countries. that means anybody coming to italy from the uk will have to undergo a swab test at airports and other points of entry. other european countries on the list include france, spain, greece, belgium, netherlands. italy is also extending the state of emergency until january 31st. >> hope to see you tomorrow. brianna keilar picks up coverage right now. hello, i am brianna keilar. i want to welcome viewers here in the united states and around the world. we are beginning with breaking news. any moment, the fbi is expected to announce it has overthrown a militia plot to kidnap the governor of michigan, democrat gretchen whitmer. six men are accused of trying to overthrow the government. let's bring in crime and justice correspondent to talk about the details. this is what we're just

learning. tell us what you know. >> reporter: yes, so in the criminal complaint that was released by the u.s. attorneys, it is six individuals. what the fbi details is an extensive plot involving several individuals, groups who talked about kidnapping the governor, talked about overthrowing the government and using other people in the plot to conduct this activity. what's notable in this, the fbi caught onto the group in early 2020 through social media, they were able to infiltrate the group, used several human sources, paid confidential human sources, but then also used undercovers to infiltrate the group. they were able to get ahead of the plot, control it, for the

danger the governor faced. the governor may have been aware of the plot. what they detail is training, how the group talked about unhappiness with the governor. one point they talk about a facebook posting, a video where one of the leaders of the group talked about being unhappy about the governor closing gyms in michigan. obviously they talked about bringing other people stating te was firearms training, talked about improvised explosive devices that were potentially going to be used. most important, all of this coming as the fbi director has recently warned about this kind of a threat, the fear that the country here faces in light of the threat, in light of the rhetoric, in light of the division across the country.

the fbi director talking about extremist groups, domestic violent groups that have ideas to do these kinds of crimes, to try to overthrow government. certainly how extensive this was. they even talked about trying to kidnap the governor from a summer residence, a vacation home, and using a boat to try to escape. as i said, we'll have more details shortly from the fbi. we're expected to hear from the governor in a few hours as well, brianna. >> and had they taken any steps to make any of this a reality to prepare for any of this? >> reporter: certainly there was some steps, the training, but the fbi was along the entire process. they have their confidential informants that were working with them, they had undercovers working with them. so they were able to have eyes on the entire operation,

infiltrate it to prevent any kind of serious danger. but certainly there were certain steps taken, recruitment, firearms training, other methods that they used to try to further this plot. but of course, very important to note that the fbi was along this plot from what ultimately is the beginning up until they made these arrests, brianna. >> and this is all happening as domestic terrorism has been a concern at large with law enforcement in the u.s. they have concerns, we know white supremacy has been a concern and speaks to domestic terrorism being a threat that federal officials are taking seriously and trying to communicate the seriousness thereof. >> that's exactly right. this is what the fbi director recently warned about. this is what dhs, homeland

security has warned about. there are these groups, several people across the country that the fbi is following. there could be other operations that we don't know about yet. this is a major focus of the fbi right now. i think the fbi director has certainly made it clear, fbi agents across the country are trying to get inside these groups, trying to infiltrate, trying to gain information about what people could be up to. >> i have to pause. officials are briefing. >> without a unified front, including all levels of law enforcement focused on protecting the safety and well-being of our citizens. so today i am joined by u.s. attorney for the western district of michigan, andrew birch, u.s. attorney for eastern district of michigan, matthew snyder, any moment now we will

have the fbi assistant special agent in charge, josh hoaxherst, and police colonel joe gasper. the interagency effort in tandem with my office culminated in the execution of several search warrants and arrests, including grand rapids, hartland, luther, canton, orion township, waterford, belleville, milford, cadillac, shelbyville, plain well, ovid, kalamazoo, clarkston, sterling heights, shelby township. our efforts uncovered elaborate plans to endanger the lives of law enforcement officers, government officials, and broader public.

multi front operation to app rehenr rehend was skill fully executed resulting in no casualties. before we announce the preliminary charges, i want to thank hundreds of law enforcement officers who worked across agencies and across state lines and we are very grateful for their safety. with that, i'll ask the u.s. attorney for the western district of michigan, mr. andrew birch to tell you more about the effort. >> good afternoon. thank you, attorney general. last night, the fbi and michigan state police arrested six individuals charged in a federal complaint with conspiring to

kidnap the governor of michigan, gretchen whitmer. according to the complaint unsealed this morning, adam fox, barry croft, ty garbin, terry franks, daniel trangs conspired to kidnap the governor from herve indication home in western michigan before the november election. under federal law, each of the individuals faces a term of any number of years up to life in prison if convicted. fox, gar bin, franks, are residents of michigan. croft is a resident of delaware. all of us standing here want the public to know federal and state law enforcement are committed to working together to make sure violent extremists never succeed

with their plans, particularly when they target our duly elected leaders. the federal complaint in this case alleged that the fbi began an investigation earlier this year after becoming aware through social media that a group of individuals was discussing the violent overthrow of certain government and law enforcement components. through confidential sources undercover agents and clandestine recordings, law enforcement learned particular individuals were planning to kidnap the governor and acting in furtherance of that plan. the alleged con speerors used operational security measures, communicating by encrypted message platforms, using code words and phrases in attempt to avoid detection by law enforcement. among the activities, members of the conspiracy on two occasions

conducted coordinated surveillance on the governor's vacation home. fox and croft discussed detonating explosive devices to divert police from the area of the home. and fox even inspected the underside of a michigan highway bridge for places to seat an explosive. the complaint further alleges that fox purchased a taser for use in kidnapping and that the group successfully detonated an improvised explosive device wrapped with shrapnel to test its anti-personnel capabilities. the fbi and state police executed arrests of several conspirators when they were meeting on the east side of the state to pool funds for explosives and exchange tactical gear. this investigation is ongoing. agents of detroit field office of the fbi and other members of the joint terrorism task force,

including michigan state police, are conducting this investigation. agents in the baltimore field office of the fbi which covers delaware have also assisted. my office, u.s. attorney's office of western district of michigan is prosecuting the federal case. u.s. attorneys offices in the eastern district of michigan and delaware are and have been assisting. and the state of michigan has brought related charges against other individuals. of course, those charged with a crime still have rights that we respect. the allegations in the complaint are accusations. and presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. the defendants have begun to make appearances in federal court and the court will be scheduling their arraignments and bond and preliminary hearings. now it is my privilege to introduce to you the u.s.

attorney for the eastern district of michigan, matthew snyder for additional remarks. thank you. >> thank you, andrew. good afternoon. all of us in michigan can disagree about politics but those disagreements should never, ever amount to violence. because of the hard work of the men and women of law enforcement, police officers and federal agents, violence has been prevented today. this case is being brought in the western district of michigan. some of the defendants reside in the eastern district where some of the search warrants took place. but at the end of the day, what matters most is that people of michigan should be reassured that our state and federal governments are working together to keep us all safe.

i wanted to thank the attorney general and her office for her outstanding work and her committed partnership. i also thank the kernel, the fbi and u.s. attorney birch. every day police officers and federal agents put their lives on the line and do that for us. in this case, the agents made swift and safe arrests done by those officers and agents. we are most thankful to them. thank you. it is my pleasure now to introduce the director of the michigan state police, colonel joe gasper. >> thank you, attorney general, u.s. attorneys, and thank you to the fbi also. i appreciate the opportunity to

speak to everyone today and i would first like to start by saying thank you to the men and women of michigan state police, the fbi, and any additional agencies that assisted in this investigation. they not only worked tirelessly over the course of the last 24 to 48 hours but also since the beginning of the investigation. so thank you, job well done. to the partners here today, i want to express our gratitude for the support and cooperation, the partnership all of us here are demonstrating. this case is one of the largest cases in recent history that the msp has been involved in and i think that the nature of this case is rather unprecedented but it does send a very vivid reminder that while we may be in a time period of discourse,

possibly even divisiveness, fighting across the nation, law enforcement stands united. and for those who think that law enforcement is distracted, let me assure you that we are very much engaged with taking our responsibility to protect the public very seriously. we took an oath to protect and defend and to serve and together we will take swift action against anyone who is planning or seeking to commit violence or harm to anyone in the state of michigan. thank you again for the cooperation. illinois tu i will now turn it back to the attorney general. >> okay. unfortunately it appears as though fbi assistant special

agent hoxherst hasn't made it in time. is he here? he is on the way. if he gets here when i am done speaking, i will try to speak slowly so we can make time for his appearance. anyway, thanks again to the colonel and u.s. attorneys. you know, the fbi, state police, everyone's effort here so important. i would like to announce that my office has filed additional charges in addition to the charges already announced by the u.s. attorneys office in the western district, a count of the state. we had additional charges. i would like to announce the following preliminary charges pursuant to michigan anti-terrorism act against seven individuals, all of whom are now in custody, linked to the militia group wolverine watch

men, and associates of wolverine watchmen. the individuals in custody are suspected to have attempted to identify the home addresses of law enforcement officers in order to target them, made threats of violence intended to instigate a civil war, and engaged in planning and training for an operation to attack the capitol building of michigan and to kidnap government officials, including the governor of michigan. now, it's important to note these charges are subject to change after a complete review of the evidence obtained last night and may differ from those charged at the federal level. so we issued the following charges against the following individuals. paul beller, age 21 of milford, charged with three felony counts, providing material support for terrorist acts, 20 year felony, and or $20,000

fine. gang membership, 20 year felony which may be served as consecutive sentence. carrying or possessing a firearm during commission of a felony, known as felony firearm, two year mandatory prison sentence served consecutive to other charges. shawn fix, age 38 of belleville, charged with two felony counts, providing material support for terrorist acts, 20 year felony, carrying or possessing firearm during the commission of a felony, felony firearm. eric molator of cadillac, charged with providing material support for terrorist acts, carrying or possessing a firearm during commission of a felony. michael noel from plainwell, charged with two felony counts, providing material support for terrorist acts and carrying or possessing firearm during commission of a felony, felony firearm.

william noel, shelbyville, charged with two felony counts, providing material support for terrorist acts, and carrying or possessing a firearm during commission of a felony. felony firearm. and pete musico, and joseph more son, age 42 that live together and these men both are charged with four felony counts, one count of threat of terrorism, 20 year felony, and or $20,000 fine, one count of gang membership, again, 20 year felony may be served as consecutive sentence, one count each, providing material support for terrorist acts, and one count each for carrying or possessing a firearm during commission of a felony, felony firearm. before i continue with my remarks i see that the fbi assistant special agent in charge is here. i would like to bring him up for a few remarks.

>> good morning, thank you. on behalf of the fbi in michigan, i want to thank you and our partners of the u.s. attorney offices of the western and eastern districts of michigan and michigan attorney general's office and michigan state police. the primary mission of the fbi is to protect the american people and uphold the constitution. this investigation is an example of our continued commitment to the mission to protect the people of the state and to adhere to rights reserved by the constitution. the alleged conspirators are extremists that undertook a plot to kidnap a sitting governor. whatever extremist move into the realm of actually plotting or planning violent acts, the fbi's joint terrorism task force stands ready to identify, disrupt, dismantle their

operations, preventing them from following through on the plans. an operation of this scope cannot occur without assistance of law enforcement agencies large and small. we're incredibly proud of the work of our agents, task force officers, and law enforcement partners during last night's operation and throughout the course of this investigation. we rely on the public's assistance to keep us safe. if you see suspected criminal activity, want to report it to the fbi, call 1-800-call-fbi or submit tips online at tips.fbi.gov. thank you. >> thank you, special agent. well, with that, i just want to do a few things. first of all, i think it is important to give a shoutout to my staff since i have the

ability to do that and we're in our home offices here. i want to with deep gratitude thank solicitor general, the cheap deputy, chief of criminal division. danielle hagger man clark, john palace, first assistant in the criminal division, head of hate crimes division, and tom thabus, chief of the investigative unit. saying thanks to all of you and in addition, it is always important again to reiterate that a criminal charge is merely an allegation and the defendants are presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty. but with that, i want to thank everyone up here in law enforcement and everyone who participated in this matter, will continue to participate in this matter for their incredible efforts. brave efforts over the course of the past many months and to say to them that your efforts have left the people of the state

safer and instruments of our government stronger, and i know i speak on behalf of michiganders across the state when i say we're grateful and indebted to you for your actions. so thank you very much. >> if they take questions, we'll come back to that. meantime, let's talk about and understand what we're hearing now out of lansing, michigan. the fbi and state law enforcement there broke up a militia plot to kidnap the governor of michigan, gretchen whitmer. according to state officials there, there were also a number of state charges related to terrorism about trying to kidnap government officials in addition to the governor and looking up home addresses to target law enforcement and it appears to attack the state capitol building and to incite civil

war. that's what we learned from law enforcement officials at the federal and state level. i want to bring in shimon prokupecz, and andrew mccabe, senior law enforcement analyst, former deputy director at the fbi. andrew, to you first. just take us through what's the most important thing or things you heard during the press conference out of michigan. >> sure. thanks very much for having me, brianna. this is really an incredible example of what the fbi does best with its jttf partners, partners on the joint terrorism task forces. i can tell you from my own experience having dealt with literally dozens and dozens of similar plots during my own time in the fbi that this plot has all of the hallmarks of a very serious, dangerous situation that we are all fortunate the fbi and partners have gotten in the middle of.

a couple of things really reached out to me as i listen to the conference. i'm referring to notes here. first, i would point out this is yet another violent group plotting a violent act that the fbi was able to uncover because of their presence on social media. so going onto social media and interacting with these folks where they talk in their groups continues to be a very, very important way for the fbi and law enforcement folks to keep us safe and prevent these acts from happening. it was also interesting to me that they indicated use of undercover agents. that's a time tested and very reliable way for the fbi to figure out very early if what they're seeing on social media is just false puffery and bravado or legitimate plot that's in action. you make that determination by finding out, putting someone

into that group, developing an understanding of exactly what they're doing. in this case, they were conducting surveillance on the governor's vacation home, they constructed and detonated a practice explosive device. i mean, this is not a group of, you know, poor hapless nobodies that couldn't pull off a violent act on their own, this is clearly a group of people very focused on accomplishing the violent objective. so it's got really all of the earmarks of a very serious plot and i think we're lucky that the fbi was in the place they were to do the work they did today. >> we also take note that the reason they were able to arrest when it comes to the federal charges the six men they arrested, they were meeting on the eastern side of the state to pool their funds, to pool their money so they could purchase

tactical gear and explosives. so they obviously had already done some operational things like detonation of what was supposed to be a decoy explosive, but this is operational stuff they were doing. >> so by what the law enforcement officials there said, it is clear this was at the end stage or getting close to end stage of the operation. they wanted to do this according to the criminal complaint by election day, right? so that's less than a month away. so they met just yesterday, october 7th, i believe that's yesterday. they talked about making a payment for explosives and to exchange tactical gear. the other thing that's very significant to note what the law enforcement officials there said, we are certainly living in unprecedented times and to hear the head of the state police there say this is an unprecedented case, that this is the largest case they've certainly been part of, i think

that's significant. it tells you the magnitude of this, it tells you what law enforcement which we don't get to see because of this work, we don't get to see exactly what the fbi is doing, what other law enforcement partners are doing to try and thwart these threats that we recently heard the fbi director, christopher wray, talk about. we don't get to see this work until it comes to this, until it comes to a day like today. the other thing that's important to note is when we heard the prosecutors there speak and how they talked about this is a time period of discourse, of fighting across the nation, while it is okay to disagree with politics, it should not turn violent. clearly from listening to them you can tell there's a lot of concern across the country about the discourse, the political discourse, what's going on, the fighting across the country, law

enforcement is really on high alert for this. i think this plot, what is alleged in the complaint shows that. they were talking about according to the complaint snatch and grab, just grabbing the governor, storming the capitol, ways in which they could kidnap her. they talked about getting a taser. they talked about finding a location to take her to. this was far along in the process and the months that they spent and the work that the fbi did to get inside this group, i think that's very important to note. they didn't just use one informant, they had at least two informants, they had undercovers inside the operation because of the level of concern surrounding this. i think all of this is so notable, brianna. >> yeah. you mention just the actions they had already taken, that one of the suspects, adam fox, had

already bought a taser, that they talked about a highway bridge they could plant an explosive, that they discussed this plan to divert police with an x -- an explosion. that two times they did coordinated surveillance on the governor's vacation home. deputy director, i want to ask you about something that shimon pointed outed, saying we can agree about politics, we should not resort to violence. you can talk about what happened here and there are a lot of questions we do not have answers to, we do not know the motives and do not know everything about this group, but this is something for context that as we had seen demonstrations against some of the coronavirus restrictions that were under way in michigan, you have the president tweeting in april liberate michigan. he was tweeting support for protesters, some who were armed. this is a situation in michigan

that has been tense and has not been tamped down by rhetoric coming out of the white house. >> that's absolutely right. so a couple of things come to mind. first, the fbi analyzes plots along two factors whr, when the pick up on this language, they try to determine if the group has the intent and capability to pull off what they're talking about. here you absolutely see that in spades just from what little we know from the complaint and what was discussed at the press conference. clear intent and i would mention, mentioning doing this before the election gives great insight into the fact the group is looking for some sort of political impact and capability, purchasing a taser, putting money together, several meetings, conducting surveillance, test detonations. it is a very serious thing. as far as political discourse

angle goes, i don't think you can possibly overstate this. let's think back for a minute. we know that in 2016 one of the russians' primary objectives was to sew this sort of sentiment, discord, chaos, distrust in each other and in our democratic process. we also know from what the intelligence folks in our country told us in the last few weeks that they're continuing that same campaign. but let's not be mistaken, brianna. the person most responsible for this unrest, this sort of division and violence in this country right now is the president of the united states. the russians simply have to amplify messages that president trump is putting out on a daily basis. constantly berating the democratic process, claiming it is a rigged game, claiming it is replete with fraud, all of which we know is false. it is that rhetoric that causes

extremists to feel like now is the time to take action. it serves as a sort of trigger for folks that are already violent, maybe unstable, pointed in that direction anyway. that encouragement from someone like the president of the united states cannot possibly be overstated. it is dangerous and we now see it happening on the streets of michigan. >> we have seen some individuals hear what the president has to say, interpret it as a call to action. some of them are in prison now. andrew mccabe, former fbi fbi director, shimon prokupecz, thank you very much. we have more breaking news. the biden campaign just rejected the trump campaign demand to delay the second debate after the president refuses to participate in a virtual debate on the regularly scheduled day.

now to the 2020 campaign and debate over debates, how to hold

them when one of the candidates, president trump, is battling coronavirus. this morning, president trump bailed on a proposed virtual debate with former vice president joe biden set for one week from today, telling fox this. >> i heard that the commission a little while ago changed the debate style and that's not acceptable to us. i beat him easily in the first debate according to the polls that i've seen, but i beat him easily. i felt i beat him easily. i think he felt it, too. no, i am not wasting time on a virtual debate, that's not what debating is about, sitting behind a computer and do a debate. >> team biden suggested the second face to face clash could happen the following week. the trump campaign agreed but added the third and final debate should be a few days before the election. that's when the biden campaign pushed back saying the president's erratic behavior doesn't allow him to rewrite the

calendar. indicate ly kaitlan collins is with me. we had a lot of developments. take us through the debate schedule. >> reporter: it is to be determined. they agree with the suggestion by biden campaign to push it back a week, that would mean the second debate wouldn't be a week from today but two weeks from today on october 22nd. what the trump campaign wants is a third debate, days before the election. i don't think we've seen a debate that close to voters going to the polls. biden campaign is pushing back saying no, if we delay the debate by a week, that should be the final debate before voters go to the polls. it still seems unclear what they're going to do. should remind viewers, this is a decision that organizers of the debates made this morning before letting the campaigns know. typically they have been going back on forth on things like with the plexiglas at the vp debate, both sides come to agreement what it will look like. this appears to be executive

decision by the commission on debates. there are a few reasons the president pushed back on the idea of virtual debate. one, he made clear, he doesn't want to be muted by the moderator. he admitted that would be a potential if they appeared virtually, he and joe biden. secondly, if it is virtual, it will only remind viewers that we are still very much in the middle of a pandemic, that's something the trump campaign has tried to turn viewers and voters away from, to foam us them on other issues like the supreme court and taxes and what not, because they don't want to just focus on the pandemic. they know voters rejected their handling of it. it is still unclear if this is going to happen. but the president seems to be saying his diagnosis has nothing to do with this, even though that's primarily the reason they moved that first debate, and instead we heard very little from the president's doctor, he has not taken questions from reporters since monday. that's allowing the president to go and do interviews, put his own spin on his health claiming

things like he is not contagious any more, even though it has only been a week since he was diagnosed, brianna. >> we have not heard officially that he is not contagious or that he tested negative for coronavirus. kaitlan collins, thank you so much. i want to talk with carol simpson, the first woman and african-american to moderate a presidential debate, joined by david chalian, cnn political director. what do you think where we are now, the president's decision not to accept a virtual format for next week's town hall and rejection of pushing debates closer to the election? >> brianna, the man is sick. he needs to be in the bed, in the family quarters, resting himself and getting well. he's contagious. the doctors have not told us otherwise. so i don't know. i think he is speaking from his drug and steroid induced state of mind and he's not making any

sense. i don't think there are going to be any more debates because i think he still is not well. >> you think there are not going to be any more debates at all? >> i don't. >> david, what do you think? >> they're very much not in agreement now, they clearly don't trust each other. david, what do you think about all of this? >> yeah. as reported, i think that the exact future of the debates is still to be determined. what is crystal clear to me in all of the back and forth, joe biden's campaign is in the driver's seat on that topic. the president sort of gave that to them when he said he wouldn't participate in next week's debate in miami, the town hall debate after the commission announced they would do it with candidates in remote locations. and once donald trump stepped away from the debate, he was where the biden wanted him.

they're not eager to do more debates, the biden campaign. they have a double digit lead nationally, leading in battleground state polls. they don't want to take on unnecessary risk when they're doing so well in the race now. donald trump is the one that needs the debate, he needs tens of millions of americans tuning into a moment he can possibly try to use to turnaround his fortune. it was donald trump that walked away. biden got to be not the womimp factor, saying i am willing to do it from remote locations, and it is not about the rules, will time keepers be in place, will rules be enforced, no. it is about coronavirus and the president being sick, which is the issue the biden campaign wants front and center. right now, the biden campaign has the trump campaign where it wants it over the debate issue. >> this all started, david, with the commission talking about a virtual debate. i mean, correct me if i'm wrong, seems like a virtual debate

could have presented incredible challenges. >> well, yes and no. i think the word virtual, we should be a little wary of. we are having a virtual conversation, carol and i are in remote locations, you're an anchor, through television we're having the conversation. it would look more like that than a zoom meeting with the president and joe biden. so i do think the idea of being remote, you're right, it does present challenges. there could be delays. there's opportunity, fear the president said that his mike would be cut off, he would be muted somehow in the middle of the debate. there's no doubt it would not look like debates we're used to seeing. history shows us that one of the kennedy, nixon debates in 1960 was done with candidates in remote locations as well. >> i do not think it would turn out exactly like the way we're discussing now. i will say that. carol, i wanted to ask you about something else as well. we have seen the president

unleash this personal attack on senator kamala harris and i want to play some of what he said. >> she was terrible. she was, i don't think you could get worse, and totally unlikable, and she is. she's a communist. and this monster that was on stage with mike pence. >> carol, what is your reaction? >> oh. it makes me crazy. she's incompetent, a communist, a monster? a monster is a creature, a horrifying creature. it is not even human. he is dehumanizing her. it is again his misogyny and racism. i don't think he would have said that about a white woman. i think a black woman is a monster. i think it is just horrible and again, he's sick and maybe the

drugs and steroids talking, but this is really bad. this is one of the worst i've ever heard used against a woman. >> it is very bad. carol, thank you so much, carol simpson, david chalian. white house chief of staff hosting a lavish wedding in atlanta that went against the state and city coronavirus rules for the number of people who can gather. plus, we're going to roll tape on the one question the president's doctors and staff refuse to answer about his condition. and the president blames gold star families for his getting infected, basically suggesting he sacrificed himself for them. ♪

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at the center of the mystery surrounding the president's coronavirus diagnosis is the question of when he last tested

negative. the white house refuses to say. and they racked up quite the list of excuses why. let's roll the tape. >> i'm asking, do you know the answer when the president's last negative test was, do you actually know that information? >> i personally do not. >> remember when he had his last negative test? >> i don't want to go backwards. >> when was the last negative test, what was his viral load. >> when was the last negative test? >> again, hippa precludes me going into too much depth things i am not at liberty, wish to be discussed. >> we don't know when the last negative test was. will we? >> well, we don't normally get into the testing protocol for the president. >> i'm not giving a detail with time stamps every time the president was tested. estesed regularly. >> why is knowing this so

crucially important? because it could save someone's life. first, it would narrow the window to know who the president may have exposed, it would narrow the window how and when the president was infected, it would let the know where the president is in his health fight. it would show how long he should be isolated instead of shedding the virus like pig pen from peanuts all over the white house. the doctor says he doesn't want to look backwards. that's the points of contact tracing which is essential and which the white house refuses to do, or let the cdc do. it's october. nationally, they have no contact tracing strategy. they don't want to know the scope of the problem, they don't want you to know the scope of the problem across the country or inside the white house. if it wasn't a damning account of their failures, they'd try to survey the problem. so why won't the white house say when the president's last negative covid test was? is it because he didn't get a test before the debate with joe biden, even though it was required by rules in attempt to keep people safe?

is it because he will prove testing doesn't prevent the spread, it just reveals it? the president and many around him still don't seem to understand this basic fact, and then tested positive in the past week. he defended the lack of distancing, the lack of masks, by tweeting this, quote -- we had all just tested negative, every person there. the mainstream media seems to never want to mention that fact. well, the senator apparently never wants to mention the fact that you can test negative and still be infected, thus contagious. those are actually a patient's most contagious days, that you can test negative for days, and then later test positive like kayleigh mcenany did, like stephen miller did, and you can't be saved from infection by simply getting a test. sure, blame the mainstream media

for your hugs and close talking, your naked face, what is shaping up to be the biggest d.c. super-spreader event. the real culprit is the lack of transparency on when the president last tested negative, which is enibled by this excuse. >> hipaa precludes me from going into -- >> the doctor like to say it's a patient privacy thing. that didn't get in his way back in march when the president tested negative and dr. conley was just fine announcing it. or in may when the president tested negative and the good doctor revealed it then. no word why hipaa applies now,

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healthcare. a blatant flowing of the rules by mark meadows. in may, while gatherings in atlanta were limited to ten people due to coronavirus, meadows hosted a lavish 70-person wedding in the city for his daughter. this is a story broken by "the atlanta journal-constitution" which reports that jim jordan was also among those in attendance. just to be clear, in may georgia was averaging about 600 new cases per day. by the end of may cases top 45,000, deaths nearing 2,000. i'm joined by one of the reporters who broke this story, he's a political reporter for "the atlanta journal-constitution." thank you for being with us. you and your colleague reviewed pictures of the event. you say it was looking at it as

if there was no pandemic happening at all. tell us about what you saw. >> yeah. at the time there were strict order from the governor's office saying no gatherings of more than ten people were allowed in georgia. businesses were relaxed a bit, by still no big gatherings. mark meadows had a laughic wedding, with large groups of people gathered on the same dance floor, or in seats watches the wedding without masks, without social distancing, and without following what looks like any safety precautions. >> the wedding took place on may 31st, and then you saw on june 1st the restrictions were relaxed a little bit. even so, this event was breaking what would have been those more relaxed rules, right? >> exactly.

the very next day a new statewide order took effect that, for the first time specified rules for event facilities to have things like weddings, but they still banned gatherings of more than 25 people. even to this day in georgia, gatherings of more than 50 people are still banned. what we're hearing from readers and viewers is just outrage that they had to have their funerals remote or had to cancel weddings, or other family events for loved ones, they couldn't have in person, yesterday mark meadows, the they've of staff, came to atlanta and had his daughter's wedding here in person. >> has there been much enforcement when it comes to these gathering guidelines across the state? >> really none at all, or not very visible. as i mentioned, there's still bans on gatherings of more than 50 people, but just in the last few weeks we've had president trump arrive in georgia, the

polls showed a very close race here, so he was here about two weeks ago. vice president pence was here last week. a number of republican surrogates visiting the state. 'em governor kemp has appeared at some of the rallies with hundreds of people, few masks, indoorp and outdoor, in defiance of his own public safety order. >> greg bluestein, thank you so much for coming on and sharing your reporting with us. >> thanks for having me. just in the ratings are in. brian stelter, what are you seeing? are these big? >> they are a lot higher than i expected, to be honest. about 50 million people tuned in. compared that to the same debate in 2016, about 35 million. the numbers will decrease there are the day, but at least 50 million people watched. normally this is more like the

junior varsity ticket or the just in case sort of debate. it gets a lot less attention, but not this year. this year i think many americans see how important the vice presidential candidates are. they recognize the age of the candidates at the top of the ticket. they were very interested. more than 50 million, probably closer to 60 million when the final numbers come in. it shows that people are wide awake and paying attention. >> we're in a pandemic, right? so i think people are watching more in general. is there any way to tell how much of this is enthusiasm about the -- i guess -- >> i lost you, unfortunately. >> brian, here i am talking to myself. brian, thank you so much. we appreciate it. >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. i'm brianna keilar.

the fbi announcing they're charging six men plotting to kidnap governor whit mer. dramatic details were just announced a short time ago. >> after becoming aware that, through social media, that a group of individuals was discussing the violent overthrow of certain government and law enforcement components. through confidential sources, undercover agents and clandestine reportings, law enforcement lenders that particular individuals were planning to kidnap the governor, and acting in furtherance of that plan. all of this is happening against the back drop of new warnings of extremist groups in america. let's go to jessica schneider with more on this. juliet kayyem is joining --

there is jessica. we learned some stunning details really from law enforcement officials both from the state and the federal level. explain this all to us. >> yeah, we heard from these officials about an hour ago, really laying out what they say was this multimonth plot that ended in his charges of kidnapping conspiracy. they say that at least these six men, if not more, were conspiring to kidnap the governor of michigan. gretchen whitmer. it lays out the plot. the fbi began monitoring the social media sites months ago, early in 2020, also involved undercover agents and confidential informants who infiltrated these groups. this criminal complaint details how these men actually purchased tasers. they