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and her brothers saw their dad as the cool dad. may they rest in peace and may their memories be a blessing. thanks for watching. president trump about to host a big in-person swearing in event for amy coney barrett among a second coronavirus outbreak. remember the first amy coney barrett outbreak. kamala harris is going to texas. what does that tell us about the race to 270? jared kushner's statement about black americans desire for success. good evening. breaking news, amid a second white house coronavirus outbreak the president preparing to hold a swearing in ceremony for judge
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amy coney barrett. she's expected to be confirmed for the supreme court any minute now. the president will then host her swearing in. we got word for the first time, the first time, this white house will enforce the basic rules of wearing masks and social distancing, something the president has never been enforced at the white house, in cloudi including the last big event for amy coney barrett, the one dr. fauci called a super spreader where at least 12 people, including the president of the united states and the first lady, tested positive for the virus. why the change of protocol? five people who work with the vice president of united states including his chief of staff are all infected with the virus. the vice president's office still not responding to our questions of whether he will
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comply with cdc guidelines and not attend tonight's event. he held a rally yesterday and today. no masks, no social distancing enforced. doing all that knowing that people he has come in very close contact with have the virus, knowing that he should be quarantining. tonight's use of mandatory masks is welcome, but inconsistent with what president trump and vice president pence are doing every single day. when it comes to the regular rank and file americans who go to their rallies. the president's chief of staff said the quiet part out loud on cnn, admitting this white house is no longer trying to keep the coronavirus pandemic under control. >> we're not going to control the pandemic. we'll control the fact that we get vaccines, therapeutics and other mitigations. >> why aren't we going to
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control the pandemic? >> because it's a contagious virus just like the flu. >> we take actions to get viruses under control. in this case we could open the economy even more if nonvulnerable would wear masks inside. this administration is not really trying at all. here's why that's such a big problem. right now not a single state in the united states is showing a downward trend in new cases. not a single state. 37 are going up. it is not all testing. take all that out, it's still up. deaths are rising, up 13% from one week ago. those are deaths. 11 states are reporting record high hospitalizations. here's how dr. fauci described it today. >> if you want to call it a third wave or extended first
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wave, it's not good news. >> it's not. kaitlan collins beginnins begin coverage at the white house. >> reporter: this is one month after that last event in the rose garden announcing they were going to nominate amy coney barrett to the supreme court. now a month later, two outbreaks later at the white house, we asked officials what are the precautions you're going to be taking. we're told the chairs on the south lawn will be socially distanced. masks are required. the question is will the guests leave them on once they're indoors. we've seen that played out before where you had to wear one to get in, but you didn't have to keep them on once you get in. guests around the president will be tested.
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that's not new. it's a protocol they followed before at the white house, including that one for amy coney barrett. it's one of the reasons why chris christi had a false sense of security because he thought those around him had been tested. we saw how many cases of coronavirus were later tied to that event. mark meadows tried to say they didn't know all those cases stemmed from that event. the question is what is the logic of hosting this event given what they know. the size of this event will mirror the last one, about 150 guests. they'll be more spaced out on the south lawn. it's still to be determined what it's going to look like and whether they'll leave the masks on. >> that is the crucial thing. are they going to actually do it, enforce it?
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bill mattingly is on capitol hill. the vote on amy coney barrett's nomination which is the prelude to the party is about to take place. unclear which republican senators are going to show up at the white house event tonight. >> reporter: it's a fascinating thing. it's not whether or not amy coney barrett will be confirmed. she will be likely within the next hour. it's who of the republican caucus will actually attend the white house. senators were asked the question throughout the day. the vast majority didn't comment, said they weren't going to go or weren't sure. that includes senator majority leader mitch mcconnell. erin, he made clear he's not been to the white house purposely over the last several months because he disagrees with the protocols and how the white house is operating during the time of covid-19. it remains a question on capitol
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hill how many people are going. senator keven cramer of north day said he was going. senator todd young of indiana, one of the biggest boosters of amy coney barrett, said he rsvped yes, but wasn't sure if he was going. when asked if it was because of safety, he said it was because of several factors. one senate aid said bluntly i can't believe we're doing this again. >> i wonder if all of that is part of the reason why they're saying they'll wear the masks. we'll see what happens here. olivia troy served as vice president pence's lead adviser on the coronavirus said she is now backing joe biden.
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dr. reiner, we'll see what we see when we see it. we may never know if what we see is a result of all the republican senators pressuring, we don't know. here's what i know, tonight is the first time this white house says they'll require masks. even as they are going ahead with this event, this party amid a second big outbreak at the white house on the vice president's team. >> right. first of all, i've seen this movie before and the ending is horrible. i can't believe we're talking about having mass gatherings at the white house during a pandemic. the last time we did this we didn't know that any white house staffers were infected. now we know there are white house staffers infected around we're still having a gathering. what's striking is that what we're seeing is perhaps the white house is maybe trying to
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protect some of the vips coming to the event, a benefit and courtesy not provided to the supporters who come to all their rallies who are packed in shoulder to shoulder. why is the white house willing to protect the senators and the high-value republican donors who may be coming to this? why isn't the average joe worth the same amount of respect and protection? health care providers around the country have been trying to put the fire out, yet we're being chased by a president carrying the torch. >> it's incredible when you think about it. the vice president going to rallies where there's no masking and social distancing when people closest to him have the virus. he may not show up tonight, not going to the senate because they don't want to be around him. olivia, we learned that vice president mike pence's chief of
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staff marc short who has the virus was a driving force against following dr. fauci's advice throughout the pandemic. you were in the task force meetings with dr. fauci, with the vice president, with marc short. what was going on? >> i was. these task force meetings, dr. fauci and other experts including dr. birx would brief on data, the facts and what was happening across the united states. marc short would go out of his way to make arguments and sta statements that they were getting in the way of opening the country or he would argue against the guidelines cdc was proposing that were critical for keeping americans and infrastructure workers safe. this has been going on for months. he just never wanted to acknowledge that this was actually a real threat. >> so, laurie, the president
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said he got it and he's fine and people shouldn't worry. obviously he got it somehow. the point is he's saying i have nothing to worry about, but i'm still going to test. mark meadows, as you heard, said they're not going to do anything to control it. the pandemic is uncontrollable. it's like the flu. then there was this exchange between the president and reporters today. [inaudible] >> no, he has. he's waved a white flag on life. he doesn't leave his basement. this guy doesn't leave his basement. he's a pathetic candidate. i'll tell you that. [inaudible] >> not at all, in fact the opposite. we've done an incredible job. >> so they're going broke. >> yeah. >> you can't switch tracks now.
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>> they've always lived in an alternate universe. to make the case, in fact, that covid really doesn't exist the way it does, even though cases are spiking all over the country and in red states that are trump supporters. what it seems to me -- they're even going a step further. when you look at the language the president has been using, he seems to be saying covid is a tool of the democrats somehow. that covid is something the democrats are using to get him and that covid is letting it be done that way. in a way it's his own way of saying that it's a hoax without saying it's a hoax. just saying that the democrats are using it to their advantage against him and that poor joe biden lives in his basement and,
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therefore, he's, quote, pathetic because he pays attention to what his own cdc is saying. you have the vice president who is the head of the task force no less not paying attention to it and the president of the united states saying it's not that bad. i survived it. >> dr. reiner, the vice president goes to his rallies and people don't have to mask or socially distance. he made some changes as more members of his staff have the virus. he finally agreed to not attend the senate vote. he was going to go there even though by cdc guidance he shouldn't. then he said he wouldn't do the r rope lines at his rallies. the white house says he's essential personnel so the
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guidelines don't apply to him. true? >> false. the only way he's essentially personnel is if his only mission is to get president trump reelected. the essential personnel are the health care works and people that deliver our food. i'm covering for one of my colleagues who is well, but is quarantining. he treats heart attacks. he's an essential person. he's staying home. the vice president needs to be home. he needs to be following the rules. he's placing people at risk. he's not essential. >> as the point was made aware to him by many republican senators. his vote was not needed. why would you put people's life at risk? jared kushner said people get the virus and it happens and the cases at the white house have
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been benign. your hometown el paso is now basically shut down for two weeks because the virus is so out of control. what does jared kushner not get? >> i just don't think he can relate to all of us across america who are suffering and consistently being hit with this virus. i think he just doesn't care actually. i heard him not care. he thinks it's a state problem. he thinks this is an issue that they don't want to own and they clearly continue to perpetuate that narrative. it's extremely offensive for him to go out there and make those comments about you may get it, it may not be that bad. it's very fortunate that these people sitting in the white house are doing okay and they have minor symptoms. i'm watching my hometown suffer right now. i'm watching the icus get overwhelmed. i'm watching them set up field
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hospitals. i have family members who are sick with covid right now. i don't take any of this lightly. >> i hope they're okay. as we said, across this country deaths are up 13% in one week and cases are surging at a much greater rate. hospitalizations are climbing. gloria, here's what dr. fauci said today when asked about the rallies and events that the president and vice president continue to hold. >> i'm not going to comment on whether this or that rally should be canceled except to repeat what i've said many, many times. we should avoid as best as possible congregate settings where you have people crowded together. >> gloria, he's being very blunt. he told me he supports the
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universal mask mandate. hae he's saying what the president of the united states is doing is wrong. >> that's why the president of the united states doesn't have him out front anymore and which is why tony fauci will go out and spread the message the best he can on his own. look at the evolution of this. we used to have task force briefings that were sort of task force briefings every day. then the president took them over and used them as political statements for himself. they were still every day. now we don't hear from the task force at all because the message the task force would give is that this is getting worse. hold on. this is not getting better. you're not hearing from a task force anymore. you're hearing from the president of the united states who says don't worry, be happy. that is not the message americans should be hearing right now, but it is the
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political message that the president wants the public to hear. >> gloria, thank you, dr. reiner, olivia, thank you. my thoughts are with your family who are sick. hope they are better. >> mine too. >> thank you. next, biden headed to georgia tomorrow, then iowa. senator kamala harris going to texas. that's how they're spending time with days left until the election. will it pay off? we're live at the magic wall. plus jared kushner's stunning appeal to black voters on the president's behalf. >> he can't want them to be successful more than they want to be successful. a state law maker is grieving the loss of his father-in-law to coronavirus, the virus his father-in-law believed was a hoax.
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david, very different ways of spending your last few days when you look at biden's schedule and trump's schedule. what do they tell you? >> this is the election as it currently stands. with the states leaning in biden's direction he's at 290. he's over the 270 mark in this estimate. donald trump down at 163. what does he have to do? first he needs to protect the advantage he currently has in pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin, across the great lakes. that's why we saw joe biden pop up in pennsylvania today. it's why we see him going to wisconsin later in the week. erin, where else is he going? he's building an insurance policy because these toss-upstattoss-up states in yellow are close. tomorrow he's going to georgia. he's off to florida, a key
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battle ground state. he's going to iowa. kamala harris is going to texas which is a state leaning in trump's direction. all of that a gravy. joe biden doesn't need any of it. he's already at 290. he has to protect that rust belt region, the great lakes. now he's going and making sure they're insurance policies. here's the thing for donald trump, look at this board. i can give him florida, georgia, north carolina, ohio, iowa and the second congressional district up here in maine. that only gets him to 248. donald trump has to start going places that are already leaning joe biden's direction and pull them back. that's why he's going to arizona this week. he wants to bring that back. that gets him to 259. that's why we saw him with three stops in pennsylvania and we'll see him in michigan and wisconsin tomorrow.
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anyone of these states would get him over 270. he has to dig in to some of that bid biden's territory. so we're joined by a democrat and republican pollster. so we're at this time, people want to see that map and see every possible iteration. joel, let me ask you, spending time in texas and georgia and iowa is about expanding the map. is that a good use of time just eight days out or do you spend every single in the midwest to make sure you don't lose it? >> what's happening now is different than 2016. joe biden in the upper midwest is holding his lead or picking up a point or two in pennsylvania and michigan. that's a different situation than where hillary clinton was and we were losing oxygen about two, two and a half weeks out.
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the trump campaign playing defense in battle ground states makes some sense, but i'm sure we'll see vice president biden and kamala harris in some of those states before this is done. >> neil, what are you hearing from trump voters? the way david was laying this out, he gave trump ohio. he gave trump florida, all those states. still, he has to turn a states that currently leaning biden. what are you hearing about where that best chance is? is it indeed arizona? >> well, i mean, let's go back a second. david seemed like he was measuring the drapes for the biden white house. it's a far cry from that. look at the states where joe biden's campaigning right now. what's interesting is 40% of voters in texas and georgia and iowa have already voted. there's limited returns on that. you know, is it overconfidence
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or are they trying to find more pathways to 270? for the trump campaign there's no doubt it's the campaign path to the 270 electoral college like a tight rope. you've got to have pennsylvania, arizona, florida, north carolina. i would throw in wisconsin. there's simply no margin for error, whereas biden has a little breathing room. >> joel, i remember a couple weeks before the election in 2016 meeting with folks on the hillary clinton team. one of the take aways was expanding the map in texas and georgia. i save the power point to never forget what happened there. is it really different this time when you see joe biden and kamala harris talking at the same two states at the same point? >> yeah, it's very different. in 2016 you'll recall you had two candidates who had high
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unfavorable ratings. both were at 57%. the number one issue in this campaign is the coronavirus which has caused over 225,000 deaths in this country. donald trump's approval rating on handling the coronavirus is about 17 points under water. 40% approve, 57% disapprove. it's a moment to be aggressive. you know what states you feel confident in. some of these states we had already lost oxygen three weeks out in some of these states. that trend is the opposite. pennsylvania, michigan and wisconsin are all holding steady where they were a week ago. at this point in the clinton campaign we were seeing shri shrinkage in some of those states. >> joe biden was in pennsylvania
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today and he responded to the comment by mark meadows making the point that they're not going to control the pandemic. they're going with therapeutics. here's what biden said in pennsylvania. >> 200,000 could die between now and the end of the year. they said we're not going to control it. not going to control it. the bottom line is donald trump is the worst possible president, the worst possible person to try to lead us through this pandemic. >> neil, biden has been making the coronavirus the core of his campaign, right? how big of an impact do you think coronavirus has and trump's handling of it on voter decisions at this time? >> tremendous. it's already baked in. it's baked into the cake right now. voters feel -- how they feel
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about coronavirus and the president. back up. the president has been in office for four years. he presided over a strong economy. he was impeached. he pushed through a last minute supreme court nomination being voted on now. he caught an recovered from coronavirus. is there something else voters need to learn to decide which candidate they're going to vote for in this race? this is all noise. voters already decided who they're voting for. they're just trying to turn out their vote, turn out their base. >> thank you both very much. one small group of undecided voters i'll talk about later in the program that could be very important. thank you for your time. the trump campaign says its ground game will win it for them on election day. what is the reality in key states?
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million voters casting early ballots so far across the united states, already exceeding the total number of votes in 2016. president trump's campaign manager predicts victory over their ground game. >> a ground game matters. in state after state we see the results of president trump's grass roots operation. they don't have a ground game to draw those votes. >> one state where the ground game could make or break it is north carolina. geoff zelleny is out front. >> thank you, north. vote. >> reporter: horns honk for joe biden. >> hello, north carolina.
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>> reporter: the real work is also happening here in the neighborhoods of trump and biden supporters. in the closing days of the race volunteers for the biden campaign are hitting the streets for the first time in eight months after being grounded by the pandemic. >> joe biden, let's hear it. >> reporter: they have gloves, masks and an urgent task. finding voters who still haven't been reached. >> people have been calling and texting and writing and everything they can do and have not heard from these voters. this conversation or this contact is really important. >> reporter: carolyn and scarlet have been itching to knock on doors. >> we have to really get those votes out. >> you wonder what the other side has been doing and if they've been doing it all along? >> we heard the trump campaign
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was canvassing throughout all this. the people we want to elect care about people's lives. that's why this decision was made to not do it. >> reporter: until now team biden has done most of its work virtually while trump has gone full speed ahead with rallies at the center of it all. >> thank you gastonia. >> reporter: to win north carolina, trump is trying to increase his margins. >> that's one of the reasons why we wanted to come here is to energize the base. >> the rally is part of the effort here? >> absolutely. absolutely here and everywhere else he goes. that's the point of him going places. >> reporter: it's not just big rallies. republicans have been going door to door for months. here in charlotte amy burnett is running for state house and she's secretary of the gop. >> it's our job to reach the new
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folks and get our republicans out to vote. >> reporter: north carolina has more than 1.3 new registered voters since 2016. as cases of coronavirus soar, turning out voters is a challenge for both sides, but particularly democrats. >> go to the polls. >> reporter: for biden to win here high enthusiasm among black voters is key. charlotte mayer says she believes democrats have a bigger motivating force. >> this time has been preyed on upon covid and that's why i think people will come out to vote. >> reporter: more than 3 million people have voted early in north carolina. enthusiasm is not a question, but the biden campaign believes they can find more voters through organizing. president trump has been in this state twice over the last six days. there's no question he may be
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the best organizer of all for both sides. erin? >> thank you, geoff. now cedric richmond, congressman good to have you back. congressman, in north carolina, it's a swing state and in a dead heat it appears from the polls. who do you think has the upper hand? you hear what bill stepien says that the ground game for the trump campaign is better than anything in history. >> they also said the coronavirus would disappear. nothing they say is based in fact. the american people are angry this president knew about the coronavirus and knew how serious it was and he covered it up because he was more concerned with re-election than real people. i think people want to voice
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their displeasure and will do it at the ballot box. he's a motivating force within himself. joe biden has done a great job of showing the country his vision and articulating how you get coronavirus under control and this white house just basically admitted they can't control it and so i think it's a good contrast. >> so, you heard geoff talking about -- the thing about north carolina that's so fascinating is there are so many different voters blocks. he specifically talked about the african-american vote. we have seen across this country black voters going to the polls at hutmuch higher rates. in the latest quinnipiac poll biden beating trump 81 to 5 with black voters. that's a better margin.
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13% according to this quinnipiac vote either didn't know who they were going to vote for or had no answer. is that a canary in the coal mine? >> no, i don't think so at all. one question would be out of that 13%, you know, maybe they didn't want to answer. will they, in fact, go out and vote? that's a concern. it's something we're paying attention to. everybody talks about 2016. what no one talks about is the number of young black americans that did vote, but they voted for the independent.
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we're turning over every stone to communicate with african-american voters, latino voters, female voters, everybody. we're optimistic they're coming out and we have a great organizing game. we're confident it's going to pay dividends on election day. >> senior advise jared kushner has been making the case about the president's funding for historically black colleges and universities, these opportunity zones. today kushner questioned whether black americans want to be successful. let me play the bite and you respond to it. here's jared kushner. >> one thing we've seen in a lot of the black community, which is mostly democrat, president trump's policies are the policies that can help people break out of the problems they're complaining about. he can't want them to be successful more than they want to be successful.
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>> congressman, what do you say to jared kushner? >> it's white privilege. it's ignorance, but it's expected coming from this white house. trump talks about his funding for historically black colleges, but what he doesn't tell people where he said no one can teach diversity inclusion training and race specific policies will jeopardize your federal funding. i read an article today that puts hbcu funding in jeopardy because they teach a robust and thorough history of this country, including slavery, including our fight to be a more perfect union. he would stop funding to hbcus because they teach that. jared kushner -- first of all, black people are not complaining. they're articulating the systemic racism in this country. they're advocating for lpolicin
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reform because unarmed black people are being killed by the police. this whole thought that the president wants successful black people more than black people is consistent ignorance coming out of the white house. >> congressman, i appreciate your time, thank you. >> thank you. a minnesota state senator loses his father-in-law to coronavirus, a virus his father-in-law thought was a hoax. the message for americans not taking the virus seriously. senators are moments away from a historic vote of judge amy coney barrett's nomination to the supreme court. election...
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breaking news, the minnesota department of heat reporting three coronavirus outbreaks in the state tied to three trump campaign's in september. it comes as vice president mike pence held an event earlier in minnesota. minnesota tonight recording record hospitalizations. more than 1,000 cases for 19 consecutive days. matt klein is a state senator in minnesota, a doctor and he lost his father-in-law to coronavirus earlier this month. senator klein, i'm sorry for your loss. i know he was dear to you and your children. you're here tonight because of his experience with this virus, both how he viewed it and how he died from it. i know it's something you wanted to share, that he had believed coming into it that it was a hoax. tell me about the conversations you had with him about the
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pandemic. >> well, you know, first of all, let me say my father-in-law was a giant of a man. he was a hero. he was a blue ribbon grandpa who was vigorous and built a log cabin and built a small business into a large business. he was skeptical that the coronavirus was a democratic exaggeration. he was skeptical and thought masks and distances were weird. like a lot of families i'm a democratic senator. he was a life long republican. we had passionate political disagreements. unfortunately the coronavirus caught up with him. >> as you say, he was a trump spporter. you talked about him -- you talked with him about wearing masks. you talked to him and social distancing. what did he say to you? >> this is a symptom of the times. we always had a good relationship. i know he loved me. i
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i think he's suspicious. i would advise him to wear masks and distance socially and follow regulations. he was skeptical. >> what happened? >> how did he end up getting it? >> over labor day in wisconsin, they had a large operate there, the court is struck down and their governor's executive orders suggesting public health measures, the culture is very open and people were largely not masked and crowded in public spaces like bars and restaurants. my father-in-law caught the virus in wallaisconsiwisconsin. he became ill. his granddaughter drove him to the hospital and that was the last our family saw of him.
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he became very ill and on a ventilator and we said good-bye to him over the telephone and he died on october 7th. >> you said he was in wisconsin and president trump was in wisconsin and he was talking about why cases of deaths were so high in the united states. doctors in hospitals are inflating the numbers, the death numbers to get more money. >> i want to play for you what he says. if somebody is very sick and they die of covid and they don't get money. i wonder why this case is so low. this country is not doing it right. i believe after this you are going to the hospital to treat patients. when you hear this as a doctor
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and someone who lost your father-in-law and in part of believes of what the president says about covid, what do you think you are artificially inflating covid deaths to get paid more money. >> this is a president who called our fallen veterans losers and suckers and didn't understand what was in it for them. i had no doubt that he would require financial infinitive. he clearly does not have an understanding of what sacrifice duties mean. we know why we are there and we are doing it for the right reasons. what's most offensive about that statement was he made it into wisconsin. large public event where once again social distancing was not practiced. i felt additional slap in the face to my father-in-law's
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demi demise. >> what's the lesson you want people to learn from what happened to your father-in-law? >> i love my father-in-law. i know he loved me. like a lot of families, we have strong political differences. somehow public health can't be one of those political differences. we got to trust that we want to care for each other and do the right thing for each other and we are not out to trick people or impose a political agenda. we want to get through this together and be safe and healthy as a country. >> i appreciate your time dr. klein. thank you. >> thank you erin. next breaking news, a win for republicans tonight. the supreme court blocking an extension for deadline for male mail in votes. we are only left with a few days. what it could mean, next. ♪ ...you feel like a big deal. ♪ priceline. every trip is a big deal.
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breaking news, the u.s. supreme court extending counting the mail-in absentee ballots. our election law analyst and author of "election melt down," all right, put this into english, democrats more days to count, what changes here and how
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significance is it, rick hasen. >> it was a 5-3 vote. and three liberals on the court decenting and says this is going to lead to disenfranchise of voters. getting this deadline now, for anyone who did not plan for this to happen, they have to postmark or it is not going to count. that's what it means in wisconsin. it means there could be other ways to get your ballot back. you may not rely on the u.s. post office. that's the best way to go right now. >> in pennsylvania, the supreme court extended the deadline
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three days after the election in terms to count. the republicans are asking the supreme court to reverse that decision. so is this wisconsin now precedent? what does it mean? >> it is a different situation. the pennsylvania extension came from the state's court rather than federal court. justice kagan and justice roberts say we may treat it differently and justice brett kavanaugh says no. we are running up against the clock. >> the bottom line, any other cases you are watching it closely here? >> we are almost done at the supreme court before the election but if it is close, it could be looking at the cases after the election as well. >> certainly and all these questions across the country. i know florida and thousands of ballots and questions of signatures and all of these things can matter in a tight race. rick, i appreciate your time.
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thank you very much. >> thank you very much for being with me. a.c. "360" with anderson begins right now. >> if you are wondering what it looks like, the supreme court, no efforts of focusing on the goal of achieving it. if all goes as expected judge amy coney barrett will be confirmed tonight. the site of a new covid cluster as well, five people close to vice president pence have the virus including his chief of staff, it underscores even what his s