>> good evening. with the president down in the polls and the pandemic just a week away to a rapid acceleration, is the president of the united states on that and other subjects saying and doing whatever he wants instead of what actually might help him win. whether deliberately or because he can't help it. as we look at the president's rally tonight i want to read you what a republican pollster just

said on the subject. the worst campaign i have ever seen. they are on the wrong issues and on the wrong message. he is not alone. in a column titled trump is giving up. conservative "new york times" columnist accusing the president of disregarding the obvious fall campaign strategy. push more relief money into the economy, try to take the pandemic seriously and promise the country mask wearing and dollars are a bridge to vaccine in 2021. in pennsylvania, the president not taking it seriously even though the first lady pulled out of the appearance because she is still sick. not only that and regarding his own illness, nothing is deterring him from holding another potential super spreader event in a state where cases are climbing or stopping him from saying what he loves to say about the pandemic even though

new polling shows he is not trusted on the subject. >> the reason poll just came out, 56% of the people want to be here, not four years ago. they want to be here with us, we are rounding the turn on the pandemic. 56%. it is a record. epic job growth, safe vaccines that quickly end the pandemic. it is ending. normal life, that's all we want. you know what we want, normal life. normal life will finally resume and next year we will be the greatest economic year in the history of our country. >> this was pennsylvania's 15th straight day of more than 1,000 new cases. in ohio hospitalizations hit the highest rate since the pandemic began. in wisconsin authorities

reported nearly 4,600 new cases and on the polling reported today, it shows after the president's bout with covid 70% of americans have little or no trust he will provide accurate information on the subject. he just keeps talking about it and bad-mouthing the country's most trusted expert, anthony fauci. >> he is a democrat and a friend of the cuomo family. he is a nice guy but he has been wrong. reporters like him because they think he is against me. he is not really against me. >> it is true. dr. fauci has gone out of the way not to be partisan. he has gone out of his way not to attack the president. he has been doing the same job for 36 years under presidents of both parties. attacking a trusted scientist does not seem like the way to

go. yet he keeps doing it and saying the same things that lead to greater distrust. people can see we are not rounding the turn. the country is climbing towards a third peak. we are about a week away from a rapid acceleration of cases and by february, another 200,000 or so people will die. he adds that there really is no backstop. yet in the face of that the president keeps saying things that are obviously not true. >> we have saved millions of lives by the decisions that i made. we closed up our country in the midst of the greatest economic boom in history, and we saved millions of lives. now it is opening. we are doing much better than europe. we are doing much better than everyone else. our recovery is the strongest in the world. >> everything that you heard

flies in the face of what you can see for yourself in your own lives which can't but to under mine the president's credibility. he keeps hammering away on joe biden's son, hunter. >> we have to get the attorney general to act. he has to act. he has to act fast and appoint somebody this. is major corruption. this has to be known about before the election. this has to be done early. the attorney general has to act. >> getting back to the campaign being stuck on the wrong issues and messaging. hunter biden does not help anyone get a job or provide health care and covid. donald trump spends all of his time focussed on that and nobody cares. now attacking the moderator of

the next debate and today after abruptly ending a 60 minutes interview he is now going after lesley stahl. in erie, anything else the president has been talking about tonight? >> anderson, you heard the president talking about coronavirus, telling the people of pennsylvania to get their governor to open up the state because they want to get back to normal life. his policies are going to be the ones to bring that about and repeated that claim he has made so many times that he believes we are rounding the corner when it comes to coronavirus. that is something dr. fauci recently disputed. president disputing his medical experts and continuing to repeat that and talking about that 60 minutes interview he did with

lesley stahl encouraging his supporters on that. you speak to the president's political advisors, that is not the plan they had with two weeks to go. >> still no talk of a health care plan. americans seem to care about. they care about their health care. he is talking about lesley stahl. the first lady was supposed to be there and she is not because of lingering symptoms from covid. what is the latest from the president on her health? >> the president hasn't said anything about it and didn't speak to reporters when he left the white house. we got a statement from the first lady saying she tested negative, talking about the symptoms she had previously and hours before the rally the chief of staff announced that she was canceling and was no longer going to attend the rally with the president and didn't

announce they would come to any of the subsequent rallies due to a lingering cough she had. we don't believe she was expected to have a significant speaking role. the president is trying to build up support with women voters. his wife, melania trump is not someone that often joins him on the campaign trail and hasn't since july of 2019. >> cnn chiefs analyst and cnn's dr. sanjay gupta. what is the direction in the white house these day and i am wondering your sense of where his head is at or is he thinking about this? is there a strategy or just

rage? >> we have seen that repeatedly over the years. within the white house there is an attitude of resignation, frustration, some are still hopeful they can pull it out the way he did in 2016. that the polls will be wrong. the knives are out for each other among staff. right before the president's surprise victory. the president is very angry. if you look at his twitter feed he is lashing out at the media and his critics and calling on the attorney general to take criminal election of his political opponent ahead of election day which i don't think we should let get lost. all of the polling suggests this is not the same as 2016 when you did not have this level early

voting going on. that is a everywhere different feel. >> the idea that the sitting president of the united states is publicly saying that his attorney general has to do something to stop joe biden and bring charges against him and make an announcement about it just as he asked the president of ukraine to do it, which led to his impeachment. it is extraordinary. it is like yeah, another one of those things he says. that is something from country where they change leadership every couple of months at the point of the gun. >> he says the quiet things out loud. there is so much coming at you from donald trump you are tempted to pass it over.

but you shouldn't fapass it ove. the attorney of the united states asking his attorney general to set up an indictment if you will. he wants to announce an investigation into joe biden because he feels that is the last arrow in his quiver. we are seeing this and it is remarkable. you go back to 2016 when he won he was talking to american voters about their grievances. you know, well, you feel left behind. you feel the democratic party has become too elite and negotiated bad trade deals and let in too many illegal immigrants. now he is talking to voters about his own grievances, not theirs. talking to voters about his grievances against joe biden. his grievances against a democrat that tried to impeach him.

talking to hem about a rigged election. talking to hem about the way he has been treated by the media and by scientists and by tony fauci. the question is where are the issues that the voters care about as you were talking about earlier. about health care. about what is going to happen with covid. about what is going to happen with the economy. that seems to be missing because it is all about him. >> they are likely to see up to 70,000 cases a day and americans should take steps to protect their mental and their physical health. scott gottlieb said the u.s. about a week away from a period of rapid estimation. the chris murray estimate shows as many as 400,000 dead by february 1st. we are not rounding a turn. >> no.

you know, when you hear the we are rounding the turn, that is the expectation. at the same time we see the numbers going up. that is part of the mental distress that people have. this is a terrible situation but being clear it is helping some of those anxieties that come with it. i look at the rallies and i think 14 days away. you know there are people at the rallies now that will be diagnosed after the election. that is the reality of this. as far as the acceleration goes, as far as what scott gottlieb said, we can show the united states compared to the european union. if you go back to april's time frame we were looking at the graph and we were looking at italy. i don't know if you can tell there, the green is just about a

week ahead. >> green is european union. the orange is the united states. >> the united states, that's right. we were watching italy and seeing the numbers going up. the european yun was able to bring the numbers down. now the european union has jumped over the case numbers of the united states and they are about a week or two ahead. that is why scott gottlieb is saying that and there is a significant acceleration of growth. everyone says that the number of cases, but is it translating into hospitalizations, and it is. we are seeing many systems around the country that are far more full at this time of the year than they typically are, and we are about to go into flu season. you know, that is the concern

here, anderson, over the next several months. >> have you heard anything or under what seflair i don't do you see the president accepting -- if the president does not win the election through the vote, do you see the president accepting the results of the election? is that a scenario you see? >> i am of the opinion that not much about the president's body language suggests this is a job he actually wants to perform. he seems fairly tired of it. i think that is a factor and i think it would depend on the conditions and it would depend how much he lost by. part of the reason republicans will say if he loses they hope it won't be a close election and it will be a big margin for joe

biden. makes it easier for the republican party to step away from their president and party leader. i think there is a responsibility for the president making open whether he would accept the election results. >> president says we are rounding a turn. i guess that is just to get him across the election line and then if he remains president and 200,000 more die by february 1st, he will say this and that happen. we were rounding the turn and then we were not. y >> when he was ill in the hospital, he was called by friends. i was told by a source familiar with the conversations one of them said to the president look,

we want you to get well and come out of this and tell the american public that yes, you understand covid better now. you know what they are feeling. that you can take this because the public doesn't trust him on covid and turn that around. they talked to the president about that. the moment he walked up the steps, the balcony at the white house and ripped off his mask like it was a sticky band-aid and turned to the american public and breathed heavily they knew he does not have the ability to rey and the hasn't done it in his life and didn't do it this time. >> appreciate it. our coverage of the second and the final presidential debate thursday night here on cnn. next tonight the president watches 60 minutes all the time.

apparently not all went the way he wanted in an interview he just taped with lesley stahl. and later chuck schumer on how close or far they are from a stimulus deal so many americans desperately need.

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the president abrupted ended a 60 minutes interview he was doing with lesley stahl, moments later he taunted her online and then talked about it at his rally in erie. >> you have to watch while we do the 60 minutes. you are going to get a kick out of it. lesley stahl is not going to be happy. >> brian, what are we learning about why the president abruptly left the interview? >> the president cut the interview short. he walked away and did not do the walk and talk. lesley stahl would walk with the president and started to taunt her on twitter posting a short video snippet of stahl not wearing a mask. she wore a mask, took it off and

had to put it on afterwards. the president tried to portray her as the latest media interview and lesley stahl -- why do i attack you all and discredit you. so people won't believe what you say. he always wants the attention from the press and tries to have it both ways. >> i worked part time at 60 minutes. did he cut the interview short or didn't show up for the walk and talk? >> it was a lengthy interview but did cut it short. trump is claiming he might release the video himself. if they publish the interview online they would be breeching the agreement. it is a story, trump against the

elite media. he knows 60 minutes is the most watched news program in america with a lot of senior citizens watching. trump needs the attention. in the meantime the president rails against elites but there is nobody more elite than the american president. >> former republican national committee chairman michael steele endorsing joe biden. joining others, john mccain's widow. dana, i want to get your reaction to whatever this was the president had with lesley stahl. what do you make of it? >> classic vintage donald trump.

we have seen him walking out of press briefings when he gets a question he does not like. back in the day when he was still doing interviews as a candidate before he became president. i had the experience of him walking away from me after a debate. i am not alone. big reason the president is going after dr. fauci is because of the words fauci used on 60 minutes. we don't know the content of what happened. but he is lashing out. that has been evident in public and in some of my reporting from people talking to him in private. >> and also wants to drive up the ratings for 60 minutes during his segment. secretary, despite serving the

obama/biden administration, you are a registered republican. when you see other long time members of the party saying they are voting for joe biden, do you feel like the republican party that you knew is gone? >> anderson, the republican party that i knew and cast my first vote in 1968 for is no longer the party that we have. it is the trump party. most of us feel strongly the business of politics, yes, it is a tough business but it is an honorable business. when you have a national world leader who has left dignity, decency, honesty and integrity behind, that is where you start. you can get into policies. when i was in the senate, i

differed all of the time whether it was joe biden or barak obama. but we made things work because we put the country first. the latest episode with president trump and 60 minutes is so typical. distract and distarort. >> you are talking about 60 minutes. you are talking b you know, joe biden or, you know, lesley stahl. say joe biden becomes the president. what do the republicans in the senate, what happens? does it continue to be the party of trump? is that the way that it is now? is there a period that people

pretend like it never happened and they try to go back to another way. will there be a possibility of bipartisanship or are those days done? >> well, the first part of the question, anderson, what happens to the republican party. there will be severe reckoning and review. top down, breaking it all down and asking who are we. are we bigger than just one person. even the party bigger than a president or one individualed? yes. that is going to happen. i talked with some republican senators about this. they will have to redefine who and what the republican party is. it has been coming over the years. the second part of the question, i know joe biden pretty well.

i have been all over the world with him for 25 years. i know how he thinks and governs. he will try to build a governing coalition, which will require republicans. all democrats won't be happy. biden is a uniter, not a divider. there will be differences. there should be. that is a democracy. you have to make it work. you have to compromise and do what is right for the country. >> the president said all of these close senate races are not tied to him. we have seen some of his allies inching away from him. what do you make of this? >> that it is ridiculous and the senator talks to some of his old republican colleagues and knows that as well and has been in the environment and speaking of the environment, that is a code word some of the senate republicans who are in tough races and the

operatives who are trying to get republicans elected, that is what they refer to this as. it is a bad environment. donald trump is killing us out there. so many of the incumbents are in tough races not because they don't have good name i.d. or haven't delivered the way they promised but they have been in the position the last four years feeling they had to tow the line because they didn't want to make their base mad. now they are in a position of having that situation but not reaching out to any people who they also need to win in their state and especially the purple states. i want to tell you one example of how frustrated they are. the ally of the president said

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house speaker nancy pelosi is hopeful a deal can be reached on economicic stimulus by the end of the week after meeting with secretary mnuchin today for 45 minutes. majority leader mitch mcconnell said he advised the white house

not to reach a deal before election day because it would badly divide the caucus. senator schumer, thank you for being with us. why should the american people believe a deal will be done by the end of the week if it hasn't been done so far. >> speaker pelosi is trying very, very hard. there are real needs the american people have. the devastation out there is awful. 200,000 have died millions more getting sick. they can't feed their kids or pay the rent. when the second wave comes we will not be prepared. we feel an urgency to get something done. the problem has been mitch mcconnell. mitch mcconnell is dr. no. he doesn't want to get a deal

done. his caucus is totally divided. 20 members, almost a majority of the republican caucus that don't want to spend any money. one of them said not one dime. the greatest economic crisis since the depression. people are hurting everywhere. they don't want to spend a dime because the people that control them, the hard right wealthy people that don't want to pay any money in taxes or see any federal government seem to be running the show. they are the ones standing in the way of getting anything done. they know the democrats and biden want to help but trump and the senate are in the way. >> is a compromise on a smaller deal better than no deal at all?

>> there are so many needs for the american people. we are not even at the stage yet. the only bills mcconnell will put on the floor leave out testing and tracing and helping kids open up the school and leave out helping people with their rent. even the one thing they say they might be for small business relief, they leave it out to restaurants and independent venues and relief to nonprofits and relief to the rural hospitals. they can't even bring themselves to do anything. let me give you this. mnuchin and the appropriations committee has a good chunk of the deal. pelosi said 143 billion. mnuchin said 119 billion. let's give it to the

appropriations committee. they got there and the senate republicans said we are not for 119. we are for zero. no permission to negotiate. >> you are saying it is not a choice between a compromise a smaller bill at this stage. >> no because mcconnell said no. his caucus is paralyzed. he puts a bill on the floor. it is not a real bill. it is a motion. he makes a motion to table and they vote against the motion to table. he is trying to show they are doing something. they come up with these stunts which everyone sees through. >> judge amy coney barrett on the supreme court, pretty much assured. some democratic members have been critical. you said you had a long and

serious talk with feinstien. can you say if she will remain the top judiciary democrat on the committee. >> were you pleased with how the talk turned out? >> i said what i am go to say. >> scott gottlieb said we are a week away from a rapid acceleration of coronavirus cases. the fact you were talking about contact tracing is insane, eight months into the pandemic. how do you square this with the rallies the president is holding and the president says we are rounding a turn. >> the president has been totally derelict in his responsibilities since the very beginning. i asked he declare a national emergency on january 26th. let me tell you something that

people don't know. in the original bill he passed, the $2 trillion bill, there was some money to be given to the states for tracing and testing. the trump government hasn't distributed it. $9 billion that could be distributed tomorrow. passed into legislation and signed into law and they don't do it. i have never seen such gross and cruel ignorance and not caring in any administration. it is appalling what they have done here. we are going to have a second wave and we are not prepared. the governors are trying. my governor. my mayor. they are trying. without federal help you can't really solve the problem. >> senator schumer, i appreciate the time. early voting is breaking records across the country. i will talk to michigan's governor whitmer and the

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early voting around the country shattered records. more than 32 million have already cast their ballots around the country. 640% is the increase in mail-in ballots in georgia. georgia saw 142% increase in early voting since 2016. 2 million ballots cast in north carolina. the number in 2016 was 700,000.

state election officials says at least 80% of the votes will be cast before election day and in michigan more than 3 million people requested absentee ballots and over half have been returned. the president continues to attack the governor in michigan and the repercussions of the kidnapping plot against her ripple throughout the state. when you heard the crowd at president trump's rally yelling lock her up, referring to you, i don't know if it was surprising given all you had been through. and that the president still continues to attack you in the wake of this is just stunning. >> it is. it is stunning. anderson, you know, we all have come to know that people like dr. fauci have to have security because the rhetoric in the country has gotten out of

control. death threats since april. this is the culmination of this rhetoric and inciting and demonizing leaders and public servants for just trying to save lives. it is a dangerous moment. i remain hopeful that they can stand up and take it on and insist and demand that america is not a place where we give comfort to people that are domestic terrorists. >> the would be kidnappers training with weapons. you know, the idea that it just wasn't a bunch of people talking about doing something. they are planning things out. they have done reconnaissance. do you worry about their being other groups out this in other

states planning this stuff or preparing for the stuff against other people? >> well, i do worry about it anderson. in the last four years we have seen an increase in hate speech and in hate crimes and the intolerance has been bubbling and it has been increasing expotentially over the last four years and this is where we really need as a country a leader that can bring us together and will not stand for this kind of criminal activity that we saw play out and we are continuing to see play out as more information about this plot, kidnapping. they were going to put me on trial and execute me was plan. we have seen hateful actions taken against governors around the country. democrat and republicans have called and shared their stories

with me. we are just trying to do our jobs and save peoples' lives. a moment we need to come together as a nation and i do think that joe biden can do that and i am really hopeful come november 3rd we are ready to start a new chapter. >> with so many people attending trump rallies, not wearing masks, not social distancing in your state, is there contact tracing from that rally so that if someone from that rally got sick, would there be contact tracing done on them so other people -- they can kind of trace how many people from a rally like this get sick. >> absolutely. and we have been doing contact tracing. and we have seen from some of the rallys that the trump campaign is held in michigan that there has been covid spread. it's not surprising. if you listen to the epidemiologists and the public health experts, it's coming together. it's expressing yourself loudly and without a mask on, being

closely packed in together. these are the things that we know contribute to covid spread. and it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. and the fact of the matter is right now whether it's in ohio, indiana, illinois, minnesota, wisconsin or michigan, we are all seeing our covid numbers continuing to rise. and i think that's what reinforces hopefully for many americans is that we still don't have a national strategy around testing. we still don't have a national strategy around how are we going distribute vaccines when they're available. how are we going to ensure all of our hospitals and front line workers never run out of ppe again. it's been states on their own. and as we go into this second wave, if you can even call it a second wave because that assumes you've got your arms around the first one as a nation, which we haven't, it is still a very dangerous reality we're all confronting. >> just for those who are worried about voting on election

date and those voting on election day, we saw armed guys break into the state house in michigan screaming at legislatures, screaming at police, you know, this is i guess where some of the people involved in the plot against you got together and met. the president said liberate michigan. are you worried folks like that are going to show up on election day saying they're poll watchers whether it's that or to intimidate people. is michigan prepared for that sort of thing? >> we are preparing. i am fortunate that we have a great attorney general and our secretary of state jocelyn benson were working closely to make sure that every voter who waits until november 3rd and wants to go vote on election day is safe and wants their ballot countried. we are running table top exercises in preparation for this. you can vote right now in michigan, so to my fellow michiganers who are watching, i

encourage you to vote now. if you have an absentee ballot, you should drop it off at many of the dropboxs or your clerk's office now. >> governor whitmer, i have appreciate your time. thank you. we have a key decision in the breonna taylor case when we continue. it's an important time to save. with priceline, you can get up to 60% off amazing hotels. and when you get a big deal... ...you feel like a big deal. ♪ priceline. every trip is a big deal.

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breaking news from louisville, a judge has ruled two anonymous grand jurors are allowed to talk. the jurors are represented by attorney kevin glo gour. why did your clients believe it was so important to get approval from the judge so they could speak out? >> well, anderson, the services in the grand jury was over, their civic duty took over. they felt they were called to action to make sure the public was getting the full truth and there was transparency. >> the kentucky attorney general responded to the claim the grand jury didn't have the chance to respond to homicide charges. as special procesecutor, it wasy

decision to ask for an ziemt on charges. i want to give you a chance to respond on behalf of your client. >> well, i think on behalf of our clients, what's important there anderson is that attorney general cameron made that decision. he didn't put that to the grand jurors, although he put out to the public shortly after the indictment was read out loud for all to see that it was in fact their decision. so, that public trust was eroded a little bit, and i think that awakened that duty within our clients to try to speak out and file the action that we did. and now they're trying to help set that record straight. >> were you surprised if kentucky attorney general decided not to appeal the judge's rule not to speak because he fought for it to e are main secret. >> to some extent we were surprised. they fought it at every step they possibly could. i think at this point with the statement, it was released and the grand jurors letting it be

known they didn't make those decisions, i think maybe the attorney general realized there was nothing left to right. >> legally are there other options out there. could there be another investigation? any other options? >> legally i think the family for breonna taylor and their legal team will be exploring those options. once an individual is presented to the grand jury, no charges come out of that presentation, it's not precluding any future indictments or presentations. so, at least in theory another grand jury could hear more evidence involving detective hankison, sergeant mattingly and detective co detective cosgrove and put more charges out there. but that remains to be seen. >> do your clients have a message to the family of breonna taylor? >> the message from our clients is at that they want to make sure everyone got the truth. i think the ruling today from judge o'connell was very

thorough, very well-written. and i think it's providing a better chance for that truth to come out. and we hope that helps that family heal a little bit. >> was this their first time serving a jury for your clients? >> it was, yes. it was their first time serving as grand jurors. >> do they feel justice was served? >> i don't think they really wanted to weigh in on the justice aspect of what happened at that proceeding. i think what they wanted to do was make sure that people knew what really happened, who made what decisions and why. >> i appreciate your time. thank you very much. >> thank you. it was a pleasure. and that's it for us. the news continues. i want to hand things over to chris for "cuomo prime time." chris. >> thank you coop. i am chris cuomo and welcome to "prime time." 14 days until election day and divided we stand. the two presidential campaigns are complete opposite realities. p