you can watch the debate live here on cnn tomorrow night. as i said so crucial to watch this. our special coverage begins at 7:00 eastern tomorrow night. thank you for joining us. "360 with anderson" begins now. >> good evening, tonight the second time, a few days after the president trump tested positive for coronavirus. steven miller is tested positive of coronavirus. we have words late this evening. we'll have live report of his diagnoses and condition. right now most members of the joint chiefs of staff including general mark millie are quarantining. he attended an event at the white house on monday. we learned a fourth member of the white house press operations been infected in addition to

kal kaleigh mcenany. it did not appear of a contact tracing of all of those came in contact with all positive personnels. the white house declined the cdc's offer of contact tracing. declined the offer of experts by the cdc. think about that? why would the white house decline the cdc's expertise in this. what are they trying to hide? even if the white house is doing their own robust contact tracing which there is not evidence of. it can be effective because contact tracing do not have the critical information needed to accurately warn people. that's because the president refuses to let anyone reveal

when he last tested negative. there are two critical questions tonight. when did he test negative and when did he first test positive. the president is trying to cover that up. we know this because his own doctor refused to give those details citing hippa laws. laws design to protect patient's privacies. those laws can be waved when the patient is willing to have the information known. the president does not want you to know when he last tested negative. instead he's making his doctors cover it up. >> on testing, can you tell us when he had his last negative test? >> i don't want to go bok waack. >> what was his vitals? >> any abnormal tests?

>> hippa precludes me going into too much depth to be discussed. at some future point, maybe, but today sorry. >> the president does not want the truth out there. he could have told dr. conley. we are talking about hundreds of people he could have exposed. any president deserves protection and if there is some gap in his, people should know about it. furthermore if the president was not getting tested everyday for covid like the white house previously indicated or the

president had tested positive, voters should know. that's wrerecklessness. tonight no one will answer that question. how long has the president been walking around with this? mock joe biden wearing a mask -- when was his last negative test? so now the first lady is infected and hope hicks and chris christie and three republican senators and many attended this rose garden event that you are looking at for

judge amy conen barrett two weekends ago. contact tracing requires knowing when someone tested positive and when they did not. that's how reckless this white house continues to be. the president lied to his tv talk show, sean hannity. according to the white house, he's been tested from returning to that fund raising trip. hope hicks was ill on the plane ride on wednesday night after trump's rally. should the president had been tested on wednesday night or thursday morning at the latest. reckless if he was. he then exposed hundreds of people at new jersey. don't they deserve to know, you the president knew if you were positive when you spoken in fron

of them without a mask? don't you owe it to them to give them some peace of mind for their families? apparently the president does not think so. >> hippa precludes me from going into too much depth. i am not at liberty to discuss. >> does not wish to be discussed. the president does not wish those things to be discussed. that's what he's talking about when he says hippa. the president can clear this up any time by answering these questions or tell his doctor. sure, but she chosen to play a strong man on the balcony. this was last night standing on the balcony. don't cry for him, just go and get tested, reckless. that's reckless. returning from walter reed last night and the first thing he did going inside and coming into contact with people.

>> he told americans they should not fear the virus that killed more than 210,000 people. they should not let it dominate their lives. not only because the coronavirus killed more people in this country in this year alone. we also know it is a lie because he said so in february to bob woodward. >> that's a tricky one and a delicate one. >> it is deadly than your strenuous flu. >> people don't realize we lose 25 or 30 pounds a ye,000 people

deadly. this is deadly stuff. when he said that back on the 7th. 12 people have been contacted covid-19 in the entire country. he knew about the danger or where he had been told about it. he said nothing. now with 210,000 meamericans de. the west wing is freaking out. the president once again said nothing. our jim acosta is joining us from the white house and dana bash. jim, do we know when steven miller tested positive and his movement the last several days? >> yes, he tested positive today and we have a statement from steven miller about this and

really flows right into the timeline we have been talking about it the last several days. i can review this quote from steven miller, i have been working remotely and isolating and testing negatively everyday and yesterday. today i tested positive for covid-19 and i am in quarantine. that's the statement from stooer stooer stooersteven miller. you have a situation where people are testing negative and positive for coronavirus. the white house has been relying on these rapid tests for so long. we all know we have been reporting this for months now they can be notoriously unreliable and that may be the case now. i can tell you, anderson, this is the work from home white house right now. there are large esections of ths white house that are empty and almost like a haunted house where you don't find staffers and where there are areas of the

white house are teaming with staffers. the area of the west wing are almost totally empty except for a couple of staffers. what they are telling everybody right now, if you suspect you have symptoms or coming into the white house, stay home. you know there are more members of the press than white house staffers at this point. >> the white house continues to claim they been taking all the right precautions. clearly they have not. and stephen miller is another example. they continue to be reckless. >> they absolutely have not. the thing is people have gone to the white house to see the president for events are told that by the medical staff at the white house that everybody is being tested and the assumption from people who go to the white house, everybody including the president of the united states. if you look at the members of

the president. the prep team who are working with him last week and through the weekend before he got sick. look at that. i mean everybody from the president to chris christie and kellyanne conway and hope hicks and now stephen miller are positive. the only two people who are sitting in that small room, who currently are negative are rudy giuliani and jason miller. stephen miller was negative five times until he was positive today. let's hope that the former mayor and jason mayor remains negative. based on what we have seen could change unfortunately. >> why will the white house still not answering the simple question. it is not the white house. why won't the president allow his doctors or anyone at the white house to answer this simplest question. when did the president last test

negative? the most obvious reason would be a, he's been positive longer than they claimed or he has not been testing everyday at all like the white house claiming and endangering people for a longer period of time. is there some other explanation? >> there really is no other explanation besides the way you preface that question. the president is only allowing his doctors revealing to the public what he wants people to know about it. what we are not learning are things and items that the president does not want out there. there is a concern they are not telling the public of what needs to be told. there is no concerns of the president's health this morning. there were some concerns from

the night before from his balcony moment where you can see he was gasping for air. wait a minute, concealing the president's health is a tradition that goes back to many decad decades. >> the president has a debate coming up. the debate is tomorrow and with joe biden the following week. why would joe biden stand on the stage with the president when they're not disclosing things about his health that may impact anybody in that room or certainly vice president biden. could the biden campaign say we would not debate unless we know when your last negative test was? >> absolutely. it is hard to imagine they won't do that given the fact that it is entirely possible that president trump was positive and

potentially highly contagious when he was standing at the beginning of the show not far away from joe biden pointing at him, you know rhetorically speaking and basically also for 90-minute straight. we kind of see from the beginning of these negotiations. and mike pence tested negative so far but still, he's refusing to have plexiglass around him whether it is sul liymbo symbol. >> the head of the coronavirus task force won't have a screen. jim acosta and dana bash. thank you. john pedesta is joining us now. the president trump is making

himself looking strong and afraid to look weak. stephen miller tested positive and apparently no contact tracing. does any of that look strong? >> i think we have done from the farce of the return to the white house kind of moussilini style to the tragedy that's be falling of the white house staff. we have the chief in quarantine. the most damming for the american people is the president's tweet not to be afraid of the coronavirus and no worse than the flu. if people would just mask publicly for the next three months, we can save 100,000 lives. the president is literally putting hundreds of thousands of americans at risk.

>> about half the country, i think 45% of the country is wearing masks. if 95% of the country would actually mask up, just wear a mask and you know not go out and just wear a mask and socially distance, as you said can save hundreds of thousands of lives. as a former white house chief of staff, i mean when you look at this white house, is there anyone in charge here? >> well, you know donald trump is kind of running the white house as chief of staff. i think his reaction of what he's been doing. he tried to suppress the new fda guidelines that were meant to create a safety regime around the potential for a vaccine finally, the fda kind of veered

their way around that by publishing as part of their many guidances and the white house finally relented. he has not issued any guidance to his own staff, white house staff calling press saying what's going on. should i come in? or should i stay-at-home? there is no order to wear a mask in the white house except from robert o'brien, the national security adviser. at least robert o'brien given some instructions to his team. you know i think the military they have a turn for a way of this management is handled. >> i mean if he was a ceo of the company and an actual company and not a temp company, he would be removed by the board of directors because he's been telling employees walking around without a mask and mocking employees and pressuring them not to wear a mask.

if you were running the biden campaign right now, would you want joe biden, your candidate to be on a stage with donald trump unless you had drirect access to the latest of his health information and knowledge if he lied about being tested the last debate? >> i think it is going to be hard to carry this out. i know that vice president biden wanted to debate donald trump. the first debate proves why he wanted to debate donald trump. donald trump clearly lost that debate. the polls crashed on him following the debate. his antics were just turning people off. he lost ground with senior citizens and biden looked strong. he turned into the camera. his speech at gettysburg,

calming the americans. trump is incapable of doing it. at this stage you have to ask yourself is it safe to go out there. i would be doubtful about that. maybe you can -- do one of those things where they do in the courtroom, put trump in another room and biden can be there with the town hall so that the president does not infect the rest of the audience who are going to be with him in that town hall debate next week. >> john podesta, appreciate you being with us. >> coming up next, a former cdc director, the professional, and michelle obama's message to voters. we'll be joined by two president obama's former advisers. "anderson cooper 360" brought to you by alka-zeltzer plus for

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dr., we left the program of stephen miller tested positive, what are you thinking? obviously we know this administration has been reckless, reckless. it seems like the reckless helicopte continues inside the white house towards their own people and it is only accelerating. >> what i am thinking is this ises the tiis this is the time to reset. we'll be approaching cases, the cluster cases we see in the white house like every case the local health department is trying to do and ensuring every single person who has been exposed has the ability to safely quarantine for 14 days. that's how you ensure one case does not lead to a small cluster of cases and an outbreak.

i trained at t at the cdc as a detective, this kind of work that the cdc is so good at it. this is not a simple outbreak or cluster related to a school. these are case that is are linked across many states and will take the kind of ex p amber ale expertise the cdc can provide. when they actually tested positive and when the last negative tests they had so you get a sense of whether it is positive this day or potentially positive and we have to warn all the people coming in contact with them. without knowing those two things can you do effective contact tracing? >> for every single person who tested positive or has symptoms,

you want the know when they first tested positive or first had symptoms because as you know and as we talk about all the time you could be spreading this several days before you first have symptoms. that information is critically important. you need to track where they have been. you want to look at when was the in-door and out-door exposures. i would expect to see the photo of the rose garden and knowing the amount of traffic that goes on in a place like the white house that there are hundreds of people that needs to be tracked and needs to know where they are at risk and the people they live with need to know especially when you get to that size, there is going to be some people falling into high-risk groups. >> is there any legitimate reasons you know of why the white house would refuse the

offer of the cdc with all their experience to do contact tracing? >> well, this is the kind of work that the cdc is so incredibly skilled at. it is the kind of work that the cdc provides relief around the globe when they are facing outbreak and especially complex outbreak. this is the kind of work the local health department do. the cdc has to be invited. they do not have the authority to go into a state to conduct an investigation. >> the former pandemic preparedness chief roughly resigned today. his attorney put out a statement saying, he no longer works for the administration.

he went onto assign no meaningful work since september 4th. i don't know if you know him particularly but i mean how concerned are you about what's happening to science in this administration? >> i am very concerned of the mixed messaging from science and politicians and they're not being guided by the best science. i think anyone who's in a leadership position in government especially in a science position has to have a line in the sand that they're not willing to cross. any sicientists willing to go against the science due to political reasons, really need to look in the mirror, why am i in this job. >> up next, i will speak to patty davis, daughter of nancy

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thank you so much for being with us. i am wondering when we heard the president's doctor cited hippa and essentially it is president trump who's not allowing him to say, not only what his lungs and ct scan shows and clearly there must be some problems with them. that's one of the things that he did not allow doctors to talk about and also when your last negative test was and when you first tested positive. >> well, that's what hippa regulations are. they give the patients control over what the doctor can tell other people. that's what the regulation is.

but, you know, being president of the united states is a unique position and the american people deserve what to know of what's going on with him. there is doctor confidentiality. i don't think everybody expects the president to give private details. excuse me, are his lungs scarred or had he been under oxygen does not fall under that heading. we need to know what the basic health is of the man who's sitting in the white house and as i pointed out in my washington post piece, it was not a perfect story when my father got shot. they made some mistakes and got some information wrong. an important difference is that there was utter panic that day. it took -- less than 15 seconds

for these bullets to mow down four people and put the country in paralysis verses a virus that's a worldwide pandemic for eight months. everyone is in a state of shock right now. they'll have plenty of time to prepare for this. so there is that difference and i don't remember hearing any out cry when my father was shot that we are not getting all the information or not being told the truth. even in the midst of panic, that white house knew that they needed to honor and respect the rights of the american people to know what's going on of the president of the united states. >> it is also one thing fo for -- it is understandable the white house wants to put the best face of a reelection campaign but another thing to have the doctors or the president's doctors saying this kind of stuff, putting a political spin and a happy face

on information, that sort of what's so unusual that is not the chief of staff giving this briefing. it is the doctor cherry-picking information. you wrote about after your dad was shot, did he change some activity? the other piece is the concern and lack of that this president seems to have about who he may be infecting currently and who he may infected and helping contact tracers being able to give information to people. >> yeah, i didn't know that when i wrote "the washington post." my brother, michael, told me yesterday about a conversation that he and our father had while he was shot. he told michael that she whe wa

going to attend church service anymore because he did not want to put other attendees at risk in case there is another assassination attempt. he sat and he never forget looking out at the rear window of the car that day as it sped away seeing people in pools of blood from bullets that were meant for him. whatever anyone thinks of my father's policies, that's who the man is. that's leadership. true leadership is caring for the people entrusted you in leading them. you know leaders put the people's welfare at the expense of things they want to do in their lives. >> i remember the secret service agents, one of them who were

shot became nancy reagan's security details. the secret service and how they care for the first family. i am wondering when you saw the ride that the president took in that vehicle with two agents in the front in a sealed vehicle that's designed to get through chemical attack, what did you think? >> well, i want to tell you something because it has been reported everywhere there were two agents in the front. if you look carefully, i am 90% sure there was a third agent in the back of the car facing out to the rear of the car. that's how they do things in case somebody comes up from behind the car. i think it is worst for the two agents. there were four people. one of whom who's incredibly contagious and only wearing a

cloth mask. it is shameful. i was such a brat with the secret service agents because i hated being followed but they are really good people. they have to take a bullet for their protectee and now i suppose getting a virus and watching out for them. the other people that i really think about a lot are the people working on the third floor of the white house. these are people who -- i have been there for years, decades even. they can't socially distance. they are doing their laundry and making their beds and serving them food. donald trump is not walking around wearing a mask. >> thank you so much for being with us tonight. >> thank you. i appreciate it. thank you. >> take care. >> michelle obama posted a 24-minute today urging people to

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with a month to go until the election, former first lady michelle obama posted a video today urging people to vote for biden. >> let's be honest. right now our country is in chaos because of a president who is not up to the job. and if we want to regain any kind of stability, we got to ensure that every eligible voter is informed and engaged in this election. as a black woman, who has the overwhelming majority of people in this nation done everything in my power to live a life of dignity and service and honesty, the knowledge of any of my fellow americans is more afraid of me than the chaos we are living through right now. well, that hurts.

it hurts us all. it is a heaviness that sits on our hearts. >> two people close to michelle obama, david axelrod and valley jared. she's the author of "finding my voice." >> michelle obama is a personal vested interest of the outcome of the race. how effective do you think her message will be getting voters in the polls? >> she's utterly authentic, she says what she means and she means what she says. this is a blunt message about covid-19 and how it has been handled by this president and the message of economics and what's going on and a blunt

message about race. the last part of this was appealing to young people and people of color about the importance of voting and i think all of them together the reason she's a powerful figure especially with the young is that speak the truth and they believe. this will be effective for them especially if they use it virally with younger voters. >> the former first lady laid out a lot of themes. the handle of the pandemic and calling his action racist, how effective do you think it will be? >> i think it was a powerful message. dav dave is right, she speaks from the heart and authentic and look through the lens of what it is like for parents out there and as a mom of two college kids herself and her perspective as a

black woman and the president's message is painful and what it must be like for black families across the country of a president polarizing and separating us and uses rhetoric that's racist. she has a mighty, powerful platform. people love here and she does not even like politics. she knows how important it is for our country to be led by this president. she wants to use her platform to deliver that message as power l powerfully as she could. people are already voting. she thought now is the right time where everybody is paying attention and everybody is re realing from the events over the weekend which she found disturbing given how close she is to the white house staff who took care of her family and who deserves better than this. the secret service continues to protect her and her family.

they deserve better than that. >> it is remarkable of the evolution of miss obama critiques from diplomatics saying when they go low, we go high. her dnc speech to talking about comments that trump made as racist. >> this man is not going low. that's being truthful and repealing to our nature. what was interesting about this is she spoke to white americans about race. it was not just about -- it was not just appealing to black americans and ask them for empathy to understand what it is like to be on the other end of some of those racist appeals. you know valerie is right, anderson. michelle obama is deeply -- she does not particularly like it.

the fact that she emerged in this way is a reflection of her passion about this. she believes strongly that donald trump led us in the wrong direction and she feels compel to use her platform. she does not do that lightly. >> also, some of this of the push that michelle obama is doing is because of what we have seen in texas and other places where clearly there are efforts to suppress the vote a drop-off box for a county that's larger than a state of rhode island in one case. clearly, it seems like a lot of prominent democrats are trying to do everything they can to just over come whatever obstacles they feel or out there to get people to vote and however they can fwet thget the

vote. >> that's exactly right. we are in the middle of a pandemic. she's loyal of people voting in a safe way and encourage people. make a plan to vote and figure out what you are going to do and what you are going to do. try early voting you can so there are not these huge crushes we saw on election day. wear a mask and be safe about it and certainly she's disturbed by these efforts to suppress votes. she's been devoting herself to let's not disenfranchise ourselves. >> i thought it is powerful that she attached the urge to vote, the duty to vote to history and to the sacrifices that people have made in the past to make it possible for black americans to vote, people like her. i thought that was the most

compelling part of this. she told people you don't have a choice. you really have to i thought this was a really compelling message. >> she spoke earlier after the last election on how soul crushing it was that, what, 100 million americans didn't vote, and that all of the effort that her husband had gone through to put our country on the path that it is on was in jeopardy because of that election. and she doesn't want to see that mistake again. >> thanks very much. >> you're welcome. still to come, senator tim kaine of virginia joins us. can tell us what to expect during tomorrow night's vice presidential debate.

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don't support me as for those who do. that's the job of a president. wearing a mask is not a political statement. it's a scientific recommendation. social distancing isn't a political statement. it's a scientific recommendation. testing, tracing, the development, and approval and distribution of a vaccine isn't a political statement, it is a science-based decision. >> joining me to talk about tomorrow night's debate, tim kaine. senator, thanks for being with us. i'm wondering what your advice to senator harris would be for this debate. >> well, first i'm going to save my advice to conversations with kamala, who is a good friend, but let me just point out a fundamental difference, 2020 to 2016. in 2016, neither of the ticks were incumbents so both tickets

were making their case -- here's what i'll do if you elect me. this is a different one, the trump/pence team had four years in office and we have death at an unprecedented scale, job loss, 10 million people since march, deficits and death skyrocketed and social division we haven't seen in years. i think that gives kamala the evidence to put on the table and say, no one is bet you're off than we were four years ago, why should you get one more day in office. >> pence's team balked at having a plexiglas barrier. the vice president's spokeswoman mocked senator harris saying, if senator harris wants to use a fortress around her, have at it. he was allegedly head of the

coronavirus task force. would you feel comfortable at the debate without enhanced safety precautions given the recklessness event seen? >> no. you should follow the cleveland clinic's advise. on february 26th, president trump asked mike pence to assume the most important title he'll have in his life when he said, be the president of the coronavirus task force. at that point as you know, there were no deaths in this country. the president said it was going to magically go away. we're months later, 210,000 death, job loss at an unprecedented scale, hitting hardest latino and african-american communities. for the vice president to still be fighting against science, he's presided over a task force that's mismanaged to a crisis to the greatest level in this country. he's still fighting against science. if they won't keep themselves safe, why would we think they'd keep america safe?

>> a new cnn poll chose biden has a lead 16 points among voters i'm not sure why they'd take solace in polls at this stage or any stage. do you concern it might cause complacence si among democratic voters who think, wow, 16 points. i don't need to go vote. >> i'm not worried about complacen complacency. we have a president saying he's probably going try to deny the results of election on november 3rd, so our only guarantee that we can sweep him and all like him out of office is the biggest margin possible. the good news is, what we're seeing in virginia, we are setting land records in term os early voting. ohio i believe started early voting yesterday or today, and senator sherrod brown was sharing we me, they're seeing tremendous excitement. i think you're going to see democratic turnout off the

charts. but we can't be come placent. remember, president trump was down in the polls last time, and he won and he wasn't president. he didn't have tools to disenfranchise or confuse or sew doubt. he's got those tools at his disposal now. >> is pence a good debater? >> he's a great communicator. remember, he was a radio talk show host for years before he got into politics. he could look into the camera and deliver it with sincerity even he knows it to be untrue. that is a real, real challenge. but kamala harris is sharp. you have seen her on the intel committee and judiciary committee and she's a prosecutor who has often been in a courtroom arguing evidence, and when a vice president pence tries to paint happy talk about how president trump has just done so well, i think you'll expect to see kamala marshall

the evidence about 210,000 deaths, job loss, deficits that are sky high, and you'll see her do that and do it well. >> senator tim kaine. thank you. >> absolutely. >> that's it for us, the news continues. want to hand it over to chris for "cuomo primetime." >> ander zonk thank you. the white house cluster keeps claiming victims as more key members of our government go down and trump insists covid, no big deal. no big deal that now all but one member of the joint chiefs of staff are quarantining after exposure, that stephen miller tested positive, mastermind of trump's divisive policies. also a fourth press aide just tested positive. over two dozen have fallen to covid so far and gotten sick. and more are likely given the continued unmasked madness in th