she did a great job. the news continues, hand it over to questions. primetime. >> thank you. i'm chris cuomo. welcome to primetime. we need to pay very close attention to what is happening with the coronavirus. okay? we have very concerning data. i don't have a single source, and there aren't many who are better connected to what's going on with this situation. i don't have a single source that's not worried that didn't think we are in a worse place faster than they could have expected. now, last night we heard vice president biden saying that he would chart a different course. >> you can open businesses schools if, in fact, you provide them the guidance that they need as well as the money to be able to do it. you don't have large crowds. you reduce the size, the number of people you can have in the restaurant. you make sure there is testing. that's a really critical piece that he didn't do. test asking tracing. and you make sure that people

are equipped. >> look, they are not equipped. they do need more resores and more guidance on where to test, how to test, and to have the tests and the staff to contact trace, and different protection strategies for different communities. so, look, clearly, biden has got to provide more details, but, you know, directionally, that's -- those are the right boxes he's checking. compare that to the president. his plan he said last night is to smash the virus and go back to how things were. eight plus months into this and that's all he's got? and then today he told an elderly group this in florida. >> the light at the end of the tunnel is near. we are rounding the turn. i say that all the time. some of the media doesn't like hearing it. but i say it all the time. we are rounding that turn. >> i don't like it because it's b.s. and you are lying to one of the most vulnerable groups in a state like florida, with its

case growth. you have no shame when you know better. this president oversees the agency that just released the data that is suggesting that we are climbing a new peak. the same people want to do more. okay? the white house won't let them do more. even though we topped eight million cases in america today. the rate of spread is increasing. hospitalizations are increasing. trump says he see as light at the end of the tunnel. he's right. the problem is, that light, mr. president, is the pain train. look at this. just yesterday, we topped 60,000 new single-day cases in this country. hasn't been this bad since august. 218,000 dead, plus estimates that have that toll accelerating. 3-000 by february? and for what?

why? because we didn't do it right this summer. now people are heading indoors. there are more gatherings, social gatherings, family gatherings, the holidays are coming. masks are nowhere near being used in compliance, sneshl trump country, which makes sense, seeing how the president keeps failing to tell people to wear them. seems worse since he got coronavirus. he said he learned something, he knows about the suffering. he knows what, to mock it? schools don't have the money or time to get proper ventilation. they are getting cases they can't count or trace quickly enough in communities with spread. people are reopening the wrong way. all of it begs for leadership. a lot of these cases, people don't know the right way. they don't understand the data. they are not getting it quickly enough. they can't respond quickly enough. and how quickly does our president respond? what's his reaction to the latest alarm? he welcomed a crowded mostly maskless mass of the faithful

this afternoon, two week to the day that he had to be air lifted to walter reed because of his own symptoms. got him spooked. and he needed two experimental treatments. and he got sick, most likely, from events just like this. our daily average now tops 53,000. that's a 14% jump just from last week. we' ar're not even into the rea cold weather yet. people are still outside a lot. schools are still hybrid or kids are home still. nine states yesterday broke new records for cases in a day. we are not in april or summer. this or winter. this is fall. listen to dr. fauci. >> it is still not too late to vigorously apply good public health measures. again, i emphasize, without

necessarily shutting down the country. >> we are our own solution. it's always been that way. wearing masks, avoiding crowds, keeping your distance. it sounds simple, but we're not doing it. and by the way, we do need more than that. that's what we can do. federal government can do more. mr. president, please, do something. it could win you the election. pretend -- do this. pretend you are putting up a wall all around the country that covid can't get over. and why? covid, coronavirus, corona, mexican beer. all right? now, i'd laugh, if it weren't so damn sad. we need more and better tests that fit different situations. schools aren't football games, aren't pubs, aren't grocery stores. different situations and

populations demand different testing and parameters and protection strategies. we know all of this. we are just not doing anything about it. yes, states are trying. but they need help. they don't have the data, nor the dollars, to get it don't as the federal government government can and the federal government knows it. this president just doesn't think it works for him. even though it is killing others. instead, trump is spending money on promoting rose garden tours restarting the image that they used to promote that -- look familiar? that's the supreme super spreader of the virus, in all likelihood, in president trump world. but, hey, at least now they are asking most visitors to wear masks. you know, we had those dueling town halls last night, very controversial. but i think maybe they wound up being a little convincing. maybe they are proof that outside of trump's beloved base, people are getting sick of being

sick under this president. look, tv ratings, they don't tell you who is going to win the electoral college. but we have never seen trump get whooped in ratings. and remember, he had the advantage. he was on multiple nbc-owned channels last night. msnbc, nbc, cbs, telemundo and he was having a slugfest with the moderator. it was like a train wreck. still, more than 14 million watched sober biden giving answers that just sound presidential. and a million more than trump. the sad reality is that this president is probably more upset about the ratings than the new covid numbers. but he's not saying a word about either. do you know why? he wants to you pretend they don't exist. we cannot ignore a crisis. too many families, there is our kids' future. there's our economy. there's our businesses.

ignoring something is not a plan. just like the rush song says, "even you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice" let's get inside what's going wrong and what it means for joe biden and the president in this election. dr. lina wen and van jones are here. lina, you have good contacts as well. public policy background in baltimore. i can't get a single source that isn't tell me to basically panic. we thought we would be in a better position during the summer. the compliance is nowhere near where we thought it had to be. we thought it would evfl in our testing strategy, there would be more resources, community spread would be at a different rate, hospitalizations would be different, it is all going the wrong way. do you know anything that can mitigate that level of concern? >> well, yes and no. so there is no metric that is indicating that we are heading

in the right direction in this country. we are to the point where hospitalizations are rising. we are at the highest rate of cases, new cases, since july, and we still have more than a dozen states where the test positivity rate is in the double digits. which means we are not doing nearly enough testing. and if we did we would have even more cases than ear reporting. the numbers are bad. at this right we could be facing 200,000 more deaths by the end of the winter in the u.s. alone. all that said, the future here is not inevitable. i think this is key, that the future is in our hands. so i think that's the tragedy of it all. but it also gives us room for hope because there are things we can do today. and these are the things that you and i and all the public health experts have been talking about many months now. mask wearing, social distancing, avoiding crowds. that's with a we can do. tees are actions that each of us as individuals can take, even with the failure of our federal

government. >> one other and then van i am coming to you. there was a rule that it was not right to have mandatory testing in schools. this ruling that came down. i thought it was crazy, then i was pushed off it by my sources who said doesn't matter if they are testing everybody. they are not going to be able to do it anyway. florida just put out a headline that aim is really important and that the cases with elementary kids is nowhere near what they are seeing with the high schoolers. and that the high schoolers, the connection between their case is a coefficient of community spread. the good/bad news is if you have community spread and you don't do schooling the right way, meaning letting vulnerable people stay at home and figuring out the right options it explodes community spread. so schooling can be a problem. you will see it reflected in the

community. doesn't matter how much testing you are going to do because the community spread aspect is as important as that community's kids being back in school. so what does that mean for how we get our kids back in school if testing isn't the answer? >> well, testing is not the single answer. but i think it has to be part of a multiple prong strategy. surveillance testing is going to be important because in particular younger children tend for asymptomatic. so you could have an outbreak on your hands before everyone knows it is occurring. having regular spot-checks and having enough testing so students who do have symptoms or exposure can get tested. it is hard for kids across the country to find any practice that can give them tests. having sufficient testing is going to be really important. but i think you make a good point. it really hard to keep a school free from coronavirus if the

community around it is a hot bed of infection. that's why suppressing community spread is so important. >> i have never heard people as upset as they are right now. in the beginning it was shock. since the shock, oh, my god, how real it is. i haven't heard them like this. van, the political implications. there is no questioning that messaging is a part of the madness here, that this president is going to own this pandemic. how big a factor do you think it is in this election? and how did you think that was reflected by biden's disposition and detail of what he would do about it last night, and in general? >> biden -- >> are you trying to give me a heart attack? covid is not enough? coronary tonight. >> you are upset enough tonight, brother. no heart attack for you. biden is a at his best on this issue.

he's at his most presidential. his leadership, his steadiness, his empathy all shows through on this issue. part of it is because what needs to be done is so clear. and he's so committed to it. i think how it is going to play out for the electorate, as long as we are talking about numbers, people get numb. people are numb to the numbers. it's the about the people. you think about the people who are literally -- they have their loved ones, they are dying, they can't hold their hand, they can't touch them. the funeral that you have, zoom funerals, drive by funerals. kristen orkeza, remember her from the democratic convention, talked about her father. he said the only preexisting condition he had is that he believed in donald trump when donald trump said don't worry about it. those human stories. hers and others, the more that breaks through the more i think people will realize we have got to have a different approach.

you have got to have different leadership. these numbers are so overwhelming we are literally having like a 9/11 every other day that we almost are getting numb to it. but the human stories like hers, that's going the break through. >> does this break through, what happened in terms of what trump's warmup act is? senator will perdue, despite serving with senator kamala harris for three years thought this was something the crowd would like. >> but most insidious thing that chuck schumer and joe biden and bernie -- and kamala -- kamela, malla, malla i don't know. >> you think he doesn't know. they have got countriy names. they. >> you know, it's disgusting. disgusting. i have two african-american boys. they have funny names, too.

but those names mean something to my family and they mean something to those boys. and the idea that grown people are making fun of people's names is disgusting. and this is where we've arrived. and this is why, you know, even people who might be to biden's left want to see a change. >> van, dr. leano wen thank you very much. both of you have a happy and healthy weekend. and thank you. god bless. appreciate you. so the president played dumb yet again about the conspiracy theory group he's banking on to help him stay in office. in fact, he still found room to praise them. these are bad people, okay? now there is more evidence the gop isn't just tolerating these sick and dangerous lies, but they are playing the games themselves. you will be remembered. one of the country's top investigative reporters, and a former senior white house insider are here to tell us the

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file under sad but true, the president and his people are actively amplifying two major threats that face this nation. dangerous conspiracy theories, which his own fbi calls a domestic terror threat, and an active attack in the form of russian disinformation. and he's helping them. look, i don't give oxygen to garbage. i don't talk about stupid groups and give their names so they can get a bump the way the president does. but notice the contrast between two men who book ended one of the darkest chapters in our history, the attacks on 9/11. rudy giuliani denies the reality of a threat. you know our government sees andre dirkish as a guy who should not be trusted and they

think he is an operative for the russians. >> okay. they can see him that way. he is not. >> he is not. but rudy happens to be patienting exactly what our intelligence officials say russian interference experts want to you think about joe biden. right in the white house. the president's lawyer. contrast that with former seal team 6 member robb o'neill who said this about the president's embrace of conspiracies as endangering our way of life. >> and then just right now, to see it being -- the conspiracy theory thrown around due to politics, it's almost like -- it is an insult to real people. just by doing this stuff on the internet and making light of some of this stuff you are trampling on the graves of some of the best heroes i ever worked with. >> i never thought i could beat trump standing on the stage in helsinki and saying to the world

he didn't believe putin had anything to do with interference because he told him he didn't. disrespecting our seal team heroes and questioning whether or not we took out osama bin laden is the most disgusting thing i have heard our leader say. and he said it gladly, more than once. i am joined by investigative reporter and host of conspiracy land podcast michaelisi cough and myles taylor. welcome back to "prime time" both of you. myles, as kukky as this group is, they have had a hadn'tful of people do criminal things, murderous things, destructive things over the last year or so, acting on it. but what does it mean when the president of the united states says, yeah, qanon, you should decide for yourself. i don't know if we took out osama bin laden.

>> chris, i don't know any other way to say it than to say that the president of the united states is helping to crowd source domestic terrorism in the united states. he's got nearly 90 million twitter followers. he peddles these conspiracy theories. he knows that it's easy for this rhetoric to jump the tracks to violence, and yet he does it anyway. and i can tell you why he knows. because we've told the white house. this my two and a half years as trump's chief of staff at the department of homeland security we conveyed to the white house our concerns about some of this rhetoric and commentary moving into the violent domain. i eat at pizza place here in washington, d.c. called kmet ping-pong. it is a wonderful establishment. it is an establishment that qanon conspiracy supporters have said is a secret pedophile ring for poem like hillary clinton. that's insane. i can tell you, chris, i have eaten pizza there. there is no pedophile ring there. it is a wonderful place to be.

but when the president supports these groups, he ends up getting people to believe those things. and what happened at that pizza place that i go to is a man showed up with a gun intent on shooting people. because he believed that was a true story. here's the thing i would say at the end of the day, chris, this isn't the donald trump presidency anymore. it has become the alex jones info wars presidency. and it's the thing we feared so much when i was at the department of homeland security. because our adversaries, it was their wildest dream that the president of the united states would embrace these conspiracy theories, because they. >> it would divide americans, it would damage our democracy and it would weaken the united states on the world stage. >> alex jones whose own lawyer says he is playing a role in exaggerating everything for effect in court. then state news over at fox whose own lawyers say that their show at night should not be taken as a credible source of information, therefore anything the guy says can't be

defamiliarer to because he shouldn't be believed. justice crazy. mike, what are they pushing? emailed reported by the new york post that we can't authenticate that allegedly tie biden to someone that hunter biden was working for at burisma. it leads back to the whole prosecutor thing. but they ignore something two steps more damning than anything we heard during impeach member that rudy spends time with a guy they believe is a russian operative and rudy happens to be spouting ouf on contactually the same points they say the russians want to put into your mix. >> exactly. look, this goes back to the whole impeachment saga where we saw that play out time again where rudy was pushing the president with these rather outlandish conspiracy theories about the ukrainians having been the real actors behind the hack of the dnc, it wasn't the

russians. and all of these efforts to try to tie biden to putting improper pressure to protect his son's business interests. and so -- you know, it probably shouldn't be a surprise that here we are six, seven, eight months later and rudy giuliani is still at it. he's still obsessed with the idea that he can find these improprieties by biden and that somehow it is going to resonate with the electorate. i should just add one sort of note of caution to this. it is clear that u.s. intelligence community and even senior white house officials like john bolton have had -- former senior white house officials had concerns about what rudy giuliani was up to and who he was frommer the niesing with who he was getting information from. there is still a lot we don't know about this new york post

story and how these emails came about. there are a lot of red flags but, you know, that doesn't mean that the emails have been doctored and inthennic. we should all be a little cautious about reaching our conclusions on where this goes other than there are clear red flags about how the story came about. >> as always you establish the facts and they will take you where you want to go. you have some reporting about, once again, the party capitulating to the president even when it comes to embracing conspiracy theories. >> right. this is one of those sort of really remarkable dimensions to this whole qanon story. you heard the president saying last night, well, i don't know much them. i understand they love our country and they are against pedophilia and that's a good thing. he clearly knows a lot about this. this wasn't the first time he was asked about qanon. it has been part of the

political talk for some time. but what's each more sort of sinister and disturbing than the president making comments like that is the way the republican party at least some elements of the republican party are clearly playing to the qanon crowd. we discovered that -- the nrcc, the campaign arm of house republicans is againing against a new jersey democratic congressman tom medical nowski suggesting without any evidence that he is somehow protecting pedophiles, helping them to hide in the shadows. it's a clear grotesque distortion of malinowski's record who never lobbied about anything related to this at all. but this was a clear dog whistle to the qanon crowd. there is no other reason to be running these kind of attacks against democratic congressmen. >> right. >> this isn't the only place they are doing it.

but it just shows how -- you know, the elements of the republican party are clearly trying to, you know, play, to throw dog whistles, to cultivate these whackos from the qanon cult. >> well, i'm out of time. i'll end with miles on a thought he gave me some time ago, which is it's impossible to keep the country safe from russian interference when the president embraces it. i will never forget when you said that to me early on when i was asking you about how the government deals with the president's perspective on these things. thank you especially on a friday night. when trump pleaded with suburban women, please like me. we didn't know exactly how much he needed them to like him. but the whiz does. the wizard of odds is going to show us how important women in this election. and hillary clinton didn't have

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all right. let's bring in the wizard of odds here to talk about a very important demographic of women. good the see you, my brother, har harrienton. you say the president's biggest risk of losing demographically comes down to women. prove it. >> i will prove it to you right now. look at the national polls. the national aggregate among men and women compared to the 2016 final polls. what do you see? you see biden is doing better amongst both men and women than hillary clinton did. but he is doing 12 points better among women than hillary clinton did in the final 2016 polls. among men he is only five points better and trump is still leading among men at this point. >> why is biden doing better than clinton among women? >> two reasons why. two groups give you a good

understanding. white women and suburban women. look here. i think this is so important. white women at this particular time are favoringed bian by 12 points. they actually favored trump in the final preelection polls by five points. that's a 17-point swing. among suburban women who you teesed at the beginning of this, hillary clinton won them by 12 percentage points in the polls in 2016 but yoeb is leading among them by 21 points. >> i have to assume it is not so much what biden is doing as what trump is doing to lose them, right? >> i mean, sure. i think that's part of it. but i do think that -- >> i guess that's not really fair. what is trump dogma might be losing them? let's put it that way. >> it might be a number of thing. i think his attitude is a big problem. women tend to be pocketbook voters and obviously he turned out to be a little bit more conservative than a lot of voters thought he was going to be especially when it comes to obamacare and when it comes the tax he form and women seem to

favor a more liberal pathway on that issue as well. i think it is pocketbook issues. one other slide we should get to here that really gets at it. donald trump has said over and over again, oh, i am going to protect the suburban woman, why don't you vote for me? i am protecting you. look at this fox news poll the way the president talks about equality and police violence. only 29% say yes has the case for joe biden. for donald trump it is 61%. the clear majority do. they do not like the way he is handling the issues of racial inquality and police. >> that's shocking, suburban moms and other women den like hearing that a black mob is coming with their cookie white friends to destroy a suburban fortunate? how odd. >> he won in 2016. over and over again during his presidency he has been unpopular and has not been speaking to the concerns of the american people

specifically. women and suburban women on top of that. >> they have to be tired of watching people get sick and their schools being subpar because of the response to the pandemic. harry have a good quooekd. let's look at the legal aspect of securing the election. it is important and kind in luck in. confusion and uncertainty about mail-in voting is kinds growing in texas. why? you had the federal judge say it is not suppressive what the governor is doing. it is one place. a state court said no, during covid you can't have one ballot drop per county. it creates too much risk. we have harris county's gover governing -- the state court is going to matter because election law is state law. so the finding of the judge was,

no, mr. governor, you can't have just one box even though that's usually the rule. one box was enough before. not during covid. what is the implication of potential impact of this decision? do you think it will hold. chris, i mean -- so we had 12 drop boxes in harris county, and the governor shut down 11 of them. that was upheld. now there is a suit going on in state court. the judge issued that that order that those be open. but then the court of appeals already issued an injunction. as you said, not everybody is a lawyer. the takeaway here is that it's -- it's in litigation. we have to make it clear for voters. their intention is litigation. and it's confusion. to the extent that we opened drop boxes for a few hours and we have to shut them down --

right now we can't open them. we don't expect probably that much is going the change on that front. but we have so many other investments, three times the number of early vote locations, drivethrough voting, which has been amazing. we have blown past all the most optimistic projections on turnout. what that is showing is despite this confusion this litigation that the republican party and the state are trying to push that vote remembers showing up and just doing an incredibly amazing job at participating. >> you don't think at this rate you will have multiple drop boxes despite the size of the county and the need according to the state judge to keep people away from one another so have more places they can go to drop them off? >> obviously we always hope for the best. but if we are being realistic, i don't see -- even if it moves past the court of appeals, the state supreme court has not been friendly to these issues. one point that is important is actually the republican areas of this massive county are the ones

that tend to vote by mail. these drop boxes were so folks could more conveniently drop off their mail-in ballots. i do ask -- you know, these folks are just limiting the voting options for everybody. for me, voting is a civic duty, right? we shouldn't be looking at it from a political lens when we are administering these elections. and i think it does shoot you in the foot is what the republican is seeing here, what the state leadership is seeing here is that we had the drop boxes all over the country particularly in republican areas that tend to vote by mail disproportionately and now those folks are having to drive 30 miles to the one location because this county is the size of rhode island. >> i think it is good for the audience to know you are still fighting for more drop boxes even though your party might not benefit from all of this. you want all the boxes there.

anything else we need to know? >> look n harris county, 2016, we had a record of 100,000 votes the last day of early vote. we have broken that record now four times, four days in a row. we still have two weeks left we have invested record amounts in election. that's that folks should continue to do. we hope for more good news. this is in some way as model of what county elections should invest in because participation is important. >> long way to go, and judge, you have got the platform. as there are changes in the situation, if you don't hear from me, come get me. the opportunity stands. >> will do. >> be well, judge. judge lina hidalgo. you will see these things in pockets all around the country. we track them. all we want is participation. everybody has got get out that wants to get out. special guest here tonight certainly for me. i am a fan. i will keep it straight. ice cube.

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our next guest is ice cube. if you know anything about him, and you probably do, you know he started his career rapping in defiance about police presence and the realities of inner city life. and he got political with his songs as well recently during the trump administration, most recently in 2018. here's a taste. ♪ arrest the president. you got the evidence that [ bleep ] is fresh and intelligent ♪ >> now, we see a shift. now he wants to work with president trump, whose warmup act at his rally tonight treats

the first black woman the run for vice president like this. >> the most indidious thing that chuck schumer and joe biden are rig to perpetrate and bernie and kamala, malla malla malla, whatever -- >> that's senator perdue. he served with harris for three years. doesn't know how to say her name? or thinks there is something to be gained by messing with her name. all right. now here's what the president had to say most recently about black lives matter. >> the first time i ever heard of black lives matter, i said that's such a terrible term, because it's such a racist term. it's a term that sows division between blacks and whites and everybody else, and it is a very bad term, for blacks. but they were very angry. it is a marxist organization. >> with all that going on and how the president continues to

speak about there being no systemic inequality it is no shock that ice cube got some heat for deciding to work with the trump administration. he wants the deal with it. i want to understand it. so should you. here is ice cube on prime time. thank you for taking the opportunity, brother, i appreciate it. >> thanks for having me, chris. your lead-ins are a little misleading. >> how so? >> well, the platinum plan is not my plan. i came up with the contract with black america. and i didn't run to go work with any campaign. both campaigns contacted me. both campaigns wanted to talk to me about the contract with black america. one campaign said, we love what you have, but let's really dig into it after the election. and one campaign said, we love what you have. do you mind talking to us about

it? and that's what i did. i didn't run to nobody. and so that was really misleading to me. >> i didn't san you ran to anybody. i said that you had taken a pivot. >> you said i ran over to the trump team instead of the biden team. that's just not true. they both contacted me. >> you are working with the trump team instead of the biden team and people are giving you heat for it. what do you say to them? >> i am willing to work with both teams. i am willing to work with whoever is willing to work with me. the trump campaign came the me and asked me to explain to them some of the contract with black america. that's what i did. i am not saying no more of these games, these political games. we are not part of a team. we have very broad problems, especially the wealth gap in this country when it comes to black americans. so i am going to whoever is in power and i am going to speak to them about our problems specifically.

i am not going there talking about minorities. i am not going there talking about people of color or diversity or none of that stuff. i am going there for black americans, the ones who are the descendants of slaves. i am going to talk to anybody who is in power with that. if anybody has got a problem with that it a problem with that it seems personal. >> and why would you pick trump -- >> i'm not picking nobody. he's the president. he's the president. >> why do you think he would want to do something for the community when he says there is no such thing as systemic inequality? >> i don't know what he wants to do. i just know what the man said. i know what he said to the country. i've never met donald trump. and so i don't know what he's going to do. i just know what he said he was going to do. so both of them have a plan. both of them say they're going to do something. and who knows what is really

going to happen after november 3rd? nobody knows. from each side. we're all hoping that candidates keep their campaign promises. so that is just it. >> so let's look at it this way. i think you're right to be skeptical. let's start with the democrats because even though there is a traditional connection between black voters and the democrats you could also say you've been let down or forgotten by democrats in a lot of situations that would have mattered. then you said all right. then what's one -- what makes one side better than the other? that is where you get in trouble. which is do you really think donald trump could be trusted as much as you could trust joe biden? >> i don't think i'm not trusting any of them. i'm just going by action. that's all i'm going by. i'm not going by words. i'm not going by rhetoric, not going by media spin, not going by none of that. i'm not on nobody's team. i'm not on team blue not on team

red. i'm an independent person and i believe that's what black people need to do is become independent and we need to get something for our vote. you know, that may not happen but it's going to happen. >> it's got to happen. it's got to happen. nothing changes if nothing changes. look, if i brought you here to fight with you, you would have known it. what i'm saipg isying is i thind get it wrong and i want to make sure i get it right so saying you are working with the trump team is wrong. what you did was when they asked to talk to you about it you said yes. if biden had asked to talk to you about it you would have gone to them the same day. it is not about you choosing anything but working with everybody who has a chance of doing anything. >> i'm working with whoever is in power. yeah, i'll work with both. whoever is in power i'm going to work with. so whoever wins, they'll hear from me. >> okay. >> you know, frequently. >> i'm glad you came to clear it up. ice cube is not with the trump

campaign. he is just giving his ideas and anybody who wants to do something with them fine. do you believe they are doing anything with your ideas? >> i believe, you know, they looked at the contract for black america and they updated their plan. but it's their plan. i have my plan. my plan is broad. it goes beyond the public sector. it goes into the private sector. banks, you know, even the movie industry. so we got to deal with a lot of different, i think, companies, corporations, and even government when it comes to solving this problem. i believe this is a bipartisan problem. i believe this is a bipartisan problem when it comes to the issues, when it comes to blacks in america and what's going on. it's not a democrat promise, not for them to solve. not for the republicans to solve. it is for both of them to solve.

they do it when it comes to the debt ceiling, they do it when it comes to getting us in wars. they seem to come together when it is something that really affects america and i don't think nothing affects america more than the situation that black americans find ourselves in. this country is coming apart at the seams and it is not going to come together after january 3rd no matter who is the president, unless we deal with this wealth gap. >> you have the economics. all of it extends from poverty which is an extension of opportunity which is an extension of a system that doesn't give equal opportunity and you see it everywhere. hiring, education, finance, all of it. so acutely we've been looking at what happens when policing goes wrong in communities. it doesn't give you concern that the president has handled police violence the way he has in terms of his commitment to work on any of the issues that you think are

important? >> we've been dealing with police violence in this country since day one. police violence is part of our life here. so the thing is this. once we get some capital we'll be treated better. this is a capitalistic society. >> true. >> if you ain't got no money you see how people get treated on the streets when they ain't got no money. >> not just money. wealth. you got to be able to build up wealth within the community. >> so, yeah, you know, to put it in greater terms, but the bottom line is, you know, dollars bring dignity. and so everybody in america knows that. when you got a little more money they treat you a little better. so we need to close this wealth gap. you know, you got people making -- families making $120,000 or worth $120,000 and you got black families worth $200.

this is just an enormous wealth gap that keeps growing. it's not getting smaller. you know, do the research and you'll see this is the problem in america. it's because black people have no capital. we own half of a point when it comes to all the wealth in america. half of a point. 13.5% people living off half of a point. we cannot survive in america another hundred years living like this. >> the issue is real. the problem is properly identified. they do have access of capital -- access to capital of about $500 billion but it doesn't say that it would be earmarked within the trump plan for communities of color. but we'll see what you can get done and i make you this promise not just because i'm a fan but the issue matters. as you learn, and as you see, action and reaction or inaction, you have a place on this show to discuss it.

that's a guarantee. >> i appreciate it, chris. i'll be back to discuss and let you know what i know, what i find out. i'll give it to you straight up. >> the only way i take it. it doesn't go well any other way on this show. >> all right. >> ice cube you wish you the best. stay healthy be well. >> all right man. take it easy. >> all right. we'll be right back. 133 million americans have pre-existing conditions

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