2016. the same story, erin, in tucson. so when it comes to early ballots, it is being smashed when it comes to records. >> thank you very much. keep it here in new york. a state that everyone assuming it is a go. three hours of wait. thanks for joining us, "anderson cooper 360" starts now. good evening. it is just six days. >> the virus does not have a preferred candidate. according to health e experts, that's what it will do. tonight we are getting a reminder of how cynical the trump administration have always been about the pandemic that

killed 228,000 americans. we know from the worst, the president's son-in-law on tape of new released clip that we never heard before. that's all the messy work. the stuff that you may get blamed for. the plan was take credit for success and human lives be dammed. it is really that simple. jared kushner said it himself. bob woodward joins us later

tonight. the data came to johns hopkins university reported of 70,000 new covid-19 cases for the day and 985 deaths. >> that's a bad position to be in. as we continue into the cool months of the fall and soon cold months of the winter, we are starting to see something going in the wrong direction. >> that's dr. fauci heeded warning of going in the wrong direction. the peak was in 70,000 in july,

we are much less in july but those are going up. those are real. we know deaths are increasing unfortunately. so we do assess that the cases are actually going up. hospitalizations and deaths are going up. >> the outlook is grim and i am quoting from it, we continue to see unrelenting communities spread in the upper midwest, wisconsin, more than 3800 new cases and a staggering 22% positivity rate. kansas officials, people in icu beds, governor there ordered flags flying half staff to honor the lives loss. indiana officials say they're seeing the highest number of people hospitalized since the pandemic began. this is the part where we'll play you a clip of the president saying we are rounding the turn or light at the end of the

tunnel, we are not going to play that for you tonight because he's not saying it but he is. he's still complaining of too much testing and holding potential super spreader campaign events. there's no reason to show it, it is no longer news. news would be the president encouraging people to wear a mask. that would be news. to do it for their friends and neighbors. new would be the president addressing the pandemic honestly. the president and his people are doing none of those things. declaring is absurd and let alone obscene. >> how could ending the pandemic be the top accomplishment of the white house sf? >> i think the president took on this issue early on. >> did you think it is ended?

>> i am not talking about ending it. do you think the pandemic ended? >> right? >> we are moving in the right direction. >> but almost a thousand people dying. >> why does it say it is ending, do you think it ended. >> do you think that's wrong? >> i don't know. i am not seeing the document. >> i am reading it to you. >> we are moving in the right direction. >> that person is a paid spokesperson for the white house. sad. 985 americans died yesterday because of covid. they're dead. the efforts warned it could get worse and hear it for yourself with bob woodward joining us. it has long been the plan of this president to not take responsibility. that was the plan.

>> the last thing was kind of doing the guidelines which was interesting. my mind was almost like trump getting the country back from the doctors in a sense that he's opening things up. >> trying to control the country. trump got it back from the doctors. open it up. getting the country back from the doctor and he'll own the open up. meaning dodge the blame. claim credit for the open up, that's what he's still doing.

only 39% say that he'll do a better job as opposed to 57% for joe biden, double the deaths he had back in april. of course in some of the states where the pandemic raging hard, people have therebeen thrown in pipe with tens of millions. here is jon king. president trump made two stops in arizona today. senator harris held a rally in tucson. >> one of the reasons we have joe biden across the finish line because he's rewriting the map. he's getting wisconsin, michigan and pennsylvania, they're bleeding blue. arizona has been a republican state, we lead at blue right now which is why president trump is trying to bring it back. he's trying to find some way to get to 270. i want to switch map in a second. this is a 2016 map. it was pretty close but not as close as pennsylvania and wisconsin and michigan.

49-45 point 5. here is maricopa here. suburbs already turning against trump. you have a lot of latinos against arizona. the demographics were changing anyway, covid makes the president challenging all the more. >> the question that president trump can pull off a repeat in 2016 where he had a win there, what does it look like? >> another poll saying not now. we are watching a late momentum. another poll showing a double digit lead for joe biden. i am going to stick with this

map. the president is trying to run against his record. michigan is not as bad as some of these states. up here it tends to be a republican country, it is hard hit out there. michigan had a problem, they done a perfect job. one of the dynamics here, the president have been at war with the democratic governor repeatedly. she gets high marks for most voters. for most voters she gets high marks. the president is picking a fight about leadership that he's losing right now. >> how are things losing with wisconsin. again, 16 votes here, 10 votes here of the electoral college. let me move over to wisconsin, you see more red here. covid again. let me look at it this way, this is not what you want in the

final week of the campaign. worse day yet again. record deaths in wisconsin right now. final day of the campaign. wisconsin state journal. now a nightmare scenario, covi is getting as much or if not more attention in the campaign. let's pull it out and hello ysh one more way to look at it. trump's approval in coronavirus in michigan, and wisconsin. this is the new abc washington polls today. 42% approve and 55% disapprove. if you watch the polls, look at the president's covid's approval rate. it matches up almost exactly what he's getting in the ballot right now. you can't win the election at 42% or 39%. that's one of the challenges for the president right now. he's in the low 40s and struggling. >> jon king. just to make sure and clarify,

these are all based on poll numbers. it is not actual votes. they're all depends on how many votes been casted so far and who's going to go forward and days before that. >> it absolutely does. >> this is a public opinion poll. the early voting number early where right now for the democrats. we are not done. >> jon king, appreciate it. >> how are you feeling where the biden/harris campaign is now and the chance of democrats taking the senate? >> i am not one speculating the election. i am cautiously optimistic and all that i can say is i am am -- everybody that i know is going to work hardest to make sure that biden wins.

this is the most important election and of our modern history of this country. >> clinton was ahead in many of the same states and did not get the electoral votes. do you see a difference this time and the kind of support that biden has? >> i think so. the difference is that after four years, people now know donald trump, they know his record and you look at states like wisconsin or michigan a. these are states dealing with the terrible pandemic. people understand you have the president who rejected science and a president who tells them on tv tonight that we are effective. we are defeating the pandemic and they're saying it is surging in the states. people have a sense of who trump is, antiscience attitude.

people are sick and tired really of his lying every single day. they're concerned of his threats of his foundation of american democracy. they're upset and tired of his racism and sexism and xenophobia. i think it is a different sta e circumstance. i think biden stands a good chance of winning. >> the president is still doing these large rallies and getting people together and no social distancing. the only people told people to wear masks are only the people who are stand behind him and who are seen on television and everybody else in front of them, most of them are not wearing masks. i don't understand why he would do this. i know it makes him feel good to perform in front of a large audience and feel he has momentum. to me it seems like anybody looking at this would see this

as the emblematic of the recklessness of this administration has had towards this entire pandemic. >> anderson, you are tacticilki a guy who loves rallies. i am a big rally guy myself. i understand why trump want wants -- it is fun to be talking to thousands of people. but your point is very well-taken. exciting for him to be with his supporters. people are turning on the television, my gosh, this pandemic are surging all over the country and we have lost 225,000 people and hospitals are being filled to the capacity. the president of the united states is doing exactly the opposite of what doctors and scientists are telling us we have to do. they say we have to wear a mas s

and many supporters are not wearing masks. they say we have to social distance, these people are packed together. i am not sure if folks back at home are watching him. is this anti-science leadership, the kind of leadership we want to continue in the white house? i think in my respects these rallies may be backfiring. i know it is easy for trump to make fun of biden's events. i myself was in michigan and pennsylvania and we talked to automobiles. it is not accelerati automobil to cars.

>> i know, i hear the honking. >> it is an experience, we are working our way through it. >> i think and people understand that we all have a responsibility as elected official and ordinary people to do the best we can not to spread this virus. you have a president who's doing the exact opposite. you can make fun of biden and me but i think we are doing the right thing and i think people appreciate that. >> congresswomwould you be open cabinet position? >> i don't want to speculate too much of the next five days. i want to see biden becoming president. this is what i believe, anderson, the political world in america has changed and the

democratic party has changed. we have a potent and growing progressive movement in this country of many, many millions of people. and the progressive move, no matter who the names may be, the progressive movement deserves a seat at the table of the biden administration. we deserve cabinet appointments. we deserve to have strong progressives whether it is me or anybody else, alexandria is absolutely right. the progressive movement have earned its strikes. >> senator bernie sanders, i appreciate your time. >> thank you. we are now on a medical side. the task fosask force continue

unrelenting spread. how dire is the situation? >> it is getting concerning. there are a couple of things beyond the obvious that we are focused on. you see the numbers here when they put this up in the midwest compares to the european union. you will see that there is a lot of similarities here. >> we are not putting it up. >> the lines are going up and the numbers of new cases are also increasing. the case is going up. wisconsin right now, ander soso exceeded what new york was back in april. april 10th was the highest per capita case count in new york. and now wisconsin exceeded that. that's becoming hard for the course for many of these mid

western states. it is concerning and there is no secrets. the northern parts of the country is going to look a lot worse. the weather is cool right there and the south is insulated from that aside from texas and new mexico. the whole country as you know, the numbers are going up and as the weather gets colder is going to make it harder and harder to maintain. >> there were serious warnings from key health officials today. i want to play dr. fauci. >> if we get a vaccination by the second or third quarter of 2021, we have vaccinated a substantial portion of the people. i think it will be easily by the end of 2021 and perhaps into the next year before we start having some sense of normality. >> do you think that's accurate? >> normal life the end of next year or into 2022?

>> part of it depends on how you define normalcy. to be totally back to normal like everything like the way before. if you think of vaccines and masks. what's the fundamental? the virus likes to jump from person to person. if we can make it less hospitable, the number will start to go down. it is a small little strand of genetic material, it kacan't ju that far. if the vaccine is 70% or 80% perspective, that percentage of people could take it. we could start seeing a sense of

normalcy. >> the public health admiral today said the vaccine will end the pandemic. that's the end of the pandemic. that's not the case. it is not the end of the pandemic. it is something that can help end it but it is not like everybody gets the vaccine and it is suddenly gone. it is still out there. >> the virus is still out there. the vaccine won't flip a switch. it is important for people to know that. we become a society of a quick-fix society. we are not going to bother doing the big stuff. the vaccine is not going to flip that switch. it will be the largest distribution projects in human history. you are going need 70% of the world ultimately vaccinated and these are challenging vaccines.

it may be something yearly because we don't know how long immunity would last. the virus is going to be around for a while. the h1n1 that you and i covered back, that was a flu virus from 1918. the virus is still around. we just dance around with it. >> he's now a spokesperson for the trump's campaign. he left the white house position in july. i didn't know he got the promotion. jon king is back breaking down the new cnn polling. what jared kushner said of the plan handling the pandemic that led to so many unnecessary deaths. so you only pay for what you need? really? i didn't-- aah! ok. i'm on vibrate. aaah! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

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breaking news tonight. 75 million americans have already cast their ballots. nearly 76 million, 56% of ballots cast in the 2016 election. no one should read too much into individual polls. jon king is here to tell us more.

>> i am a guy to tell you my hair is on fire, don't pay attention to national polls. you can pay attention on this one. let's bring up our 2016. hillary clinton was four at this point. even if you are a trump supporter and you don't believe the polls, this is a big deal. the stability of the race. i say this every time of the final week. you see no evidence. does not mean it won't happen and we don't find it. that's a big deal and get it out of the way. deeper into this, that's where it gets interesting. you want to bring up favorability ratings. trying to change people's opinion of joe biden.

favorable or unfavorable. 41% favorable and 55% favorable for biden. so character and honest city is stopping the in come becumbent. on the coronavirus on crime, on healthcare and criminal case and supreme court case. voters prefer joe biden over donald trump. so the reason this was the map four years ago, the reason we have the map like this right now leaning overwhelmingly biden's way goes to the issues and the personal characteristics and look at the horse race at this moment, people are buying what

the preside what -- people are not buying what the president's selling. >> dana bash is with us. >> how confident are democrats feeling and when does confidence turn toover confidence. >> if you met any democrat, they are nervous. by nature is their dna and they'll admit it to you. one of the things i find most interesting is the question of favorability, meaning how much do these people actually liked the candidate. hillary clinton in 2016. 20% of people that i hdid not l hillary clinton or donald trump

and by election day many of those voted for donald trump and that's how he won. now there is only 4% who in this poll say they don't like joe biden or donald trump. people like joe biden and in general and definitely comparing to donald trump. that's a big indicator and a factor that this is a very different election and candidates comparison than four years ago. >> more than a third registered voters, more than 75 million americans casted their votes, that underscores enthusiasm or fear about the race but interest in the race. beyond that, what could we take away from early turn-out. >> i do think we should recognize for this election cycle for the first time in probably the history of this country, more americans have more different ways to vote than ever before. what we are seeing is they are

taking ving advantage of it. when you give people the opportunity to cast a ballot, they would do it. younger people probably for two reasons because of the interests in this race and two they can and they have more ways of doing it than ever before. they are participating in this process and you are seeing extraordinary turn out in places like texas and arizona and a major swing state. these are -- we'll look back on these days and see the building blocks of a massive turn out that could affect the actual outcome of this race. we don't know yet. based on our polling that's out today, biden's voters are likely to cast their ballots early than trump's voters. they're likely to cast their ballots by mail.

we know that when turn out is high, republicans believe that high turn-out benefits democrats and vice versa. take that for what you will, i think that turn out could make a big difference and arizona comes election day. >> what state is going to be first on your list for potential signs on where things are headed? >> we are not quite sure because it is going to be such an election unlike any other. we may see joe biden taking a lead in places we know they're not going to win. other places may not count those ballots until the morning after or late at night so donald trump may jump out to a huge lead in some places where as the end it is not going to be like that. there are some rules. i remember in 2016 i am going to go to kentucky. kentucky is going to be red.

it is likely will be red in 2020. the polls close early here so you start to see and we start to see right here in these rural counties. donald trump near 77%. why is that a big deal? it was so much better to mit romney. are these voters coming out for donald trump and is he winning the percentages that he did. that was our clues. you start in kentucky and ohio, you saw 66% there and you go back to 56%. we saw this starting to happen. why does it matter? kentucky is going to go red. ohio is going to go red. that gave us clues. these are the same people, they live down here. that's what i was looking for. when the polls closed and the election day turn out, is there

everyday that donald trump is over performing or under performing of 2016. . >> do you have a sense, i am sure you get a discretion from every uber driver, how long it is going to be before there is an answer? >> no. we don't. we need to be patient and help everybody understand. these election officials are good people. some places in michigan say it could be thursday or friday. i will say this. i am going to pull back out to the map. florida, has a good history. if joe biden wins florida, if joe biden wins either or both of those, we may not get to 270 but have a good sense.

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tapes that have not been released until now. these are comments of the

president's son-in-law made to bob woodward. they show what critics have long said of the president's allies. they see itless of a public health issue but more of a political problem. the white house deliberately holding back informs ation of h bad the pandemic because they were focused on politics. joining me now is bob woodward. i want to play something that jared kushner said to you. at this point there were 17,000 cases. let's listen to this. >> so with testing now what he's

been saying to us is don't fall into the same trap. the president is smart politically with the way he did the fight with the governors to say no, no, i deal with the opening. opening is going to be very popular. people want this country open. >> it is a really remarkable thing. the idea that they fell into a trap the first time on testing is remarkable. the idea that it is a trap for the federal government to actually be responsible in helping getting tests to labs and getting americans tested is so cynical of the way they are looking at it clearly through the lens of politics. >> it is not just cynical. it is manipulative to the tenth

degree. hear what kushner is saying, look, let's get the hard stuff, the testing to the governors. let's require them to deal with these arrangements for opening and then when there is opening, trump will embrace that and that will be his. what struck me is it says without any hesitation. it is said like okay, this is where we are going and we are going to do it. governors? oh well, they're here to be used and manipulated by the president and if it is possible to be shocked, i think that takes you into that arena. >> it is also that you know he's talking about don't fall into

the trap of testing again and he talks about the federalist system. the federal system is the governor's responsibility to test but then he immediately goes to saying as we are opening up which is an opening upstate by state in localities and some states local areas within the state. the president is going to grab that on the governors. he's going to brand himself as the opening guy. >> yes, and they released these guidelines which essentially were to require the states have to show improvements in two weeks. what happe what happened right before this conversation with jared kushner is the president got impatient and you may recall he tweeted out all in caps, liberate, minnesota, liberate, michigan

and liberate virginia. the whole design was liberation onto themselves but is to jump the gun and all these people worrying about the virus. the rules which doctors had written and felt quite happy about, everyone else in this and i guess this is kind of the core summary here that everyone, doctors oh, they're debris. they're in the way of the president. if you look at the other areas. this is the general, they don't know what they are doing. secretary of state, tillerson, oh, he's dumb as a rock. oh, the intelligence people, they don't know what they are

talking about. they are in trump's way to execute what is often spurred the moment impulse and something not thought through or something he's not talked to other people. >> we have a conversation you have with jared kushner on may 8th. i want to play that. >> the difference between a really good outcome and bad outcome. number one is confidence of the medical front and on the economic front which i think we have the right thing in place to do and number two way is psychology of the market. you basically saying coming back to the fall then people won't rehire and you are planning for the worse case scenario. one of the things the president's great about it is

he's a leader. >> kushner did not mention on the medical front, and making people feel good of the outcomes s so companies will hire and replan for a reopening and talking about the president being a cheerleader. i never understood that. cheerleaders are great but don't you want to coach or a quarterback or somebody who knows how to run with the ball. is the cheerleader the post important spot? >> it is really not cheer leading. that's what he's labeling it. what he's saying is oh let's not give people bad news because then they won't reopen. it is deception. it is not cheer leading.

as we know and we have cheerleaders sometimes they can spur people to make proper moves and other times it is silly. this is not even that the. this is out right deception. the failure if you go back and put all the ten months together since january, they were told full of what is coming and not to disclose to the people and tell the truth. i honestly thinks this ge this point where there is a moral intention to it. >> he's still doing it. he's out there holding super

spread spreader potential events and saying there are light at the end o f the tunnel. it is giving people false reality. it is dangerous lies because he's not encouraging mask wearing or social distancing. i want to play something else that kushner told you on may look, i really do believe that he's passed the competency test. on the execution i think that kailey said a great thing to him at the oval office. she said do you think we were better the other way? and she said in some ways it's better this way because before people took for granted how great you were with the economy. >> i mean, so at that point more than 77,000 americans had died, and kushner tells you they had a

conversation in the oval office and kellyanne conway's conclusion was it's better this way. >> kayleigh mcenany. sorry. kayleigh mcenany said it's better this way because people don't take you for dmant grante the economy anymore. >> the idea that you would say, let's embrace disaster and then you can come back from that and people will appreciate you in some way they would not if we had not had this disaster. the first time i heard that, i thought, is that possible? would the president ask that kind of question? how do i maneuver my way politically through this? and the answer is yes and that

the press secretary would give this kind of answer. so where this all comes toget r together, we are on a collision course with history right now. and as you know, you've had the doctors on, what the future for the next weeks and months is going to be even more of a calamity, and we have a leader, whether he's re-elected or not, who is going to be in office until january according to the constitution, and we've got months where there is no plan, there is no strategic vision of, gee, how do we get out of this? here you have the white house chief of staff saying over the weekend, we're not going to control the pandemic. it is as if we're in the middle

of world war ii and franklin roosevelt says or his advisers say, well, gee, we're not going to try to control the nazis. >> he said, we're going to try to contain it. but they're not trying to contain it. it's not just getting vaccines. it's social distancing. it's mask wearing. it is the president modeling that behavior and rallying the country to get behind the masks. bob woodward, we have to go. i appreciate your type as always. the clips are fascinating. thanks for being with us. there is a lot of folks right now centered on michigan right now. ongoing concern about kidnapping the state's governor. today the state's attorney general filed an energy appeal about a directive to ban the open carry of firearms on election day. governor whitmer, thanks for

being with us. i want to ask you about these tapes back in march and april. he said, quote, with testing now, what he's been saying to us is don't fall into the same trap that we fell into the first time. the states have to own the testing. the federal government should not own the testing. essentially kushner and the president, the white house decided, push testing on to the states because it's messy, you know, it can go wrong. it's a trap for the trump administration. but take away from the governors reopening so that the president gets credit. >> well, running the united states in the middle of a global pandemic isn't for everyone. that's why i'm so enthusiastic about joe biden and kamala harris. the fact of the matter is i got right in the middle of all of this when i observed early on that there was no national strategy. states were in the early days

being pitted against one another just to obtain those n95 masks that all of our front line workers need. here we are eight months later, and there is still no national strategy. covid numbers are increasing. the pain that we are feeling economically is worse than it could have been or should have been had the white house ever had a national strategy. if they ever levelled with the american people, if they ever challenged us to rally to this -- to beat this virus. the virus is the enemy. all they have spent their energy on is turning the american people on one another. and we deserve and desperately need better. >> the fact they are still holding these potential super spreader rallies, you know, the president's whole team has gotten infected. the vice president's team has gotten infected. nevertheless, that hasn't stopped them either. they're just continuing to hold

these rallies in your state, other states in states that are seeing big rises in cases and in deaths. >> you know, you would think that an administration that has succumbed to the very virus that is killing people across our nation and depriving us of jobs and economic opportunity would take this more seriously and have a little more empathy. i thought with the passing of her main cain, maybe they would understand. >> oh, they blew through that very quickly. they hardly reacted to that. >> they sure did. i have lost a number of people to covid-19. it's a devastating, cruel illness that is still a very real threat all across the country. our numbers are rising, and their events are contributing to spread. we have done contact tracing. we have seen that, you know, bear out with people show up and they're packed in and they don't wear masks and they are, you know, screaming and shouting. that's how covid-19 spreads.

they are contributing to the crisis that's ravaging this country. >> we only have about two minutes left. i want to ask you two things. i will throw them out at you. the president at a rally in your state last night said about the alleged plot to kidnap you, quote, maybe it was a problem. maybe it wasn't. i don't know if you want to respond to that. also, are you concerned about election day, you know, the court had said people can bring weapons, i guess, around polling stations. i think you are going to be appealing that, but are you concerned? >> so we are working incredibly hard to make sure that we get every vote counted and we may not have a count on election night. and i want to warn everyone in the media that's a real possibility because we are seeing an incredible turn-out. but we are going to keep people safe and we will ensure that every vote gets counted and michigan reports an accurate count. on the first part of your question, i mean, for the trump administration, for the

president himself and his surrogates to come into this state and to insight and encourage anyone who is a domestic terrorist or has ideas of hurting their fellow americans is cruel and it is unusual and it is not normal. words matter, and we all deserve better as a nation. >> governor, i appreciate your time. thank you very much. >> thank you. now to breaking news not tied to politics. hurricane zeta has made land fall in louisiana. live from new orleans with the latest. it looks kind of tacalm there. what has it been like today? >> reporter: yeah. at the height of the storm it was pretty bad. right now it is pretty calm, as you say. we have been experiencing an occasional storm force wind gusts. but at the worst of zeta, the wind gusts were clocking in at 110 miles an hour. strong enough to snap trees like this here behind me in half.

we have seen reports across southeast louisiana where there have been a lot of large trees that have come down including fire lines and debris. this was expected to be a wind-driven event, and that's exactly what it was. and, hence, we have seen widespread power outrages, over 400,000 people we're being told are without power in the state of louisiana. anderson? >> you. you still have a lot of people in new orleans from other parts of louisiana who had to leave their homes and stay in hotels because of other storms. >> reporter: yeah. i was actually struck by just walking around here this afternoon, anderson. every other person that we approached told me, yeah, i'm an evacwee from lake charles or southwest louisiana. a lot of them telling me they were hit very hard by hurricane laura and delta, two hurricanes that hit 13 miles and six weeks apartment and a lot of these

evacuees have been scattered into hotels around new orleans and they too were riding out the storm here. goes out saying that they're very storm weary. they say they're sick of what they have seen in this unprecedented season. hurricane zeta has become the fifth named storm to hit louisiana. that is a state record. >> just about 30 seconds left. what is the forecast for the rest of tonight into tomorrow? >> reporter: well, like i said, it was a very fast-moving storm, so the winds from hurricane zeta, we're told, should move out of here by midnight tonight and tomorrow. the forecast looks sunny and nice. >> all right. thanks very much. there have now been 76,271 new covid cases reported just today. 972 deaths reported just today. the news continues. i want to hand it over to chris for "cuomo prime time."

chris? all right. thank you very much, everybody. i am chris cuomo and welcome to "prime time." tonight we have anonymous. his name is miles taylor. you have seen him on this program before. but you are going to see him in a whole new light tonight. this is miles first tv interview since revealing he was the person behind the pen more than two years ago when he turned the white house upside down with that now infamous trump resistance op ed and book warning. the former chief of staff and homeland security under secretary nielsen was a very big and inside position. what did anonymous and others actually stop from happening? how worried was he and were others in-house? how many are still there? insight into why biden is hitting the notes that he is in this campaign, espy