it was an opportunity for him to say you know what? wear a mask. i didn't push it enough before, but now, let's get this, let's do it, it's the patriotic thing to do. katie i'm so impressed by your strength and thank you for talking with us tonight. >> thank you for talking about jonathan, it was awesome. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. >> news continues right now, we will go to chris for cuomo prime time. >> and that is the reality. and that is what matters. you don't matter. i don't matter. the insiders don't matter. the lawmakers don't matter. that is what and who matters my brother. >> yeah. >> that is who was hearing the message. that is who needs to be respected. that's what's being forgotten in all of hthis. he is getting tested, he is not

getting tested. they are all bs, that is us, that is our frame of reference and then the you have people like her and you have families like her all over the -- country and they are watching this guy and they are shaking their head. and they are feeling insulted. they are feeling humiliated they get added to the, you know, just the multitudes of people that they feel people don't give a damn, rip off my mask. look how strong. i guess her husband wasn't, right? or all the dead wasn't. or maybe they did not have access to everything that he and abused. that's why i love you, brother. you bring people on like that and they tell their story and it tells everything. and it tells everything about you. i love you. have a good night. >> thanks, chris. >> welcome to prime time, welcome to the land of confusion. is there anything more to say? really? do any of you not get what's

happening? i know you go to your respective partisan corners. especial at this this time of night for succor, s-u-c-c-o-r, not sucker. tell me why i'm right to hate him. tell my me why i'm right to love him. does anybody have to tell you. there he is reshooting the scene for his own ad, i hold rallies and i tell you to ignore masks and i rip mine off as i vanquish the virus, for i'm a leader. fear not, covid. what a bunch of --. going back to the white house, if you want to know the reality, the truth, okay, the virus is the truth. the virus doesn't care about left and right. the virus does what's reasonable. you give me a chance i will spread. you keep away from me, you don't give me a chance. i run out of hosts.

i die, i'm the truth. if you are doing the right thing, you don't see me that. if you are doing the wrong thing, you do. the white house is literally what we fearer the most. a rash of contagion called a cluster. you want a metaphor, you have a president who is a drunk driver who is pushing others to drive drunk. that's what he is. do i want to see a drunk driver get hurt? hell no. but i worry more about the people he hits and i love seeing him do that victory lap in the limo, thank god, you know why? i knew that meant he to be okay. not the people in there with them, ppe up to their nose. now they have to quarantine. he doesn't give a damn. and now, i do not have to feign any extra measure of compassion. he returned to a cluster and took his mask off. that is, covidiousy, he is a

covid-idiot, you are disrespecting the president? no, he disrespected the presidency. all that is left is the residue of outrage. that's the only emotion i have. he does and tells you to do everything the experts say not to, even after getting the virus. see, that's the truth. there's no change. he didn't beat the virus. he is not better than anybody who didn't beat the virus or takes time. he is not stronger than i am. he got every advantage. he has use of all the things he denies the rest of us. he is supposed to get tested every day with the test that you can turn around quickly and know what's going on. did he do them? did he even use what's at his disposal that the rest of us are desperate for. that our kids need in our classes that he does not discuss. no. is the answer y?

show us the results. his doctor. i don't want to go backwards. get out of the way. show us the results. show us that he tested negative on monday. and tuesday, and wednesday, because i will tell you something. i'm no dr., we are about to have tony fauci on in the next block and he is. you think you get sick the next day after being exposed to somebody. he would have to be so immune compromised that he would never get out of the hospital. so he was sick before, when? why would they he will us? why would they tell us? it's a mondacity machine. keighly i never lie mcenany. you saw him tonight, highly contagious. he has to be. it is the science of it. i know he was in the hospital.

i know he 24 hour care. i know they gave him two experimental treatments. but it was no big deal. what if that young woman's husband had access to what he access to? what about if everybody's husband and wife and kid and son and daughter and aunt and uncle and grandparent had access to that kind of care. or tests to let them know what was going on and give them a chance to fight. how different would our situation be. the virus is the truth. and this president is a walking lie. or as my brilliant writer said, lie ability. lie-ability. good one. why is he saluting? a salute is a gesture of respect. literally every aspect of his pandemic and response, exhibits disrespect. i'm not upset because i'm

surprised. i'm not upset because i'm judgi judging. i'm upset because so many of you contact me sick. and desperate. and scared. and i can do nothing, and this man who can do everything does nothing. it is killing me that we are in this place. it is. it is killing me. i feel so bad for so many of you. long haule ars who are forgotte. those that call my radio show. he said that it affects nobody. what about my fill in the blank, loved one. i need testing. if only i can get test. my son, my daughter cannot learn at home. if only they can get the test. they have to get back to school. contact tracing. they are not contact tracing in

the white house. they let left their own people for dead. i know it. i have spoken to five of them. who? none of your damn business. it's not the incident point. i'm done with letting them destroy people. me, bring it. but enough. savaging everyone so he can remain exhalted. even after getting covid he insisted on not getting the reality. it's not that bad. feeling pretty good. oh, i wonder why. maybe it's that oxygen they kept giving you that you lied about. the experimental treatments that nobody else is going to have access to for who knows how long. miracle drugs we are working on. regeneron is not you. imagine if you had used the emergency defense production act and said, what do you need, len, the head of the company that you saw on the show the other night. then, maybe, maybe.

yeah, maybe. remdesivir, you have to be in the hospital for that. it's not easy to get that. he cuts treatment short. i'm too strong. no you are not, no you are not. you got carried. and thank god you the did, because we only have one of with y -- one of you. you have access to testing every day that you the did not use. makes mo s no sense that he got thursday. show me a doctor that says that makes sense. it's bs, your kids, my kids. this stupid hybrid learning. noi it's not learning. it's unlearning. one case, the whole school closes down no resources, no help. imagine. if we had accesses to what he access to. that he ignores and he abuses. life would be totally different.

he didn't just walk in the white house one time with no mask tonight. he his video crew capture that stupid scene again so he could put out propaganda. fronting a lie to his people. once again. just like don't worry about the mask. now he said don't worry about covid. don't let it control your life. just propaganda. that's all it is. i know there's sound to it. i will not play it for you. why should i? how much bull -- do you need in your life. don't let covid control your life. nobody wants it to control their life. a hospital suite and 48 hour career and experimental drugs and all the best of everything all the time. and i'm not saying he should not have it. i'm saying you should. isn't that his damn job is to kill himself. you know, he loves to work. than do the work.

leader. a leader would go, a leader would go and do everything that you are not supposed to do and force people in places where they get sick. we have never had anybody get sick. tell it to the people in the rose garden the only place we can reasonably contact trace. who knows who was at his rallies. how are you go withing to find them? you think they are coming forward saying i got sick at the trump rally. he takes his mask off, like it makes him strong. it doesn't. don't be afraid of covid? 10,000 have died in the last 13 days. don't be aparafraid of covid. it tack down the most powerful person in the world and he went to the hospital. his recklessness makes it impossible. i feel for his wife. they don't say how she is doing. they only talk about him.

he has been covering up the reality from jump. he admitted it himself on a recording. that he was covering it up. and now the vice president just when you think maybe they get it. maybe we can all get on the same page. the head of the white house, the head of the white house coronavirus task force said i will go do the rallies. i'm going to go do the rallies. he is going to do the same thing that got the other guy sick? it is the definition of insanity. the white house press secretary now has covid. i wish her well. i wish her well. why. would you, she deserves it. she lies a lot. seems lay erred to hide what is true. i know. but one i try very hard to not be what i oppose. and twoment nobody benefits from

somebody else getting sick. but she was out there maskless. exposed to multiple people with the virus. that's why she said in her statement, she wasn't. some context. i want you to listen to something that trump said in 2014 when doctors and reporters came back from africa, where ebola was raging. listen to this carefully. >> i consider that doctor extremely selfish who came back and then he toured new york. and then he went on crowded subways during rush hour. this dinner in brooklyn, went to a bowling alley and bowled. he went all over the place. i think he is a very selfish person frankly. they were supposed to be home, self quarantined, except they decided to go out and have a good time. >> oh, well, he was not a, you know, he wasn't -- what? it's hypocrisy. that is all that is. he is the president now. that very selfish person he was

talking about, it's you. now, what do i suggest we do in the moment? listen, man, just going after what is obvious about him is a waste of our time. we have to understand that he is not getting us where we need to be. we should not be as sick as we still are. our kids should not be as compromised. i say, and the white house agreed to let tony fauci come on the show tonight. the this is a man who has been quiet too much. especially when it's -- listen had, i was being slow on it also. god forbid. god forbid. you know. i didn't. -- what does can decency tell all of us. if the virus takes him doup and makes him sicker again. that is on him. he is a drunk driver that tells

other people to drive drunk, it's not a big deal. i don't have the sympathy for him. i don't want him to be sick, but i don't care about him, i care about the people that listen to him. we need to discuss the realty. the doctor is not managing the case. which is weird. long haul, what'ses the concern? vaccine, what's the real? schools, test thing, why don't we have better? why isn't there more and better? that's what we have. okay. doctor fauci is here to have that discussion with all of us. so, there he is. i will tease him. let you see his handsomeness. and we will discuss, i know tony can't hear me, because he would be smiling if he heard me call him handsome. we will take a break, and -- there he is. we will discuss what matters in this country to you and me and our families. he knows what is going on. he will be straight with us, i give you my word, next.

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is. now, what matters? well, the vaccine matters. why did the white house/chief of staff, mark meadows we don't know what his testing situation is, he came out with no mask to talk to media before becoming a contradicting source. why is he telling the fda that he this cannot slow down the vaccine so it does not make it here in time for the election. dr. anthony fauci. welcome back. good to have you, doctor, as always. to be clear, i'm not asking you about trump's treatment, am i right to suggest you have nothing to do with his treatment? >> that's correct. i'm not involved in his primary care. >> one step forward in terms of concern of our commander and

chief, even if he is getting better. you have to keep him -- not you -- they will have to keep monitoring him, right? to make sure there's no residual or secondary, or long haul, you have to worry about it. right? >> he looks fine as you can see when he came out of the hospital the way he looked. the issue is that he is still early enough in the disease that it's not secret that if you look at the clinical course of people, sometimes when you are 5-8 days in, you can have a reversal. his physicians know -- meaning going in in the wrong direction and getting in to trouble. it unlikely that it will happen. but they need to be heads up for it. he knows it, the physicians know it. and so, they are going keep an eye out on it, and they will try and do it within the confines of the white house as opposed to in a hospital. but yes, you are not out of it until you have gone several days on out and doing well.

he certainly does look well. you don't need me to tell you that. you saw the way he came out of helicopt helicopterer. he looked in good shape. >> i of that he took the vuktviy lap. i know that no clinician liked it. but that made me feel better for him and for the sake of being hyper sympathetic. >> right. >> how big are you on the regeneron treatment? because something helped this guy beat the curve. >> yeah. you know, very well could have been that. i mean, the monoclonal antibodies, chris are something that we are optimistic about. we have had experience with other diseases. regeneron, monoclonal antibodies was one of the two types of antibodies that was successful with ebola and the fact that it was successful with ebola, and

other bad viral infections made us optimistic for this. it's a specific protein that the body makes that you can produce in large amounts and infuse it in to an individual by an iv infusion. has the potential to really be something very, very important in the treatment of covid-19 patients. the president got that as a come passionate use and whether or not it was that that got him better. i'm strongly suspicious that it was, you cannot prove it until you do a number of studies to show that it works. >> what else could it be? >> it can have been that he was naturally going to turn around anyway. when you see that kind of -- >> 74 years old and his stage of fitness? >> yeah, and you also remember, he was on remdesivir. if you are asking my opinion -- >> yeah, yeah. >> i think it made a difference. i think the monoclonal antibody

made a difference. it's in clinical trial to try to prove definitively that it works. i hope it works as well as we think it is. i know from experience that we had, in africa, with ebola, that monoclonal antibodies could do a knockout punch to a virus. >> look, people need stuff out here. i know compassionate use. it was really presidential use. i hope it creates urgency. on the urgency side, doctor. everybody said that the fda gets to do what they want do do. they are not compromised by politics. now the white house is said don't slow down the authorization. these new guidelines that might make it not approved before the election. no good good, it's going to go. what happened to the fda gets to do what it thinks is right? >> well, it is not over until it's over. the fda has not actually said they are doing to slow down. it's one of the things that the fda has good reasons for doing

what they are doing. they have career scientists who kwoped these kind of models of what you need to do, to assure safety and to assure effectsy and this is what they said right now and we will see what happens. >> the vaccine, there's a politicizing that goes on with it, to be fair, it's expect d. but the idea that i'm going to be able, or my kids will be able to get the vaccine, any time around the new year is just pop poppycock, it's going to be not a one dose vaccine, and it's for vulnerable people. so what's the reality, doc? >> let me tell you what it is, thank you for the opportunity. you have five candidates that are in phase 3 advanced trials. 2 of which went in to phase 3. which is a large trial of

thousands and thousands of people to determine if it's safe and effective. two of them went in to phase 3 on july 27th. the moderna product and the product from pfizer, we project that by the time we are at november, december, maybe earlier, i don't think it going to be earlier w. i think comfortably around november/december, we will know whether or not the vaccine is safe and effective. i'm kauscautiously optimistic t we will have a safe and effective vaccine. they have started to produce doses way before we will know whether the vaccine is safe and effective. so, by the time we get to the end of november, december, there should be some doses that are available for distribution. you are right. when you have a limited number of doses like we will have in november, december. we will have more in january, more in february, more in march and in april, etcetera. early on, there's going to be a

prioritization that is essentially from advisory committees that say that certain types of people for good reasons should have priorities. one of them will be health care workers others will be those individuals that have underlying conditions that put them at higher risk forgetting a serious outcome. sooner or later when you get months down the mike, you likely will have enough to get to the normal every day healthy citizen that wants to be protected. that will not be for a few months. even though there will be vaccines there. by the time you get them out and vaccinate people. it will be several months after that. there will be vaccines available likely for some people, limited amount by the end of the calendar year, the the beginning of 2021. that's a fact. >> if we are trying to alay people's fears about coronavirus. that there will be a vaccine to make it -- it's not one shot, it's two shots, right, am i

right about that? >> we, most of the candidates are a prime and a boost. one of them, another is a single shot. the vast majority of them are a prime and a boost. separated by anywhere from 21-28 days. >> do you have enough for the boost on the first group? >> yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. we do. >> so the next concern. the strategy -- i have not seen a redoubling of any effort to improve and increase testing capacity from the federal government and the specific example will be schools. reporting all around the country to random school districts that i do on my own time literally. they are not hearing anything from the federal government, they are closing schools for one or two cases. the states are trying to give them resources. but they don't know what you

guys know. when will the push come to make it so my kids are not teaching themselves at home in a situation that sucks. tony? >> right. right. yeah. well with, chris, what's happened now is something that i'm not sure you are totally aware of. but that, the federal government is essentially now going to make 150 million of those new abbot binex, they look like a credit card, point of care. about $5. about 15 minutes to get the result. much more widely available for schools. for nursing homes. and several thousand, 10s of thousands, hundred-s of thousands will be going out. the ultimate goal will be 150 million performed. and i will be pushing for more. the initial one they have committed to, is 150 million point of care cred-- point of c

credit cards. >> i appreciate it. i was aware of it and i heard it was going to be put on hold more than once by the white house and i'm told that abbott had them. it was not that, what we had to scale up. we had to get there. we were not ready. >> they were looking for a capitol infusion and could have gotten there sooner. again, what is taking so long? >> we discussed the testing situation a bunch of times, chris. >> it still stinks and i'm still asking. >> i know, i know. i hope when we get the 150 million out there and more. you know i have said we need to flood the system with testing. there's a couple of kinds of testing, to know if somebody is

or is not infected and then surveillance testing. getting out in the community and finding out what the level of infection be in the community and do thing it on a broad scale. that's what we need to do. >> i know, and it's not happening. i know you know this stuff. i respect your expertise without qualification and i know you have a great team. and i know you are hearing the things from people around the world saying the amount of cycles they do. they go too deep. they are picking up live virus and dead virus and dna, and they are getting a positive. if they radios the cycles and did not look as deeply. they would get less positives and that's how they got people back in school. and they do better with schools than we have done and iths frustrating. because even the 150 million, who knows how long it takes to get them out there. it seems that it could be better

if the federal government wanted it to be better and i don't want what's going on. >> right, i'm not sure i can explain. you said a couple of different things. you can have a cycle that looks positive, but it's not really positive, bought there's not a lot of virus there. when you are talking about is why don't we have the level of testing that we have always wanted? and the multiple times i have been o i have said, we are doing better and better. which is what we are. but we are not exactly where it is that you think we should be and quite frankly where i think it could be. we are getting better and better. it sounds like an excuse, but we are better off now than a couple of months a ago, that is for sure. >> let's talk horizon. what does thanksgiving look

like? >> yeah, you know, it depends where you are, chris. i said i have an issue here. i will level a baseline number of cases per day as higher than i want to see it. it is stuck at 40,000. there's regions of the country that are looking good. they have done fine. what we are starting to see now and we cannot run away from it. we are starting to see the midwest and the northwest an up tick in test positivity that will protect that you are going to have surgeries. when you go in the fall and the winter, the weather is colder. you tend to be indoors. when you are in doors. it is more of a problem to be able to block the transmission of infection. so, what i'm saying is that you ask me what do i see for thanksgiving? it depends. you know, you divide the country in to multiple ways. depending upon the amount of infection. there's dark green zones and green zones which are really good. in other words, the level of infection is so low, you are

probably with mild precautions doing well. then there's areas of the country that very well might be hot. they may be red zones. where there's enough infection around that you really better be careful when you get team people together. it's a relatively normal thanksgiving. in other areas of the country, it better be, hold off. have immediate family. do it in a way that people wear masks and you don't have large crowds of people. i would love to say everything will be great by thanksgiving but monday elf honestly i'm sur. we have to get below 10,000. way 10,000 throughout the country. i preach it all the type. we will get there if we do uniform wearing of masks.

keeping distance, avoiding crowds. and watching your hands. i have been with you on the show and you say it over and over again. a well let me tell you, when you have the president of the united states taking his mask off. i know you are not here to talk about it, and i know you are not a politician an. you are too honest. if when he takes his mask off when he is headed in to a cluster situation. and says, oh -- dr. fauci i appreciate your candor, i appreciate you coming on to set people straight. we are literally desperate for information that we can believe. thank you very much, you are always welcome. i will keep asking. >> thank you. thank you chris. good to be with you. thank you for having me. >> we will be right back.

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lies, lives. are in danger. because, the white house is covering up the risk posed by the president. he is contagious at a minimum. i hope he is well. but it's a cover up, nonetheless and it began the moment that hope hicks tested positive. this is not just the close to two dozen positives. it is not close to that. all 90 full time employees at the white houses resident were at risk. not just the big names. how about the people who hold their chairs. how about the people who close their bathroom and go home to their families. the eight or nine secret service agents that flew to five states and then were locked in the limo with him. or the marines that fly in his helicopter.

the thousands that packed the rallies while he was contagious and all the vips that stood on tarmacs to greet him and the gold star families that he packed in to the east room at an event. all the people. before you talk about him holding press conferences. a member of the white house press corp tested positive. has anybody had contacted him to be contact trace inside how about the debate, where he skipped the plan test. where people wound up being sick afterwards. i am not blaming him, right? but it can't help. let's talk messaging. the power of politics. we have a panel here to talk about what works and why. doctor, how dang are russ is -- >> look at me, told you. >> well, i think, you know, there's two things that struck me. just sort of the clear problem that he may have with problem at

the white house, he is walking around inside and without a mask on. he has got the, he has got the disease. he has covid-19. we know that. so, he has a contagious, potentially deadly disease, and he is not doing what he should be doing. basic public healthing to protect those around him. i watch the video over and over again, walks inside the, up to the balcony and takes off his mask, does the photos and walks inside. i don't think put his mask back on. that is just, i think everyone knows that by now. that that's the way that you could spread the virus. other people are wearing masks. they are protecting him from them primarily, and he, who has the disease is not protecting them. the other thing, chris, to your question is that he is, he writes a tweet and said, you don't have to fear covid. you know, it struck me, had this idea, you know, that, this sort of, this sort of idea that you are propagating a herd immunity strategy. don't have to fear it.

go ahead and get it, i got it. i'm fine. it's a dangerous strategy. we have been talking about it for months. everyone agrees it's dangerous. doctor atlas talks about it. and when asked he does not advocate that, he advocates it in other ways. it could lead to the death of 2 million people, overwhelm hospitals. we will get through it, but we have to, to treat it with, you know the fear that it deserves so that we don't inadvertently get too many people infected. it was reckless and absurd when he walks in without his mask on. he has the disease and he could spread it to others. >> david, fear is a choice. danger is real. now, in politics. perception is often reality. he went in to the hospital. he came out in no time. yeah, yeah, yeah, you coco

explain. whatever, he still came out. takes his mask off. he is tougher than covid. what do you do with the power of that messaging if you are running against this president? >> is he not superman? >> well, i mean, you know, the point is, that the president is trying to convey strength. which, i don't think anybody buthis most ardent supporters is going to think is real. when the absurdity is saying, joe biden is in the basement, therefore, he is week. now the president has been hospitalized with covid. the president who wants to make it about the strength of the economy, this campaign, this election that is a month away. it's now all about covid. because now he has covoid. after not taking it seriously enough and he is under cut his message about reopening the economy or trying get schools to reopen because people don't know what to believe. i mean, sanjay is right about

the absurdity, he knows the medicine. how about this fact, how about the fact that you are talking to the top infectious disease specialist in america and certainly in the world. and he has to tip toe around the facts of the absurdity of this day because he wants to keep his job. >> hm-mm. >> he wants to be able to still fight this virus and not be completely marginalized by a president who won't have anything but total loyalty. that is what is cultivated over the last four years. and the message that the president sends is not one of strength. he is losing this opportunity to say look, i'm going okay. i'm the president, it's important to convey that the president of the united states is doing okay skmm, and america secure. but we have to cultivate a comm bring the deaths and number of cases to an acceptable level and by the way, would be good politics. it's only what he can do in a limited amount of time.

the white house is in disarray. and the president is desperate and he is listen wiing to nobod but himself and directing everyone else despite what they say to him. >> the white house is a case cluster. that should be case closed. but it isn't. why? glad you asked, we will come back and anthony scaramucci has insight in how people in trump's fold is responding to it and what it tells us. next. tonight...

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traffic and air pollution will be even worse after the pandemic. that's why we support measure rr to keep caltrain running. which is at risk of shutdown because of the crisis. to keep millions of cars off our roads, to reduce air pollution and fight climate change. and measure rr helps essential workers like me get to work and keep our communities healthy. relieve traffic. reduce pollution. rescue caltrain. [all] yes on measure rr. anthony scaramucci is with us tonight so that you can have a little insight into the conversations that i would bet breakfast and now bet lunch he and i have had today me by the dozen him by the dozens. it goes like this. i told you anthony. this guy. he is the real deal.

he went in there. he knocked covid on its ass. he comes out. he is the man. this was the bounce we were looking for. masks. covid. it's all weak. it all bow to him. he can get us through it. >> well, you left out what they're going to say. i alone can fix it because i alone have had this great personal experience with covid. >> you've been hearing it right? people saying look how he did this. >> of course. that's going to be the whole bumper sticker, their whole manipulation. but there are a couple things going on that has to worry them though. the morale inside the white house all time low. secret service is super upset. you have staff inside the white house thai know personally are very sick and very upset about it. you've got young children involved. the white house press secretary has a young child. she's now got covid as a result of listening to this nonsense from the president. the thing that worries me the

most, chris, and your sole ill kwi ill -- your discussion in the beginning was great but what about the people who are helping him? what does it say for guys like mitch mcconnell who won't come on your show, kevin mccarthy won't come on your show. what are you guys doing? you swore an oath to the constitution of the united states and to protect the american citizens and you've got, you know, i don't know, the american mussolini standing on the balcony. we've never had a president stand on that balcony and do what he just did. we have to beat him, chris. we are definitely going to beat him because he has done a great job. it is an unbelievable fact about president trump he is a uniter, chris, he just happens to be uniting all of us against him. i'm teamed up with alexandria ocasio cortez at this point in my life. think of that ideological band

width. we're going to knock him right out of the white house on november 3rd. we are chipping away in local markets, doing local radio, television, zoom calls into local markets. some of us will be visiting those areas. he's going to lose. okay? that is why he is acting the way he's acting. it's a combination of maybe the steroids and the full on panic that he knows this thing is closing out. >> do you think maybe your emotions have kind of overtaken your intellect in terms of this degree of confidence you have that you are going to beat somebody who has weathered every kind of mistake that has brought down every other politician ever and not only does it not take him down but he grows? this guy just got sick with a pandemic, told people don't worry about it. came out of the hospital. took his mask off. contagious. in a place that's completely infected. and they are cheering him all over the country.

>> well, you know, i would say to you, chris, my emotions got the best of me when i was working for him. you know when your pride and ego are involved your emotions are going up and your intelligence going down. that is not the case right now. i am actually fairly detached and unemotional about it. i am operating the steve bannon game plan my arch nemesis. what was that game plan? let's hive off 3 to 5% of these republicans. there are normal, rational republicans out there that do not like what is going on. let's explain there really isn't a culture war going on. all that nonsense and narrative about there being a culture war and people who live in the cities are going to take away your guns in the midwest or the west. all of that stuff is a lie, chris. so we'll be out there telling that story and the vice president's poll numbers have really not moved that much to the negative. if anything he opened up a gap after the last debate.

how is the president going to debate him live on october 15th? that is the question. what are they going to do put each in plexiglas booths? >> they should. we'll have to get some answers about that. a very interesting call there. i want to see some polls after this event. let's see where the minds and hearts of the country are right now. anthony scaramucci always appreciate the straight take. thank you for being on the show. >> thank you. all right. we'll be right back. this game's boring. only pay for what you need. liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. to save you up to 60%. these are all great. and when you get a big deal... ♪ ...you feel like a big deal. ♪ priceline. every trip is a big deal.

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what an interesting time to be alive. people suffering all over the country. no real messaging from the top that makes sense of any of it. we just all collectively watched an unbelievable spectacle. the white house is a case cluster from a pandemic that they say is not a big deal. the president had to be put in the hospital, put on two different experimental treatments, came out, took his mask off, says covid is no big deal. put him in the hospital. two experimental treatments. he is supposed to get tested every day. they won't tell us if he was.

they won't show us that he was. how can you make sense of any of this? i just don't know. i'll be honest. i watch it all in real time. i study it. but i don't understand it. i'll tell you someone who will try to make sense of it. d. lemon right now on "cnn tonight." there he is. >> i made sense of it from the very beginning when it was announced that he had covid and then, well, actually the part where he was going to the hospital. it's not that hard to figure out. do tell. i don't want to get in trouble but i just have no other way -- >> too late. >> i got to be honest. twa is surprising to me when this happened a lot of people said i don't believe it. i don't believe he has covid. i think he's faking it. i think he'll do whatever he can to try to win the presidency. i am not that cynical. i