that he's chasing single electoral votes n. maine on under the -- >> you'll been oebay tonight. >> reporter: and tonight in nebraska. these states are the only two in america that split their electoral votes by congressional district rather than awe winner take all model. but his visits to both of them highlight how his political path is complicated by political math with early voting already breaking records. here's why nebraska's single electoral vote matters. if biden gets it, he could get it simply by flipping michigan and wisconsin. barack obama won this omaha area in 2008 but his path to the white house hardly depended on it. in the final stretch of the race, democrats are playing on trump's terrain, hoping to expand the map. joe biden in maine, eyeing an electoral vote that went for trump four years ago. >> tell me, maine, are you ready

to go out and vote? >> reporter: and her husband in georgia which hasn't gone democratic since 1992. >> i believe america and american hope, not fear, unity, not division. love not hate. >> the president is on dechfens working to hold ground he won last time. rallying supporters today in michigan and wisconsin before stopping in nebraska. the latest sign he does not have a single electoral vote to spare. >> reporter: now, everyone at these rallies, anderson, without question is already supporting the president. but they're also told to find nine other people over the next week to make their case for president trump. but that certainly is one reason the president is here in deep red nebraska on a cold october night, trying to make his case, also looking across the river to iowa voters. but anderson, he wouldn't be

here if he didn't need every single vote on this side. >> that's quite a playlist they've got. jeff zeleny, thanks very much. after a race like no other, join us for live coverage of the ballot count the way only cnn can bring it to you. see what's happening across the state and country. "election night in america" kicks off next tuesday at 4:00 p.m. eastern. the news continues. the news continues. let's hand it over to chris. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >>exciting. understatement of the year. one more week. today, this is the last tuesday we have that's anything resembling normal. the next tuesday we have, we will be entering the vote counting crucible. the big question, will we know who won next tuesday? maybe not. why? durcht states have different rules for counting ballots even among the swing state,

especially among them. but the elephant in the room, the biggest factor influencing the ability to vote and potentially the choice of candidate is the pandemic. many key states are getting hit worse than ever just when the ability to move around safely matters most. florida, more than 4,000 new cases there just today. the president said, oh, yeah, it was a spike, but it went away. no, it's gotten worse. michigan, wisconsin, where trump just went stumping tonight. wisconsin hospitals are completely overwhelmed. icu beds have reached 87% of capacity, and we are months away from where we thought the crisis would happen, months away. months early. how many will vote early out of fear? 68 million have already, way ahead of the pace four years ago. but cases are exploding as well. we're getting close to double the case number where we wer this summer as a rate.

we're around 40. now we're at 70 plus. so, how many will stay home? how many will vote to punish trump for his inaction? how many believe that biden will actually make good on his promises of better? one thing is for sure. we are actually right now exactly where we didn't want to be. for months trump has been begged by many of us in the media, by insiders and experts, first responders, essential workers and health care to get the government to get together a real plan to fight covid and get it under control. all hands on deck. think about the last time that a major battle or effort in america didn't even have a name. the vaccine effort does, right? operation r warp speed. but trump's effort to fight covid doesn't even exist. he can't even name you something. there is no plan. there is no operation.

there is no anything. remember though he kept saying covid was a hoax, when he was told about what was happening as we got into november, if nothing happened to abate the pandemic -- remember he had the wild notion not to do something radical to fight the virus but to move the election so that americans could properly, securely and safely vote because he wanted to buy time, not buy you safety. remember he said, i can do it myself, you know. of course he was wrong. he was wrong about that as he was wrong about not going all in to stop the virus. and now we can add another victim to the pandemic toll, the election. and it is in this precarious moment that we are realizing covid is worse than ever and we are faced with two candidates making their closing arguments for your vote one week away, if you haven't voted already or you don't decide to vote tonight. now, biden sees the pandemic as front and center. he sees the country in need of

healing and on multiple levels. his cure for all of it is the same. come together, come directly at what is making us sick physically, culturally and politically, and come to a better place. >> clear the decks for action, for we will act. we will act on the first day of my presidency to get covid under control. we can and we will control this virus. as president, i will never wave the white flag of surrender. >> they are completely going in opposite directions on this point. trump argues just as vigorously the exact opposite. he had the white house office list ending the pandemic as an achievement. seriously the pandemic is over? if it were any farther from over, it wouldn't have happened yet. he wants you to believe that when it comes to covid and anything else, the cure is only

one thing. you must believe only him. >> turn on, covid, covid, covid, covid, covid, covid, covid, covid, covid, covid, covid, covid, whoa, we have a spike in cases. we're testing everybody. in many ways i hate it. in many wies i hate it. we test everybody. they use it to make us look abad. >> no, you make you look bad. that's all it takes. we're testing everybody. if we're testing too much, ask yourself why does the positive rate keep increasing? if we're testing too much, the rate of positivity should stay the same. then you know you just have more reinforcement of the same data point. if you're testing too much, why are the hospitals filling up? the better question is, mr. president, why lie? why deny what everyone knows this country is living when you have the tools, the money, and you should have the wherewithal

to do so much more? a week from the election and here we are. and by the way, it's not the only moment of crisis. another black man shot and killed by police in a key state of pennsylvania. walter wallace, jr. the name we must now all know. just 27, killed yesterday in front of his mom in philadelphia. she was chasing after him, begging cops not to shoot a man who was clearly in mental distress. you don't have to believe me. there's tape. and it is so sad. you will feel yourself watching it. you can see that the police don't know what to do. they don't know how to make the situation any different from the way it's unfolding. you see the mother's desperation, and you'll feel yourself saying, don't, don't, don't, just like his mother was. the biden team put out a statement on the shooting today, an earlier pledge to address

systemic racism in this country. for biden the first step to dealing with the virus of racism or the coronavirus is to get a president who cares about fighting these problems. >> president who is not in it for himself but for others, a president who doesn't divide us but unites us, a president who appeals not to the worst in us but to the best. i will govern as an american president. i'll work as hard for those who don't support me as for those who do. that's the job of a president, a duty of care for everyone. >> there certainly is a need for care. we are certainly a country in crisis. those things we know. what we don't know is what happens next. let's bring in david gregory and howard dean. i would be remiss if i did not say that the proof of how wrong the president was to say that

the pandemic affects just about nobody is that david gregory got the virus and dealt with it like it was a bad cold. we were in touch during it, and i was jealous of your strength, your quiet persistence, and how you just vanquished the virus in a matter of days. thank god for you and the rest of your family. i'm glad to see you, brother. >> thank you, brother. i apraepreciate your counsel. i wasn't that brave. it took a while. i'm 14 days now and i'm finally back. and i was very fortunate. i was very lucky to be able to deal with it at home, but certainly difficult. and i'm just very happy to be on the other side. >> now that you're in the family, you are acutely aware of the situation before, but having lived through it now and seeing how many people there are exactly like you, how big a deal do you think the virus will be at this election this year on

people's minds? >> you know, i just think it's so huge because especially, unfortunately with more cases, more hospitalizations, more fear, you know, the psychological piece, which i know you experienced and i experienced as well is so different because you're afraid even when you're in an unfortunate situation like me where i was recovering at home, you're afraid it could get worse. it's not like what we know of a cold or flu. i think that's what people are fearful of. they want leadership and they ask themselves in a time of voting how has our leader handled this? and in any presidential election, you really want it to be a choice, not purely a referendum. and in this case, i think it's so much a referendum on the president's leadership on a crisis that is not abating, that we are not vang wishing. and i think that weighed really heavily and i think that's very bad for the president. >> biden talks about coronavirus

as a metaphor for everything that needs fixing. is he making the right move? >> he is. and i think he's getting stronger as the campaign goes on. i agree with david that these elections are almost -- these midterm -- i mean these second-term elections are almost always ref renda on the president. biden is proposing a traditional way to lead and trump is not leading. trump's problem is not that he's conservative. his problem is that he's crazy and he's incapable of thinking about anybody but himself. joe biden has learned that is exactly the wrong way to approach very difficult things. >> david what do you think biden's biggest challenge is to pulling this off with the tallying that's going on right now up through, depending a couple of case turnouts, a few days after november 3rd? >> well, two things. one, is there an aspect of 2016,

which is people ultimately go in to vote or they voted early. and despite what we're seeing in the polls, they're making a different decision, more of a gut decision to stick by trump. the other thing is the fear factor. i think this election is all about fear on both sides. but the fear of biden that trump is trying to expose is, hey, voters say maybe i'm done with trump, but i'm afraid of the left and i'm afraid -- biden see seems like a nice guy but the left is going to be in control and they're going to push and push on stuff i don't like. even on the virus, maybe they're going to start shutting down again and i don't have a job. i don't have a prospect. maybe they're not going to reopen my kids' school because people have a shutdown mentality. i think those fears are real and i just don't know how big that group is beyond the president's base. >> howard, speak out to the role of fear and who you think it

helps more in this race. and which party do you think has positioned itself better to deal with the discount effect of the pandemic on election day? >> well, trump is the republican party, so they obviously did not position themselves terribly well. i think the democrats have done a pretty good job positioning themselves. again, i would give the credit to joe biden. many people wanted somebody younger and somebody more dynamic and somebody further left. he is the right candidate for this situation. he is -- he has experience, which i think means a lot to people, especially when you compare with trump who had none and still seems to have none. i think we're running both a positive campaign and a reassuring campaign. i really do. and i don't say that because i'm a biden guy. i stay neutral because of my involvement in the database stuff. >> i hear you. but the nuts and bolts aspect of it, david, looking at the numbers you've got, early voting has surpassed 58.3 million

pre-election votes cast in 2016, 66 million or so and the number always moving. a lot of them are being cast by democrats in what we can see. election day is a huge push for the gop. election day voters, by percentage, we expect republicans to come out strong. that means you had to prepare your ranks for the fear of voting in the midst of a pandemic where the cases are spiking in a lot of the key states, wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania, florida. they're going to have scary situations to wander out and stand in line in. >> i think there's no question about that. and the president has tried to pump up his ranks to win on that last day, to try to make a stand in some of these battleground states. i think it's important, the crowds and lines and the fear of suppression or intimidation is a factor in some of these states.

but i think the governor speaks to it. there's so much motivation. there's a lot of fear. there's so much anger. i think there is a real sense that big things are on the ballot and it's not just issues. it is who we are. it's who we want to be as a country. i thought that -- i thought biden was smart in a closing message to talk about the bible and e how it's time to get out of ditch here and get back on an even keel. can we just stop the madness a little bit. i think that resonates. i think that's a bigger motivator. i think there's a cumulative experience of these years that people are going to cast a ballot on just as at the end of bush years i think there was a desire for the united states to reorient itself in the world, to stop a posture of war, to stop

some of the perceived excesses to the response to the war on terror. people wanted that reset. i think we're in a similar place yet the social fabric has been torn even worse than it was in those year. >> yeah, i think that the closest analog and the people will be bored by the history of it. but if you look at hoover versus fdr, hoover made the mistake of denying the depth of the depression, that it was just a short-term bounce, it would come back. he didn't do anything big. he believed he should play it down. fdr obviously went 180 degrees the other way. and i think the more of biden doing that, i'm going to go big, i'm going to help the businesses, i'm going to help people, i'm going to throw everything at this. forget about pretending it doesn't exist, it's going to be the only thing that exists in term of our engine for recovery. i think this race looks a lot olike that. david gregory, howard dean, appreciate you both. we'll be speaking plenty. seven days is going to sound like seven months at the end of

it. another aspect of this we have to drill into more is this record early voting. who? where? young people. okay. now, they have finally come into their own in terms of a pool of eligibles. they could make an impact wechlt saw it in 2018. what are we seeing here? are there early signs? the answer is yes. are they more engaged? if so, where and on what? the wizards of odds has the numbers on what could be a legitimate x factor. we saw it in 2018. will we see it in seven days? next. u! someone out there needs help customizing their car insurance with liberty mutual, so they only pay for what they need. false alarm. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

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some numbers, but more so some context. 68 million americans have already cast their ballots. that's over half of the total vote in 2016. is that meaningful or meaningless data? well, it's certainly meaningful when you look at who has voted. not by party. i believe that partisan preference is becoming less a defining element of who we are as voters. but if you look at it by age, now you see something interesting. how much so and to what effect? good questions. to answer them, the wizard of odds, harry inton is here. impress me, young man, with the other young people. >> i'm not that young anymore, my goodness. >> i have shoes that are older than you. >> there you go. here's the situation. let's take a look at who's turning out to vote this year

and compare it to where we were four years ago at this point. look at the share of voters turning out early who are under the age of 40 this year. right now, 22%. compares to now in 2016, it was 14%. obviously we will see what occurs on election. but this lines up with what we saw in 2018 where younger voters made up a larger piece of the pie in midterm. >> who do they like? >> they like joe biden. joe biden is leading with those voters by about 20 points, up 56% to 37%. and that is what we've seen consistently over the last few years as the millennials have come up. there's no doubt that the more younger voters turn out the better it is for the former vice president. >> now, in one of the very funny conversations we have that people don't get to see, more

and more the best part of the show happens before it it happens or during commercial. i said to you, boy, i'm surprised they would like biden issue for issue with all due respect to the former vp. and you said, that's because it's not about liking him. it's about not liking trump. how much so and how do you know? >> yeah. so, look at this. take a look at the favorable and unfavorable ratings above biden and trump among registered voters above the age 40. biden is 51% to 44%. that's not anywhere we saw in the horse race numbers. what's driving. 61% of registered voters under the age of 40 have an unfavorable view of donald trump. that's really what's driving this. it's honestly for a lot of young voters the deep dislike of the president of the united states. >> how are they dispersd in terms of states that matter. >> if you want to look at young voters, i would specifically look at arizona would be a good example of a place where there

are a lot of up and coming, especially among hispanics and especially in a state like texas. if biden's going to flip that state, i think young voters there are very important. if joe biden gets young voters to turn out in texas, he has a shot at turning that state blue. >> you keep talking about arizona. why? >> if you look at these states here, if you're looking at biden's road to 270, the easiest pathway is through the upper midwest. you win in michigan. win in nebraska second congressional district. win in wisconsin, pennsylvania. that gets you to 279. say biden was to fall in one of those states. if you add in arizona with its 11 electoral votes and you take away the 20 from pennsylvania, you still get joe biden to 270 electoral votes exactly. and right now biden is ahead in the arizona average by four points. so, he's leading there and it's a very, very important state if one of the states in the upper midwest falls through for him.

>> if we're counting the second congressional district in nebraska with it's one electoral vote, this is going to be a very close vote on tuesday if it ends on tuesday. thank you very much. when you get your taxes mailed off, when do you need them postmarked by? april 15th. then you're all set with the irs, with the man. no mat wher they get it, you're covered. that is not the standard for our votes even this year. so, we have two attorneys general who are in the middle of a fight to count every vote in their battleground state because think about it. you have the president telling you we've got to have a legitimate election. we don't want all these other votes. but isn't that what makes it legitimate is if you count all the votes. the impact of the new conservative superma joir ton the election and specifically pennsylvania next. ying througho] it's more than just a house. it's a kitchen that's been passed down, along with the recipes. three generations on the wall... with room to grow. the rhythm of home...

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pennsylvania, key state. and in both of them we're seeing two things, lines of people waiting to vote and the virus exploding. okay. that is a horrible combination. now, throw into the mix uncertainty about one of the ways people can vote safely. according to state law in both places f you're in line to vote on election night when the polls close, you still get to vote. that same rule may not be true if your ballot is in line with the post office. we have the latest on a pair of pivotal supreme court cases which now may have a different disposition, especially in pennsylvania, because of the latest justice. we have the key players from both states. perfect. let's again in pa where republicans want the high court to hear a case they just ruled on last week. the gop wants to make sure absentee votes only count if they arrive by election day no matter when they are post-marked.

let's start with josh shapiro. first of all, how are they able to go back to the court after the court sent it down and said respect the state court's ruling. >> well, technically speaking, last week the court deadlocked 4-4 on the request for a stay, basically staying or stopping state law that says you can get the three days to receive the ballots, assuming they were postmarked by the time the polls closed. what now the republicans from pennsylvania are asking the supreme court to do is to hear this case on the merits. they've effectively asked for something called the attention of the court to consider this. it's important to note that the united states supreme court has not granted krert. they have not yet determined whether or not they would even hear this case, chris. >> so, what's your fear? >> i don't know that i have a fear. i recognize that justice barrett being on the court now creates a

nine-person court. she obviously will have a pivotal vote, should this case come back up. but everybody talks a lot about how this is now a 6-3 conservative court, a court that strictly reads the statutes, strictly reads the constitution. a careful reading of the statute, and specifically of a legal principle known as the purcell principle would actually suggest that by a vote of hopely 9-0, they would let our state law stand. let me explain why. the purcell principle says that the federal court should give great deference to matters of state election law. and that deference is even more heightened the closer you get to an election. well, chris, we'red in midst of an e lks. 2 million pennsylvanians have already voted. we expect record turnout by election day. an election is going on.

the purcell principle makes clear that at this point in time the federal courts should not interfere with pennsylvania state election law. >> what do you read into the chief justice roberts flipping on the wisconsin decision, which we'll get into more. but there the court said no, wisconsin, you can't have the extended timeline. the rationale was because a federal court started this. it's not coming to us from a state court determination. but roberts flipped on that one, and he was in favor of the other conservative judge's decision of holding wisconsin to no extra days. >> yeah, and chris, you just hit the nail on the head. i want to pull out what you said there and really focus on it for a second. the united states supreme court was reacting the to a decision made by a federal court dealing with the issue in wisconsin. that's a very different procedural set up than what we're dealing with in pennsylvania, where the highest court in our state, our state

supreme court, interpreted a matter of state law. under the purcell principle, that really should be the final word on this. and the federal court should not meddle in this issue that has been heard by the state's highest court. that's a very different procedural issue than what came in wisconsin. >> last thing, one of the operative principles is when people are relying on something to be a certain way and you're going to change it, you're going to create a forfeit chur of rights, forfeiture of access, confusion at a sensitive time. what is your concern given the outbreak of cases given what people think they know on how to vote to avoid covid, what happens if this goes south on you? >> we keep telling people make your plan to vote, whether you're voting early or voting on election day. make your plan to vote, whoever your preferred candidate is. i hate to nerd out on you and keep coming back to the purcell

principle. but one of the reasons why the federal courts are not supposed to meddle in the state election law matters is because, number one, it could confuse the voters. and number two, it makes it harder on the election officials who are really just county employees and volunteers in the counties to run the election. so, you speak to the very reason why the federal courts at this late stage shouldn't step in and meddle with our state election laws. let us have an election. look, the reason we're in these situations, chris, is because the president has been unbelievably he traumatic brain injurys you. he's tried to undermine our voting process here in pennsylvania. he has sued us. there's been five cases. he went 0-5. we're 5-0 to protect the rights of all voters here in pennsylvania. to secure that right and to make sure that their ballots are counted. that's my job as the attorney general. unfortunately, we're having to beat back attempts by this president to undermine the vote. the good news is we're winning. we're in the midst of an election. it's time to just let people vote.

>> let's see what happens. sir, you're welcome back on the show to argue the merits if that accept is taken. attorney general josh purcell shapiro. thank you very much. let's turn to wisconsin where the u.s. supreme court just denied an attempt to extend their deadline for counting mail-in ballots wechlt have josh paul, the wisconsin attorney general and rick pilldes a law professor found his own words being used as part of a dissenting position by judge kavanaugh. but he says they were taken out of context. distinction with a difference. this is about our supreme court going through our state law and reckoning of our constitution. we're good. if you want wisconsin to be about federal law, then the judge can come to a different decision so the supreme court did what it did. do you believe wisconsin was treated fairly by the supreme court? >> well t rule is now clear that voters in wisconsin need to get

their absentee balance t los in election day. a lot of absentee ballots have gone out. a lot have been sent back in. for voters who have an absentee ballot, i encourage you to return it to a dropbox now or take it to a clerk's office. putting it in the mail at this point one week before election day is too risky. so, i'm encouraging people to drop those ballots off in person. >> why is a week in the long enough? >> unfortunately the postal service is not working as quickly as it used to. my colleague ag shapiro in pennsylvania and i and others have challenged the rollbacks to the post office and we have won and we've been successful. but the post office hasn't gotten back to the efficiency it used to be at. we're encouraging people to get the ballots in in person.

>> how big a deal is this hardship potentially given the case explosion in your state? >> the good news is that we're in a really different position than we were in april. we had a high profile election a few weeks after covid hit the u.s. and that's an election that in my view never should have taking place on that date. now clerks have had months to prepare. they've had time to make sure people are following safety protocols like socially distancing and they have hand sanitizer. so, i believe people voting in wisconsin now are going to be safe both from the pandemic and from any other concerns. >> then why is the handsome professor with us. i'll tell you why. in justice kavanaugh's opinion in this case, he quoted a law review article. and it said the following. the states are aware of the risks described by professor pildes, late arrives ballots

open up the greatest risk of what might in our era of hyperpolarized political parties destabilize the election results. you say, professor, happy to be quoted but get it right. you were taken out of context. how so? >> i was certainly quoted accurately and it's been my view since march that we do want to encourage as many ballots to be cast and received by election day as possible. we want to encourage voters to do that. but i was writing to policy makers. i didn't say anything about courts, what they should or shouldn't do, what legal doctrine should or shouldn't be here, and actually i urged policy makers to consider extending the absentee receipt deadline given the huge volume of boll lots we're going to see and given potential delays in the postal service. i still believe and have said all along, chris, that if people can vote in person, they ought to do it whether early or election day as long as they're not particularly in vulnerable categories. or if they vote absentee, drop

that ballot off in person, return it to the election office in person. and if you mail it, mail it very early. this is very late already now. >> so, what troubles you about what you read in the judge's decision? >> well, my concern is that i was not speaking to the courts about what the courts should or shouldn't do. >> what's the difference between speaking to policy matters and speaking to a court? explain to people. >> there's a fundamental difference between making policy and what constitutional doctrine constrains policy makers to do. policy make rs have lots of discretion about how to regulate the process. courts have a much more minimal role in that proin that process. >> and what do you think that's going to mean having these kinds of decisions limiting -- especially pennsylvania comes back up before the court. do you think that could happen? and what could the impact be especially in the covid environment with people being so worried about going to the polls? >> i would be absolutely stunned

if the supreme court now reversed course in pennsylvania and said he's ballots three days after the election are not valid votes. i doubt the court will do that. the court has already refused to intervene there. i think it's very likely down the road the court will hear the pennsylvania case and will conclude going forward for future elections that courts cannot do what the pennsylvania court did. i think that's likely, but i don't think the court is going to pull the rug out from voters in enapproximapennsylvania who now on the supreme court saying we're not going to stop that three-day extension. >> we will see. mr. attorney general, thank you very much. professor, as always, appreciate it. >> thank you very much. i'll tell you, you have the election and you have the pandemic and they are literally on a collision course. and of course this is all we're talking about. what matters more? we're in the middle of a pandemic and we are in the middle of a definitional

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second night, protests underway after the shooting death of 27-year-old walter wallace, jr., by philadelphia police. officers were called to the scene monday. why? report of a man with a knife. they showed up. they found a man with a knife. cell phone video shows us what happened next. it's absolutely disturbing, and it's absolutely reality. and we need to see it if we want to deal with it. [ bleep ] [ sound of gunfire ] [ screaming ]

>> now, the woman you saw in the video chasing the man in black was his mother. and she was pleading with him to calm down and try to control himself. why? because walter wallace, jr., was in distress. the family says it alerted police that wallace, jr., had mental health issues, that police needed to use de-escalation tactics. they didn't have to have tasers. walter wallace, sr., joins us now alongside the family attorney shack ka'john son. i'm sorry to meet you under these circumstances. i want to make sure the country knows this happened, understands your pain and understands what you want them to know. let's begin with not letting your son be defined by what took him out of this world but what made him important while he was

here. what do you want people to know about your son? >> well, i want people to know i don't all this violence and looting. i don't want to leave a bad scar on my son and my family with this looting and on with the police department, looting stores, burning -- i mean, this is where we live, and that's the only community resource we have. if we take all the resource and burn it down, we don't have anything. so i want my son name and everybody to stop this, you know, give my son a chance and our family like we're decent people, you know what i mean? i don't want to be targeted like we're animals. we deserve respect. anybody in the public to have respect for our family to pray for us, to cut it out, because

the looting is very -- mind-set, you know what i mean? >> right. >> it's not going to bring my son back. it's not going to escalate things, worse instead of better. i have this man beside me, my family and everybody else to send s.o.s. out to tell people to stop this looting and stop burning our city down. >> i hear you. >> it's not going to solve anything. it's just going to make things worse. >> i hear you. it absolutely does. you want justice, not more injustice, even if people are doing it in the name of justice. >> yeah, yeah. i want it done by the legal way. >> understood. and let's get what that's about. counsellor, did i have it right that people told the police from the family or on behalf of the family that walter was dealing with mental health issues, that he was in distress, he was on

medication, and they should deal with him that way? >> good evening, chris, and thank you for having us. yes, you got it exactly right. the officers who responded at the fatal time in question were apprised that mr. wallace was in crisis. they were told by his wife before the video that has now gone viral was recorded. his wife said, he's manic, he's bipolar, and he's in crisis. unfortunately the officers were not equipped with, a, the training or, b, the proper equipment to deal with a person who is experiencing crisis in that moment. you don't deal with crisis with a firearm. you don't meet a person who is experiencing a mental health crisis or break down or having some sort of mental infirmity. you don't meet them with a firearm. unfortunately, the officers who did not have less than lethal

options ton their gun belt had only one option to turn to, that was to execute a death sentence on mr. wallace. >> mr. wallace, do you believe this was about color or condition, his mental health, and the police inability to deal with it or both? >> no, i believe it's both because they overlook things. it's what we call common sense. i mean, you have to look at things. if somebody tell you something, you know, we're told to take that and respect it. you tell me something, i overlook it, don't pay you no mind, na meathat means i should paying the cause of taking somebody's life. it could have been dealt in a different way. he could have called his superior to handle the situation, you know what i mean? >> do you think your son would have hurt the officers? >> no, he can't hurt a god damn

fly, you know what i mean? he can't even inflict his self. he had mental issue. it could have been dealt with. i mean, i wouldn't be talking to you now. i mean, i believe, i believe in the justice system. we got good, we got good cops and we all sure got bad cops. we all have to be held accountable for what we do in life, all of us. >> can i add something to that, chris? >> go ahead, counselor. >> one of the things we've spoken about since the on set of this particular issue, one of the things we talked about almost immediately was the fact the officers, vis-a-vis the police department, did not have what they needed. there wasn't on a less than lethal option available. to your question -- >> tasers? >> they didn't have tasers, which is important. i can't think of a scenario that is better designed for the

deployment of an electronic control device than this particular scenario here where you respond to an incident. you are given some preliminary information that officers don't have, a person is in mental decline, mental crisis, and the person displays a weapon. not the kind of weapon that can hurt you from a distance, but close quarters combat. and you're outside, so you don't have the element of being indoors, contained. the best thing, the philadelphia police department has not armed them with less than lethal weapons. there's no priority put on that particular thing. so when you say with respect, is this race, is this color -- when you gave us those scenarios to choose from, i have to wonder. you have a $730 million budget annually and you do not put priority on less lethal methods, but every training academy you

give officers a badge, you give them a gun, you give them rounds of ammunition, and you train them how to kill. >> kill. >> you train them how to hit center plexigla center mass and head shots -- >> you set them up for failure if they have to deal with more sophisticated -- >> you are setting them up. you are setting the community up. it is a lose/lose situation. in this scenario i feel -- obviously my heart is wrenched. it goes out to my client and the family, the people watching: the officers were not even given an option vis-a-vis their lack of equipment. >> i hear you. i don't want to let you go, mr. wallace, again extending my condolences to the family, promi promising you we'll stay with the story. send my best to your wife. i can't imagine her pain. please let her know as she comes across on that tape, she's doing

anything any mother would have done to help her child, and i hope she's okay. >> thank you, and i appreciate, i really do. you know what i mean, from being on here, expressing my opinion. thank you very much, thank you very much. >> and for take an interest, quite frankly, in what's going on here. it's not a local story and i thank you for taking interest in it. >> if we don't have each other, we don't have anything. thank you, we're a call away. again, my condolences to mother wallace. we've got to be better than this. we've got to be better than this. we've got to be better than this. we'll be right back. while keeping your business growing has you swamped. (♪ ) you need to hire i need indeed indeed you do. the moment you sponsor a job on indeed you get a shortlist of quality candidates

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