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hello, and welcome to our viewers joining us here in the united states and all around the world. you are watching "cnn newsroom", and i'm rosemary church. >> i went through it, now they say i'm immune, i feel so powerful. >> a defiant president trump returns to the campaign trail with a rally in florida. what he told supporters about his health. plus, under the microscope, amy coney barrett faces her first day of questioning on capitol hill. we will look at what to expect. and just weeks before the presidential election,
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unofficial ballot boxes pop up and cause confusion in california. good to have you with us. so with the u.s. election just three weeks away, president donald trump has burst back on to the campaign trail after being sidelined with a covid-19 infection for 11 days. mr. trump tried to make up for lost time with a large rally in florida. it came just hours after his doctor insisted he was no longer infectious and claimed the president had tested negative on consecutive days. mr. trump told supporters he was feeling fine and once again, claimed, without proof, that he's now immune from covid-19. he went on to criticize coronavirus lock downs and
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encourage supporters to go out. >> the lock downs are doing tremendous damage to these democrat run states where they're locked down, sealed up, suicide rates, drug rates, alcoholism. death by so many different forms. you can't do that, and i want to just congratulation, and everybody in florida, you're open and open for business and doing great. >> and we got to remember, i said it right at the beginning, the cure cannot be worse than the problem itself can. the cure cannot be worse. if you don't feel good about it, if you want to stay, stay. relax, stay. but if you want to get out there, get out. >> in the coming hours, mr. trump is expected to hold another rally in pennsylvania. cnn's kaitlan collins has more on the president's health as he returns to the campaign trail.
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>> it was only hours before this rally that president trump's doctor actually announced that he had tested negative for coronavirus. the first time we had been told that since of course the president's diagnosis. in this memo dr. conley said the president had tested negative for consecutive days. we know that the white house has declined to say when the president last tested negative before his diagnosis, something that conley made no mention of in his memo. this memo came out hours before the president took the stage in florida. at times, he sounded hoarse, but at others, he talked about his diagnosis request coronavirus, said that he felt powerful and talked about what his recovery has been like and of course as he's been doing now, claimed that he is immune. >> one thing with me, the nice part, i went through it, now they say i'm immune, i feel so
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powerful. i'll walk in there, i'll kiss everyone in that audience. i'll kiss the guys and the beautiful women and everybody, i'll just give you a big fat kiss. >> of course we know science says the determination on immunity is how long it lasts is still very much out, despite the way the president is spinning his own health. though he tried to talk about coronavirus as if it was in his past, we know it's at the top of mind for voters and even appeared to be so for some of the president's own advisers including his chief of staff who does not typically wear a mask but was seen wearing a mask on this trip yesterday, only hours after he refused to take questions from reporters on capitol hill because they asked him to keep his mask on. kaitlan collins, cnn, the white house. and president trump's decision to resume his campaign schedule comes despite warnings from the nation's top expert on infectious diseases.
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dr. anthony fauci stressed that large gatherings, especially political rallies can often lead to more infections. >> we know that that is asking for trouble when you do that. we have seen that when you have situations of congregant settings where there are a lot of people without masks. the data speaks for itself. it happens. >> joining me now is reed wilson, he is a national correspondent for the hill. thank you so much for being with us. >> thanks for having me. >> so about three weeks away from the election, and just about 10 days or so after testing positive for covid-19, president trump was out on the campaign trail, holding a rally for sanford, florida. it's a message of course as business as usual trying to put this virus behind him. is that going to work given 60% of voters disapprove of the way he's handling this pandemic? >> i don't think that the virus is ever going to be out of
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voters' minds. it has been front and center in everything we have done for nine months as a community, as a nation. it's not simply going to go away because a president wants to will it away. as a matter of fact, infections are rising once again, hospitalizations are rising in many states around the country and we're heading into a fall and winter that could be dismal. we're going to be stuck back inside, and these those are exactly the conditions under which this virus spread. it's going to be troubling and president trump is taking a clear risk every time he hosts one of these forums or big rallies that one of the rallies themselves might become a super spreader event, which would be a disastrous outcome for his campaign, as it was when his introduction of a new supreme court nominee became a super spreader event a few weeks ago. >> new polls from sienna college likely voters in michigan, biding at 48%, trump at 40%, and
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in wisconsin, biden is at 51% to trump's 41%. what do those numbers tell you? >> well, there are two things that should be troubling for president trump in those two numbers and a lot of surveys we have seen lately. first of all, he's trailing in some of the blue wall states that he won back in 2016. michigan and wisconsin were the critical pillars to his taking the white house in such a large margin as he did. the other thing that should be troubling to his campaign is the numbers you read off are so low. it's not as if he's neck in neck with joe biden in the high 40s. only 40 or 41% of people in the critical swing states say they are going to back him. voters have tuned in. millions of voters have cast their ballots. if his numbers aren't 45, 46, 47, he's got zero shot at winning the swings states. he needs to improve dramatically, and the clock is
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ticking and running out fast. >> as you point out, reputable polls show the president trailing his democratic rival nationally, and in some battle ground states. democrats fear a repeat of 2016 because of course it's the electoral college that decides the winner. do you see any path to victory for donald trump. he thinks the polls look very good for him. >> it's funny you mentioned democrats, they have this collective feeling of what biden's pollster calls ptsd about the polls being so wrong from 2016. i'd argue that the polls weren't that far off. the big difference between 2016 and today is hillary clinton was leading donald trump but she was in the mid 40s and he was in the low 40s. today, joe biden is at or above 50% in a lot of these key swing sta states. >> many thanks to reed wilson speaking to me a little earlier. johnson & johnson is now the
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second drug maker to pause human trials for the coronavirus vaccine after a volunteer fell ill. 60,000 volunteers are taking part in the human trials and experts say complications are not unexpected. last month, a volunteer from the astrazeneca's vaccine developed neuroradiology call issues, that trial remains on hold in the united states. well, in the coming hours, a republican led senate panel is set to resume hearings for president trump's supreme court nominee. and it could be a tough day for amy coney barrett who will face questions from senators for the first time. it comes after a tense first day of hearings as democrats focused on how her appointment could threaten health care for millions of americans. and here's how president trump reask reacted to that. >> as america saw earlier today in amy's opening statement in the senate, judge barrett, a
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brilliant scholar who will defend our laws, our rights, our freedom and our constitution like very few people would have the capability of doing. the radical left is hell bent on destroying everything we love and cherish. >> cnn's jessica snyder has more now on how the first day unfolded. >> the tlofloor is yours, judge >> amy coney barrett spelling out her judicial philosophy. >> courts are not designed to solve every problem or right every wrong in our public life. the public should not expect courts to do so and courts should not try. >> reporter: the 48-year-old was a clerk for late conservative justice antonin scalia. >> it was the content of justice scalia's reasoning that shaped me. his judicial philosophy was
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straightforward, a judge must apply the law as it is written, not as she wishes it were. >> democrats immediately aired their disdain that republicans are racing to fill justice begi ginsberg's seat before the election. >> senate republicans have made it crystal clear that rushing a supreme court nomination is more important than helping and supporting the american people who are suffering from a deadly pandemic and a devastating economic crisis. >> reporter: vice presidential candidate kamala harris skipped the in-person hearing to go virtual and slammed the committee for moving forward without mandatory testing. >> this committee has ignored common sense requests to keep people safe, including not requiring testing for all members, despite a coronavirus outbreak among senators of this very committee. >> reporter: while harris stay instead her office, republican senator mike lee was there in person without a mask, despite having tested positive shortly after the white house event
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announcing barrett's nomination a few weeks. lee released a letter clearing him to attend in person. while six of barrett's seven children, democrats warned americans their access to health care was at stake. when the supreme court hears arguments on november 10th. >> the president has promised to vote justices who will vote to dismantle that law. >> reporter: republica >> reporter: -- >> when you tell somebody they're too catholic to be on the bench, when they're going to be a catholic judge, not an american judge, that's bigotry, the pattern and practice of bigotry from members of this committee must stop. >> reporter: barrett noting she would be the only justice without an ivy league degree. >> i would be the first mother of school aged children sitting
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on the court, and the only sitting justice who didn't attend school at harvard or yale. >> reporter: it could get fiery on tuesday and wednesday when all members will ask their questions. democrats will stay laser focused on health care, and we know it was on the president's mind on monday. he tweeted twice before noon saying that republicans have a better plan at a lower cost but we have yet to see any concrete plans from the president. jessi jessi jessica schneider, cnn, washington. on monday in ohio, joe biden told supporters that barrett could cast the decisive vote to strike down the affordable care act. >> what's going on now is this outright effort to do away with health care. that's what it's all about right now. health care. they're going to go into court in 28 days, in the supreme court
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and going to try to get rid of the affordable care act. that's 100 million people's preexisting conditions are going to be wiped out. they're not going to be able to get insurance, and 20 million people are going to lose their insurance right away. >> joining me is harry litman, a former u.s. attorney and deputy assistant attorney general. good to have you with us. >> thanks, rosemary, good to be here. >> what stood out to you on the first day of hearings for judge amy coney barrett's nomination to the supreme court? >> i was actually struck by the democrats' discipline. they're often an unruly lot, and each person wants to be sure to get his or her points in. all of them had obviously caucused and determined to make a unified presentation about the consequences were the aca, obama
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care to be struck down. >> in a few hours from now, the second day of hearings gets underway with questions from senators. what do they need to ask the judge about her position on the affordable care act, roe v. wade and any possible effort by the president to contest election results and in the end, how much is she likely to reveal to them anyway? >> the last question is the easiest. nothing or next to nothing particularly since it really is something of a charade. everyone's vote is already committed. it's a razor thin margin for the republicans but they will preserve it and she is going to be confirmed. in that sense, they're really not talking to each other or about the nomination but rather to the american people. >> right, and republicans talked on that first day about democrats attacking barrett for being catholic, and for her stand on that very issue, when
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in fact, they didn't mention it at all monday, instead stayed focused on health care. how important is it that they stick with that strategy. you touched on that, but that they stick with that strategy, particularly in the middle of a pandemic, and given this confirmation is clearly going forward no matter what. >> that's right. and it's obviously quite important. they have thought it through. they're in a position to know how important it is and as i said at the top, it's striking that they stayed together on it. so they've obviously decided that this is the horse they're going to ride for the next few days. and they've tried their hardest to put a human face on it today. starting tomorrow, the republicans will put a human face on their nominee, that is amy coney barrett, who is a very appealing candidate in human terms in a lot of ways.
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she has seven children, two are adopted from haiti. one has down syndrome. she has the attestations of anyone she has worked with at notre dame on either side of the aisle. i think she is going to be likable. >> right sdpr. and the democrats highlighted the hypocrisy of republicans pushing for this nomination three weeks before an election when they wouldn't do the same nine months before the last presidential election, but the more powerful political argument seems to come from joe biden pointing out that senators should be approving a stimulus package for americans who are hurting right now in the midst of this pandemic. is that argument gaining any traction or do you see it will gain some traction? >> i mean, we'll see. it won't gain it in the sense that it won't displace the nomination, but it's really true. i think the republicans have even concluded that the president may well go down, but we still want in going down with
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the ship to be confirming judge barrett. >> harry litman, many thanks for your analysis. appreciate it. >> thanks, rosemary. and still ahead here on cnn newsroom, fears of vote tampering in california after unofficial ballot boxes are discovered. what the state is doing to address the prop, nextment inicay proven ingredients that fuel 5 indicators of brain performance. . and see the difference. a blast of immune support that's more than just vitamin c.
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in california, election officials have ordered republicans to stop using unofficial drop boxes to collect voter ballots. it comes after several unauthorized boxes were found in at least three counties including one at a church. republican leaders say they're not doing anything wrong and claim they're giving people a chance to drop off ballots with s someone they know and trust. officials say they are a disservice to election administrators who have spent months setting up official drop boxes like the ones you see here. and cnn's pamela brown has more
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on the challenges taking place in early voting across the united states. roughly 8 million americans have already cast their ballots, some standing in line for hours. >> i thought maybe one hour at most. i would never have even came out to be honest if i knew it would be five hours. >> while others are putting them in drop boxes like these, but the seemingly simple process has turned quite complicated throughout the country. >> it's insane, i can't imagine in what world you thought this would be acceptable. >> this california woman alerted local officials after finding an unofficial ballot drop box at a nearby church. in a facebook post, the church's pastor told followers the church had a drop box but it wasn't a legal one. >> it was up for four days before i saw it, before it started to gain traction, so i'm really worried that someone put
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their ballot in there. >> in a sermon at the church, the pastor denied tampering with ballots. >> obviously we have a situation with the ballot box, and folks are saying things that we're tampering with it and things of that nature. of course we're not tampering with anything. >> reporter: meanwhile, california's secretary of state tells cnn operating unofficial ballot drop boxes, especially those misrepresenting to be official drop boxes is not just misleading to voters, it's a violation of state law. the box has been removed. the facebook post also gone as the los angeles county registrars office investigates. >> it's an attack on democracy. it's not okay. >> while the president urged supporters on a recent prayer call to get out and vote for him. >> the poll booths and i can tell you, we see it now, they're going to be swamped. get out and vote, and make sure your vote counts. >> reporter: in pennsylvania, a trump appoints federal judge rejected an argument by the rnc and trump campaign that drop
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boxes were unconstitutional. while in texas, a federal appeals court ruled in favor of republican governor greg abbott's directive of one location per county for ballot drop boxes after a lower court reversed his decision last week. and in georgia, early voting started at one location with a little hiccup. delays of an hour due to a technical glitch that caused voters cards to be rejected. now in california, the district attorney is investigating these fake drop boxes that popped up in several counties. in fact, in one county, it was the republicans who bought these drop boxes, according to the spokesman, though the spokesman would not say how many and where they were placed, the gop says they have done nothing wrong. pamela brown, cnn, washington. coming up next, president trump is launching a potential super spreader campaign push in the final weeks of the election. we'll get a doctor's reaction to his latest political moves.
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so let's return to the u.s. fight against covid-19. donald trump is back on the campaign trail hosting crowded rallies even as the country's death toll tops 215,000. infections are soaring in more than half the country. and flu season is upon us. top infectious diseases expert, dr. anthony fauci is worried. >> we're entering into the cool months of the fall, and ultimately the cold months of the winter, and that's just a recipe of a real problem if we
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don't get things under control before we get into that seasonal challenge. >> meanwhile, johnson & johnson is now the second drug maker to pause human trials for a coronavirus vaccine in the u.s. after a volunteer fell ill. some 60,000 volunteers are said to be taking part in the human trials, and experts say complications are not unexpected. joining me now is cnn medical analyst, dr. lena wynn. she is an emergency room physician at george washington university. thank you, doctor, for all that you do and talking with us. >> always glad to join you. >> president trump's doctor said monday evening he has tested negative for covid-19 on consecutive days using an antigen test, and yet this is the first we're hearing about a negative test since his infection. what do you make of this, and
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why didn't he take a more reliable pcr test? >> it doesn't make sense that we're relying on the antigen test when that's not what it's for, and when there's a more accurate gold standard test, the pcr test. it leads you to wonder, did they get a result they didn't like via the more accurate test and took the other test in order to try to hoodwink the american people. >> it is a concern, isn't it, and of course, dr., we saw the president hold a rally in sanford, florida, monday night where the covid infection rate is around 10%, and few of his supporters wore masks or socially distanced. how do you think he looked, and what's your medical response to the president holding a rally at this time with more planned this week in three other states? >> i'm glad the president feels well enough to be holding these rallies. he wasn't short of breath. he looks like he's recovering well, which i'm glad about, but i'm very worried about the people attending this rally.
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not because of the president. i don't think there's a high chance that he is going to be infecting them even if he is infectious, but their chance of infecting one another because large rally, these gatherings of many people in closed settings where they are in close contact with one another without wearing masks, that's the last thing that should be happening in the middle of a pandemic, and i sincerely hope that all of these individuals will consider themselves having gone to a high risk event, and will quarantine themselves. >> preliminary data from brown university seems to suggest schools with not the super spreaders of covid-19 as originally thought. we know of many schools dealing with infections, having to send students and teachers home. how do you reconcile the results up against the reality we're facing. >> my understanding from the study is they only looked at the
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self-reported cases by schools for students and staff who were infected, not the secondary infections that resulted. the reason this is important is so many children are asymptomatic or have atypical symptoms, they might have gi symptoms, not your traditional coughing, sneezing, respiratory illness. it often is not in the children but those they're around, family members or removed from there. i think there needs to be more research done to look at correlating, for example, community spread with what is happening with the schools, and until then, i should completely agree we should prioritize schools for in-person learning and try to do everything we can to reduce community spread so that we allow schools to come back for in-person learning but we really need to also safeguard the health of not only the students but the faculty staff, and family too. >> it's all parents, we want our
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kids back at school, but it has to be done safely, right? and doctor, the u.s. is averaging about 50,000 new covid cases a day, and all we really need to do is wear masks. that message is failing to get through to the american public. we see it at these rallies for the president and it's getting through despite the fact that thousands of lives could be saved if everyone wore a mask. how do you get that message across and why is it not being received loud and clear? >> it does take a significant cultural change but we can do this. and part of what has been hampering all along is the mixed message. instead of standing behind our scientists, we have had political elected officials push scientists and science under the bus. we need everyone to be on the same page with this message, and i think for all of us as individuals, we can do our part. we can wear masks ourselves, be a role model for those around us. also in public health, we talk about the trusted messenger.
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you are the trusted messenger to someone. it could be someone in your family, your social circles whom may not believe in masks but you can help to convince them that this is the right thing to do for our country. >> we certainly all have to be role models, don't we, you are our role model. thank you so much for talking with us, we appreciate it. >> thank you very much. and china is in the process of testing an entire city of 9 million people, this after 12 new coronavirus cases were reported over the weekend. authorities in the coastal city of qingdao are taking swift action to find other cases. they have set up a city wide testing program, and have screened more than 3 million people so far. cnn's david culver is in beijing for us. he joins us now live. good to see you, david. of course as we mentioned, the aim is to test 9 million people in a matter of days.
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how are they even able to pull off such a massive operation and what are the results so far. >> hey there, rosemary, good to see you as well. it's a city larger than new york population wise. they are looking to do this over the course of five days. we know as of now, day screened some 3 million people as you mentioned. of that, a million test results have come back, according to the government there, with negative results. all together they're saying about a handful of confirmed cases, asymptomatic ones on top of that. aside from that, it's something we have seen play out before. wuhan, for example, earlier in the summer, they like wise had city wide testing. 12 million residents, here in beijing, they had a good portion of the city undergo mandatory testing and screening, so as to determine whether or not a cluster outbreak was being contained. i think the real concern overall, though, is what numbers we're getting out of qingdao,
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and who was there who was in contact with exposed cases and bringing it back to errother cities. that's the worry because of what we saw last week, the end of golden week, a massive travel holiday where you had millions of people moving about for vacation. as of now, with small numbers, people are a bit more confident. here in beijing, talking to folks who are in education, for example, they're looking at the possibility of maybe shutting down schools. nothing official has come out from that. that's the discussion and planning to react should they need to if this is going to spread a bit farther. as of now, they seem like they have this under control. the question is going to be how much can we rely on those numbers. numbers from china coming from the government have been met with skepticism. it does feel as though they're going to push this as a successful rebound from what was a big travel holiday. all in all, you're talking about
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millions of people who are now undergoing testing, and it's a process that will take just a few days time. they seem to have gotten that under control. it's actually quite impressive in beijing, they had people being bussed into these parking lots that were converted into the large screening centers and it was quite organized and orderly. as of now, no lock downs are even in place in qingdao. >> the swift reaction in china, just a stark contrast to what we see happening in the united states. incredible stuff. david culver, many thanks for that report in beijing. appreciate it. still to come, reports that the british prime minister ignored his own government's advice, what we're learning about which covid restrictions were recommended and when. back with that in just a moment. y supplements- neuriva has clinically proven ingredients that fuel 5 indicators of brain performance. memory, focus, accuracy, learning, and concentration.
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in the u.k., we are learning that prime minister boris
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johnson's government ignored its own scientists about covid-19. the information about a previous warning comes just hours after the prime minister announced a new covid alert system, and stressed that people need to obey restrictions. take a listen. >> this is not how we want to live our lives, but this is the narrow path we have to tread between the social and economic trauma of a full lock down and the massive human and indeed economic cost of an uncontained epidemic. >> meanwhile, cases are spiking across the english channel, too, including in germany. the country had a handle on the first wave but it's just posted its highest infection numbers since april. and our correspondents are tracking developments across europe. nic robertson is live in london, and scott mcclain is standing by in berlin. good to see you both. so nic, let's start with you. what covid restrictions did
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these scientists recommend and when did they do that? >> reporter: well, three weeks ago, this group of scientists known as sage, it's not always the same scientists but it's the country's leading authorities on tackling covid, they meet regularly. they advise the government regularly. and three weeks ago, the minutes of their meeting, they concluded that the country required what they called a circuit breaker, a short national lockdown, the sort of thing we had earlier in the year to get around the rise in coronavirus cases. the government didn't go for that option, we heard the prime minister saying why it's a balance between health against the economy, but it was quite surprising to see that that group of scientists who normally keep their deliberations and advice to the government close hold, secret, if you will, after the prime minister's press conference monday, yesterday, where he announced these new
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three tiers, they decided to release their advice from three weeks ago which does indicate a rift on their position compared to that that the prime minister is taking, and it was quite significant during that press conference yesterday when england's chief medical officer was asked do the current restrictions that the government's putting in place go far enough to bring down the rising level of coronavirus cases. this was his answer. >> i am very confident that the measures that are currently in place are helping to slow the virus, and these measures will help to slow it further. i am not confident and nor is anybody confident that the tier 3 proposals for the highest rates, if we did the absolute base case and nothing more, would be enough to get on top of it. the base will not be sufficient. i think that's very clearly the professional view, but there are quite a lot more additional
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things that could be done within that with local guidance. >> reporter: so additional things he's talking about, details that the prime minister is currently trying to work out with many of the councils and local authorities in the north of the country where the infection rates are at their highest level. it's a balance of bringing the local populations and those councils along with the central govr government and you get this sense there's a rift in the country between science and the politics, and also different parts of the country, the north at the moment, where the infection rates are higher. people generally feel that the south is getting away with less restrictions. it's unbalanced and this is, again, the difficulty of the prime minister's position. >> absolutely. nic robertson, many thanks to you, joining us live from 10 downing street, appreciate it. and scott, let's go to you in berlin, what's behind the spike in infections across
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germany, and what's the government doing about it? >> hey, rosemary, yeah, so this spike in infections is quite concerning for this country, which has done a pretty good job of handling the coronavirus early on, seeing less than one quarter of the deaths that they saw for instance in the u.k. the spike is leading to long lines at testing sites. we'll take you to the front of the line here at one of the sites in berlin. some of the people we spoke to earlier today said that they had waited about, you know, an hour and a half, two hours to get to the front of the line, to get to the tests. a lot of people we spoke to as well said it was one of their colleagues, one of their family members, friends, that warned them they may have been exposed to the virus. that led them to coming here to the windows just getting a test on the street corner, trying to be as efficient as they can in getting people through the line so they can get through as many people as they can. still, there's sort of a limited numbers of tests they can do at
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any given site. this place in particular isn't open in the afternoons, for instance. i should also mention that this is the fall break here in berlin, and so a lot of germans would normally be looking to go on vacation but with international travel looking dicey, many germans looking to go within the country. that's proving quite difficult in some cases, because many german states actually require people from virus hot spots like here in ber lylin where they ar seeing high rates of infection to have a negative test in 48 hours. other states are requiring not only the negative test but a quarantine period up to two weeks when they enter the state and check into a hotel. it's making things difficult and increasing the demand for testing sites like this one. there are members of the military, about 1,400 of them across the country, helping out with the contact tracing efforts. the government says that they have the capacity to do about ten times that, and quickly, the chance that angela merkel is going to be meeting with the premiers of the states tomorrow,
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and she's expected to announce new coronavirus measures then. >> and germany did so well in the beginning. we'll keep an eye on this. scott mcclain joining us in berlin. many thanks. we meet female voters who supported donald trump in 2016, but are changing their minds this time around. >> is there a moment in the last four years when you said i can't do this again? >> the covid pandemic, the way he handled it, that was the absolute last straw for me. >> a full report from the key state of pennsylvania, next.
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president trump heads to pennsylvania for a campaign event in the coming hours. key to his victory there in 2016, white women voters. so what do they think of him now? cnn's kate bolduan traveled there to find out. >> i'm probably a good example of someone who's gone through a lot of change in four years. >> holly geitner, a registered republican is a working parent of two kids living in pittsburgh, pennsylvania. she voted for donald trump in 2016, and she wasn't alone.
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50% of white women in pennsylvania did the same, according to exit polls. >> reporter: what do you feel today about your vote four years ago? >> i can tell you how i felt four years ago. shame. >> reporter: do you regret your vote? >> where we are today, yes, i do. i don't think this is the great again that everyone thought it was going to be. >> reporter: so holly is voting for joe biden. and so is nin bell. what drew you to donald trump, why did you vote for donald trump? >> for his celebrity, 100%. >> reporter: it was the brand, the image? >> absolutely. successful, funny, he was funny. i loved his show, the celebrity apprentice. never missed it. >> reporter: was there a moment when you decided i cannot support him anymore. >> it was almost instantly. >> reporter: it's not just outside the cities where
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suburban women are questioning their support for donald trump in pennsylvania. it's even out here in westmorland county rural pennsylvania, considered trump country. we're about to meet two of them. >> she's older. >> i'm older. >> oh, you're definitely sisters. >> joan smeltzer and julie brady are registered democrats and both voted for trump in 2016. >> i feel like i have been duped. i got it wrong, and it hurts my heart. it truly hurts my heart because the things that i saw, i didn't take seriously enough. >> reporter: throughout the campaign, he was making sexist, misogyni misogynistic remarks and then there was the access hollywood tape. how did you guys process and digest that, being out there and voting for him? >> it was not easy. i look at myself, and i think how could i do that. >> i feel like i did a disservice to women by voting for this guy.
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>> reporter: is there a moment in the last four years when you said i can't do this again? >> the covid pandemic, the way he handled it, that was the absolute last straw for me. he didn't create the virus, but he kind of left us all in the dark guessing what was going on, and that wasn't fair to us. >> reporter: among the women we spoke to, the coronavirus, the president's handling of the pandemic, and the racial unrest following the police killing of george floyd were the overwhelming driving issues. >> george floyd's killing was a pivotal moment for me. when i read that he was begging for his mom, as a mother myself, it just brought me to my knees and to see what's happened since, i feel like he's added fuel to flames of hatred. and that really bothers me. >> reporter: nin bell who registered as a republican in 2016 just to vote for trump in
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the primaries now protests weekly in her town just outside philadelphia. often met by groups she used to consider herself a part of, trump supporters, setting up counter demonstrations. >> but i think trump kind of thrives on that division. i see it in my own town. >> integrity, that's what we're lacking. >> and accountability. being the mom of a 9-year-old that's one thing that i push with my son all the time is, you know, you made a bad decision, it's your fault, you learn if it, you move on. we have a president who nothing that happens is ever his fault, it's always somebody else's fault. >> reporter: there are consequences. >> there are consequences, he's about to find them out. >> and thank you so much for your company. i'm rosemary church. "early start" is up next. you're wapg cnn, have yourselwa yourselves a great day. e fair
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