>> reporter: miguel marquez, cnn, michigan. >> thank you so much all of you for joining us. you can watch it any time anywhere, you can go to cnn.com/go. "360" starts right now. >> good evening, this is a busy night except busy does not begin to cover it. we see the president tweeting that twitter shutdown the entire service. we learned from two sources that authorities are investigating for potential ties to russia of information of campaign. we learned larry hogan casts his ballot for ronald reagan.

we watch another republican of the president chris christie singles out what he called the white house's cavalier attitude words kcoronavirus. the president's chief of staff john kelly told friends that donald trump is the most flawed person he ever met. here is the rest of what general kelly said "the depth of his distdi dishonesty is astounding to me. he's the most flawed person i ever met in my life." >> that's part of the picture and more than 8 million americans contracted the coronavirus and the death toll is approaching 220,000.

today in florida here is what the president said. >> my message to seniors is optimism and hope, your sacrifices are not in vein. the light at the oendend of the tunnel is near. we are rounding the terms. i say all the time we are rounding that turn and we are prevailing. it is amazing what's happening here. you look at what's going on. it has been really amazing. >> stunning would be a better word. florida is averaging 2800 new cases a day, from 2400 from a week ago. north carolina setting a new record today. wisconsin they now have a positive rate of more than 26%. potentially one in four people

in the rally could be carrying the virus. this is what the president calls really amazing. his surgeon general today calls it something else. >> i want you to be aware that wisconsin is currently one of our red states, meaning your positivity rate are over 10% and going in the wrong direction. it is critical we understand where this virus is circulating so we can get cases under control and reverse positivity. >> this afternoon the president says and i am quoting now. "we are going to crush the virus and go back to where we were." he could not write about the second part not the way he meant it. america in position not he had seen before not since before this spanish flu pandemic.

this morning we mentioned chris christie went on "good morning america" calls on the president to do more. >> we need to be honest to the american people. we don't know everything we need to know about this disease at this point, george. we do know is that masks can certainly help. do they prevent everything? of course nothing is preventative. the media should be saying to people, put your mask on and be safe until we get a vaccine to help to protect us. >> governor christie came down with covid, he attended the super spreader event with amy coney barrett and he prepped the president for his debate in cleveland. he says no one from the white house did any contact tracing with him and said he regrets not wearing a mask when he was

there. >> it was a mistake, i was led to believe that all the people i interacted with had been tested. it gave me a false sense of security and it was a mistake. >> rudy giuliani did not contract coronavirus. thankfully. federal authorities are investigating their e-mails of his business dealings of biden's son and ukraine in china. the post says it got them to two of trump's confidante. our next guest is carri

carrie giuliani. caroline giuliani joins me now. what made you want to speak out? it is not an easy thing to do. >> first of all, thank you for having me. i respect your work and it is an honor to be here. i just speak out now while this has actually been blowing up for a long time, and i think our country has been in crisis for four years -- if not more. i want to make sure that i diplomat get to novemb didn't get to november 3rd and not saying more. >> you are working hard to make a name for yourself and your film maker and to live a life on

your own terms to then enter into this arena pointing out that you are the child of somebody well-known is the bravest thing to do given how you live your life. >> yeah, thank you. that was definitely a difficult part of the decision because i didn't particularly want to identify myself that way but i felt that because my experience growing up politics, i am feeling overwhelmed and the difficult nature of them. i was seeing around me that everybody else is feeling what i have been feeling my whole life. i just want to make sure that people did not turn around and climb in a hole that they instead dive into it and vote. that's the only way to change this. >> and the piece you write, i may not be able to change my father's mind but together we can vote this toxic

administration out of office. have you talked to your dad since this was public and did he know you are going to do this? >> i mentioned a couple of weeks that i was thinking about writing a little something. i have not spoken to him since it was published. if it were me, i would be proud. >> for any families, all families have differences of opinions and political differences. this is may be on a different scale, how do you normally deal with it? is it something you choose not to talk about politics? here is your dad after all or do you talk about at times you feel like you have no other choice but to address the issue? >> i think those things boil up and at a certain point, i could not repress them but it was give or take. now we come to a point of crisis that i had no choice but to say

something. this toxic environment of bullying needs to be turned around. i think joe biden and kamala harris can do that. i absolutely love kamala harris. >> joe biden was not your first choice? >> not initially. i was keeping my options opened and seeing what people had to say and i was a huge fan of kamala harris and when joe biden picked carkamala harris, i got excited. he is willing to have people challenging around him which breaks the record of yes man whi which is as huge problem now.

when you see "the washington post" report, the white house was warned that your dad was quote "being used to feed information to the russians" what goes through your mind? i can't imagine. >> i choose to focus on what we can do to is focus on this problem. i think that's where we all need to focus our energy. i think that's making sure everyone votes and choose this to elect someone who has empathy and will start to turn this country around. >> are you campaigning for biden or is this kind of it? >> i am opened to continuing to speak out for him and i am going to go on a couple of podcast but

yeah i am on team biden and happy to help. >> so many people focus on the president and his lies and the choices he makes but you talk about the yes man and woman, the people around that enables this and make it possible. >> as a film maker i think a lot about what causes people to do what they do so i spent my whole life kind of examining behind fame and power. i find it interesting and come peming a i find it interesting and come peming a compelling. >> this may be - what do you think led your dad down this path. there is a lot of people say he

was different than the person they knew him many years ago. >> i don't know if i can speak to that. what i do feel is that trump has created an environment and i think that a lot of people's behavior is symptomatic of this toxic behavior that he created and it has gotten worse every year since he's elected. >> when you hear people say things now that they seemed embolden and say things, maybe previously they would kept to themselves and it is often coming from the kind of most core part of the brain like the deepest unattractive part of our human nature. >> yeah. i find it really sad that he's encouraged that type of discriminatory behavior. it is more than sad, it is

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i do know they are very much against pedophilipedophilia. they fight it very hard. i know about antifa and the radical left and i know how violent and vicious they are and burning down cities. >> ben sass says qanon is nuts and real leaders calling it conspiracy theory. why not say it is crazy and not true? >> i don't know about qanon. why don't you ask joe biden questions about why does he not condemn antifa. qanon is not all about stopping pedophilia.

there is across over between qanon followers. according to the colt, president trump is working to arrest the blood drinking pedophile. they used to say he was working with robert mueller but then the mueller report came out and they made up another lie. our gary tubman is live tonight at macon, georgia. >> reporter: mr. trump has been speaking for one hour now. like we have seen before most people are not wearing masks and not social distancing. it looks like a concert. he's been talking about locking up hillary clinton and no mention of qanon. he had a chance to condemn qanon last night but he did not do it. we talked to supporters in

strong favor of qanon and others know little about it but none we talked to want to condemn it. >> it is a crazy theory, do you believe in that? >> yes. >> reporter: you say you believe in theory like this? >> yes, 100%. >> reporter: do you think he has your back by not criticizing it? do you think he should announce qanon? >> sure. >> reporter: why? do you believe pdemocrats are pedophiles? where did that come from? >> why don't you ask little

kids. >> let me ask you, who do you work for, abc or cnn? no. >> reporter: cnn.ludicrous. >> no, i think he wants to put everything out there so you can judge it yourself. >> reporter: hearing it does not mean it is true. do you think the president should denounce qanon? >> i don't think he has any information to denounce it. >> he can do whatever he wants, we love him and trust him. >> reporter: traditionally at a rally, the final mopt nth is ear to find people undecided. donald trump's rallies, finding

an undecided voters like finding a polar bear in georgia. these people are committed and we hear no complaints about what donald trump does or what he says. anderson. >> all right, gary tubman. thank you. >> the president could easily denounce qanon. he says he does not know anything about it like michael cohen or we are not close at all. the reason he's not saying he disavowals it because he knows qanon supports him, he single handledly battling the deep states and drinking children's blood. he almost never criticized it.

did it surprise you at all? >> no, it didn't surprise me. one thing we know about this president is he's extremely reluctant to criticize anyone who likes him. we have seen it with white supremacists and other french groups and we have seen it several times with qanon. this is not the first time he presented with the opportunity of qanon and declined to do so. his remark of not knowing anything about it is implausible given the amount of time he spent on twitter and watching cable news. it qanon is a little bit about the

moon landing conspiracy theory -- that's not the point, calling your enemy pedophiles and get revenge against them. it had little to do with helping children. >> this is not a center for missing exploited children. this is a bunch of people online following directions from a completely unknown poster who you know they believe is a high level intelligence official or somebody in the trump's white house and this person had been wrong for months now and made up stuff that does not come to pass. robert mueller was at the core working with trump against hillary clinton and hillary clinton was going to get arrested. it is all just a fantasy. it is amazing to me how it traffics anti -- one of the can

dates talking about the rock child in saudi arabia and they're running this global kabul, it is insane. >> it is a conspiracy theory and it ties together every conspiraciy of the past a hundrd year. this is not the center for missing children. it is the actual group o of -- they are begging qanon believers to stop, their hotlines are being overwhelmed. and we don't want your support, you are not in the this as the same reason as we are. >> the president retweeted qanon

followers stuff dozens of times and had been asked about qanon before. the idea he does not know anything, the idea that his aide would not take him aside here is the deal of qanon as if he didn't know because he's going to be asked about it. he's not fully briefed on who these people are and what they want. >> interestingly this seemed to have changed the last few months, i went to a trump rally where people at the door were turned away for having qanon posters and signs and the secret service were not letting those people into the rally presumably because someone on the campaign was reluctant to have that appear on camera. they were sort of embarrassed and not want to be seen it on

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you are looking at tonight's trump rally in macon, georgia, his third one today. crowds all are not wearing masks. the number of u.s. coronavirus cases topping 8 million so far. tomorrow reported, the president is scheduled to be in a rally of wisconsin, a state surging in cases. our medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta. >> reporter: these rallies have come represent a show of force against fear. >> it is a 99.9% survival rate

and i am going to continue to live my life. i hope everybody else does, too. >> reporter: for a lot of public health experts though, these rallies have the element of contagent. >> it is a rough analogy but if we think of a campfire and you have a gentle breeze that night, not everybody sitting around that campfire is equal in regard to the amount of virus or smoke they are getting in their face. >> reporter: it is true that outdoors can be up to 20 or 30 times safer in doors, the virus is likely to disperse into the air but it is still not completely safe. again think of that campfire smoke, it drifts and lingers and tra travels where ever the wind carries. here is the problem, linking a

gather like this to a later spike new infection is challenging especially 50,000 people becoming infected everyday. we take a look at what happened to the virus damage. hospitalizations. as you watch this, after someone is exposed, it takes four weeks before they may be sick enough before they require hospitalization. june 20th, tularosa, oklahoma a in door rally. on that particular day, there were 140 hospitalizations. >> we know we had large events over two weeks ago.

we connected the dots. >> reporter: five weeks after the rally, the number of hospitalizations at 625, more than tripled than in june. june 23rd, days after that stop in tulsa, president trump held an in-door event, this time in phoenix. those numbers were already rising. fast forward ten days, that number shoots up to more than 3,000 cases daily and that's maintained over the next three weeks. august 17th, wallaisconsin, osh, the number of hospitalizations rising by 20% and continues its upward climb. now as far as recent rallies go, florida, pennsylvania and iowa, they all been within the last few weeks so we may not have seen the impact on hospitalizations as of yet. >> there is no doubt that there

has been transmission at the protests and political rallies. the virus does not discriminate. it will find a new host. it is impossible and difficult to document that transmission when there are so many people attending these events and they gather back out onto the communities. >> reporter: on saturday, the president heading to wisconsin, a for shadowing of what may be to come. s sanjay joins me now, i want to bring in dr. murray there. he's helping us explain what may

lie ahead. sanjay, how many events like this, why have we not heard more cases connected to it? >> well, it is very hard to do the contract tracing here, anderson. we talked about this. you get 50,000 newly infected diagnoses in a given day. and you know i don't think we are giving it a lot of focus in this country in part of those numbers. in new zealand, the contact tracing there is sophisticated, they were able to contact trace people getting infected from a particular garbage can lid as a potential source of infection, they're using cctv cameras and tracing people whereabouts and you come to that sort of

conclusion, that's how sophisticated you can get. >> in-door events, the president says we are rounding the term and ending the pandemic. can you start with what your most recent model found in terms of deaths in tuhe u.s., are we rounding in terms? >> no, we are not rounding in terms. transmission is on the upswing. and that's what's heading our way. we expect the death toll unfortunately and unless we change your behavior is going to reach 309,000 deaths by february 1st. >> that's almost double. >> it is not over. the worse is still to come. >> that's extraordinary between now and february 1st as another

200,000 people according to the model who will die. >> absolutely. we are going to see these up ticks gradually or steadily getting worse and worse as we roll into november and december. at that point is not just people going to die, many states will have to put back down some of those mandates if they want to keep the hospitals being overwhelmed and the economic hit that comes with it as well. >> you and i talked about it before. right now you said around 45% of the country wears masks regularly. if 95% of the country wears masks regularly, the number of deaths could be cut by 40,000, if i am not wrong? >> the number of deaths could be cut quite a bit more. it is from our latest estimates

we can cut deaths by increase mask use by 74,000. it is a big number. you know the future is not cast in stone. it is really in our control in terms of whether we are careful and wear a mask, what's going to happen in each state. >> to the point that dr. murray just made is really important to talk about is if people were wearing masks now and just saying then the shutdown, dr. murray says are inevitable in some states because of the numbers rising so much. those shutdowns may not take place if more people wore masks now so they would not reach that levels of deaths that we are talking about. >> that's right. all the things we have been talking about, you could start

seeing the benniding of the cur. when i look at those models in terms of how long it would take, yeah, if there were sort of widely adopted application of those basic models of five weeks or so, i think you can start to see the curve start to flatten and bend downward. >> sanjay, i nu-uh hknew you ha question. >> i am curious as well. dr. murray, the last model as you mentioned 390,000 people projected could die by february 1st, it is down a little bit, down to 6,000 by what you projected earlier. yet we know the virus is likely to spread more during this period as well according to the model. more spread and yet the death rate came down a little bit. i am just curious and i know it is a small amount of change. why would that be? >> well, it is mostly california. what's happening in california

is deaths have been coming down really steadily. even though cases are slowing and flattening out in california, we are seeing deaths coming down faster than we sort of expect to see. that change in our numbers is really driven by california and the uptake all across the northern state is exactly as we predicted so no change there. >> dr. chris murray and sanjay, thank you very much. the ratings are in for last night town hall. we'll talk about who came out on top of that and the different approaches for the two candidates and how it plays out with voters. and when you get a big deal... ♪ ...you feel like a big deal. ♪ priceline. every trip is a big deal. ♪dy-na-na-na, na-na, na-na, eh♪ ♪dy-na-na-na, na-na, na-na, eh♪ ♪dy-na-na-na, na-na, na-na, eh♪ ♪light it up, dynamite

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agenda will be. david axelrod and our david goven gergen. david axelrod, does anythin anything -- can you extrapolate that more people tuned into watch vice president biden than president trump. >> i was sort of shocked that number because you know the one thing that i assumed was even if people did not like trump, they want to show up to see what exactly happens. i think, anderson, the person that does see a great importance of this is donald trump. how many times he tweeted?

given what happened last night, he may be better off of a fewer people had watched it. he double down on crazy, you know, the viruses were turning the corner on the virus. you just heard from the experts that we are not turning the corner on the virus. the conspiracy theory qanon defending this, retweeting the conspiracy theory that the navy seal was killed and the osama bin laden's raid was fake. this is the president of the united states, these are the kinds of things that place him in the hole he's in. he didn't do anything last night to change the dynamic. >> david gergen, you are going back and forth in between two worlds if you are flipping back

the forth on the two channels. >> he would come out so far ahead that he could humiliate biden. i think there is something larger going on. we have not figured out yet but after a period of time, republicans are doing better than democrats. but now democrats are coming on very strong and we had this avalanche of people going out to vote early. plus, people are coming out as if they are so angry and like john kelly to say he was the most flawed human being he ever met and rudy giuliani's daughter and along with john kelly. all of that going on and something going on in the electorate that we have not quite captured yet.

no question of enthusiasm and anger and desire to get this done with and get this problem behind it's interesting to watch. >> david axelrod, do you agree there is something going on out there? i always worry about democrats looking at national polls and getting complacent. ten points ahead, or whatever the number may be. >> there is always that danger. we have been seeing this from the day after the inauguration when all those women took to the streets to protest. and what you saw on the streets that day was not anger so much as resolve. it played out in the 2018 midterm elections when there was really an enormous turnout. it is the thing that tilted the house of representatives back to the democrats. i think that has continued and we are seeing niit in the early

voting patterns. sure it would be wise for democrats to be vigilan. there are those registration numbers that david mentioned. but ten points is a substantial margin 18 days before the election. hillary clinton had an average lead of 3 1/2 points nationally and finished ahe eed -- obamacae is 10 1/2 points ahead initially he is more likely to win a electoral college landslide. more than likely to win the electoral college if you win by more than seven points. there are plenty of other thing i could cite to you that point to a biden victory. on top of that there is a huge spending disparity. i was looking at the television numbers today to the extent

there is anybody that hasn't made up their mind biden has like a 4-1 advantage in some of these key battleground states. all of the indications are positive, but everybody has poll traumatic stress syndrome from the last election. so i imagine we are going the see a lot of anxiety between now and when these votes are counted and there is going to be worry how they are counted. >> david gergen, this week we were talking about the president holding large campaign rallies, people not wearing masks, not social distancing going from state to state. you said going from object sendty to object tendency. i have been thinking a lot about that. i thought it was a striking and disturbing reality. the president though is playing defense. is there any other way to explain why he is campaigning in georgia today. historically red state. he won it by five points in 2016. >> no. he is obviously panicked. the bottom is falling out of his world. i think he is becoming much more

erratic but the rallies really are obscene. we are staggering from one object sendty to the next as the a people. this will eventually end. right now it is hard for people. i think people think we have a president who is emotionally and intellectually unhinged. that causes a lot of anguish. we don't know about his health situation yet. they on the have been honest with us about it. morally accountable for people who -- the evidence is starting to come in from past rallies, how many people have gotten sick w. a third wave, a third peak approaching -- the president will be talking to chris christie -- he ought to talk to chris christie go home and do his job and get the stimulus package passed.

then he will be deserving of real praise. >> can i make a point? >> yeah, go ahead. >> we talked a lot about what trump did in his town hall. biden was quite good in his. he was calm. he was detailed. he was confident. he related well to people and inspired a sense of confidence. and the trump campaign put out a state deriding him as mr. rogers. well, you know what, mr. rogers was pretty darn popular for a reason. and in contrast to donald trump, mr. rogers seals like quite a relief. i don't know if they each have a grasp on what is going on here or they wouldn't send out a statement like that. >> david axel rod, dave david gergen thank you. programming note, the final debate will air on cnn next thursday night. live coverage starts at 7:00 p.m. just ahead tonight, president trump on the attack. what he said just moments ago at

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vote yes on prop 16. some of the more notorious comments president trump made during last night's town hall. we want to play for you what he said just hours ago in georgia about savanna guthrie. again the focusing on a woman and her looks. >> in savanna, it was like her face, the anger, the craziness -- i mean the craziness last night. i said good-bye, i said great job, savanna, did you a great job. >> president of the united states right there, apparently unhappy with the criticism of his own performance so he goes after the looks of the woman who asked him reasonable questions and who had the audacity to actually fact check him.

she did a great job. the news continues, hand it over to questions. primetime. >> thank you. i'm chris cuomo. welcome to primetime. we need to pay very close attention to what is happening with the coronavirus. okay? we have very concerning data. i don't have a single source, and there aren't many who are better connected to what's going on with this situation. i don't have a single source that's not worried that didn't think we are in a worse place faster than they could have expected. now, last night we heard vice president biden saying that he would chart a different course. >> you can open businesses schools if, in fact, you provide them the guidance that they need as well as the money to be able to do it. you don't have large crowds. you reduce the size, the number of people you can have in the restaurant. you make sure there is testing. that's a really critical piece that he didn't do. test asking tracing. and you make sure