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together. her sister says her laugh was loud and infection and heart was full of love. may they rest in peace. and may their memories be a pleasing. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. "outfront" next, president trump's closing argument attacking the media and dr. fauci. even top plaun republicans are change course now. and an alarming warning tonight from dr. scott gottlieb, when the u.s. could be days away from a rapid acceleration of cases. let's go "outfront." good evening. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, frantic and erratic. president trump's behavior two weeks before election day is causing fear among republicans tonight. top republicans saying get it together and change course,
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fast. so will the president listen to that advice? he's got a chance tonight. live pictures, this rally is in erie, pennsylvania. he needs every vote to get him across the finish line. yet the president today chose to focus his ire yet again on dr. anthony fauci. >> he's a nice guy, but he's been wrong. the only thing i say is, he's a little bit sometimes not a team player. but he is a democrat, and i think that he's just fine. >> of course, fauci is not a democrat, each though that wouldn't matter. and the attacks on fauci are causing concern among republicans. that's part of why several influential republicans have been pleading with the president to change his ways immediately. senator john thune is the second most powerful republican in the senate. he tells manu, i would like to see in the closing days of the
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campaign him prosecute the argument against the democrats and the difference in policies. stay away from personal attacks. quit attacking the media and futchi and focus on issues. he's got to stay disciplined to do it that's how you're going to win of the middle people. okay, so you just heard the mist of things senator thune said not to do. in other words, he's saying president trump, don't do this. >> michigan just opened up, she wants to be a dictator in michigan. and the people can't stand her. now we have kristen welker. she's a disaster. the pandemic, they're getting tired of the pandemic, aren't they? getting tired of the pandemic. you turn on cnn, that's all they cover. covid, covid, pandemic, covid. people are tired of hearing fauci and all these. fauch i is a disaster. if i listened to him, we would have 500,000 deaths. >> stay away from personal
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attacks, quit attacking the media and fauci. good luck, senator thune. tonight, the president walked out of an interview with leslie stall of "60 minutes", an interview he had chose on the do, and he walked out. he was supposed to tape a joint interview with the vice president mike pence. the president walked away. then he tweeted a video attacking leslie staal for not wearing a mask during the interview. now a person says she had a mask on until the video began. just now, trump tweeting, i'm pleased to inform you for the sake of reporting, i'm considering posting my interview prior to airtime so that everybody can get a glimpse of whatbiased interview
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is about. what did senator thune say? quick attacking the media. is picking a fight like that, spending time like that a good use of time? that's what this comes down to for the president of the united states. even the president's own party says no. kacaitlin collins is out front erie. what more have you learned why the president walked out? >> reporter: they were in the room together for about 45 minutes doing this interview and the president did not want to go on any longer. it was not a mutual agreement to stop the interview there. of course, the president never returned for that taped portion that they were going to do with the vice president. so vice president mike pence taped his own interview separately and they are not appearing on camera together as scheduled. but the way you're seeing the president lash out as you just noted, it's really this pattern that we're seeing this week where the president has preemptively gone after the
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debate moderator for thursday night. he's gone after another reporter for what he considered was not asking enough about that new york post story. and the sustained messaging that the president is using that is not what his political aides thought was going to be his closing message for voters with just two weeks to go before the election. and it's not what republicans want to see either, because you see republicans start to distance themselves from the president and from his messaging. so this is not what aides pictured, but this is how the president is responding in a way that some people have said is predictable. that of course, he is going to go after someone like leslie stall. they did that 2016 interview and the president has held this grudge against her since then. but the white house has not released the tape, so we'll have to see what it was when the president stops that interview.
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>> thank you very much. and "outfront" now, abby phil p phillips, and paul begala, white house kocounselor to president clinton. paul, we hear senator thune say stop attacking the media. are republicans doing the right thing to run away from trump right now or not? >> i don't know that it's running away as much as it's calling him out on things he needs to be called on. he does need to stop. it's not helping the environment at all. it is very interesting that if you look at four years ago, both candidates that were running, both hillary clinton and donald trump, had over 50% unfavorable rating.
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that's not where this race is today. he is still ten points upside down and biden is 1 poi8 points better on his favorables. so he's not helping draw any new voters to him at this point. >> paul, when you hear ed's analysis, as a republican pollster, are democrats feeling confident right now or if so, do they do so at their own peril? >> they do so at their peril, erin. they're not overconfident. they're living in this border town between passionate and panic. the most common thing that democrats say is, ahhhhh! i'm scared to death. and they're highly motivated. and i want them to be that way. i'm sorry to scream in your ear, but you call them, that's what they say, a primal scream at the
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prospect trump might get a second term. >> the president says he's going to release the "60 minutes" footage. there's senator thune saying let's just stop with the wars with the media. so the president is doing this whole thing with "60 minutes." the audience for that is not just his base, though. ed's talking about those very small groups, but the undecided or independents who have not decided what they're going to do. but the president thinks that this battle, going back to his usual tropes, works with two weeks to go. >> i don't know that the president really cares whether it's working or not. it seems like he's acting based on what he wants to do, what he thinks is the most comfortable for him in response to provocations, whether it was a tough questioning whether leslie stall or feeling like the interview was tougher on him than it might have been on dr. fauci or joe biden who also had recent interviews on "60
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minutes." so the strategy, honestly, there is no strategy to any of this. think about "60 minutes" as a program. the reason the president cares so much is because it has a lot of viewers, and those are people he needs to support him. older voters who he is struggling with in this campaign. so when it comes to strategy, the president is going against a strategy that would work best for him and on top of that, you know, even if you take all of this stuff that the campaign is trying to put out there about hunter biden, all of these attacks on the media are a distraction from even that message. i'm not sure that message is breaking through. so you have the president kind of going here, there, everywhere. there's no strategy whatsoever. and he's not talking about the one thing that he is really competitive with joe biden on, and that's the economy. that's what senator thune is trying to get him focused on. the president seems very
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disbreadi disinterested in that. >> the polls give joe biden a big lead. you do have some key states, though, within the margin of error, must-win states. clinton came into the 2016 election with a national lead and trump still won because it came down to those place where is the margin was so razor thin. is it possible we see a repeat this time of that? >> here's where i think things are different. in 2016, 24% of the electorate all through the fall disliked both candidates. and going into the final weeks, neither candidate was getting more than 20% of that vote. 60% of it was up for grabs. it was the swing vote in 2016. this year, it's only 7% dislike both candidates. that's where his numbers, in terms of biden's, being a net positive by ten points, is so
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important. even if you look at these close races that are equally close to seven years ago, 19% of the voters that voted on election day in 2016 disliked both candidates. and he ended up giving a 3-1 margin with most of those voters and key states. there's not enough of those voters. they're not the swing vote this year. he has to pull those voters back and he's not going to pull them back by getting them to dislike biden. >> right. it doesn't work that way. so paul, how -- do you think there's any strategy or anything to the media battles that he's picking now? kristen welker is the moderator for the debate this week, so he's now slamming her. and, of course, walking out of the interview with leslie stall. so, you know, he's playing up the media thing as much as he can right now. >> and i think abby's reporting is spot-on. i don't think this is driven by a strategy. you heard senator thune.
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president trump would do very well to listen to senator thune. but they're saying focus on issues, focus on the economy, stop the attacks on dr. fauci, stop inciting domestic terrorism. it's like telling president trump all he needs is a six-pack ab and full head of air. it's not going to happen. trump's going to trump. and these republicans are running away from him are running like the devil runs from holy water. even trump doesn't agree with trump 96% of the time, yet senator cornyn is trying to run away from him. >> does the slamming of fauci, what are your feelings of how that plays? >> i saw that a little bit differently. when you see trump going out there and just story after story after story going after someone, and everyone is shaking their head what's going on, i thought the story that was going to be out there yesterday morning was
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that the gross national product in china was 4.9%, and the story how they shut things down, got control of the virus, i think what he was doing yesterday was trying -- and he was effect tef at it, was to divert the attention away from that story. not one news network played that china story after about 9:00 yesterday morning. >> and you're saying that would have been what -- a very bad story for trump. >> whenever he is going on a tangent like that, he's usually trying to divert from something he thinks is more harmful. >> abby, do you think that's what that is about? that would show the chinese strategy, which was complete lockdown, had worked, when he's saying i'm the guy you should pick to take on china.
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>> it's possible that's part of the calculus, but i any the president lashes out at people who he thinks are attacking him. and in this case, dr. fauci said things about the president, he talked about how the white house held a super spreader event, he wasn't surprised that the president contracted the coronavirus. he was sort of saying things the president did not find complementary, and wanting to encourage the people to encourage mask wearing. look, i think there's generally, in the president's mind, a sense that fauci needs to get in line and really be, in his words, a team player, and he wasn't doing that. sure, i think it's definitely possible that the president is trying to distract from other headlines that are -- that undercut his argument about the strategy that the u.s. should be taking. but i think at this point, the president is acting based on his gut instincts and impulses more than anything else. >> thank you all very much. i appreciate it.
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next, john king at the magic wall. since her now t minus two weeks. it comes down to the number 270. and so many votes already cast. and trump's former fda commissioner with a dire warning about the coronavirus. governor tim walls of minnesota, "outfront" about the surge in his state and the connection to that rally. remember the sturgis motorcycle rally? it could be a big part of this. and the push to get one of the most powerful voting blocs to the polls. you're clearly someone who takes care of yourself. so when it comes to screening for colon cancer, don't wait. because when caught early, it's more treatable. i'm cologuard. i'm noninvasive and detect altered dna in your stool to find 92% of colon cancers even in early stages. tell me more. it's for people 45 plus at average risk for colon cancer, not high risk. false positive and negative results may occur. ask your prescriber if cologuard is right for you.
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new tonight, first lady melania trump backing out of her first trump campaign event in over a year as she recovers from coronavirus. a rally taking place in pennsylvania, a key state to trump's victory in 2016. a state that could be on the verge of flipping back to joe biden. when you look at pennsylvania, john, what are you seeing there when it coming the this right where we are here, this all-important path to 270? >> erin, we're two weeks out. look at the map, it is clear advantage joe biden. we have him at 290 electoral votes, the president at 163. so why are democrats so nervous?
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because they are haunted by 2016. let's take a look at the national numbers. i tell you all the time, don't overinvest in national numbers. but democrats have reason to be confident. you have a double digit lead, this is the average, cnn poll of polls, averaging five credible national polls. an 11 point lead tells you that's comfortable. so on the surface, democrats should be happy. but let's do the state by state. that's where you see some reason to be a little cautious, if not nervous. state by state, ten states, cnn rates as the most important battlegrounds. three of them, pennsylvania, wisconsin, michigan, you see a healthy biden lead. although nothing is comfortable in american politics. texas, president has a narrow lead. ohio, call it a tie. all of these are in play for the president. let's play that out on the map. we leap texas republican. let's say he gets arizona back,
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within the realm of possibility and say he runs the toss-up states, wins iowa, ohio, the president wins north carolina, georgia, and the president wins florida, these are all states the president won in 2016. not out of the help at all. where does that get you? 279-258. that gets you back to pennsylvania. if the president won pennsylvania, game over. four more years for donald trump. let's say joe biden holds it, it's 20, the biggest of these prizes, the president could still get there, plus michigan again. and what if joe biden holds michigan but the president once again surprises us in wisconsin. at that point, it could get interesting. 269-268. who wins maine's second congressional district in that scenario? if joe biden does, he's the president of the united states. if donald trump does, it's 269-269. and it goes to the house of
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representatives. i am not suggesting that's what is going to happen. what i am suggesting, if you're joe biden, and you're looking at this map now and thinking how big, how bold, where do i spend my money, how much time should i spend in georgia? remember right now, you're leading confidentably. in wisconsin, in michigan, in pennsylvania, and remember 2016. those were the three that made donald trump president. if joe biden wants to win, palestinian those back to blue. erin? >> john king, thank you. i want to go to larry sabato. larry, i'm glad to have you back on. you and john king on the same page in terms of the electoral votes. you have biden up at 290. that gets you the white house. but where do you see biden with the most momentum right now? >> i don't know that there's momentum, erin. and by the way, it's kind of
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phenomenal that joe king and i don't coordinate, but we have the same electoral college map for trump and biden. not that that should lend credibility to either one. but the fact is, we agree. i don't think there's momentum as much as there's stability. and there wasn't stability four years ago. hillary clinton was up and down. sometimes he was tied with trump. there was something going on as we found out on election night, whereas this one, at least for most people, seems to be at least preliminarily decided in their minds about their vote. >> so, okay, are there any states -- it's interesting, i like how you phrase that. we're not talking momentum as much as stability. are there place where is democrats should be concerned? >> well, they need to be concerned in the five total toss-ups. because president trump won them all last time. he won iowa, ohio, north carolina, he won georgia, he won florida. of course, if joe biden can take
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even one of those, winning the other states already leaning to him, we may have an early election night. some of the ones leaning to him, though, need extra work. whether it's nevada, which ought to go democratic, but we all know the hispanic vote is not as solidly democratic this year as it was four years ago, or arizona. it's always going to be close for a democrat. it's amazing that a democrat could even carry it. only clinton did in 1996. that was a three-way race with dole and perot. >> that's incredible when you look at it. you mentioned iowa. president trump won iowa by ten imagine points in 2016. the fact that you're talking about that just to give people context, you also say that state being in play, could decide the senate, as well? >> yes. the amazing thing is that a freshman republican, who was thought to be safe at the
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beginning of the year, joni ernst, is now either tied or a bit behind the democrat theresa grinfie greenfield. she seems to be doing a bit better in her state than biden does overall. biden and trump are tied 50-50. they're right there next to one another. so yes it could. and if not, not iowa and not greenfield, it could be north carolina if the democratic candidate, cal cunningham, hangs on despite a scandal, the one-term republican there, tom tillis, has been trailing for virtually the entire general election period. >> that's withbeen a fascinatin race to watch. republicans, though, are pointing to voter registration now. everybody has been watching this to figure out what you can read into it. they have narrowed the gap in some crucial states like north carolina, like pennsylvania, like florida.
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states that, by the way in 2016, did go for trump. so when you look at that voter registration data, and republicans think that it looks good for them, do you agree or do you think there's a nuance we're missing? >> actually, it's not clear. it could be one of several things, not to bore your readers. i think it's more important to say, yes, that could be a plus for republicans. but the tremendous turnout we're seeing in many of these states dominated by democrats, clearly. there are fobabout 2/3 of the people showing up is a good sign for biden. you can play this game all day and all night. all of these different variables will balance out and we'll have a winner. and right now in mid october, it looks to be more likely joe biden than donald trump. 14 days in the trump administration, 14 is an eternity.
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we'll see. >> so much could change and we still have that debate coming up. thank you very much, larry. and next, a former trump official warning of a rapid acceleration of the virus in the coming days. the minnesota governor is out front. and breaking news, mitch mcconnell telling the white house not to make a major stimulus deal with house speaker nancy pelosi before the election. priceline works with top hotels, to save you up to 60%. these are all great. and when you get a big deal...
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hospitalizations. 14 hitting new peaks. it's not just hospitals setting records. nationwide, the virus is surging. >> these numbers are grim. they are going the wrong direction. >> reporter: undergrads at the university of michigan, now at a stay at home order for two weeks. students account for more than 60% of new cases in the area. michigan is among the 31 states seeing a rise in new cases over the past week. just one, hawaii, seeing a decline. >> over the next five or six months, i think up through february or march, we are heading into the worst part of the pandemic for this country. >> reporter: new case numbers are typically lower on mondays. this week, the u.s. added more than 58,000, topping a monday record set three months ago. >> for the first time in many areas, we're seeing over half the cases having no recognized risk exposure, meaning they didn't know somebody that was infected. so it shows you how often this virus transmission is.
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>> reporter: that silent spread fueling new concern and advice about the holidays. >> it's unnatural for us to think those people that we love and trust could also be carrying the virus. but this is a silent killer. >> reporter: the head of the national institutes of health, the latest expert to announce his own family won't be gathering. >> for the first time in 27 years, there will be no family thanksgiving. it is just not safe to take that kind of chance. >> reporter: but staying safe over the next several months can be lonely. >> it's going to be a huge impact on mental health. you're going to get sad, scared, depressed. this is a normal response to a stressful situation. >> reporter: channeling that stress into exercise, meditation or virtual gatherings can help. and there's some encouraging news. ventilati ventilation, including open windows, spacing, desk shields and hand washing, greatly reduce the spread in classrooms, hopefully allowing more scenes like this. >> good morning. how are you?
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>> reporter: a bright spot amid an uncertain future. one thing health experts agree on, the next few week also be difficult. here in new york state, there are now 40 states on that travel quarantine list. if you arrive from one of those states, it's a mandatory 14-day quarantine. erin? >> thank you very much. connecticut and new jersey should be on the list by the metrics they put on there. "outfront" now, the democratic governor of minnesota, tim walls, and governor, you saw the map. minnesota one of 16 states that saw their highest seven-day average for new cases yesterday. why are cases going up right now? >> well, airlinerin, the upper t is a hot spot. people talk about covid fatigue,
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but the lack of a national strategy has created a hodgepodge of what states are doing. we've seen state positivity rates creep up. in minnesota, we've been able to keep it at 5% until the last week. now we're going up. we see the highest case counts in the dakotas, wisconsin and others and we're moving back inside. we got a half foot of snow today. we still need to have that national strategy to tackle this through testing, contact tracing and doing all of the fundamentals. >> so you mentioned the dakotas, and you know, i remember covering the ten-day sturgiscyc experts said that rally should not happen but it did. and there are some now experts who say it's possibly related to this entire case surge that you're seeing in the upper midwest. do you think that could be the case? >> well, i think it probably
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contributed some to it. i've been out there to sturgis, these are things that are important to people. but in a time of a pandemic, we simply have to shut this thing down. this has drug on longer than it should have, had we followed the basic principles of epidemiology. i think we're seeing it amongst family gatherings. we see it at weddings, funerals, and backyard times together. so i think hearing your previous guests. i'm worried about the holidays. these numbers are concerning. we have hospital capacity in minnesota right now. we built up for it. you saw how this can overwhelm a state's capacity and you have to build surge capacity in. it's a tough time right now and i think it's going to get tougher here and we have not hit flu season here. >> the former fda commissioner predicts the u.s. may be a week away from a rapid acceleration.
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you were telling me, look, things were -- a week ago it was not great but you were holding it. so when you say a week away from a rapid acceleration, do you think that -- is that what you're seeing, too? are things about to get worse in minnesota? >> yeah, i believe him. this virus, we have learned a lot about it. it is a lot more predictable now for us. but human behavior is not. we're seeing folks that are openly -- we have a mask mandate here. but just yesterday, i had folks in the legislature say we need to take off regulations and people will manage it themselves. that's what we have seen happen, and i think that exponential growth and that tipping point that he's talking about is setting in a lot of states in the upper midwest. so yes, we're nervous and stressing to folks to do what makes a difference. if we social distance, wear a mask and wash our hands, we have saliva testing people can do at
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home for free and get the results within 24 hours. we need that type of national strategy. >> so president trump has been attacking dr. fauci, called him a disaster. as you know, yesterday, and today this is what he just said. >> he's a nice guy, but he's been wrong. the only thing i say is, he's a little bit sometimes not a team player. but he is a democrat, and i think that he's just fine. >> governor, i don't like to have to correct it, because it shouldn't matter what fauci is, but he's not a democrat. he's never been registered with a political party. but some are pushing to open up everything. does this message of attacking fauci working at all in your state? >> no. and to your viewers, we're home of the mayo clinic, home of 3m, medical technology is one of our
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biggest industries. people here get it. but it makes it hard for people to follow along. this should never have become this political. dr. fauci is right. he's not right about everything, none of us are when following the science of learning. but the idea of i'm listening to my experts at the university of minnesota, dr. fauci, the cdc. again, here we are, seven months into this, done it as poorly as any nation on earth. we lost 250,000 of our neighbors. we just need to stop this, help the states. governors don't have time to complain about this. we have built 50 different testing strategies and we competed against each other. we have one state that has a rule, another state doesn't. so we need to will be to dr. fauci and the experts and we need to have a national strategy, we need to hunker down and beat this thing. any wishful thing is not going
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to get it. >> thank you very much. i appreciate your time, governor. >> you're welcome, erin. next, a potential setback to the president's push for a massive stimulus deal to help millions of americans struggling. and tonight, a big push in michigan. >> president trump says off that he's done more for the black community. >> he's full of [ bleep ]. tonight...i'll be eating a falafel wrap with sweet potato fries. (doorbell rings) thanks! splitsies? ♪ oooh...you meant the food, didn't you?
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breaking news. senator majority leader mitch mcconnell warning the white house against making a coronavirus stimulus deal with nancy pelosi, saying it could badly divide republicans right before the election. but after continuing negotiations with the white house earlier, pelosi now confident it seems with house
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democrats tonight, saying "i remain hopeful that we can reach an agreement before the election." "outfront" now congresswoman katie porter. great to see you again. so, okay, negotiations started three months ago. there's been nothing, the president said they were off and then they were on. and now his new strategy is he wants to go even bigger than democrats want to go. so are you worried that sort of this is not going to be a good deal for you? he obviously thinks going bigger than you is going to be smart. >> i think thei issue is, are w creating a deal that will help the american people? it's been months since we passed a coronavirus relief package, even as people are continuing to be out of work, people needing food, behind on their rent and the additional needs for testing and treatment. and most of all, the need for state and local funding.
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so the people who say i want it bigger or smaller, it's really, are you going to meet the needles of the american people. that's the question we should ask about any deal whether it's put forward by democrats or republicans. >> so you think the president is sincere, he'll sign something before the election? >> i think the president is at least making the right overtures. he sent secretary mnuchin to talk with speaker pelosi several times. i think the problem here is with the united states senate. mitch mcconnell continues to say, treat this like a mitt call issue. when in fact for so many americans who are sitting here around the dinner table, discussing how they're going to keep the electricity on, this is excruciatingly personal. so even if the white house and the democrats get to a deal, which i think we can, the senate republicans are not going to come along. >> i want to ask you about the final presidential debate. there is a new rule, cutting a
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candidate's mic while the opponent is answering a question on a new topic. as a broad caster, i find it terrifying rule, because i don't know how they can enforce it. but it does complicate the president's tactic to interrupt. but the president is saying this could help him. paul begala was saying this might be bad for joe biden, because biden will hear trump interrupting him and it may throw him off. if you were advising biden, what would you tell him to do? >> i think it's important that the american people have an opportunity to hear from both candidates, and as every parent has told squabbling children, i can't hear when you're both talking at once. you need to take turns and tell me your side of the story. so i think the effort to make sure that one person can speak uninterrupted is an effort to create a civil discourse, which i think the american people on both sides of the aisle are hungry for. i'm sure it will be different
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than what they're used to. but i thought the last presidential debate was something different we've seen in the past. >> different is one word. diplomatic take there, congresswoman. senator dianne feinstein is under fire because he praised the republican's handling of the amy coney barrett hearing, saying they are one of the best set of hearings i've participated in. pretty significant thing to say. chuck schumer says he had a long and serious talk with feinstein when asked if she should remain the top democrat on the committee. i know you disagreed with what she said, but do you think that she should essentially lose her job for it? should she keep her post on that committee or not? >> that's a discussion for senate democrats to be having. each of the pashrties are goingo have to decide who are the right leaders to push us forward after the election.
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that's between senate democrats to make up their own mind. i think it's healthy and okay for democrats to express different opinions. i was disappointed in the amy coney barrett hearing. amy coney barrett did not answer the vast majority of questions she was asked, and we're left not knowing what we're getting with a nominee. and the american people deserve better. >> before we go, just because i have a couple of seconds, your necklace, is it a balance of power necklace? >> it's called the 51-49 necklace. it represents the minimum senate majority that we need for democrats to begin legislating in the senate, which mitch mcconnell has failed to do. >> and is that your prediction, that you'll have that vote? >> i'm going for 52 or 53. i'm not leaving anything on the table. >> 52 or 53. but i can see the one. thank you very much, congresswoman. i appreciate your time. you can watch that presidential
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crucial. kate bolduan is live. >> i think it has become so persuasive in our community. we have to get back to empowering people. >> reporter: 29-year-old is a woman with no shortage of energy. she does not work for any campaign. since august, she spends three days a week every week between her full-time job and taking care of two kids, using that energy to try to convince fellow detroiters their votes matter. >> this is our survival now. what happens politically is apart of our survival. there is no escaping it. 10,704. what does that number mean to you? >> is that how many votes trump
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won by? >> reporter: exactly. >> it hurts, it hurts. >> reporter: wayne county includes detroit. she got about 76,000 viewer votes there than obama did in 2012. trump won the entire state by just 10,704 votes. >> reporter: are you voting for joe biden or voting against donald trump. >> 80% against donald trump. 20% for joe biden. >> reporter: what does it mean? >> the job that i have to do in order to get a representative who'll come close to protecting my people in office but i am not necessarily excited about having another representative there who really did not inherit and understanding the need of our
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company. >> reporter: blancher has lived in detroit her whole life, she sees the choice a bit differently. >> i am 100% voting for biden. >> reporter: does biden make you excited? >> yes, he does. his enthusiasm and past record. it is like a charge. >> reporter: president trump says he has done more for the black community. >> that's stupid. >> reporter: i don't need to finish. >> he's full of [ bleep ]. he has not done anything. he's not our president. if you didn't vote, you did vote for him. >> reporter: amber davis is one of those detroiters voted for obama in 2012 and didn't vote at all in 2016. >> reporter: why didn't you vote in 2016? >> i didn't want trump or hillary. i didn't care who won. >> reporter: what's your plan this election? >> i don't like biden but i
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voted for biden. this is for coronavirus and everything that's going on. it is just horrible. he got to go. >> reporter: a critical pursuit to the biden campaign is getting those voters who sat out four years ago to show up this time. the trump campaign knows this, it has an office right down the road targeting black voters of detroit. >> how unusual is that? >> i have never seen it. ever before. >> reporter: what does it tell you? >> the party, both parties need us. really. >> reporter: everyone talks about on tv and how black women or the backbone of the democratic party. >> we are. >> black women are the backbone. >> reporter: did you think the
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democratic party takes you for granted? >> absolutely. absolutely they take us for granted. they know black women are going to help them get the big win they need to where it matters but they also know that they can give us the bare minimum knowing that we are not going to choose the other side. >> reporter: what did they say of the country? >> we still have a long way to go when the backbone of the country is the most neglected. >> reporter: so kate, you know interesting all those women you spoke to, and i am wondering how kamala harris has impacted their view on the election or whether you found it has not at all? >>. >> this is fascinating. a lot and not at all. >> reporter: wendy says she likes kamala harris more than joe biden. the woman who did not vote in 2016 and is voting for biden.
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she says kamala harris did not impact her vote at all. this is a slice of the electorate. it is not necessarily how it is going to swing. >> thank you very much kate. thank you all of you for being with us. "360" starts now. good evening, with the president down in the polls and two weeks until election day. we begin with a question. is the president of the united states to say and do whatever he wants instead of helping him win deliberate rily or he can't hel it? as we look at the president's rallies. he says the worst campaign i have ever seen.
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