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between now and election day. but baurear in mind, the countr now averaging around 50,000 infections a day. yet, the president, just a week out of the hospital and whose medical status is still largely unknown has kicked off what could be a covid superspreader tour. >> i went through it. now, they say i'm immune. i can feel -- i feel so powerful. i'll walk into that audience. i te i'll walk in there. i'll kiss everyone in that audience. i'll kiss the guys and the beautiful women and them -- every -- i'll just give you a big, fat kiss. >> yeah. but he didn't do that. he stayed far away. the president, tonight, in florida. at one point, he threw masks out into the crowd. and, yes, as it's been at many of his rallies, many of the people on camera behind him did cover their faces but not all. in fact, mask wearing was more the exception than the rule, in what was a very large crowd, as you can see. and perhaps, it shouldn't

surprise anyone that the president is okay with that. and is okay with these large gatherings, as long as he's not anywhere close to the actual people. here is the head of the coronavirus task force, vice president pence, this weekend, also, in florida at a mass gathering. the state's largest retirement community. and in case there is any doubt that the people around the president are also acting as if the pandemic isn't really worth bothering with or protecting others from, here is his chief of staff at the capitol today refusing to talk to cnn's kristen wilson, unless he can take his mask off first. >> that way, i can take this off to talk. well, i'm more than ten feet away. i'm not -- well, i'm not going to talk to the cameras. >> so, the man that's been by the president's side ever since the boss returned from walter reed, stood on the balcony, removed his mask, then went inside where people were gathered. we hope he is taking greater care in private, than he does in the halls of congress, if only for the sake of himself and his family. as for the president, his tweet

yesterday got labeled by twitter misleading and potentially harmful. it reads, quote, total and complete signoff from white house doctors yesterday. that means i can't get it, immune, and can't give it. which foreshadows what he said tonight and is only half true, at best. the cdc has issued guidance saying people can continue to test positive for months without necessarily being infectious. and i am quoting cdc here. the science does not imply a person is immune to reinfection with sars-cov-2. he issued a paper statement this evening, i can now share with you that he has tested negative on consecutive days using the abbott binax now and gen card. also, cited additional clinical and laboratory data and said the president quote no longer considered a transmission risk to others. he did not, however, say that in front of cameras or people who might ask him actual questions. and given his misleading, past statements, that is certainly

disappointing. even if the president's 100% safe to be around, you got to ask about the hundreds of thousands who gathered at his rallies. what about them? they certainly can give it to one another, and spread it further from there. the president had nothing to say about that before leading from florida. but the nation's leading expert certainly did when asked by cnn's jake tapper. >> we know previous trump rallies in tulsa, oklahoma, and minnesota, have led to infections and illnesses, possibly even death. we know the trump campaign does not require masks. they do not require distancing. as a public-health matter, how worried are you about these rallies that the president is kicking off? >> you know, jake, i'm glad you used that word as a public-health matter because, put aside all of the issues of what political implications a rally has and just put that aside. and look at it purely in the context of public health. we know that, that is asking for trouble when you do that. we've seen that, when you have

situations of congregate settings, where there are a lot of people without masks, the data speak for themselves. >> dr. fauci, as you know, was equally blunt about the rose garden event last month as so many people either got infected at or spread the virus at or both. the doctor called it a superspreader event. and today, he explained why such gatherings are so dangerous, now. >> it happens. and now is even more so a worse time to do that because, when you look at what's going on in the united states, it's really, very troublesome. a number of states, right now, are having increase in test positivity. states above the sun belt, states in the sun belt. if you look at the map with the color coding of cases and states that are going up. you see states in the northwest, in the midwest, it's going in the wrong direction, right now. >> the president is clearly not listening to dr. fauci, anymore. not using dr. fauci's experience

and intelligence. he is, however, using dr. fauci, his credibility, to help him get re-elected. dr. fauci's -- he's edited dr. fauci's remarks into a campaign ad, to suggest, misleadingly, that dr. fauci endorses the president's handling of the pandemic. it is, as you will see a bit later in the program, untrue. factually, incorrect. frankly, considering that 215,000 americans are now dead, it's far worse than just that. it's also par for the course. listen to the vice president today on fox, and keep in mind, again, this is the guy who is supposed to be in charge what he likes to call the whole-of-government effort to defeat covid. >> are you comfortable with rallies going forward, at this point? >> well, i really am. we had a great rally here in columbus, ohio, today. lots of enthusiasm. a great, outdoor rally. and -- and, look. one of the things the american people have proved, over the last eight months, is people know how to put their health first, the health of their families and their neighbors first.

>> keeping them honest, that is what mr. pence always does. he deflects any question challenging his or the president's recklessness by making it seem like the questioner is actually attacking the american people. few, if any person -- few people would get up in the morning and say, yeah, today i am going to contribute to a deadly pandemic. public does not lack good intention or intelligence. what a good deal of the public lacks is information needed to help themselves, their families, friends, and neighbors. they are not getting it. in fact, from the very people's words who carry such weight, they are getting the exact opposite. because of that, those same friends and neighbors and family members, some of them are getting sick and dying. our gary tuchman is at the president's rally. he joins us now. gary, what did you hear tonight from the supporters at the rally? >> anderson, macho man by the village people is playing right now as the rally just came to an end. donald trump spoke for about an hour. now, if you thought that people would be more careful in trump rallies, after hearing that donald trump had the coronavirus. and that there was a superspreading event at the

white house, you would be incorrect. hundreds and hundreds of people lined up outside in the broiling sun for hours here today in sanford, florida. there was no social distancing and i would say about 90% of people did not have masks. everyone had their temperature checked. they were given hand sanitizer. and they were also given masks but there was no mandate to wear them. and most of those masks were put in pockets or put in purses, never to come out again. we talked to a lot of people who decided not to wear masks, and we heard various explanations. >> what happened at the white house, recently, where so many people who were outside at an event got coronavirus, including the president ended up with coronavirus. that doesn't concern you? >> no. no. >> why doesn't it concern you? >> i'm healthy. i have no underlying health issues. and that seems to be the people that are most prone to getting the disease. >> the president was healthy, too, though, and he had to take a helicopter to the hospital. he had good medical care, right? did you have care that good in. >> no but i take care of myself. >> why not just put on a mask?

what's the difference? >> a mask can actually do more harm than good to individuals. >> how can it do more harm? >> it can. because people -- people can faint because there's too much carbon dioxide going back into their system. well, just enough. enough people are getting ill because they're wearing a mask. >> really? >> so, yeah. >> where'd that come from? that information? >> common sense. >> do you believe you won't get sick from it? >> i don't care if i do because i know i'm not going to die from it. >> how do you know? how do you know that, with all due respect? >> you know what? if i do, i do. i'm not afraid. i believe in god and i trust that, if i get the virus, then that was god's will. >> we've also seen the numbers drop every single day. >> well, the numbers are going up now, though. >> in this -- here. >> i mean, mr. trump says it's disappearing but it's not. that's the truth. >> well, i am debating on what the truth is for that because what i can see, it's -- all the numbers that i have read have been down. and i'm seeing that the flu is taking more people. >> so that's what you believe? >> yes. >> let me ask you this. if president trump, at the rally, said everyone put on

their masks. >> i would put it on. >> what that woman told us was very interesting because we heard that from a lot of people. that, if president trump made a request today to put on your masks, many people tell us they would put on their masks. but donald trump made no such request. anderson. >> gary tuchman. thanks. enjoy macho man. joining us now. two more floridians. dr. marty is an infectious disease expert at florida international university. with us as well, cnn senior political analyst, david gergen, who served four presidents on both sides of the aisle. dr. marty, the positivity rate in florida is above 11%. cases are going up there. dr. fauci said having political rallies is asking for trouble. just from a public-health perspective, how concerned are you about rallies like this? anybody giving kind of rallies like this? >> i am wounded. i am deeply, deeply wounded, to

see this misdirection and misinformation because these kinds of events will cause more and more cases. we're seeing, already, in our hospitals, again, the admissions are going up. we're balancing those, by being able to get people out of the hospital sooner than we were because we've learned a lot. but it's still happening. we're having problems with our schools. and the messaging is completely wrong. >> congresswoman shalala, i mean, once again, large crowd. the president's supporters packed together at this event. most, not wearing a mask. i mean, did -- did you have any thought or hope that the president might change, given the fact that, you know, he had to be helicoptered to a hospital and receive very rare treatment to bounce back from covid? >> obviously, not. this is now the -- he's now moving around the country, having these rallies.

spreading the disease. not necessarily, from him, personally, because he has a lot of distance. but people within these crowds, not wearing masks, someone has covid. and so, it's the trump spread now. but the idea that he is spreading this disease, as part of a political campaign, is simply outrageous and immoral. >> david, just from a getting elected standpoint, i mean, are big rallies like this, that essential for -- for president trump? >> no. maybe one. maybe two. but not this series. with these rallies, we're staggering from one obscenity to the next. and it's very clear that these rallies haven't helped him very much politically. his numbers have been going down since all this nonsense started. what he really ought to do is reassess, talk to people like donna shalala. and then, go and do his job as president. go back home and get a deal with

nancy pelosi. the democrats and the republicans. to put money in people's pockets without having to wait week after week after week. go back there and solve some of these problems. and prepare the country for what's coming. this wave that's coming. just to think there are 11% of the people in that audience, in this rally, are likely to be positive. that's what the recent tests show. 11% of the people there. they are all spreaders. and this is -- this -- you know, it is a -- it's just -- it's been obscene. >> dr. marty. i mean, the president claims he is now immune. just be clear. you -- one can't say they are -- you are -- i mean, i don't know. can one say you're definitely immune if you have been infected once? the cdc specifically cautions people not to assume they are immune or, you know, how long any immunity might last. >> well, anderson, thank you for that question. it's actually a layered question. and i'm going to start with the first part that i object to,

which has been broadcast, which i find really, very disingenuous, to talk about the results of an antigen test when you are more than five days from the time at which you started your symptoms. it simply has no meaning, no value. it's -- it's simply a way to provide misinformation. and it's tragic because the only way we would know whether or not, for example, the president is contagious, let's start with that, is to get the ct values from rtpcr in a properly done lab from a properly taken sample. that's one. number two. immunity. immunity is incredibly complex. i tell my medical students that it's -- it's much easier to be a brain surgeon than an immunologist. immunology has incredible detail to it. he received an antigen -- excuse me, an antibody cocktail with two different antibodies against the sars 2 virus, the spike

protein. that, by itself, while could be extremely helpful in getting viral load down in his body for a time while those antibodies are there. in effect, decreases the chances that his own body is forming the types of t and b cells necessary to become immune. so, it's really, quite the opposite from what's being -- what's being broadcast. and i have no idea why the wrong message is being sent to the american public. >> you know, congresswoman shalala, it doesn't surprise me what the doctor said about, you know, that the test that he received, not really being the one that is definitive. dr. conley has been misleading in his statements. i mean, it's one thing for a doctor to say, look, i can't talk about that. my patient doesn't want me to release that information. but he doesn't say that. he has gone out of his way to mislead on the president's condition. the fact that we still don't know when the president actually, in the time right before he got ill, when was the

last time he tested negative? the fact that they actually -- they did admit they weren't testing every day, as they had claimed. it seems like he's going to get away with having lied about when -- how often he was getting tested. and whether or not he was positive the day of the debate with vice president biden. >> well, the president clearly is -- information, himself. i mean, there's no question about that. but in addition to that, dr. conley is not explaining these tests the way dr. marty just explained them. nor, is he answering questions from doctors the way tony fauci is whenever you can get him on. detailed questions from doctors, about the treatment that the president received, when he got infected. so there's just so much we don't know. but i put it all on the president because the president, clearly, is only letting certain

information getting -- get out. and dr. conley should not be giving partial information, which he absolutely knows is partial information and misleading. it's one thing to say my patient won't let me give that information. it's another thing to mislead the american people. this is very dangerous and very reckless. >> you know, david gergen, you said this is -- you know, the president, with the daily kind of rallies like this is going from one obscenity to another. i'm wondering if it has the opposite impact on other people, who are not there, who are watching this. i mean, if -- obviously, energizes the people who are there, unless they get sick. and then, they -- their energy will be sucked from them for a time being. but i'm wondering if people, other people, looking at this just view this as the president, the administration's recklessness, as a prime example. i mean, that it's a daily

reminder of just the reckless disregard for people and this pandemic. >> i think a lot depends on what news shows you're watching. what channel you're watching, as to what you believe. now, the people who are being interviewed by gary tuchman there tonight, you know, who believe these things that are -- are false. they're patently false. and yet, they do believe them. and how'd that happen? it happened because they were watchers, particularly of fox, and they were getting a stream of misinformation. it's one of the things i think it's increasingly threatens our republican, anderson. jefferson argued a long time ago, democracy depends on a well-informed public. and clearly, we don't have a well-informed public, at least not to the degree we should. >> yeah. david gergen, dr. eileen marty, appreciate it. congresswoman donna shalala, thank you so much. >> next, what both campaigns think about the state of the race. plus, later.

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obscenity to the next. then, stops in iowa and north carolina. vice president meantime michigan on wednesday. wisconsin in particular, seeing cases explode over the last several weeks. from a pandemic standpoint, can't be good. that said, so close to election day, with people already voting, question is what about the politics of it? let's get political perspective now from david chalian and chief political analyst, gloria borger. david, what does the -- the -- the campaign travel schedule by -- by the president say about how they view the president's standing right now? >> it doesn't say very good things, anderson. it says that the president is working from a defensive position, far more than an offensive position. and he's got a bit of a hole to dig out of. just look at the schedule of his -- his campaigning, alone, that you put forth on that graphic. you got florida, north carolina, iowa, a state that he lost by -- a state that he won by about nine points in 2016. and pennsylvania.

only pennsylvania, in that group of states he is traveling to this week, had that sort of traditional democratic dna that he upended, in 2016, to secure his victory. but if you're in iowa and you're president trump, three weeks out from election day, you are trying to defend turf that many in your campaign believed would've been off the table, by now. so, i think if you look at the travel, you see, here, that the president is in the business of trying to shore up some states, that actually should already just be in the bag for him. >> gloria, what about vice president biden's schedule? he was in ohio today. he is going to florida tomorrow. his wife, jill, is in georgia today. going to texas tomorrow. those are all states that president trump won in 2016. is -- i mean, is that a sign of confidence that i mean -- >> offense. offense. one is on defense. one is on offense. i mean, you know, take a look at ohio. ohio, of course, is a state that no republican has ever won the presidency without.

last time, trump won it by eight points. it's now very close. so, joe biden is there. florida. we know all about florida. we know that was tight last time. we know that the president won. we know trump won. but, again, very, very close. so -- and then, look. sending jill biden to georgia and to texas. okay. these are states which, of course, you would throw in the red column, immediately. but, not so fast, this time. they are at least competitive and i think that they believe, in talking to someone in the biden campaign about what jill biden can do, she can shore up support from those suburban women that's so important to the biden campaign. and so, they are sending her out to do that. in these states, they know they may not win but they think they have a shot at it. >> david, president trump is down double digits in national polls. the cnn poll of polls has biden leading 53% to 42%.

whether a does it look like in terms of path to 270 electoral votes for the president? because i look at these polls and i think, like a lot of people, think, well, wasn't hillary clinton way ahead in these polls, too? what does that matter? >> i mean, she was ahead in national polling. she ended up winning the national popular vote on election day. but as you know, that doesn't get you the presidency. and so, you're right to ask about the path to 270. donald trump has always had a narrow path. but that path has narrowed, over the course of these last eight months. as his numbers have gone down, in relationship mainly to his mismanagement of the outbreak of coronavirus. and so, what you see now is if you look at our electoral college outlook of where things stand in the race, three weeks out right now. joe biden, if you add up all the safe democratic states and the states leaning in his dreirecti, he's already cross that 270 threshold, right? so, not only does donald trump now sort of need to sweep all

the battlegrounds. ohio and north carolina and georgia and florida. he actually, also, now needs to dig into some territory that is leaning in joe biden's direction. that's why pennsylvania is something that he has to fight for, for the end. because without those 20 electoral votes, it's very hard for him to get to 270. that whole notion of the upper midwest, pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin, it looks like joe biden is building back up that blue wall, right now. and so, donald trump has to go hunting and find a state with enough electoral votes, somewhere, that is in joe biden's column right now. and -- and yank it back. that is -- that is a tall order. >> and, gloria, i mean, to that point. so much looking like it's not going the president's way, at this point, in the race. again, if you believe the polls. he's decided to hold these large rallies. i mean, does it draw -- i mean, i guess, to some people seeing this, it looks like, okay, great enthusiasm for the president. president likes it because he likes to see all the people. and he gets to perform.

i guess, other people would look at it and say, well, isn't that drawing attention to the recklessness of this administration? >> yeah, it is. but first of all, and i was talking to an outside adviser to the trump campaign today, who said to me, look. this is as much about the president's psyche as it is about anything else. he wants to do rallies. it energizes him. and he believes it's what helped him win in 2016. and it's going to help him win again. but there are people who are saying, look. this is not 2016. and these rallies, as you point out, only, you know, only point to the pandemic. and only point to his mishandling of it. and if you are trying to enlarge the number of people who are going to vote for you, as david chalian is saying, why not wear a mask to that rally? why not say, you know what, here's what i learned about covid and i think you need to wear a mask to stay safe, he

might be able, who knows, to attract back some of those undecided voters, those suburban women, who are upset with him because of the way he's handled covid. and how he's learned nothing from having gotten covid, himself. but, instead, he thinks it's 2016. he thinks he may be running against hillary clinton. who knows? talking about mike pompeo releasing her e-mails, again. same, old, same old, instead of trying to enlarge his base. >> and, david, i mean, when you look at vice president biden, you know, we saw him at some event. i think it was -- i'm not sure where it was. but just a moment ago. there's no one there. you know, he's -- is there a value for him? i mean, when he goes to a place, is it just to do local tv interviews and be on the local markets in -- in those places? >> well, that's a huge part of it. there is no doubt about that. it is not a crowd-building exercise, clearly. he's been following these guidelines. very socially distant. folks are really spread out that

do attend. and -- and they're not trying to generate big, big crowds. anderson, it's about that local news coverage, though. you know, joe biden's plane lands. he goes and does an event. that's very valuable coverage. and then, he can do, obviously, some local interviews on the ground as well. but he also could just stop in a local store. again, with social distance. with a mask on. he'll do that every time, according to guidelines. he travels with folks who advise him on every bit of the local guidelines, state and city, to make sure the campaign is following it by the letter of the law. i mean, that's -- that is not what donald trump is doing. >> yeah. gloria borger, david chalian, thanks very much. interesting. >> more on the president's rally coming up. i will talk with a trump supporter who used to not wear a mask and thought the virus was a hoax. then, the virus hit him and his family in a tragic way.

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of mental health and addiction is finally over. president trump back on the trail tonight in florida for the first time since getting coronavirus and being hospitalized. as you see, supporters packed in an airport hangar, not social distancing. few masks being worn. my next guest voted for president trump. supports him, still. but has changed his mind on the pandemic. for a long time, he throat it was thought it was overblown. well, now, it's different. tony green held a gathering back in june. all six people, including him, got sick. then, it spread further in the family. total of 14 family members got infected. two of them died. tony was hospitalized. he survived. the ordeal, though, has changed his view on the virus. he wrote, quote, try imagining someone you care about on life support. try being the one to pick the

only ten allowed to attend a funeral. he went on to say, try imagining one more thing. resulting in you alone in a hospital bed, fighting for your life. imagine the only human contact you feel is a stranger's rubber glov giving you medication, checking your vitals, and changing your diaper. that is impactly whexactly whato our family. those are the words of tony green. he joins me tonight. >> tony, can you just walk us through what happened? how your family got infected? >> yes. it was actually the six of us that got together on the weekend of june 12th. my parents, my partners' parents, and the two of us. just, you know, an at-home, kind of, get together. >> you were pretty skeptical of -- of the whole pandemic, around that time. >> actually, before that. you know, so much misinformation that's out there. and, you know, you get trapped going down a rabbit hole with people. not necessarily, just, you know,

media per se but everybody that's within your circle. you know, you start hearing a bunch of chatter. and, you know, you form your opinions, based on what you're hearing. and a little bit to do with what you hope to hear. >> so you got together. you had a nice weekend, the six of you. you end up in the hospital from covid-19. i understand you started feeling sick, even that weekend. >> yes. yes. we -- we were all experiencing symptoms, of some kind, within about a 72-hour period of time. >> wow. >> and during that period of time, we'd obviously had some -- well, some of us had had other interactions with other people within the family. so, it began to spread very quickly. >> yeah. i know you ended up in the hospital. your father-in-law, his mom, were also hospitalized at the same time. and in total, 14 of your family members got sick. >> that's correct. >> so, that includes others who hadn't even been at the -- at the house. your father-in-law, i know, was on a ventilator.

and -- and what happened? >> you know, it's weird because, you know, we had a great relationship. always on the phone with one another or in each other's presence. but during the period of time that he was in the hospital. you know, we both went in the same day. i ended up out in like three or four days. they had saved me from having a stroke. it attacked my, you know, my nervous system. and they kept me for observation. i was trying to figure out where he was at in the hospital. that was the same location. you know, which floor are you on? you know, all the details. and we just communicated back and forth. and he just seemed like he was gaining his energy. he was positive. looking forward to going home. but he's joking around with me on the phone at 1:00 on this sunday afternoon. and by 5 or 6:00 that afternoon, he was on a ventilator. i mean, it was completely just blindsided. >> and he -- he didn't get off the ventilator. he died? >> no. that's right.

>> the -- you've written about this. and you talk about some level of guilt over, you know, pushing to have the get together. i'm wondering how you see it, now, and why you wanted to speak about it. >> the feeling that i have, anderson, is kind of like what i would say a drunk driver would have if they killed their family. you know, i mean, it was unintentional. you know, this was my home. this is where it happened. so, you know, there is a sense of responsibility even though i'm pragmatic enough to know that we don't know who had it. it may have been him, my father-in-law, and he may have given it to his mother had we not have gotten together. and the same results would have happened, just fewer infected wech we don't know that. >> i know you voted for president trump. and i am wondering what you made of the white house, the administration's response to this, overall. >> yeah. a fair question. you know, i -- i'm looking at the totality of his presidency. some of the things that he's done, that are very special and

very important. this is -- this is a major blunder. and i'm -- i'm saying that with full sincerity. yes, i consider it when i consider, you know, who is the candidate that, you know, deserves my vote? and, you know, i don't -- i don't really have a lot of excuses for failure. you know, it -- it was a big -- it was a big failure. there should've been more mitigation that was done, in the beginning. it should've been taken more seriously by the administration. there should've been more conformity, within the panel or the -- the -- the ones that were spearheading this and roundtable, coming up with protocols and things. i think that should have been a lot more uniform, with people's responses. it seemed like they'd be behind the president, and they'd be at a press conference or briefing. they'd -- they'd have an agreement between one another before that. something. that they would leave the podium and instantly go and say something that contradicted something of somebody that was standing next to the president.

that made it very, very hard to not only follow but digest. >> let me ask because i think your perspective's really interesting and really important. do you think if the president had clearly said, i'm going to wear a mask, everybody should wear a mask. this is the patriotic thing to do and actually did that. do you, as supporter of his, would that have made any difference? maybe, it wouldn't but i'm just curious. >> with me, it was a lot of things but i think, yes, it would have been convincing to -- to have had that. i -- i think that is a very fair question and, yeah, if he were asking me, i'd tell him the same, in person. i do think that that, maybe, left a lot of people open to getting an infection that they could have, maybe, avoided. so i'll give you that one. >> bottom line, though. your message to people, right now, who are watching who, you know, might wear masks, might not. and -- and think it's overblown and a hoax. >> all i can do is just say, you know, i have to be the example.

we have to be the example to, i guess, bring awareness but, also, tell people, hey. you know, whatever it is that you got in the works, you know, we're coming up on thanksgiving. we are coming up on christmas. it's hard time for people. i understand that. but just take a little bit of extra precaution. when you're around others, you know, try to have your events in larger homes or outside if the weather's permitting. or just -- if -- if you're nervous about it, i don't say don't be afraid of it. i think you've got a reason to be afraid of it. i think you should -- i think you should, you know, maybe bow out this year. if there are legitimate concerns for that. >> yeah. well, tony, it's a difficult thing to talk about and i really appreciate what you wrote about it and what you said today. and thank you, very much. i wish you and your family the best. >> very much. thank you. >> still to come tonight. breaking news on dr. fauci's reaction to his words being used and twisted in a trump campaign

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breaking news on the politics of the coronavirus. on cnn dr. anthony fauci said president trump's campaign should take down a highly misleading campaign ad featuring dr. fauci. the ad, which the president is defending, is running in the battleground state of michigan. trump's team clipped fauci's

comments in such a way to suggest that the famously nonpartisan doctor was praising president trump. in reality, he was praising public health issues. this is what dr. fauci told my colleague, jake tapper. >> should the trump campaign take this ad down? >> you know, i think so, jake. i think it's really unfortunate and really disappointing that they did that. it's so clear that i'm not a political person. and i have never, either directly or indirectly, endorsed a political candidate. and to take a completely-out-of-context statement and put it in what is obviously a political campaign ad, i thought, was really, very disappointing. >> faufci was also asked, fauci said that might actually come back to backfire on them. joining me now, former cdc director, dr. thomas frieden. dr. frieden, i mean, it's obviously dishonest. i'm wondering is it dangerous that the trump campaign is using

dr. fauci's words out of context? certainly, for somebody who has a high level of credibility, it seems to undermine that. >> well, anderson, i can't comment on the politics of it. but if we just look at factually, it's very clear that what dr. fauci was saying is not what the campaign wants that to be construed as. you really can't say, with a straight face, that the administration has done everything it could to stop covid. no one, who understands public health or covid, would say that. in fact, the record of this administration is of colossal failure. even now, eight months in, there's no national plan. there is no common understanding of where we are. and there's not the existence of frank and effective communication. those are the three most important things to run the response to an epidemic. and all three of them have been really lacking in the federal response. so it's clear, whatever the politics of it, that dr. fauci's comment does not refer to

actually the performance of the federal government. which sadly, has been such a tragedy that we've had over 100,000 of the more than 200,000 deaths that probably didn't need to happen. >> it's, also, remarkable and particularly hypocritical when dr. fauci has been sidelined. i mean, you know, dr. birx, dr. fauci, the people who actually have long experience dealing with pandemics and -- and as, you know, epidemiologists and experts. they have been sidelined and, yet, the president's campaign clearly wants to use fauci's credibility, in order to bolster his own campaign in a campaign ad. so, he doesn't use him to actually get the benefit of his scientific knowledge. he uses him for his credibility, to advance himself. >> and, you know, anderson, what's fascinating about this, also, is if you look at what dr. messonier from the cdc was saying in january and february,

it was that this was going to be a pandemic. and really, what the president was telling bob woodward was not so far off. but when dr. messonier said that to the american people, she was hardly ever heard from again. i think the -- the bottom line is we do trust americans to do the right thing, if we give the information in a frank and open way. as long as you're credible, you give people concrete information, you tell people what you know, when you know it, how you know it, what you don't know, and how you are trying to find it out. you'll have a much better response to this pandemic. so the -- the so the reality of being frank with people, good news and bad, what we know and what we don't know. that's the essence of an effective response. credibility is key. >> dr. birx and dr. fauci have been sidelined to the extent that you wouldn't know there's a coronavirus task force and that they're actually still on it. tonight there was reporting a few weeks ago that dr. birx was questioning how long she could remain on the task force. dr. fauci told cnbc there's no

chance he would walk away. what does it say to you that, you know, dr. fauci, who has again just dedicated his life to fighting infectious diseases, are put in these positions and regardless of, you know, being kneecaped or sidelined or ignored, attacked, threatened, is still willing and still, you know, feels it's important to do what he can. >> i think what you see through the federal government -- ask tony is a friend. i've known him for many years. you see in the scientists at cdc, is their commitment is not to a political party. it's not to a politician. it's to the american people. and the commitment is to do the best job they can to save as many lives as possible, to provide open and transparent information, and to hope that they're allowed to do their job and that their role is not misused or abused by anyone. >> just finally when you look at the pictures from the president's rally in is notfosa florida, it seems like there's

going to be a rally like this every day in the president has his way during this campaign. what concerns you most in the short term given this is just one week after he left walter reed? >> well, outdoors is much safer than indoors. so the more things that are outdoors, the better. masks are safer than no masks. so you'd really like either indoors with masks on everyone and distanced if possible, or outdoors, ideally with masks, but less important to have masks outdoors. i think the bigger challenge here is really the understanding that they failed to stop a cluster at the white house, and we're failing to stop clusters all over the country. the same day the president became infected, about 200,000 other americans became infected, and about 1,000 of them will die from this. each day we're seeing around 1,000 deaths in the u.s. >> yeah. >> and that is a preventable and shocking tragedy. >> yeah. dr. tom frieden, i appreciate it

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watching. >> reporter: a potential generational shift for the highest court in the land. >> yeah, i'm going to take it off here. okay. thank you. thank you. >> reporter: playing out amid a once in a century pandemic and a presidential election. >> this hearing should have been postponed. the decision to hold this hearing now is reckless and places facilities workers, janitorial staff, and congressional aides and capitol police at risk. >> reporter: amy coney barrett, president trump's nominee for the supreme court, spending most of the day watching. >> judge barrett brings impeccable credentials, a judicial temperament, and a faithfulness to the law. >> reporter: waiting. >> health care coverage for millions of americans is at stake with this nomination. >> reporter: and then making her own case for her confirmation. >> the policy decisions and value judgments of government must be made by the political branches elected by and

accountable to the people. the public should not expect courts to do so, and courts should not try. >> reporter: as senators laid out the battle lines for her nomination in the days ahead, all while they grappled with a health crisis in their own chamber, likely caused by barrett's nomination event. >> we should not be holding this hearing when it's plainly unsafe to do so. two members of this committee just now emerging from quarantine after testing positive. >> reporter: two gop senators at the rose garden event tested positive for covid-19, senator mike lee back on the dais less than two weeks later, much of the time without a mask. lee posted a letter from the capitol's attending physician, saying that he had, quote, met the criteria to end covid-19 isolation. >> she was an inspirational model and role model. >> reporter: senator thom tillis, who also tested positive, started the hearing remotely, but plans to return in person later in the week.

>> you can't demand that all of your colleagues be tested before you go to work if there's no reason. >> reporter: senator lindsey graham rejecting democratic calls for each committee member to test negative before the hearings got under way. >> so we're running this hearing safely. it's been set up cdc compliant, and we'll move forward. >> reporter: even as for some, like white house chief of staff mark meadows, who has been by president trump's side throughout his battle with covid, staying masked is a bridge too far. >> let me pull this away. >> yep, pull away. >> and then that way i can take this off to talk. i'm more than ten feet away. well, i'm not going to talk through a mask. >> reporter: phil mattingly, cnn, capitol hill. tomorrow will be day two of the barrett hearing. the news continues. i want to hand it over to chris for