

people that he beaten this virus. he has not. he is not helping as far as we know. he wants to pretend it does not exist. that's what we saw him do since march. all i keep thinking watching this video, people in the white house are freaking out. they're worried of lack of precautions. mark meadows and staffs of what they should do. it is only now of the pandemic they are allowing the possibility of west wing staff to tell the world which most companies have been doing for months. this president wants to pretend that none of this is happening. if you are someone who cancels

our wedding and you can go down the list, you see the president of the united states takes his mask off and knowing that he's infecting people, i don't know why he's thinking it as a political positive. >> president trump says don't be afraid of covid and don't let id dominate your life. i understand don't let it dominate your life. he wants people to get back to work. he wants people not to be afraid of covid. fear is not a bad thing. there is a reason the body feels fear is to protect yourself and other people. more than 210,000 americans dead from this disease. is there any other reading of that tweet other than beyond irresponsible? >> it is one thing that don't let it dominate your life. that's the reasonable approach. you think about fear. let me give you one set of

number to think about. when this president was diagnosed last thursday, another 40,000 americans were diagnosed on that same day. and about 200,000 americans became infected that day. of those 200,000, about a thousand may died from it. they may feel fine but they may p pass it to those. anyone under estimates the virus is putting themselves at risk and family at risk and they're putting those for whom they have responsibility at risk. >> gloria. >> in the time and the three nights he was at walter reed, i don't have the actual death toll of how many americans die of covid-19. none of them were receiving the experimental treatments with a team of doctors like this

president has had. again, he's president of the united states and he should get the best healthcare but so should everybody else. his experience is different than every other covid patient os ou there. >> the video he did tonight and it is stunning to me. i stood out front. i know there is a risk and there is a danger. that's okay and now i am better and maybe immune. is he talking about the risk he took in taking the drug? is he talking about the risk he took in the other drug he's on? is he talking about the risk he took going back to the white house and infected others? >> i think what he's doing is taking a cue from one of the folks on fox who i think was the

first one pushing this idea and they fully embraced it now that he is willingly sacrificed himself over the last several months because he needed to leave and protect us all from this. he's taken this upon himself. >> right. >> when as maggie reporte reported -- does that seem to be what they are trying to project now? >> there are a couple of different messages they are trying to project. one of them is indeed you know i was vulnerable because i am a president and i can't go hide in the basement, that's their line of joe biden and they're saying here, i had to go. there is something to that. president of the united states, he can't be out of site. that's very different because it is always a black or white with him. there is never anything in between. it can't be, he didn't have to have -- and it seems to be at

the epicenter of this that could encourage people to wear a mask. he is helping his supporters to grab on. one other thing is as if this is another long line of fights the president has been successful. that's not most people's experience with coronavirus. >> one more thing anderson. >> i spoke with somebody talking to the president this morning and he says look t preside, the sees himself as a warrior, this is one more thing that he defeats and he's going to take that message to the american people of what i did for myself, i am going to do for you and that's how i am going to bring you the vaccine. >> thank you, we'll pick this up shortly. next, one of the people helped right the legislation that dr. conley kept on falling back

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>> again, hippa p, i am not at liberty to discuss. >> the president does not want him to discuss when his last negative test was, hippa, he says. our next guest knows all about hippa. our former hhs secretary, thank you for being with us right now. when hippa went to law, you h p helphel helped write it. >> well, the translation of what he said and i was responsible

for the implemented the privacy act of hippa. what he's saying is my patient, donald trump, has not given me permission to be transparent to answer your questions about his condition. it is not hippa that stood in the way. hippa simply says you have to have permission from the patient to reveal the information. if you are a nurse or doctor or pharmacist or you run a hospital or a health insurance company, you can't reveal an individual's health situation without their permission. what he should have said is the president won't let me say it. >> he said it in passing a larger sentence but your point is sump an excellent one. it confirms what i thought watching him and some of thing he was saying.

he invokes hippa meaning mr. trump does not want me to say. >> they're fine going into details of oxygen levels and when he was in the hospital. he would not talk about how low his oxygen levels were or when he was at the white house which led to them rushing him over to the hospital in a helicopter. it seems like he's cherry-picking which medical facts to fair but it is really the president cherry-picking which facts to share. >> it is all on the president. it is a national security risk. the people in this country, we are all very strong. we got through a couple of world wars and depressions and recessions. we can take it. we need to know the details.

they leave unanswered questions because of the president. >> such an important point. i am so glad -- we have the person who knows all about it. thank you very much. >> sanjay, it is so telling it is clearly that donald trump does not want this information out. why would it be a concern. the bigger question i guess is why would the president not want somebody to know the last time he tested negative? that seems pretty damming.

>> we are talking about a respiratory virus here. we know on all sorts of organs in the body. you think of the lungs being the primary organ system and he also had periods of time where he drop his blood oxidation so there is clearly some impact of his lungs or getting a chest x-ray. the doctor said it had been done and findings but he would not put in the findings. well, what is the clinical course? is it more severe? milder? the fact they won't say -- is very suspicious because if it was fine or mild, presumably they would have said something. they sort of answer the same thing about other things as well including whether or not he's on blood thinners which gives

indication of how significant his disease is. it was interesting when you look at the debate protocol going back to tuesday now. they only require an fda authorized test within 72 hours, you have to submit whether it is negative to cleveland clinic, they just need to have your word on it and have it be within 72 hours. >> that's incredible to me. >> i am very surprised because we talked at so many times that as we start to think about opening the public again, the idea of having daily tests would be important. i think it is becoming increasingly clear that they were not. >> maggie, with vice president, i have to get a covid test and prover it that day. the idea that the committee was

fine of a 72-hour window from a medical standpoint. maggie, do we know that the white house was testing the president every single day? is that is what they were saying all along? >> we don't know. i don't know that to be true they only taken a chance. 72 hours out, that seems strange to me. i can't speak to that. >> the president being tested everyday? we just have -- they tell us what they're going to say and this is not a white house that has a lot of credibility. he was tested more than once in some days. we don't know. it could be they did not want to say it because they were testing him everyday or the positive

test was before we were told at this point. those are unanswered questions that hopefully we can learn at some point. >> gloria, if either of those were true that they were not testing everyday and therefore we don't know and it is impossible when to know when he's positive or lying about it longer than he was lying about it to sean hannity on thursday night. that would be incredibly damming even more damming than what we already know. >> well, remember chris wallace said that the president got there late at debate night and i don't know whether they were testing people on debate night or whatever. we know that the president did not get tested there. look, the timeline as sanjay has been saying over and over again is important here. we have to know when the president got sick in order to know who else may get sick because you have to do the contact tracing and that is

really not able to occur in any real and verifiable way because the white house decided the hide it. in this particular case, he's hiding it. so i have to say why? why is the white house not telling us? and an easy answer is he was tested on x and this is why. it is crazy. >> "the new york times" is reporting the white house's chief of staff, mark meadows is blocking new fda guidelines on vaccines that would guarantee no vaccines could be authorized before the election. the fda put out these guidelines for responsible, you know, study of any vaccines and responsible protocols that there would be

this two months would be allowed for people taking part of the trials to see how they are two months afterwards just to make sure this thing is safe. the white house does not want that two-month period according to new york times. is that other than they want to get it out before the election for political reasons. is there any reasons the white house should be involved in these decisions how the vaccine is actually studied and what guidelines are? >> what we are seeing a, anders, is a white house that keeps on over ruling science and it comes back to haunting them. testing is one part of safety. if you say we are not going to isolate, you are going to have people spreading it and if you are not going to quarantine, you are going to have a cluster. you are undermining confidence in the vaccine. we all want a vaccine out there as soon and safely as possible. a vaccine is not going to be a magical ending to this pandemic.

we are going to have that comprehensive approach and even when we have it is not going to work unless it is trusted and following all procedures with no corners cut. >> the risk here is that if people don't trust the vaccine, they don't get it and spread it more. what we are seeing is we have real tool to fight this pandemic whether it is testing and contact tracing or quarantine or masks and distancing and hand washing. all of these tools work. what we are seeing is this administration breaking each of these tools in successions and the most important one is the vaccine. if people don't take it then it

is not going to be able to protect us and help us get back to a new normal quickly. >> we are out of time. sanjay, i want to ask you what you think of this. for weeks now we have been saying -- look, everybody guaranteed this, the way this vaccine is released and they don't need such a such date. seems like the white house can get their way on this. >> yeah, they may be able to. there is a couple of escape patches if you will. there is another committee that can still decide they're going to basically follow the guidelines that the fda sort of telegraph. they did not get those guidelines approved. we want to wait two months to ensure it is safe. seems like a logical thing and other committee will step up and make those guidelines happen. >> everyone, thank you very much. how much danger may president trump put his staffers in. will he wander around without a

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president trump is back at the white house. the president has personal office space and his personal residence. the expectation is this new work space will help isolate the president from staffers from the outbreak. joining me now someone who knows a great deal of working at the

white house and our infectious disease specialist. what do you make of how the white house has handled this the past few days or weeks. >> i think the chaos we have seen in the last four years have been repeated over the last few days because i saw a white house that was not in charge. nobody was in charge. they were having briefings hit and miss with regards to the president's situation. the staffs i don't think has been fully informed about what steps they ought to take to protect themselves point the chief of staff should have set up a command head kwaquarter at

walter reed. i think there is a sense that the president who has covid-19 virus -- that is impacting not just on his healthcare, it is impacting on the country. it is a national security issue and i am afraid none of the people at the white house is treating it as a national issue. >> the president is not always wearing a mask. should he be at the white house? >> i think the president still has not learned despite having said he gone through coronavirus school now and having acquired the virus himself. he has not learned the most basic lesson of this pandemic which is wear a mask. it will protect you and others. so it has me concerning and back when i was in new york city when we had a patient with an

infectious disease that's airborne like tuberculosis. i would require them to be hospitalized at bellevue. unfortunately, we can't do that in this case. he's presenting a real threat to others of his working and living environment. you are familiar with inside the white house, do you see a way of the president remaining away from his staff, does that seem like it could work? >> i am not sure what they are thinking. we have a president of the united states who has covid-19, he's still contagious and he's taking heavy medications. he's taking steroids. he really ought to be in an

isolated situation. he should be at the hospital frankly. in the white house there is an office upstairs where he can isolate himself. i am not sure why they want to move him to a downstairs office in the white house. that would only expose more people to the possibility of the virus. the west wing is as you said very close quarters and very small offices, the hallways are very tight and as we know right now the white house is a center for coronavirus. it is a hot spot and almost 20 members of the staff already gotten coronavirus. it is a dangerous situation. >> would the white house have been deep cleaned? in the office when somebody has tested positive in a working

environment of a company that has resources, they do extensive cleaning to make sure every surface has been cleaned. the air goes through filters. is that something that should happen at the white house and contact tracing. we don't know they are doing that. >> yes, you typically will do some sort of deep cleaning. as we learn overtime, surfaces contributing to transmission much less to droplets as well as aerosol transmission of the air. i would be concerned of contact tracing and are people in the white house being honest of the fact they are being diagnosed. we heard of a senior aide being instructed by the president not to reveal that. you need to know who has it or who they are in contact with or test them and isolate everybody who has it and quarantined and

everybody that's exposed. it does not seem like those basic health measurables are be implemented right now. >> mark meadows, the chief of staff, he gave anonymous way to reporters, far more negative about the president's condition than his own doctor was willing to give -- i mean, do you understand why he would do that like right after the doctor gave a rose y assessment and he happened to do it on camera. >> well, i would like to think it was to his credit because he was concerned of the president's real condition. when he waeheard the briefings they did not present a full picture of just exactly what was happening with the president, he

decided to brief the president himself. so i would like to believe it was an instance where his own conscious said i got to tell the american people the truth. that frankly is what should have been happening this whole period. >> although -- he went back on record when he was revealed, he went back on record. >> we appreciate you being with us. weeks before mike pence and kamala harris is facing off. it airs on wednesday night on cnn, special coverage starting at 7:00 p.m. the coronavirus death toll now past 210,000 people in this country. coming up, we'll talk to a woman whose husband died because of the pandemic. we talked to her before. i want to talk to her again

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program, before he left walter reed hospital, he tweeted that covid-19 was not all that bad. i will be leaving the great walter reed medical center. feeling really are good. don't be afraid of covid, don't let it dominate your life. we have developed under the trump administration some really great drugs and knowledge, i feel better than i did 20 years ago. he has been hopped up on drugs and experimental treatments that we will never have access to. we are not going to air it on the program, it's pure propaganda, and it's dangerous. the combination of videos and social media messaging makes it remarkable about the lives affected and the heart ache that the pandemic has caused across the nation. i want you to meet katie, her had husband died in april. he managed to send is her a

goodbye note on his cell phone. i talked to her earlier about how it has impacted her life and now after the president's staged return to the white house, how are you doing? how are your kids? >> my kids are fantastic. they are so funny and resilient. my daughter is the crazy side of my husband and my son is very much the sweet loving side. they are great. i take it minute by minute. it's been a lot harder lately. this definitely doesn't help any of us grieve. but, you know, i have got two remarkable kids and that's really what keeps me going. >> well, as you said, i remember when you and i first talked just shortly jonathan died, i remember you saying, i don't want to misquote you, but it was, we make good kids. >> yeah, we make good babies. >> yeah, that was what it was.

>> yeah, maybe i'm a little biased but they are pretty much perfect. >> yeah. >> they keep me on my toes but they are awesome. >> i'm an outsider and they seem pretty perfect to me. what is it like to, your life has been, you know, your old life has been in some ways destroyed and you are in this new life and finding your way in the darkness of that. to be doing that at the same time you have the president saying these things about don't be afraid of covid. you know, and not wearing a mask. going back, i mean -- i don't want to get political and you know, i don't want to push you to say anything butity just what is it like going through what you are going through as a mom and have all this stuff swuirlig around? >> no, and i have really tried to not look at this as a political thing. i have always tried to look at this as a human being thing. the covid in general being such

a hot top and i cic and being s that everyone feels they have an opinion about, or voice the down playing of it, it makes things harder. but, when it came out that president trump had tested positive i automatically thought, this is going to be really bad for all of the victims families. because his inability to be empathetic or to feel anything for anyone else has really just always been prevalent but i knew if he got covid that he was definitely going to down play it, even more so than he has been and he was going to allow the gates to open where people can continue to lash out at us and continue to say horrible things to us. and the video that he just tweeted and the things that he has been saying are just can

disrespectful. i mean, we deserve better. my husband deserved better. 210,000 people deserved better. and -- >> you had people say horrible things to you. >> oh, absolutely disgusting things. i am surprised if i go at least a week without somebody saying something horrible. i have been called very -- i've been called almost every swear word in the book. saying i'm part of the propaganda and i'm left wing and i'm this and i'm that. and my feeling is that, if that's what people want to say about me, then at least i'm challenging them. and i'm giving people a voices like my husband who deserve a voice and to be here. and it doesn't take much. for president trump to say he is a leader and he is leading us through covid, what does he have to lose by showing sympathy?

what does he have to lose by saying i am sorry this happened to your kids' dad and your husband? what does he have to lose? he doesn't have anything. and he is just pushing through and nobody is looking at him thinking that he is strong and brave. he is weak. because my husband fought covid. my husband had wanted to come home. and he deserved it and this man is using this as a political propaganda to divide the nation when we are alreadiy eso broken. he could have done so much good with coming out and saying covid is scary. and i'm sorry to all of these families but we are going to get through it as a nation and as a country. and he, what he chose not to and again, it opens the door that people just -- >> yeah. >> feel they can attack us and it's awful.

>> yeah. it was an opportunity for him to say you know what? wear a mask. i didn't push it enough before, but now, let's get this, let's do it, it's the patriotic thing to do. katie i'm so impressed by your strength and thank you for talking with us tonight. >> thank you for talking about jonathan, it was awesome. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. >> news continues right now, we will go to chris for cuomo prime time. >> and that is the reality. and that is what matters. you don't matter. i don't matter. the insiders don't matter. the lawmakers don't matter. that is what and who matters my brother. >> yeah. >> that is who was hearing the message. that is who needs to be respected. that's what's being forgotten in all of hthis. he is getting tested,