welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria coming to you live from new york. today on the show the former vice president of the united states al gore. i'll talk to him about many things. among them, the lessons from his own presidential contest in 2000. that election, of course, went all the way to the supreme court where he lost. >> while i strongly disagree with the court's decision, i accept it. >> making george w. bush the nation's 43rd president. 20 years later, could this

election be decided the same way? also, as the nation's attention has been focused on covid-19 in the white house, the pandemic has been getting more problematic in many other parts of america and europe. just how bad will it get this fall and winter? >> and, a preview of my latest special about the u.s.'s role in the world after four years of donald trump. what does the rest of the globe make of america? and most important, can it come back? don't miss the premier of how the world sees america tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern. first, here's my take. at this point with over 1 million covid-19 deaths worldwide, spikes in various places from america to argentina, most of us have

recognized that this pandemic is not going away tomorrow, that we will be living with it and its aftereffects for quite a while. but that realization can make us very gloomy for understandable reasons. the world being ushered in as a consequence of covid-19 is new and scary. the crisis has accelerated a number of forces that were already gathering steam. it's revealed in the most vivid way possible that human development as it is happening now is creating ever greater risks. the backlash from nature is all around us, from wildfires to hurricanes to pandemics of which covid-19 may simply be the first in a series. the pandemic has intensified other things, too. for demographic and other reasons, countries will likely see more sluggish economic growth, intee quality will get worse as the big get bigger in

every sphere and computers, machine learning is learning so fast that for the first time in history human beings might lose control over their own creations. nations are becoming more parochial. their domestic politics more isolationist. the united states and china, world's two largest economies, are headed towards a bitter and prolonged confrontation. it's a dangerous moment. but it is also in times like these that we can shape and alter such trends, to complete the story of our future, we must add in human agency. people can choose which direction they want to push themselves, their society, and the world. in fact, we have more leeway now. in most eras, history precedes a long a set path and change is difficult, but the coronavirus has upended society. people are disoriented. things are already changing, and in that atmosphere further change becomes easier than ever before.

think about the changes we have already accepted in our own lives in response to the pandemic. we have agreed to isolate ourselves for long stretches. we have worked, attended meetings and had deeply personal conversations by talking to our laptops. we have had classes online and seen doctors and therapists using telemedicine. in a month, companies changed polling sees that would have normally taken them years to revise. overnight cities turned avenues into pedestrian walkways and sidewalks into cafes. attitudes towards people previously ignored or overlooked are shifting as can be seen in the newly adopted phrase essential workers. governments have opened up their coffers in ways that were once unimaginable and could lead to greater willingness to invest in the future. now, these changes could be momentary blips or the start of something new. we could, after the pandemic, continue with business as usual

and risk cascading crises from climate change, new pandemics, deepening inequality, or we could get serious about a more sustainable strategy for the future. put a price on carbon, build a 21st century infrastructure, train workers, expand the safety net. we could turn inward and embrace nationalism and self-interest, or we could view these challenges, which are not confined by borders as a spur to more global cooperation and action. we have many futures in front of us. we could choose to take one of them. in the sweeping historical drama "lawrence of arabia," the young adventurer played unforgettably by peter o'toole leads a band of warriors across the desert to mount a surprise attack against the ottomon empire. they cross through the heat, braving swirling sand storms. at one point they discover one

of the soldiers has fallen off his camel. lawrence decides he must turn around and find the last monday. the chief arab leader objects. >> if you go back, you'll kill yourself is all. you have killed him already. >> get out of my way. his time has come, lawrence. it is written. >> nothing is written. go back then! >> he serves amidst the sand and cyclones and finds him staggering about half dead. he brings him back to the camp to a hero's welcome. they offer him water. >> nothing is written. >> lawrence was right. nothing is written. we get to make our own future. i have drawn in commentary from my new book "ten lessons from a

post-pandemic world" which is x excerpted this week in "the washington post." you can buy my book at cnn.com/fareed, which i hope you will. let's get started. ♪ i want to get right to my discussion with al gore, the 45th vice president of the united states, and almost the 43rd president of the united states. welcome, mr. vice president. >> thank you for having me, fareed. >> let me first ask you, you know joe biden well. you served in the senate with him. you campaigned with him for the presidency when you were both primary contenders in 1988. is the man you see on the campaign trail, is the man you heard in the debate, is he the same? how would you characterize joe biden today? >> well, i think that the american people saw during the first presidential debate that

he is older and wiser. i thought that he trounced president trump in that debate, or maybe you could say president trump trounced himself. i know my view is partisan, but i think that was the nearly universal conclusion. he has put together an outstanding campaign. he is in command of the issues. he has a lifetime of valuable experience, and a predilection to reach across the aisle not to give up on principle, but to try to work out bipartisan solutions, and there is always a struggle about whether that's the right approach. but, boy, in this year of 2020 and in the next presidential term, that it seems to me is a skill and a predilection that will serve this country well if he is elected, as i hope he will be. >> you know that there are people in the democratic party

who worry about that predilection that you mentioned, who think that, for example, it means that he will not be sufficiently committed to things like climate change, that he will give in to republicans, and there are people in the democratic party who worry that the enthusiasts, the activist on the left will not come out because they are not sufficiently enthusiastic as somebody they see as more of a centrist. what would you say to them? >> well, first of all, if you look at his climate proposals and his economic plan, it is by far the most expansive and responsible climate legislation or proposal that we have ever seen in a presidential campaign. he had actually puts it at the centerpiece of his economic plan, as he should, because it's a huge job creating engine. you know, the last five years

solar installer jobs have grown five times faster than average job growth in the economy. the fastest growing job right now is wind turbine technician. the oxford review of economic policy with joe stig lits and others recently found that a dollar spent on renewables and the transition to a sustainable economy creates three times more jobs than a dollar spent in any other way. so it is exactly the prescription that we need, and his proposal to completely decarbonize the electricity grid by 2035 is an outstanding proposal. and to be carbon neutral by 2050. he is serious about this. there are a few things on which i would like to see him go further, but i don't think you are going to see and you are not seeing now any diminished ennuseiasm on the part of those who share the views i feel so

strongly on climate. bernie sanders, aoc and others are making note of things they would like to push harder for after the election. again, if joe biden wins. but they are very clear in saying priority one is to win this election. then we'll have debates on the margins of what more we could do after the election. but what he's already proposed is truly outstanding. >> what are your worries about what could happen after november 3rd? if there is a certain amount of mess around the mail-in ballots, you have seen this movie before. tell us what -- you know, what did you learn from that process in terms of challenges, court contestation. how messy could it get? >> well, number one, the american people and our

constitution must be respected. anyone who refuses to rule out unleashing violence if he doesn't win the election is really launching a grave and contempt uous insult to the constitution and to the american people. you know there is a story in my faith tradition, and all the abrahamic traditions, including sunni muslimism, about a judge who had to decide which of two women claiming the baby. in the parable, he said, okay, i'm going to cut the baby in half and give half to each of you. the woman who said, no, no give it to her, he immediately award the the baby to its true mother. the parable applies here. if one of these candidates is threatening to tear the country apart if he does not win the

vote, then that is instructive as to who the right choice in this presidential election should be. he has expanded the range of possible chicanery and trouble making that we have to plerepar for. i am certainly among those hoping that the outcome in the election will be decisive. we have to be cautious that because there is an historic percentage of mail-in ballots differentially by seniors who are both more vulnerable to the pandemic and, therefore, probably more attuned to the outrage many feel about the gross incompetence and recklessness with which president trump has approached the pandemic, that's why he is trying to discredit the idea of mail-in ballots. but people are not buying it.

but what it does mean is that on election night there may be what's called a red mirage that people who vote on the day of the election may be more in trump's favor and then a blue shift as the mail-in ballots are counted. again more of them this time than ever before for reasons everybody understands. we have to be patient and let the votes be counted. and when he says we may not know the result on election night, i thought to myself, well, i think that's actually happened before. it was a 36-day delay in 2000. but the american people have a right to be heard. i hope that they all will be. >> al, stay with us. next on "gps," i am going to ask the former vice president about climate change. can we stop the absolute calamity that might be upon us? is there time and what happens

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in 2006, al gore released his magnum opus ""an inconvenient truth"." quickly 14 years later it's obvious that millions of people have seen the film, not enough heeded its warnings. climate change continues all but abated. back now with al gore. let me ask you, al, as you know, in my new book one of the things i try to stress is that the pandemics, the fires, the droughts, the hurricanes, this is all part of a kind of problem, which is that we are

continuing human development without thought to what it is doing to nature and, meanwhile, you are seeing these natural back lashes. do you think covid-19 could be the wake-up call that we need? >> well, it could be because, first of all, it gives us obvious evidence that when the leading scientists, in this case virologists and epidemiologists, start warning of impending danger, we best listen to them and prepare. in the same way, the climate scientists have been warning in even more dire terms about the danger we are facing with the climate crisis. a danger whose consequences don't last months and years, but centuries. and if we don't get a handle on it quickly, millennium. so i think it is part of a broader awakening which we've also seen in the recognition of

these long-standing institutional racism problems and injustices. so i do think that it is a wake-up call for many. and by the way, i read an excerpt of your new book, fareed. it was absolutely excellent. it does tie all of these things together. there is some good news. first of all, the new demographic projections indicate that we are not likely to see population go to 11, 12, 13 billion. it may stay under 10 billion because women and their partners are choosing smaller families and we are succeeding in reducing infant mortality and making fertility management more available and educating girls and women. we are seeing an historic drop in the cost of solar electricity, wind electricity,

battery technology, electric vehicles, and a lot of other less well-known efficiency improvements, hyper efficiency options that are really creating new options. last year worldwide, 80% of all of the new electricity generation installed was solar and wind. we're seeing now the cost of new solar plus battery storage is significantly cheaper now than a new gas plant. it already beat coal-powered generation. and within a few short years it will be much cheaper than oldesting fully depreciated gas plants. so if we can overcome the political inertia and the legacy political and economic power wielded by the fossil fuel companies to try to fool people and also to buy, to influence legislative decisions to keep

subsidizing fossil fuels that are 38 times greater than renewables, i think we can see a pathway. but time is wasting as they say. we have got to get on it. >> where do you stand on frac sng as you know, joe biden has tried to find some kind of a middle path in the election. he says he'll ban new fracking but not existing fracking. the advocates, of course, point out that united states has been able to reduce its emissions, in fact often meet the paris climate goals, because natural gas has lower emissions than oil. how should we think about this? >> well, it's a great question. it's one of the areas wihere i would like to see him go further. but that's okay. and i think he's made some proposals that move in the right direction. and again the backdrop of all these discussions, fareed, is what the technologists call a

cost down curve, continuous reductions in the cost of renewable energy. every year it changes. five years ago, electricity from solar and wind was cheaper than fossil electricity in 1% of the world. now it's cheaper in 70% of the world. within five years, it will be cheaper in 100% of the world. now, the physics of the problem really should rule the day, not politics. it's not that clear that the global warming potential of gas is that much less than coal because it leaks in the fracking process. each molecule of methane, which of course is what natural gas is, is 84 times more powerful as a molecule of co2 in trapping heat. if you get 2 or 3% leakage, which some observers think we to, it wipes out that advantage. but even more important than that, the key fact is what is

already accumulated in the earth's atmosphere. very have -- it stays there roughly 100 years on average, and the accumulation already traps as much extra heat as would be released by 600,000 hiroshima bombs exploding every single day. we have got to stop using the thin shell of atmosphere around our planet as an open sewer. and that means moving as quickly as possible towards the elimination of burning all fossil fuels. the transition stage for gas is just about over. i think it is over. it was called a bridge to the future. well, it's a bridge to nowhere now. we have reached the end of that bridge because renewables can pick up the slack just as electric vehicles will soon begin to take over from internal combustion engine vehicles. >> we have just about 60 seconds left. i do want to ask you one thing. do you ever reflect on that 2000

race and think about how different the world might have been if the supreme court had decided with justice changing his or her vote differently? >> well, for anyone who does look back at that election and wish that it turned out differently, i would say this. you have an opportunity to vote right now in this election. make a plan. vote early. convince others to vote. if there is a particularly decisive outcome in this election, and i know that we don't even know what the outcome is going to be, i get that. but if everyone votes, and it's a decisive outcome, that's the best way to reflect back on what happened in 2000, to just make it an overwhelming turnout and then we will accept the will of

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using the right test for the right purpose. they were using a test that was actually quite insensitive. about up to half of the individuals who might be actually infected with the virus would actually turn up with a negative test result. so we said back in july, you know, trying to protect the president with a test that had that kind of performance characteristics was a lot like giving squirt guns to the secret service and hoping they could protect the president against an assassin. it was a matter of time. >> what does that tell us about our testing programs nationally or -- i realize there suspect really a national program. the accumulation of the 50 state programs? it seems like all of these months into it, we still don't have some kind of rational comprehensive testing program. >> well, we don't. in fact, think i would take it a step further and say if this is the will elf we are able to protect the president of the united states, what does it say about our national plan or lack thereof to protect u.s.

residents? this is what we have been talking about for months and months. we don't have a national plan. >> and right now you are seeing states with fairly sharp increases. are though doing the right things to bring those numbers down? >> we are going exactly in the wrong way. we are on a collision course right now with destiny. and i had paid a prediction a month and a half ago following labor day when students came back to colleges and universities, extensive transmission there which would spill over into the community. combine that with pandemic fatigue, people tired of trying to deal with the virus. you have weddings, funerals, family reunions, any kind of activity where you might have lots of people coming to g together and bars and restaurants and you put that together along with now an increase almost of people indoors because of the fall, you have the worse mix for transmission. i said a month and a half ago and i'll stick with the numbers here, we are going to far exceed

the 67,500 cases we saw a day at the peak in july. we are going to blow by that. we are at 57,000 cases reported in one day, and that's up from 32,000 cases just a month ago. >> what about europe? in many of those places they seemed to be following better practices and they had better testing programs. but you are seeing a lot of spikes in europe. >> well, they, unfortunately, learned all the bad lessons that we taught them as we should have learned from them earlier. when we look back in april, it didn't matter where you were in the world. the world had these areas were houses on fire. we all in a sense locked down at that time. a terrible term. we tried to basically keep people apart, distancing. and what we did is we got from 32,000 cases a day in april down to 22,000 cases a day on memorial day weekend and decided we were done. we had had enough of this. we were going back into everyday activity. the protests happened. people thought being together

wasn't a problem and you saw what happened. we shot back up to the 67,500 cases by july. europe largely continued to stay shut down and only in august did they really start to release the break. when they did it, they did it so quickly that then we are seeing what's happening now. so they are trying to recapture in a sense some of the work that they had done earlier in the year and it's our hope they can do that. there are many instances much, much lower rates than we are seeing here in the united states. >> and what explains the numbers? and even when they have flare-ups it's from such a low base. you look at the number of covid-19 deaths in singapore, taiwan, south korea, vietnam and they are astonishingly low. even the flare-ups auto wouldwo considered successes by our standards. >> they are doing what new york is doing. they are monitoring very closely. when there is a slight increase

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the arrest of 13 people who were alleged to be involved in a plot to kidnap michigan's democratic governor gretchen whitmer. according to the criminal complaint the conspirators had already surveilled the governor's vacation home twice. they allegedly wanted to snatch her before election day and try her for treason. the arrests were perhaps the starkest reminder of the threat of violence surrounding the american election. joining me to talk about extremism in america and beyond is cynthia miller, the director of polarization and extremism research an innovation lab at american university and the author of "hate in the homeland," the new global far right. professor, welcome. the first thing that struck me about this was how well planned this plot was. this is not -- this was not a fly-by-night thing? >> exactly. this was in the planning for months. it was well executed in terms of its elaborateness involving a

lot of people, involving the purchase of expensive equipment for surveillance. so this was a clear escalation in the kinds of plots and planning we have been seeing from anti-government extremists in recent years. >> do you see that there is something at heart that motivates these people, or is it a mixture of things? i mean, people talk about wheit supremacy. there are other kinds of almost libertarian type, you know, anger at the federal government. what is -- is there a common or main engine here? >> the thing that all of these extremist groups have in common is a sense of threat. so it's just how they define that threat that varies. and the threat is when it gets to the very extreme fringe into terrorism, defined in existential terms as posing a dire threat to one's own existence oar the future or the future of their people or nation or race. so you have white supremacist

extremists who see that as a threat from multiculturism or demgration. and from the anti-government extremists they see the threat from a perceived tyrannical government. >> some of the language in the group that was plotting against governor whitmer was fairly misogynist misogynistic. is this another piece of it? >> yes, it's often overlooked. . extremist fringe often has enter sections with misogynistic ideologies. we have seen that in the attacks on women for example and also see it in the use of misogynistic language like this. >> and how would you rate the degree to which they take comfort or some accepts of encouragement from politicians? there is this issue that president trump seems to dance around where he will condemn but

not quite condemn, or in charlottesville he said there were good people on either side. is this important to look at or are these groups motivated largely for their own reasons? >> this is an important factor. there is no doubt that the incendia incendiary racist language is perceived to be calls to action for these fringe groups. i think it's not -- we can't pin everything on one administration, particularly when you look at the fact that we have had a 320% rise in right-wing terror globally over the last five years. this is not just an american problem and it's not going to be solved by moving away from one administration. >> yeah, i want to talk about that global rise because the statistic that stunned me was when i saw that, i think it was just this week, german domestic intelligence came out with a report that said they found

1,400 suspected instances of right-wing extremism among soldiers, police officers, and the intelligence community in germany. that is an almost chilling fact. >> it is chilling, and it's particularly chilling because the germans are better than anyone in the world at paying attention to this threat of right-wing extremism because of their history. so they have a much better built out infrastructure within their intelligence and security services to monitor right-wing extremism and track it as well as intervene. and so if they are picking up on this and being proactive about these investigations into, you know, the military and security services and police engagement in right-wing extremism, you can bet it's happening elsewhere as well. >> how worried are you that this will flare up after november 3rd, after the election? >> i am very worried about the

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