ganetive. but clearly, clearly it's getting worse over at the white house as we continue to watch all of this explode. we're going to continue our special coverage. that's coming up next. erin burnett "outfront" will do so right now.next, breaking news. steven miller testing positive for coronavirus. this news just in to cnn this moment. bringing the number of white house covid known cases to at least 11. that is as of we know of -- what we know of. the white house still dodging the basic question of how many, why? i'm going to ask the white house deputy spokesperson. and house speaker nancy pelosi questioning trump's mental state after he pulls the plug on stimulus negotiations. and michelle obama with a striking closing argument for joe biden, as the rules for tomorrow night's crucial, crucial vice presidential debate are announced. we'll tell you what they are. let's go "outfront."

good evening. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, the breaking news, the white house coronavirus outbreak is growing tonight. we have just learned that top trump adviser steven miller has just tested positive for coronavirus. this is video of him from last wednesday. you see him there along with hope hicks, obviously no one there wearing masks. miller was in that debate prep session with president trump, which now brings the total number of people who tested positive who were in that room with the president to 6 out of 8 people, all of them now with the virus. this comes tonight, steven miller's diagnosis just break thing moment. we are also learning two more press aides at the white house have tested positive for coronavirus. so that brings the total number of known infections at the white house to 11 that we know of. and on top of all of this, the top military generals of the united states are now in quarantine because of a positive result from the vice commander of the coast guard, who attended an event at the white house.

from the oval office to the pentagon, tonight american power disrupted by the virus. and yet the white house is rejecting the cdc's offer to contact trace and find out the source of the outbreak according to a federal health official. the white house says we'll do it ourselves. except they do not deal in contract tracing, the cdc does. that's what it does. and knowing for sure how this started is crucial to american security. you've got american power disrupted. top generals in quarantine, the president in the hospital. we need to know how this started. as of tonight, frankly, it is possible that the president of the united states could even be the one responsible for the spread of the virus through the top corridors of american power. on saturday, september 26th, president trump attended the rose garden ceremony announcing his selection of amy holmi amy barrett to the supreme court. we know that eight people since that event have tested positive for the virus.

the next day the president and the first lady attended a gold star military event. these are pictures. look like it's circa 2019. there's no social distancing, no masks in the picture, and it's inside. the vice admiral of the coast guard charles ray was at that event. he has tested positive for the virus, and that is forcing other senior leaders at the pentagon to now quarantine, including the top u.s. general, general mark millie. so the white house hasn't accepted cdc help and won't even tell us how many people have the virus. the president was at each of those events, in the room for debate prep. he is the one thing all those events have in common. so we don't know who started this, but we need to know what the situation is. the person who wants to be re-elected as the oldest president in american history, president trump needs to tell us about his health. the only update we got was a letter saying the president has reported no symptoms, and is doing "extremely well."

no information about his temperature, drugs, he's taking. we don't know the last time he tested negative, which is crucial. because without it, we have no idea how many people who may be spreading the virus to people who could die. but the white house does not want people to even know who has the virus inside the west wing. bloomberg reported the white house wanted to keep -- according to "the wall street journal," the president asked an an adviser not to tell anyone. "the new york times" reporting two white house staffers also tested positive. when they found out, they were told to use discretion in discussing it at all. caitlin collins is at the white house. look, the web keeps growing, but we still have nody f dy fintive

count and the krz is not involved in contact tracing. >> reporter: we're seeing how wide tread this is in the west wing alone. we were talking about how there are now four press staffers in that office that tested positive for coronavirus, in addition to the press secretary, who we found out tested positive yesterday. and now we have learned that today steven miller has tested positive as well. and in a statement to cnn. he said over the last five days he had been working remotely. he said today i tested positive for covid-19 and am in quarantine. that is after he was in direct contact with hope hicks after she tested positive, in addition to the president and several others who tested positive. just to show you how much we don't know about coronavirus, a few months ago, steven miller's wife, who is a top aide to the vice president, also tested positive for coronavirus and had it. of course, clearly steven miller did not get it then, but he does have it now. it is going to raise so many

questions for the doctors about coming into contact with people and how that works. but the other thing that it's raising questions about is the workplace inside the west wing and whether or not staffers are safe. we talked to so many staffers who are saying they didn't wear masks at work because they bosses didn't, and they didn't feel comfortable going into a meter being the only person wearing a mask. we're seeing how that could have potentially spread the coronavirus through the west wing, given so many people now have got it. so many top aides at the white house, and still, does not have the familiar faces around him that he did when he left the white house last week, given how many positive cases we're now learning about. >> thank you very much. i do want to go straight now to the white house deputy communications director and deputy press secretary brian mergenstern. we found out that steven miller tested positive for coronavirus.

are there any more positives this hour that you're aware of that we don't know of? >> reporter: no, erin. and thank you for having me on. obviously, we've been dealing with this for a number of months now, and we now what to do. we are isolating when necessary. we have our hand sanitizer everywhere. we are distancing. we are going about the work of the american people. kailee and others and steven working remotely, continuing to carry on our work. the president, we're thrilled to have him back, and we have precautions in the residence and we have ways to interact with the president in a safe way with ppe and we appreciate all the well wishes we have received. we want the american people to know we are doing the people's business, just carrying it on in a safe way. we have been in the pandemic for a while now, and so we're able to carry on. >> so when you say you know how to do this, i hope you're not

surprised at the point i'm going to make here, which is we all know how to do this which is social distancing and masking and we know you have not been wearing masks for many months. that's just the reality we see. so when we hear of the press secretary, and caitlin talking about people going into meetings and felt pressure to not wear masks, what is your response to that? are you wearing one now at every meeting, every place? >> many people do wear masks. we do distance. we leave chairs in bmeetings. of course, we are tested quite frequently, those of us who have meetings at work, particularly with seener leadership like the president or vice president, so we do take a number of precautions. and we're able to carry on here. like i said, when cases pop up, this isn't the first time we have had the national security adviser as well. i saw you mention katie miller

earlier on if the pandemic. people have to isolate. we do contact tracing. there is contact tracing going on with the white house medical unit and there's an epidemiologist from the cdc embedded there. if they need help, they know where to go. so we're going through the process and carrying on our work in a safe way. thank god the folks who have been infected have not had severe cases and have been able to continue their duties. >> you mentioned that there are systems in place now with ppe. obviously, the cdc has made it clear a mask is meant to protect other people in case you are infected. the person we know to be infected is the president. so is he wearing a mask? >> so he -- i haven't seen him lately, but he wears a mask when anyone is in proximity to him. the way we have set it up, people generally will stand back from him. everyone else has masks, ppe, goggles, the appropriate attire. and so we're able to be around

him, but in a safe way. and that's what he wants. he needs to be back at work. he needs to show the country he's resilient and strong and that's what he's doing. his staff is supporting him in that way, as well. >> oh what you're telling me, though, and this is important because you saw the images that we saw last night when he took off the mask, the white house photographer came around him. he then went amidst a group of people and he was not wearing a mask. so you're saying that isn't happening anymore? >> so erin, you're showing the footage here. he's outside on a balcony, certainly not within six feet or more. >> the photographer came up behind him and was, and he has coronavirus. >> it's hard to breathe on somebody behind you, but the point is, he's still on a balcony, he's outside. and the photographer had her mask on and she's trained like the rest of us. we know how to interact in a way that is safe, and that's what

she was doing. of course, the president going back inside, where we have people six feet back. we maintain our distance, stay out of the personal space. >> simply in those images they weren't. again, he has coronavirus. i mean, i feel this sometimes talking to people around him about this issue, it seems a little defying reality. i would imagine you wouldn't have behaved that way. >> erin, it's important to note that we can interact with somebody with a coronavirus. they're not a leper. it's somebody that is of good health according to his doctor. he still has the virus, but it doesn't mean we can't interact in a safe way. so that's what we're going to continue to do. s >> with a mask, absolutely. i want to -- i was laying out the timeline. it is important when you have all these people in quarantine, the president was in the hospital to know how this started. so when the president started

feeling symptoms, we are told that was thursday. so that means he was almost certainly infected on tuesday when he went to the debate, because of the time the cdc has told us it takes in between infection and the onset of symptoms. can you say he tested negative on the day of the debate? >> i don't have that. i have what i think everyone knows now that what we have put together in terms of timeline, which is that we know that hope tested positive on thursday at some point later, the president had that confirmatory test which he announced to the nation very late at night then. and so that's the information that we have. but the president had not been obviously showing any symptoms or anything like that. and contact tracing, it's important, because i think there's been a little misunderstanding about contact tracing. it's 48 hours looking back from a positive test. so a lot of people are referring back to the rose garden event. but if people a week later would

have a positive test or symptoms doesn't necessarily mean looking back a week is when a public professional health official would do to prevent further transmission of the virus. contact tracing is not meant to find patient zero. it's meant to mitigate further transmission, so that's how our health unit and the cdc embed and our supporting staff are taking care of that. >> so do you know the answer to the question of -- i'm asking do you know the answer to when the president's last negative test was, do you know that information, brian? >> i personally to not. i have not asked him or the doctor to go back through records and things like that. i'm not sure. but as i said, we look at it from a contact tracing sort of forward looking exercise. that's what the health professionals and the cdc does. that's what our med unit does. and we're letting them do their

work. and to the extent other people have positive tests, it's to help professionals handle their positive case than do the 48-hour lookback and handle that contact tracing, as well. the president is strong, back at work. we're supporting him, and going about our business as well in a safe way. >> do you not think it's important to know how this started when you're the president in a hospital, six or eight people in a debate room with coronavirus, another one is in a hospital, the top generals of the united states are in quarantine. this is all coming out of the white house. it's only a point of curiosity to you, to know how this started? >> the point is to mitigate further transmission. it could have -- >> i understand your point that's what contact tracing is about. do you think it's important to the american people to know how it started? >> it's almost unknowable. there were a number of journalists subsequently that had positive tests. there are any number of guests who maybe were negative that day but something happened later. so it's almost an unknowable

question, and we're not interested in blaming someone, we're interested in taking care of what we need to do according to health professionals with contact tracing. >> the president's doctor said the president is doing extremely well today. you referenced that, as well. we've been told some of the treatments he received, which is obviously important. but his doctor has so far not spoken about the president's lung scans, which is important obviously. we know this is important. lung damage and what it can do to someone, pneumonia can harm the lungs over the long-term. these are things that are important to know for the american people. we are all about, as citizens, we are about to vote in an election to determine whether president trump is physically able to handle another four years. he will go in, if elected, as the oldest president, as would joe biden, but as would president trump. why not be honest and put all this information out there, if there's nothing to hide? >> erin, i think we have been extraordinarily transparent.

multiple briefings by the doctor, the president himself has spoken to the camera a number of times. kailee has briefed and gaggled. the chief has spoken to the press. i'm here speaking with you saying that the president is strong and resilient and back at work. so he's being amazingly transparent. i have to say, the president is twice my that he's healthy and strong and able to lead the country, just as he's doing now and demonstrating that. it seems to be making some folks angry, but he's doing great and that should be a moment of celebration. >> it should be, but people should know the circumstances around that, the lung damage. obviously he's on a steroid. there's a lot of pieces to this puzzle that are important and not personal, private information when you want to be president of the united states and re-elected in that role. i want to ask you one other question. the president has been talking about stimulus. today he ordered to end talks with the democrats on a coronavirus stimulus package. he said he doesn't want to deal

with it until after election day. and he told mitch mcconnell to instead focus on getting the supreme court nominee approved. and the reason that this is jarring to me is that three days ago, the president tweeted, in all caps, our great usa wants and needs stimulus. work together and get it done. thank you. so three days ago, it was an all-caps tweet from walter reed medical center. and today it's ordering an end to talks. did he just decide we don't need the stimulus that badly? >> no. and i want to address the question, but just first it's something you said earlier about the standard of care. it's come a long way because of the president's leadership getting treatments to warp speed to the market. he's -- the course of this illness has been very fast. that's really terrific and part of the president's leadership that he's now actually benefitting from it and setting that example. to your question on the stimulus, look, we came up from

$1 trillion to $1.6 trillion to pay for things like opening schools, so parents don't have to do double duty, for things like ppe to get in small businesses to keep their employees connected to their jobs. we offered a stand alone airline bill to keep those people from being laid off. it became clear that speaker pelosi would rather have zero than $1.6 trillion. she was just playing games and holding things up. that's why the president said, let's accomplish something together that we can get across the finish line and confirm a fantastic supreme court nominee. let's get it done, and we are in silly season of the campaign, but that's going to be over soon, and then we can revisit the stimulus. we know how to help people -- >> i'm confused as to why three days ago it was all caps, want and need stimulus, work together to get it done. now it's okay, we're at this number you're at that number,

let's just put it off another month. >> the republicans have made so many good-faith efforts over the last month that have included ppe. it's included stimulus checks, unemployment insurance, airline bill, school funding, all these things that everyone agrees on, by the way. these are all things that have universal agreement. but they have insisted on including things that don't have anything to do with the coronavirus to really bail out democrat states. so she's trying to really exploit this situation that our country is in to get stuff that is unrelated. the president is not going to stand for that. so he decided to wait until after the election, then we'll give people the relief they know they need, that everyone agrees they need. >> brian, i appreciate your time. thank you very much. >> thank you for having me, airplanen. have a good night. next, nancy pelosi raising questions about president trump's mental status. she's crediting it to the steroids. we'll talk to our doctors about that. and the president ending talks

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breaking news. the white house saying they know how to deal with coronavirus.

as top trump adviser steven miller becomes the 11th person in the white house to test positive. now six of the eight people in the room for debate pret hap ha it, one ofthemischris christie. "outfront" now, dr. sanjay gupta and gloria borger. sanjay, i asked that question to the deputy press secretary very specifically. not when was the last test, i first wanted to know if he knew the answer to the question. i think it was clear that he was being honest, that he does not know. so you have now got the 11th person, six in the room with the preside president, and the deputy press secretary, who is running the shop because the press secretary has coronavirus, doesn't even know the answer to this crucial question.

>> i mean, it is known. the answer to this question is known by somebody. i mean, it has to be, right? we're dealing with a contagious virus that is obviously deadly. the president is a vulnerable patient by virtue of his age and preexisting conditions. i mean, this has to be known. this is a national security thing to almost make sure that the president is coronavirus negative. they said he was getting tested daily. i'm starting to believe that's not the case, but we still don't know when his last negative test was. i'm not sure why they're not disclosing that. i thought your questions were really good to him. you know, if you start to think about the idea that he may have been positive much longer than we realized, that's obviously a huge concern, which gets to the other question you were asking about contact tracing. when was the president's last negative is a crucial question here in the midst of an outbreak that's happening within his own house. we still don't have the answer

to that question. >> gloria, it's crucial, because obviously we care if the white house, on the honor system, said he tested negative before the debate, if that was not true, right? if he just hadn't been trusted. that's a big lie and it's important. but it also now matters from a national security perspective. you have a situation where six people in that debate prep room have it. two were hospitalized. 11 people total in the white house that we know of. the top general in the united states quarantined. this is now affected the entire corridor of power for the united states of america. and yet the deputy press secretary wanted to act as if it was a mere point of curiosity. >> he said to you, we want to be forward looking. the truth, is we need to be backward looking right now, because you need to know was he, was the president of the united states positive at that debate? we don't know the answer to that, because they don't want to tell us. because what it tells us is that

there's been an epic failure at the white house to manage this disease, and they don't want us to know about that quite frankly. and that, of course, has to affect the contact tracing. as for national security, you have to look at this and say look at the chaos, look at the uncertainty here. can somebody or someone or some foreign adversary try to exploit this? of course they can. i mean, they're looking at the white house that is in meltdown right now. and, you know, i think that is scary on lots of levels. but also the fact that they are not leveling with the american public about when the president last tested negative is quite remarkable to me. as sanjay says, someone knows and they're not saying it. >> and that's the bottom line, doctor, somebody does know the answer to this question. it's not just the president.

>> we all know who knows. shawn conley absolutely knows, because he administers the tests. i can tell you with almost certainty the answer to the question as to whether the president was positive on the day of the debate, and that answer is yes. because the average incubation period from the time of infection to symptoms is about five days. so let's turn the clock back. the president became symptomatic thursday night. so to think that he was negative on tuesday and now symptomatic on thursday is not really consistent with the natural history of this disease. and also, the fact that there was an obvious outbreak infecting people at the -- apparently at the scotus announcement five days earlier, again, is consistent with the fact that the president was probably positive earlier. so the reason why dr. conley will not disclose the last

negative date is that it was a long time ago. it was a long time ago. >> and yet, sanjay, they won't put that information out. again, i believe the deputy press secretary. maybe i'm the crazy one. i believe that he doesn't know. i don't think they're giving people like him that information, because they don't want it to leak out, right? gloria, i don't know, do you disagree? >> well, no. i think you're 100% right. i have to ask the question, what did mike pence know and when did he know it? he's the vice president of the united states. he's about to have a debate tomorrow night. and maybe somebody ought to ask him that question at the debate, i don't know. but what did the vice president know? doctor, you've been in the white house. i don't know how this information flows. but if you're mike pence, wouldn't you each ask the question of dr. conley, when was the president's last negative test just so i know for my sake and the country's sake?

>> well, they have obviously created a firewall. and dr. conley knows. unfortunately, since they went -- they used this notion that the president gets tested every day as one of the excuses for why he did not wear a mask in the presence of other people. you know, what they said was, the testing that he had precluded him from having the violence, so he didn't need to protect you from him. but the truth of the matter is, the test they have been using has never been designed to do this. in asymptomatic people infected with the virus, they may have a viral load of that test to detect it. so they've been using a flawed system to begin with. but if they acknowledge now that the president is infrequently tested, it just creates -- it just shows you that everything has been a lie up to this point. >> sanjay, one of the things that brian said that i found jarring was when he said we know

what to do when you get the virus, right? and we know how to handle it. obvious hi, they wouldn't have the virus if they had done the basic things, including wearing masks. his comment was there was nothing wrong with the president taking off his mask, because the photographer was behind him and he's not a leper. it's not a death sentence to be around somebody with coronavirus. that's his justification for what we saw last night with the president. not wearing a mask. >> yeah. justification is the right word. they're just trying to justify things. the president should be in isolation. i mean, you know, we're coming up -- they're coming up with excuses for all this behavior. he should be in isolation. he got in a car, he got in a helicopter, he flew to the white house, he was around people without his mask on. there's no justification for this. for his own sake and for obviously the sake of people around him, he is dealing with covid. he's probably shedding virus right now. he turned around, he walked into

the house. >> amidst a group of people who were not social distancing. >> yeah. and he walked into the residence. then he walked inside. so they can justify this all they want. this is another example of minimizing the virus. for the sake of the president who has covid, who has been sick from this, and for the sake of people around him, he should be in isolation. better at the hospital, that's where he should have stayed. >> thank you all three very much. and next, stop senate leaders accusing the white house of hiding crucial information when it comes to the white house outbreak. senator patty murray wrote a letter to the white house demanding answers. and michelle obama delivering her closing argument for the election, and she's not mincing words.

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breaking news. president trump pulling the plug on stimulus negotiations, saying he will focus instead on amy coney barrett and the supreme court. the dow falling nearly 400 points on the news. "outfront" now, the assistant democratic leader senator patty murray. i appreciate your time tonight. this bill had a lot in it, $25

billion for airlines. airlines say that would have allowed them to bring about 50,000 workers that they furloughed on october 1st. so now this has been put off until after the election. somewhat happens say to those 50,000 workers for the airlines? >> well, it's the airline workers, it's the people who have been unemployed, it's people in the hotel industry who are minimum wage workers, who no longer have a job and just waiting for a little bit of help. it's the people in the food line, on the front lines of this pandemic, and our health care system that aren't going to get the help and support they need. it's the small little communities reeling from the economic impact, who just had the president of the united states virtually say to them, i don't care. that to me is so irresponsible. >> i want to ask you about the letter you wrote. you wrote it along with the minority leader chuck schumer.

you accused the white house of "opaque and secretive handling of information." so when you say that, senator, what specific information do you think they are hiding? >> well, since the beginning of this pandemic, back in january and february, i have been angry because this administration has not taken this as an urgent health crisis. their number one job is to secure the safety and health and economy of this country, and they haven't been urgent about it. now we have a white house who is clearly covering up when this started, who was exposed, the extent of it. so those people who have been exposed can take care of themselves, quarantine, and not spread it further. it is really dismissive of people's health and message not to the white house, but to the country that this crisis is not being dealt with in a way to

assure you and your family that you are being taken care of. >> senator, why do you think they're doing this? why, if it's as simple as having people with the ability to take care of themselves, if they're in quarantine -- >> i fear that for the president, he worries about optics more than he does about any human being in this country. he doesn't want us to know when it happened or how it happened or that he might be the spreader or whatever because he's worried about politics. it is so past time to think about that. we have to think about the health and safety and security of everybody who has been exposed and every family in this country. i don't expect the president to do the right thing, but i do expect some people around him to be adults and stake charge and deal with this. >> do you think -- i don't know if you just heard the doctor who used to advise the white house and obviously worked with dick cheney and communicated with the press frequently in that role about his health. he's raising the point that the

president, he believes, had -- would have been positive for the virus on the day of the debate if he were to have been tested, which right now it doesn't seem he was. but we just don't know because they're not giving us that information. do you think, senator, because this is a significant thing to say if so, that president trump knew he was ill, but went ahead with his travel and events schedule? obviously, we know he was not well on thursday when he met with the donors and he knew hope hicks was positive, and that's a terrible thing he did that. but do you think he went to a rally, do you think he went to a debate -- >> i don't know. he looks like the kid with his hand in the cookie jar and he won't fess up. this is far more seriously, obviously. if they know when the president was contagious and are not telling people so they can take

care of their own health, that is so wrong. i'll just say as a mom and grandmother, it's time for people to take care of people around them, to make sure that they can take care of themselves and prevent themselves from being sick or spreading it. no one knows of any of those employees who work in the white house, whether it's military, whether it's the waitresses, what it's people who clean the bathroom or serve the president, if they have somebody hat home who could die of this. >> the white house deputy spokesperson was on. obviously, the press secretary is quarantined, so i asked him specifically whether he knew the answer to the question of when the president last had a negative coronavirus test, right? does he know the answer to that question? he said he does not know the answer to that question. do you think it's acceptable that the deputy press secretary wouldn't know that? >> well, somebody knows. and somebody responsible needs to stand up, fess up, tell

people. not so we can point fingers. i'm so far beyond that. but so people can protect their own health. if people have been exposed, they need to know it so they can get tested and quarantine, so they can stop the spread of this virus. it has impacted the health, well-being, and lives of too in people in our country and our economy, and as a policymaker, i can tell you, we have spent billions of dollars as a result of this pandemic. let's stop fooling around, let's take the steps we know that need to be taken, and it starts with letting people know if they have been exposed so they can take the precautions to prevent the spread. >> senator, thank you. i want to turn now to the dean of the brown university school of health, one of the nation's top experts on testing and coronavirus. so doctor, it was another thing that president trump did tootda that i want to give you chance

to be clear about. he claimed the coronavirus is far less lethal than the flu. he tweeted, many people every year, sometimes over 100,000 and despite the vaccine, die from the flu. are we going to close down our country? no. we have learned to live it, just like we are learning to live with covid. that claim is factually untrue. >> hi, erin, thanks for having me on. that was untrue, it was untrue when it was uttered in march. it's been untrue every time it's been uttered by the president and his supporters and it's just not the fact. this virus is between five and times more deadly than the flu. and that's why it is wreaking havoc on our society, and it's wreaking havoc because we have ignored it, acted like it's the flu and not brought it under control. >> so i also want to ask you about why you think the president is saying that. this is just show bring he's

going to go politically. i know you're not weighing in politically, but it appears that's what he's trying to do. he can't say i learned a lesson, because that would be taking responsibility for what's happened which he can't do. so this, is i'm going to rip that mask off and say this is nothing. >> yeah. you know, i this a lot of this, when we were watching the president struggling, he was sick on friday and saturday. and still sick, he's not out of the woods. we were hoping this is a wakeup call and help the president realize how serious this is, and therefore, get him on board with getting americans to take this virus seriously. and i think we're all feeling disappointed he's not used that opportunity in that constructive way. >> in fact, he did the exact opposite of what his arch nemesis has done. he's making the whole case of his re-election, is i'm going to be tough on china, they gave us

this virus. china, though, whatever dishonesty they had about their death count, they are back to normal way more so than we, right? we see them out on a holiday, they don't even all need to wear masks any more. when you see that, and images of strength, our president sees the image of strength as whipping off his mask, right? the image of strength projected by president xi was to go in a hospital and completely garbed in ppe. what do you make of that? >> yeah. on the one hand, china's actions, certainly the early days, i think was pretty unacceptable. and the way they brought the virus under brocontrol was completely draconian and police state, and it was unnecessary. a lot of other countries like south korea and germany and others who done it in a way that would have been much more acceptable to our people.

but either way, china has brought the virus under much better control than the u.s., and their economy is doing better as a result of it. at the end of the day, we should be one of the leaders when it comes to controlling this virus. >> appreciate your time. next, the vice president's staff rejecting a decision to place plexiglass around the vice president. the biden campaign responds next. and michelle obama speaks out in the final weeks of this campaign. >> a lot of people are being -- from those who want to get rich and stay in power and sometimes both.

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divided. th that, my friends, can no longer be. >> reporter: joe biden issued a call to action. >> we must vote, we will vote. no matter how many options are throne o thrown our way. >> reporter: coronavirus crisis raged across the country. biden says leaders should follow the science. >> wearing a mask is a scientific recommendation, we can't undo what's done. we kan can't go back. we can do so much better. >> reporter: his trip took him to pennsylvania while president trump is sidelined for the campaign trail with coronavirus. with just four weeks until election day. a new polls show biden with his widest lead yet over the president nationwide. the democratic nominee ahead of

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a lot of people are being sold lives from those who want to get rich or stay in power and sometimes both. as i have said before, we must all empathize with those who may not look like us or vote like us. >> reporter: the former first lady urging undecided voters to vote their conscious. >> we can no longer pretend that we don't know exactly who and what this president stands for. search your heart and conscious and vote for joe biden like your identify depends on it. >> biden told reporters if the president still have covid when they expect to faceoff, tomorrow kamala harris will be debating with vice president mike pence. today the biden's campaign featuring a set of new ads

featuring just kamala harris, highlighting her candidacy. >> it will be a crucial vice president debate. >> tomorrow tonight kamala harris will go ahehead to head h mike pence. our karine jean-pierre, it is so good to have you with me, karine, let me ask you of the latest information you have now is that katy miller who works with vice president is taking herself off of his team for the debate. she already had coronavirus. her husband steven miller we found out has tested positive. so you are going to be submitting these test results and are you confident in the

system here this time around? >> yes, we are confident in the system. if the president debate commission, they are in charge with the safety measures for this debate, we abide by them and listen to them and so we as a campaign are doing our part. we are getting tested and we are wearing our masks. we are keeping our social distance. that's how leadership looks like. that's what a biden/harris campaign is trying to do, lead by leadership. that's what's going to happen with their administration. look, this is serious. this is not a hoax. covid-19 is not a hoax. we see an outbreak literally happening in the white house. we have a president who is putting forward rhetoric that's dangerous. he's been doing that in particular especially since he left the white house.

>> katy miller had the virus and mocked your boss over the plexiglass shields that's going to be put up at the debate. she says if kamala harris wants to use a fortress around herself have at it. the president will not have the plexiglass. she's making this part of her argument, yes, i am going to own this. this is here and it is here for a reason. is this complexiplexiglass goin significant? >> let me remind everybody, mike pence is in charge of coronavirus, this is his job. he and his team should want more

protection. not just kamala harris or mike pence are protected but also the moderators and their families and the families who are on the front that's watching. that's what you do. that's what leadership looks like. it is shameful that mike pence who's in charge of this task force that his team is complaining about this. kamala harris is going to make that contrast between biden/harris and trump's campaign. she's going to lay out what biden and harris would do in a crisis like this to avoid what do we do during a pandemic and economic and lay out the plans and make that contrast. that's what this is about in the debate. it is about making sure you present to the american people a vision and our vision is very different than what we see with trump and pence.

>> the details we have is the vice president, 12 feet and thr 3 inches between them. we now know no opening and closing statements. what are the last thing that the senator is doing to prepare? >> the senator has a diverse prep team with her, they are some of the best who have done this at this level. she's ready and ready to make that contrast and make the case for a biden/harris administration. she's done it before. she's going to do what joe biden did last week is talk to the american people. let them know what is our vision and what is our plan. >> karine, thank you, i

appreciate your time. you can watch the debate live here on cnn tomorrow night. as i said so crucial to watch this. our special coverage begins at 7:00 eastern tomorrow night. thank you for joining us. "360 with anderson" begins now. >> good evening, tonight the second time, a few days after the president trump tested positive for coronavirus. steven miller is tested positive of coronavirus. we have words late this evening. we'll have live report of his diagnoses and condition. right now most members of the joint chiefs of staff including general mark millie are quarantining. he attended an event at the white house on monday. we learned a fourth member of the white house press operations been infected in addition