for joining us. have a safe weekend. you can watch "out front" any time anywhere, you just have to go to cnngo.com. >> ac with "360" starts now. >> good evening. previous high of 77,000 of covid cases in one day. data at john hopkins reported 22,000. yesterday there were more than 71,000 new cases and the trend line is rising. that trend line is followed by increase hospitalization and sadly increase deaths. we saw the same thing this summer and it is happening again. it is grim stuff and the president talked about it today. >> we are rounding the corner beautifully. we'll quickly end this pandemic. this horrible plague that came into china.

the president was speaking at the villages, speaking at tens and millions of americans at last night's debate. >> we are rounding the turn and the corner. it is going away. >> he's now said that that dozens of times the pandemic arrived. this is nothing new. he's been saying it from the beginning o f the pandemic that it is going to disappear and gone by easter. knowing it was not true then. knowing how dead the virus was and he admitted to bob woodward and he played the pandemic down. the pandemic does not care about

the president's preserferences. this one is in pensacola in florida. why does it matter? researchers at the university of washington institute for health metrics valuations published a new study in the journal nature medicine. 100,000 looifrs could be saved by february 28th if mask wearing became widespread across the country. >> about 49% of americans wear masks regularly which was pretty stunning. if it is 95% of us, 100,000 people's lives could be saved. >> the president has single handedly made it complex. he's making mask wearing incredible. but in reality it is that

simple. if everyone wears a mask in this country, a hundred thousand more people will live and survive this pandemic by the end of this february. they won't die. but, it could not more than half a million if we keep on doing what we are doing with 49% of the country wearing a mask. we' so given how simple the life sa saving is -- what do you suppose the president is doing about it? >> this is jeff mason, he's got a mask on. it is the largest mask. i don't know if you can hear him. >> that's the president mocking a reporter jeff mason for wearing a mask in doors. in the oval office and not a big space. surrounded by people who's not

wearing masks all work for the president and they all know the president does not like mask wearing. not wearing a mask themselves and he makes fun of someone who is. if he's a ceo of a company and mocking everybody who wears a mask and pressuring everyone around him not to wear one, he would be removed and there would be lawsuits and he would not last long at all. this president is not a ceo. i know he had a company but he's not really a ceo. he's the president and he's donald trump. if only he would wear a mask and encourage all of us to wear them as well. this is a president who said last night if only briefly before quickly shifting the blame elsewhere that yes, he does take responsibility for how this country has handled the pandemic. >> you say i take no responsibility. >> excuse me, i take full responsibility. it is not my fault that it came

here. it is china's fault. it is not joe's fault that it came here either. it is china's fault. >> so his moment of accountability and self-awareness has a life span of a fruit fly last night. i take full responsibility but of course it is china's fault. nearly adding a few words, what did he say? i take responsibility but it is china's fault. of course he didn't do that. because it seems he simply can't. today he made fun of a reporter for wearing a mask. imagine if the president said that. melissa huggins jones if he decided to say that today because his supporters listen to him. the power of him setting the wrong examples, that's real. it is causing via lives.

it will cause 100,000 lives by the end of february. south dakota's governor, and like him, she too does not want to wear a mask. here is what she said, noem, south dakota of cases of 100,000 and a new daily cases approaching 22%. in north dakota, contact tracing is over burden by new cases. officials are asking the infected to do it themselves. let that sink in a little bit. you are in felkted with covid, can you do a solid and trace all the people you came in contact with and call them up and between your coughing. contact tracing still is very state by state. yes, some states devoted

resources to it and some have it. there is no coordinated federal effort at all. a strong message on masks of the president lightening the load by lowering the case count. it would save 100,000 lives. not only can the president not bring himself to do that simple thing. he can't tell the truth about where we stand right now. >> we are entering the final turn and approaching the light at the end of the tunnel. that's the way i look at it. >> he keeps using that phrase. that was the phrase some general used to describe the vietnam in 1968. it turns out to be a very long and deadly tunnel. the virus does not care what the president says. it does not care that we are all tired of it. it is spreading at a rate not seen in july, heading towards as third peak and higher than the

first two. that's what's in this tunnel that we are in right now. by the end of the weekend, 225,000 americans will have died in this country in this pande c pandemic. by the end of february, according to the new study, 381,000 americans will be dead. more americans will die in the span of three more months. that's how bad it is going to be the next three months. that's assuming that we all start wearing masks. if states begin to shut down and death rates exceed a certain level, that number goes to 511,000. if states continue removing social distance mandate, about a million people will be dead of covid by february 28th. that's not rounding the corner now matter how you describe it.

>> joining us now is dr. murray. thank you for being with us. it feels like shthe deja vu. are we in any way rounding the corner? >> i think he's rounding the wrong corner. we are seeing not only cases going up but deaths going up. the fall winter surge is kicking off. it already kicked off about a month ago in canada. there is no surprise it is happening and it is roaring in europe and that's what's going to happen to us. we are going to go into that nearly exponential growth in cases and deaths over the next weeks and months. >> your latest projections predicting of more than 385,000 deaths in this country by

february 1st. some states will reimpose social distance mandates. do you know which states in particular and may have to do that? the flip side of that, what if they don't. if they don't implement, more precautions. >> it is the one that is are further along, you talked about north dakota and south dakota. some of the states in the midwest will have to put on the social distancing mandates sooner because there are more virus out in the community. as the winter comes in, it is going to spread faster and faster and some of the other states where it is not growing at the same rate will be a month behind that but absolutely we are going to have to see what's happening in europe in position of the mandates to avoid hospitals being overwhelmed or we are going to face a really large death toll. >> the study of masks it is

astonishing and more than hundreds of thousands of lives could be saved. >> yeah, it is likely you are going to have to institute more lockdown -- such a severe word. the fact that you know that now is not clear that the people who are in charge in those states are listening. >> well, you know i think what we hope is that there will be clear guidance and leadership from federal government to have a mask mandate and penalties if you don't wear a mask and start helping hospitals plan for what's coming.

we are really back to march with onslaught of the cases coming. we should be better prepared at this time. >> how could you say we know hospitals are going to be challenged and we'll see large numbers of people like in march going to the hospitals. >> fundamentally what we have learned and we are being seen in the data for many months is that covid is seasonal and you know you saw the big epidemic and the southern em sphehemisphere in t summer. if you look at a map where covid is traveling around the world, it is all erupted, it is a seasonal pattern that we expect to see and now it is occurring. you look at the enormous wave in france and britt anyone and belgium and italy and spain and

also in ontario and canada, same story, they're well above their april peak. that is happening in the northern states of the u.s. and it will sweep through the rest of the country as the winter goes on. >> dr. murray, i appreciate you being with us. thank you very much. more now on the politics of this. joining us, david axelrod and dana bash. he said repeatedly when there is a vaccine it is going to go away and end the pandemic. that's not just the case, you know, i don't know what we do as a country when the president lies about what lies ahead even in the time he'll still be in office and voted out.

>> last night during the debate, he was asked about this and the predictions of scientists about the time it would take for the vaccine to take hold in the country and for us to move through virus and the virus dismissed it. he said "i know better than they do." he said it was going to be gone by easter and the vice president said it would be gone by memorial day. scientists have been right and predicting this fall surge so it is it is disturbing and dangerous because the president continues to believe that he can spin this virus but people are experiencing it. this is his political problem. the reality that people are living in their lives and the reality on the ground is different than the ones that he shares with the american people. >> president trump criticized

joe biden today that all he wants to talk about is the pandemic. it is as if during world war ii, you are attacking the president for talking about the war a lot. this is 200,000 americans are dead and another 150,000 more are going to die the next three mo moo months. >> those are the grim facts as you put it. he believes that this is something. it is unfortunately that every american in some way shape or form is experiencing. he has not been disabused of the fact that this is not one of the things he has through his lifetime been able to spin away to charm away and convince people that they're not seeing and feeling the e feffects of i before their eyes.

i had trump advisors say to me every single time he plays doctor on television, it hurts him more and more. it is crunch time for him. he understands fundamentally that the more the discussion is about the coronavirus and not other things, the worse it is for him because of his leadership of this and because it is as referendum on him, on his presidency but most importantly on how he's handled of what we are going through as a country. >> 2 million deaths in this country and that estimate based on the government doing nothing. that's something to take credit

for. 220,000 americans dead and more 150,000 dying the next couple of months. i mean it is unthinkable. >> the facts are harsh. we have 4% of the world's population and we had about 20% of the world's deaths and that's a terrible indictment of what we as a country have done. the whole world is suffering through this. he's absolutely right about that. other countries have been much more methodical and guided by science and they as a result had a much lower mortality than we have here. what's interesting about this is the president himself guessed the virus and instead of using that as a teacher moment for the country, he's using it to once again do what he did from the

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to be accurate, biden says "would transition to the oil industry to cleaner source of energy." here is the president today. >> what a moment of stunning moment when joe biden admitted he wants to abolish the oil industry. did you see him this morning? i didn't mean that. that was the last question and they talked about that. whoa, this is a big point of the evening. you want to get rid of oil and gas, we want to phase it out. thank you, texas, are you watching. pennsylvania, and oklahoma, ohio, are you watching? for that we return to our john

king. >> we wait to see if the voters have the same view of the debate as the two campaigns. they think the vice president made a mistake. trump campaign says that's going to help with pennsylvania and ohio and texas. the president says so himself during the debate. if that's the case, that would help the president get back into play. he can get pennsylvania if he can return ohio to the republican full. that would get him back into play but he would have a ton more to do. now we watch. they have polling and data and interaction with voters. >> how will this play out in the final day? >> watch the ads and not just

where they are spending. all states carried by the president four years ago. the president look here, new hampshire and minnesota, he did not win it four years ago. he's trying to find some new opportunities and had not turn up. that's one way to look at it. another way is even if the biden campaign did have some misstep in the debate, it did not believe it did. look at the advantage joe biden has heading antoninto the final ten days of this campaign. some more money will come in but that's lopsided. the democrats have money not

only to put up more reds but trying to put up the map. the candidates see the data before we see the data. where do they go? that tells you a lot of what they think. the fracking debate, let's see how he handles it in that state with biden. the vice president and the president, they know their crowds and they're more busy. he's going to new hampshire. the vice president is supposed to go to minnesota, a state they lost four years ago. watch the money and watch the candidates by early next week. we'll get to watch the polling to have any idea whether the debates put the map on something like this. >> thank you very much. we are back with dana bash and david axelrod.

>> you know i am sure he has supporters in those states and organizers in those states who may have win and the way he answered that question. the position that he's taken is very clear of his platform and that's the phase out fossil fuels over the next 30 years. he could have worded it artfully. yes, in western pennsylvania, there are tens of thousands of people are employed in the fracking industry and they were potentially listening and the president may turn this into ads quickly. he's had a steady leap there with biden. they are relatively confident with that state. potentially a little bit of turbulence that they don't watch. overall, i think he feels good about where he is. >> it was clear whether or not -- sorry, go ahead dana. >> i want to add one antidote about western pennsylvania.

i was there a couple of weeks ago in the have heart of the state where republicans of the trump campaign hoping to get more voters on their side than they did four wreyears ago. west moreland is where we were. that was about a third of the overall number of votes that he won pennsylvania by. that's why democrats and i also was communicated with some of the democrats i met there, they more than wanting to hear how the former vice president phrased his position. it is not so much they thought it was different or bad but because they are ready for it to be used but not entirely accurate but it will be political fair game. >> you hear and emphasize, the

way he said it it was clearly a gift to president trump. if you look at the way the president reacted realtime, he heard it and he knew exactly what joe biden said and the trump campaign already put out videos. the key is that the democrats do have a lot of energy as david said in pennsylvania and elsewhere. if they get the numbers up in cities like philadelphia and the suburbs then it may not matter in other parts of the state which is a crucial part of the puzzle for joe biden of the 270 electoral votes. >> david, where would you be focusing your time and resources for the candidate for biden? >> pennsylvania, michigan and wisconsin, they used to call it the blue wall for democrats. they're trying to reconstruct the blue wall, he's particularly

has kinship to these states and his history is good for these states. florida is a huge battleground. they can end this race on election night. they see some opportunities and states like georgia and north carolina and arizona in particular, 60% , and maricopa and around phoenix, promising for them. those are the places i would be concentrated on right now. >> dana, more than 50 million people have already voted. do we know how that affects it one way or another? >> not really, anderson. these are unchartered waters that we are in right now and in

some key states of what they are seeing right now with early voting and absentee is maybe more than half of the overall votes that they saw in 2016. we don't know how that's going to add up when we see the final votes counted. the republicans absolutely assumed for a lot of reasons that most of their voters are going to go out and vote on election day, first of all, because that's their traditional and cultural. second of all, the guy at the top had been talking down of the notion of early voting. so we don't know which is what makes election night and election day or week or whatever you call it. really interesting and exciting and nail baiti-biting to say th least. >> one of the questions about election day if this coronavirus peaks the next ten days as we are hearing from scientists,

what effects does it have on voters? >> david axelrod and dana bash. thank you, we'll continue this conversation ahead, someone that knows the president very well. mary trump is next. ♪ [sfx: typing sound] ♪ [sfx: typing sound]

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corners on coronavirus. the president's niece is with us. thanks for being with us. what do you make of the president's performance last night? >> i disagree with the assessment it was a pivot or change in tone. he came out the first debate with a tactic and was to be rude and interrupting to avoid all policy policy discussions because he knew it would be his advantage. going into this second debate, he knew it is not tolerated. the debate commission made it clear that there was going of a mute button, he would look bad if he tries the same thing. so you know donald is quite

capable of changing tactics when it serves him. i think the problem is not that he did that. the problem is the bar is so low that if he does not throw a temper-tantrum, he's praised for being restrained and presidential. we need to look at the fact that his behavior may have been more muted but he lied almost constantly and he sprouted conspiracy theory that has no basis and reality. >> he lied more than the previous debate, more mutedly because there was a mute button. what do you think of, i mean the

next 11 days, clearly this president does have sort of senses of his own survival, i don't know if they. >> reporte senses, what do you perceive these last 11 day ss? >> i think in a sense of what gets through him in terms of bullying. his team does a good job protecting him on the worse news. i would suggest it does not matter. what i learned from the last debate and obviously from the last few years is the things we need to focus on are not the

operatives, but the substance. this man is racist and rhetoric and failure to deal with white supremacy in this country and putting african-americans in danger everyday. this is a man who threw his own will on action and allowing 220,000 people to die from the covid virus who did not need to. this is a man who essentially made utilicruelty because we st have children at the border who were kidnapped by their parents and placed in concentration camp and no longer reunited with their parents because the government did not care. >> the president's response about that last night i thought was fascinating him saying how well-taken care they are and how nice the place is and being

cared for almost implying they are separated from their parents is not that big of a deal for children. for a child this is the single biggest nightmare you can imagine, separated from your parents. >> i don't think most of us can begin to understand the extent of the trauma to the children and the parents. imagine for a moment there are children so young that if they ever are reunited with their parents, they'll not remember them. these are scars that's going to last for the rest of their lives. >> it says what you know about and the president childhood and the way he views family stricture, the fact that and he did not just say you know being separated from your parents is the worst thing possible and it

is psychically scarring. i think it says a lot about his background. >> you are right. as long as the cages i is guild who cares. these children have lived in horrific conditions. and if some americans don't care because they happen to be brown, that's as shame. this country will never recover from. we need to understand this will not change if this administration is allowed to continue. >> the words the president uses are really things that are true about himself and when you start to look through that prism is fascinating. there is a pattern of this, the president taxing joe biden for

being corrupt and his family being an organized crime family. it is amazing how much projection there is and i don't know if that's the term. >> it is a term. it gotten to the point where i started to think that donald trump is desperate to tell people the truth of who he really is but he can't quite get over the line so he projects. i had it since last night when he said he took responsibility but-a it was all china's fault. could not get there. >> his acceptance responsibility last lasted as long as a lifetime of fruit fly. >> thank you for being with us, mary trump. >> our next guest fareed zakaria

say he's doubling down when we continue. ♪ ♪ the expertise that helps keep hospitals clean, is helping keep businesses clean too. look for the ecolab science certified seal. i can't. there's never been more divisiveness in this country. it's frightening and sad. that was trump's whole thing, you know, take the politics out of it and run it like one of his businesses. i know people were looking for that kind of change, but it's not working. you know, we've only gotten more in debt,

we have this virus now out of control, people out of work, no healthcare. how is that helping people? we need someone that knows what they're doing, and i think it's biden. i know he will listen to the experts. that's what we need. i trust him 100% to get this under control. he has the capability to bring us back together. i'm joe biden, and i approve this message. he has the capability to bring us back together. girls are gonna grow up and be about buproud of me for. that my reporter: facebook ceo mark zuckerberg admits a "operational mistake" after the company failed to take down a page promoting vigilante events in kenosha. the complaint says one of the 6 main suspects, adam fox, live streamed a video on a private facebook group. zuckerberg: i go home and just ask, "will my girls be proud of what i did today?"

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joe biden is comfortably ahead. a few democrats and analysts making definitive prediction

ahead of the race. our next guest is fareed zakaria. joining me now is fareed zakaria, he written a book "ten lessons for post-pandemic world." why do you think the president is going to lose this election? if you look at key battleground states, hillary clinton actually is about where joe biden is now and many of those states. >> you can argue it many different ways, right? >> it is a tight race and we are a divided country. i prefer to imagine an alternative narrative which is born out by a lot of data. donald trump has never been

popular. he has always had the majority country against him and disapproving of him he had the lowest rating approval in the country. he was able to pull off an electoral college victory. i am betting that does not happen again. obviously, di don't know. as an immigrant and somebody came into this country and felt it was magical and welcomed, and trump and what is frankly racism and racial appeals, i want to believe that's not america and i want to bet on the america i know. i am going to do it and i may be wrong. >> if the president does win a second term, what does it mean for the united states, home and

abroad? >> i talk a lot about this in my new book. there is not about what america does. it is about who we are. people have criticized america's foreign policy, the iraq war and the vietnam war. that's what america did. trump represented the idea that america is not what they had imagined it to be. and when ev we are somehow able to bring all these people from all over the world together and make this first universal nation. he begins his political career

and calling mexicans rapists and he announced joining the muslim ban. that's something so different and ialien to me and i think it would be an irreparable loss. zz he was concerned about -- he believes our democracy is in more danger than it was after the civil war, pearl harbor, cuban missile crisis. do you agree with that? zz el with, i think that one of the dangers of donald trump is that he seems to recognize no limits. so it's really that fear like if you face this danger, what happens? what happens if the president of

the united states simply, you know, challenges 20 different state elections? what happens if he asks the army to do things? i am fundamentally more optimistic than tom friedman. in my book i make the point at the end of the day the united states is always a mixed, messy country but it has incredible dynamism and i'm going to bet on the america i know. zz i wa >> i want to talk about your book. you write "this ugly pandemic has opened up a path to a new world." what do you mean by that? >> there's no question you're right. this is the most consequential eve

in our lifetimes. it has affected every single human beings since 9/11. but in doing that it's dislocated everything. as a result, change is possible. think about how much we've all changed in our lives. we've agreed to isolate o ourselv ourselves, we've agreed to spend hours having deeply personal conversations with our laptops. we been willing to change if politicians lead us and tell us in this moment of enormous change, here's the way forward. i think we would get to a better place but we need leaders that would get us to this place. zz f >> fareed, i'm going to read it this weekend. coming up, randi kaye. zuckerberg: i really just care about building something that my

girls are gonna grow up and be proud of me for. reporter: facebook ceo mark zuckerberg admits a "operational mistake" after the company failed to take down a page promoting vigilante events in kenosha. the complaint says one of the 6 main suspects, adam fox, live streamed a video on a private facebook group. zuckerberg: i go home and just ask, "will my girls be proud of what i did today?"

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day. did he influence any early voting there today? what did you find out, randi? >> reporter: the polls here closed a couple of hours ago. we were out here earlier when the sun was out and it was pretty hot and the lines were wrapped all the way around the building building. we wanted to know what they thought about the debate last night, did it move the needle. we spoke to voters here, both supporters of donald trump and supporters of joe biden and here's some of what they told us. >> reporter: what was it about biden at the debate that assured you you are voting the right way today? >> i just liked his demeanor. i felt like he came off more presidential, which head me believe that he's the one that can bring this country back together. >> i guess i was trying to see if trump was acting the same way he did from the first one.

>> reporter: were you considering voing f considering voting for him? >> never. >> reporter: the debate didn't change anything? >> nothing would change my mind. >> i'm looking for who i think will support all people. in this country we know african-americans have suffered for hundreds of years. i want someone that will turn that around. >> reporter: when trump said that he was the least racist person in the room -- >> i must not have been in the room. >> donald trump went after joe biden on the 1999 crime bill. he said it was a mistake. was that an issue for you? >> i was a law enforcement officer. joe biden didn't put anybody in prison. when you commit crimes, you go to jail. he did what politicians do.

he said it was a mistake. i believe him. i'm not going to fault him for what he did over 20 years ago. >> reporter: what did you think of trump's performance at the debate? >> he was honest. he behaved himself. >> reporter: why didn't the debate change your mind about voting for trump? >> i know about trump. i believes he's a business person, not a politician. and go trump. >> reporter: go -- you watched the debate? >> yes. >> reporter: did you hear any plans from trump about what he plans to do for a second term? >> i did. >> reporter: did you hear a health care plan? >> yes, i did. >> reporter: you did? >> i heard he'll protect us. >> reporter: but how? >> because he's going to protect us. he has a plan and everything. >> reporter: but he's been promising a plan for years. >> i'm sorry, i don't want to

talk to you. >> i guess she just kind of ended the interview. >> reporter: she sure did, anderson. as soon as i started to tell her and press her on the fact that the president still has not delivered a health care plan despite all his promises, still isn't saying how he's going to protect people with preexisting conditions, she was out, she didn't want to talk to me anymore. people are so dug in that once you challenge them about the candidate, they don't want to talk to you anymore. among the 25 people i talked to, not a single one of them said that debate changed their mind at all. many of them said they didn't care about all the talk about the candidates' business dealings, about china and ukraine. that didn't matter. trump supporters are quick to point out that biden is a career politician and the biden supporters call trump a monster and a lawyer.

>> and don't miss our special report "divided we stand" inside america's anger. i want to hand it over to chris for "cuomo primetime." i am chris cuomo and this is "primetime." the issue before you as judges is whether this president has dealt with the pandemic well enough. in a short time we've jumped from 40,000 case as day to 70,000 new covid cases a day. the second highest total ever, more than 75,000 new cases recorded just today. the highest peak was in july. 223,000 dead now. projections say that may double by the new year. did your