not the sole responsible person for how the pandemic was hannaled. >> tell that the michelle yeager who's turning 70 this week. she blames trump's lack of action early on for the virus spread and won't vote for him again. she was a registered republican in 2016 when she voted for trump, but she's since switched to independent and is supporting biden. >> had he listened to the cdc and dr. fauci and the leaders who are the science leaders, we might have been able to save many, many lives. but because of him and him being -- having narcissism and being ego driven, he thought it was macho not to wear a mask. >> randi joins me now. i wonder what the voters told you how that compares to voting for senior polls. >> reporter: some voting are tighter than others. national voters 65 and older, biden has 60%.

donald trump has 39% support. but there's also this "new york times" sienna college florida poll, not a national poll, very specific to this state, for 65 and older, biden has 47%, trump has 45%. much closer. we don't where this is going to go. one of those biden supporters told me he has republican friends who he thinks are moving towards biden but are afraid to say so. but the biden supporters like him for the fact he's going to keep the affordable care act intact and keep that for the millions of americans that won't lose health insurance. >> thanks very much. the news continues. the news continues. chris. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com thank you, anderson. i appreciate it. welcome to "cuomo prime time." we are in the last rounds. these last weeks, this is it. you're going to see both campaigns coming with everything they've got. what do we see? biden making sure he doesn't get put in the corner.

his hands are up at all times because he believes he's ahead on points. trump, on the other hand, knows he needs a knockout. he is going for broke. every punch is a hay maker. he's swinging wildly. every line is an insult. every rally is likely to get someone sick. and you will not hear him say to put on masks, even though followers tell us they would do it if he asked. like i said, he's going for broke. but here's trump's problem. here's his problem with the analogy. he's not fighting one opponent. he's fighting two. he's swinging at biden, but he keeps getting hit by the pandemic. america went from first to worst in terms of cases and deaths. and leadership has to be a reason why. florida and now pennsylvania, two places that trump needs, pennsylvania tonight, florida last night, going back to florida. why? they are crucial. he won them. now they're up for grabs, at

best. the pandemic that he is saying is no big deal, that he actually caught and needed to get two experimental treatments in the hospital to beat, is not only not going away, it's in full effect in both of those states. so, his rallies may have thousands cheering in his corner, but there are millions in those states who are feeling the beating from the virus and the failing economy as a consequence. the irony is if trump actually took on the pandemic that is punching him in the face, he might win the election. we would surely be in better shape. instead, he's running away from the opponent. he's pretending it's not even a real fight for us, that coronavirus will just magically leave the ring. he says he's going to give you a big fat kiss, but he's not doing anything to give you the medicine that made him healthy again. why isn't it for everybody? why isn't he all out on production of that?

why doesn't he have the wall mentality about getting us well. he thinks he's past the leadership, but he's not getting us the testing we need at work, at schools, with our kids. it's a mess. we can't get back to business. we can't get our kids on the right track because we can't protect the right people the right way. but instead of throwing everything we got at the virus, he's throwing everything at the one man that you really trust when it comes to the pandemic, fauci. he's actually once again -- he didn't learn his lesson, right? that's trump. double down on dumb. attacking tony fauci again for his prognostications. the president literally told us it would disappear like a miracle, that we'll be down to zero cases in february. you said it affects no one, ignoring the millions of us who have died or lost someone who are been sick. it affects no one?

even your wife got it. the white house is a cluster. you still telling us it's not worth attacking with everything we've got? look at it in terms of the numbers. 68% believe in fauci. let's be honest. that number is low because trump keeps giving them a beating, and so do his em bah sars on state tv. the president's credibility has been half that in the polls. what he should do is carry a picture of fauci with him, show it to everybody because saying you're with fauci is a way better way to get votes than the flailing at everyone that you're doing. think of this. think about it. this is the only time i can ever think of when the channelllenge an election, biden, right, is running in support of the policies that the president's own task force is proposing, and the president is running against his own people's recommendations. think about how crazy that is.

lucky for us fauci says let him say what he wants, i'm in the for the long haul. >> i'm not going to walk away from this outbreak no matter who's the president. >> good. false promises of magical pandemics, magical rebounds, pretending you can trust him when more people have been forced out or indicted, calling himself in the greatest in the ring when he can't float or fly. he can just lie and deny. we are on the ropes in this fight thanks to pure trumpery. no, i'm not making fun of the president's name. that's his game. trumpery is a real word from long before trump. it means worth less nonsense, as in all flash, no cash. all show no go. it derives from old english, trumpery, deceit.

french. this president's name could not be a better fit. he and his people like to play with mob references, especially when it comes to me. there's one that applies to him and his desperate last round of antics whchlt he says he wants to go out into that crowd and give everyone the kiss. remember the god father? he's giving you the kiss all right. it's the kiss of all kisses, the kiss of death. you want to kiss people right after catching covid while not wearing masks in closed quarters and it's making us sick. it's killing us. his reaction? i want to kiss every one of you while i dance the night away. look at him. "ymca." is that dancing or the long term symptoms of covid i haven't seen? 200,000 dead and he's doing a happy dance, masquerading as if

you don't need a mask. not once has he done a moment of silence for those who have been lost at any of his rallies. soon enough he's going to be done doing the talking. the fight is going to end and soon. and he will listen to your decision because ultimately you are the judge. so, the question for us tonight as we begin is what does the present tell us about where we're heading between now and this election. we have dr. leana wen and david gregory. doctor, the idea he's going to places like florida and pennsylvania and saying they're turning the corner, not true. >> not true at all because we are seeing surges all across the country. this is exactly not where we wanted to be heading into the colder months. and i look at all these rallies, any of these events could be the next superspreader event. and it's not even what's happened so much at the event. we all know it's not good for all these people to be gathering

together, not wearing masks, flouting restrictions. it's also what happens around the event too. because these same individuals attending the events are probably also not following public health guidance. they're probably also going to indoor bars. and then when they get home, they're probably not going to get quarantined and test thepss. and i just really worry about this because you could make a decision for yourself, but i don't think you should get to commit others to a sacrifice that they did not make. what about hospitals and health care systems and public health infrastructure? that's going to get overwhelmed and other people are not going to get the medical care they need. >> hospitalizations are on the rise. that's always the most important indicator. quick follow. many people have optimism because he's giving it to them. look at me. i beat it. i afeel amazing. i'm immune. that's okay. he doesn't tell the truth. he's also not telling the truth about people not being able to get access to the drugs he got that apparently made him better. is there any reason to believe that any time soon anyone who

gets sick is going to get either the experimental treatments he had? >> look, regeneron, the company that manufactured the antibody cocktail he got is not even authorized for use by the fda. we are a long way off from people getting the same kind of treatment that the president got. and by the way, we still have to do the scientific research. an an ec deecdote of one is not science. it's not research. >> david, good to see you brother. thank you for joining us on "prime time" tonight. >> good to see you. >> idea of him going for broke and the idea of i can beat the pandemic, i can keep people off of me for blaming me for how it is. why did he take that as his strategy when saying i'm going to take it on 110% would have been the more likely strategy? >> well, you alluded to this in your fight metaphor. he just fights. that's his one reaction.

it's not a thoughtful reaction. it's just instinct for him. it's fight whoever or whatever is coming at him. but he didn't fight the pandemic and the virus with anything he had. now he's fighting the yoidea of it. and i think he's going for something else. and i frankly think it's more desperate even though there is a real argument there. he's basically saying biden and other of his opponents are -- want to overreact. they want to overreact to the virus. they want to shut the economy down today. we heard pence say that on the stump today, that joe biden would shut down the economy again and donald trump is opening things back up. it's the same message he makes about you've got to find some way to live with the virus, that it can't overwhelm you, it can't defeat you. he gets in his own way, but there's still an argument to be made that i think a lot of americans agree with. >> that's a good argument by the way. >> you've got to find a by to live with this and toll approximate the rules. >> yeah. here's the problem. i agree with you, david. here's the next step i want you

to take on it. i agree with you. i know there are a lot of people who when they hear shutdown -- i'll get to you dr. wen. i know you see it through a different lens. i know to hear biden say yeah, i'm open to it, it frightens them. but it has to go hand in hand with the government keeping it from happening. that's the president's problem is that where is his strategy to keep it from happening? >> i don't think he has one. and i think that's the problem. we spend a lot of time talking about things trump could be doing. even mike pence in the debate could defend what the administration did to combat the virus a lot better than trump. he knows it better and he can get out of his own way. trump only wants to fight, personally yofr coming it, how strong he feels, saying things that don't make sense and not using the bully pulpit to get people to change their behavior and to simply follow the rules.

but again, but i do think there's a lot of people who still have their kids at home who don't see their schools trying to figure out how to get to yes, how to get reopening. you had tony fauci on last week. it's very confusing. i follow this every day. the data are confusing about where cases are going up, where they're going down. i know the daily cases are too high, over 40,000. but there are parts of the country that are handling this virus much better than other parts. and i know the fear of our health care professionals and specialists is that if we don't to have people letting our guard down, then you're in for real trouble. >> right. >> but i think he's trying to exploit the idea saying we're doing the best we can, it's getting better and the other guys are going to shut everything down and that gets some people afraid. >> see the problem is the roles are reversed, dr. wen.

biden should be making the case trump is making which is this is so bad, he's going to mess everything up. instead you have trump saying everything is fine. biden is a panicer. he's the one in charge. he's the one who has to own the reality. he's trying to make biden own the reality and eventuality. what that gets us to is strategy. you and i talked the other night with somebody coming at the data from a different direction, which is this mode of selective protection. some people need more protection than others. certain areas are dealing with it better than others because of their population and how they're doing it. we don't have any central plan. so, how do we replicate what's working in some places in the places where it isn't working with no central plan? >> that's a really good question, chris. this is what happens when all along we know that we have not had a national strategy. there have been pieces of a national strategy, as in there's actually a good plan around vaccines. so, let's give the trump

administration credit for operation warp speed, although there have been problems around politicizing that process. there have been some good work around therapeutics. i will say getting 150 million tests out, that sounds like a lot. but that's a press release. that's not a national strategy. and now we're seeing what happens when basically we're playing whack-a-mole across the country. we're seeing one part of the country do well but then another part of the country becomes a problem. that does okay and another part becomes a problem. i do think having a national plan makes sense. but the principles upon which the national strategy is based, we know what to do at this point. we need to stop talking about public health as somehow the enemy of the economy or the enemy of school reopening. if we can just say something like wearing a mask is what will allow us to keep our businesses open, or let's focus on restricting small gatherings. that's what will allow our students to get back in school

if we don't also have play dates and birthday parties at the same time. we can take sensible steps that do allow us, to david's point, to getting life back to normal as much as we can and continue to socialize, not be isolated, reduce the burden on the mental health system and try to get back to normal. but with few of these public health strategies that we know are effective. >> david, last word to you. >> well, i just -- i agree with so much. i do think, you know, part of the problems with trump not taking this seriously and being in denial and then being political, it was your point. he should be holding tony fauci so tight so that they're shoulder to shoulder. then the american people can say, i may have my problems with trump, but they've been should tore shoulder in fighting this virus. that has not been the case. the president has denied. he's lied, and he's been inconsistent and hasn't even followed his own advice. the strategy and the key for

biden at this point is to recognize how hard it's going to be if he becomes president and that he's got to really paint a picture of how he leads and how it would be different under his leadership because the reality is that the reaction to trump is also strong and you see it with schools. there's a lot of schools who are in communities like washington, d.c. that's doing a good job and people are following the rules and they are still so risk averse to opening schools in large partly because their teachers don't want to do it. and a lot of that is reaction to some of the politics. if trump says reopen, we should stay closed. there's all this that's coursing through the response to the virus that is a reflection of how it's been politicized and it's really unfortunate. >> three weeks and the pandemic will tell the story. we've been doing this a long time. i'm older than david. but i look up to him as a journalist because we have never seen a president whose fate hinges on a situation that he is refusing to confront. and this is the first time we've

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so they can get the court to give them whate1 they want. and in this case, with amy barrett, the president has said i'm going to appoint some ñ going to overturn roe v. wade and who will strike down the affordable care act. so, st$(p' sit there and say all she wants to tell them to follow the law. but we know why the republicans are rushing her through. a whole slew of other kinds of cases that could protectlp our civil rights andt( environment d you name it. does her faith issue for you more than you've seen with other judges? and if so, why? >> no, her faith isw3 irrelevan. it's her positions on these

issues thatq matter. her position is one thatlp certainly the president thinks they've got a person who's going to strike down the aca, which as he's before the supreme court right now to do. >> senator, thank you. stay with me. pete buttigieg. it's good to see yousá i'm sorry. i'm going to bring him on. senator, i'mlpe1 confused becau i've got two different lines going on. i'll give them both to you and you'll help me suss it out. this is what i don't understand mazie, in terms of what the goal is. so, you're questioning her. she does have the affiliation and thefá religious organizatio which i think makes her different than most okcatholics. i think her faith is by dezane forjf central to her valuee1 sy and thoughts than it would be than an ordinary catholic. let's put that to the side. what can you do aboutxd any of this except expanding the size of the supreme court?

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more partisan ine1 your directi? >> well, i don't callw3 wantingo provide people with individual rights, expanding equal protections. i don't call that partisan. i call that what the constitution requires and what x(q doing. but that is not where thei] republicans are, by the way. and in fact the decision that you just mentioned that will shorten the census, that is a case and point. they have? okayed gerrymanderi. they are okaying a lot of things that make it harder for people to vote. so, that's notq where we are. i expect ourxdxdfá nominees, co nominees, to not have written all kinds of things about how they don't want the affordable care act or they're against lgbtq rights or any number of things that theñr trump nominee have weighed in t(on. and that isç why they are bein nominated. so,c he's ended up 1/4 of the entire federal judiciary, for

decades. >> senator mcconnell said in a debate the other night whenq hi opponent was saying, hey look, they want barrett down there so they can get rid of e1aca and t( aca is good for kentucky and needs to be fixedñrñi not eradicated. he said nobody thinks barrett being on the court will be the end of the t(aca. really? you think it. don't most democrats think it? >> the president thinks it. >> that's right. the /zsident thinks it. >> the republicans know it too. they just don't want tofá admit and they're hiding it from the people, their own people that they're about to rushçó this person on to the court so she can be there november 10th to hear the aca's casefá which was brought bye1 12i] republican attorneys general. and the president is right in there. so, yes they want somebody who will turn back the aca.

they've been wanting toe1ñi do years. they voted 70 times in congress to gete1 rid of the aca. so, to say oh no we're notçó dog that, just please, what? ot of that going around these days. senator mazie hirono, really thank you after such a long@qjy making the time to be withxd usn "primetime." it's a benefitt( t'1 the audien and me. be well. >> thank you, you too. while republicans race to confirm a justice, and we know why. the tradition is if you weren't in to hear the case, you don't judge it. so, she's got to get in there to hear the arguments. do you know what's happening? millions of you are voting. waiting in insanexd lines in georgia for hours, like 11. loads of glitches. this is just like what happened in the troubled primary there. why ise1çó it happening again? how is it not going toe1 impact

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>> well, it's not that it's not the case. it's that the kurt state created a new problem. so, where what he has decided to orchestrate is not having adequate number of machines. we have a bottleneck at the beg beginning of the process. today, he said that he is going top reach out ott state vendor to make sure that we have enough band width, there was an alarm raised about it that we need a back up of paper poll books and he sued to stop it from happening. so, not only has brad created new problems. he has refused to solve old problems. we have told him many times that they need to look at the

resourcing of areas and look at the likely of turn on ouut. we have had more people returning absentee ballots in 2020 than in the entire 2016 election. so, his failure to skpland fail to resource, is forcing georgians to fight for vote. we are proud of their work and the work of folks like coach lloyd pierce who had the state farm arena as a site where people could go and vote, our singly he will largest county. we are proud of those that stepped up to fill the gap that was left by the secretary of state. >> the state matters any way you look at it and part of the job is staying on stories and not touching and never coming back. i promise you have a platform of telling us what happens in this final round of the fight as

issues come up, and you understand it, you have a platform here to discuss it, okay. >> thank you, sir, i appreciate it. >> stacy abrams good, to see you, and good health to you and your family. this is whether or not the democrats will get it done. we talk about trump all the time. you know what his game is, what his play is, what the numbers are. what does pete puttigieg see about it happening in country. the mayor has been paying a lot of attention to how her faith is applied in ways that you may not know. next how about no no uh uh, no way

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they talked health care, abortion and same-sex marriage, you know what they got? nothing. because you never get anything out of the nominees, if they do say too much, that's the only thing that can get them nixed. amy coney barrett played the game. she insisted to talk about specific questions. like the up coming challenge of the aca, do you believe that? do you think they would pick her if they didn't know how they thought she'd rule on the case. ? she has said that it's not good law, does that matter? how can it not? and we have the author of "trust, america's best chance," pete buttigieg, it doesn't matter about faith, it matters about position. fine, you are a christian, i'm a

christian. she belonged to an organization called people of praise. it's a devout organization. the people who sign up, especially the women sign on to covenants that make a husband the ruling of the family. it's a fundamentalist approach to her faith. the that matter? >> i'm sure it's an important part of her life, but i'm not interested in her faith or her life or her family accept in as much as it could affect all of us, it's her judicial philosophy that i'm worried about. you know, as a human being, i wish her well. it's what she is going to do to all of us that i'm -- >> whoa. that's not good. all right, let's see if we can

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all right, we are back now with mayor pete buttigieg, thanks, mr. mayor, sorry about that. i get it, it's not about her faith, it's about the reasoning she will apply to the law. you can argue that there's a coninflation here. her faith does shape how she sees certain things that are a function of the law. i don't know how it can't given what she has signed on to with this organization. it looks like she is going to get through, what are your concerns? >> well, my main concern is that they seem to be wanting to put marriage equality back on the table. this was a move that america made, a move forward that we made five years ago. in the belief that there was go going back. and yet, we saw two justices on the conservative majority that's already seated on the court, just last week, writing in ways that made it sound that they are ready to go back on it.

imagine if it does not affect you, and you are watching at home, imagine how you would feel watching this committee proceeding if you knew that your marriage only existed by one vote margin on the court. and of course, you don't have to use your imagination to think about how this affects you regardless of whether you are lgbtq, because all of us are, either ourselves or someone we know or love has a pre-existing condition. something that will come before the court in days and part of the idea is to take away the affordable care act. they were going to do it in impress, and john mccain with the famous thups down stopped them. and now they are trying to do it. the same people who are against judicial activism, have made it clear that the supreme court will be their rear guard action to take away health care. it's a life and death issue for

us. the president said he would never nominate anybody unless he was sure they were going to take away the aca, and i'm sure he is trying keep it. >> that's what mcconnell has done brilliantly. he stopped obama not just with scotus, but with federal appointments by the scores he stopped them and now he is packing them with very much the same kind of people. white, male, conservatives. even though they don't represent a majority of the country. that's court account paing. why are democrats treating it like it's the third rail. nobody wants to answer the question of whether or not they consider expanding the supreme court, why not, why not answer the question? >> because we know that the republicans would love to talk about literallily anything other than their effort to destroy american health care protections. they would love for us to talk about this. as you know, chris, it's a subject that i think is

interesting in terms of bipartisan court reforms. but we know that the republicans with do anything to get us talking about literally any issue. i think that's why we saw the president tonight. going back to his kind of doubling down on the crazy uncle strategy in terms of trying to make some news with the stream of consciousness and the insults. they don't want to talk about how this court appointment could affect all of the health care. not as a structural issue on the court, which is stuff that i find interesting. but something that can happen to us in our lives beginning in a matter of days. and of course, the other thing that they don't want to talk about is what is going on with the failed response to the pandem pandemic, and so, we are making sure with the level of discipline in the message that we have for the american people in the next few weeks to focus on the things that are most immediately at stake. >> pete, do you believe that the president -- the vice president should debate again? the former vp, biden should

debate again or no? >> i think it was unfortunate when donald trump pulled out of the proposed next debate. it would have been great to see the town hall format. i think the president pulled out because he doesn't want to do have that conversation, and especially in a format that he cannot shout over everyone and distract us again. so, yeah, i would have loved to see that. but we know that of course millions americans are making the decision right now, and the most important thing on my mind is, how do we reach those who are still thinking about, whether to vote, even now and had how do we reach those who are thinking of how to vote even now. because that's a lot of people and it can make a huge difference. yeah, the poles good look, let's learn the lessons of past on elections and not take anything for granted. we have to turn out every vote. especially with the efforts like stacy abrams was just describing to get in the way or have longer lines or make it harder.

>> and pete, your book, goes to the heart of this. which is, look, what -- the biden has his best advantage going in to the race is, he is the not seen as the kind of liar that trump is. and look, you know what a preciouses commodity it is for you. you are writing about it. you see it as a fundamental building block. when i was looking through the book. here's my problem, isn't it gone? you know, how do we bank on something that seems to be gone. tell us about the book. >> that's why i wrote the book. the big issues we face are issues that we cannot solve without cooperation. whether we are talking about the pan t pandemic or preserving our democracy. we need cooperation, and cooperation depends on trust. there's less trust in institutions. and americans are less trusting than a generation or two ago. and the world the less trusting

in america itself right now. the question you raise, that is why i wanted to write the book. and why i wanted it to come out before the election. so you we could deal with the problem, and i described the sources that led to it. the lies that the president tells andforeign efforts to sew and build mistrust. and how social media is used. i'm looking for patterns on how trust can be built in a hurry. when i was deployed in the military i learned to trust my life to people i barely knew. and that was because of a lot of factors, including the fact that we were brought together to on do something the difficult and we had to trust each other in order to get through it. that's where we are right now as a country. and i actually think as terrible as they are, the pandemic we are living through and the climate crisis that's approaching are opportunities if we think of them in the right way. for us to build credibility and

trust here at home, if we we step up and deal with them. >> the book is "trust, america's best chance," the author, mayor pete buttigieg thank you for being with us. >> thank you. >> it's hard to see silver linings and how we come together. it's hard to see how the pandemic doesn't just stay here and keep making everything bad, all right. that's where our next guest comes in. you didn't see him on a long board guzzling juice, but he ain't drinking the kool-aid of dispair either. he written why we should all have a dose of optimism even as the pandemic rages on and what role we have as americans can have as shaping the better future. veteran science and health reporter, donald mcneill, jr. thank you for coming. >> thank you for inviting me. >> convince me, it's all so

grip, itgri grim, it's binary, it's not about progress anymore, about keeping the other guy down. how do we get better? why not dispair? >> i, i'm going to stay away from the political aspects of it. i think part of the reason that the times is shocked i'm an optimist, is because i have been covering the pandemic from the beginning. hey, it's going to be a pan democr -- i'm a pessimist about fall and winter and i fear that many more people will die if we don't do better. we have learned to do better. even seeing the scare had in the white house has been a lesson to a lot of people that making a mask, wearing a mask may make more sense, what happened in the white house doesn't happen in your house. and beyond that, as soon as late december or early january, i

expect that monoclonal antibodies will be deployed at some point and i expect that we will have two or three vaccines begin to roll out. and then, we have, you know, six different vaccines in the works. and there may be as many as 800,000 doses by the middle of next year which means that not only would all americans be able to get them, but there would be some for the rest of the world getting them. and that, that will be it. one hopes. one hopes, that nothing goes wrong. >> i got 40 seconds left, it's all yours. what do you want people to think about when they think about why we will make it through this pandem pandemic? >> there's no question we were going to make it through the pandemic. the question is how many people were going to die along the way. and you know, if you look back at the model that the white house used had in the beginning suggested that the pandemic would be over by now and 2.2 americans would be dead.