i'll see you tomorrow, 5:00 p.m. eastern as we count down to election day. cnn's special coverage of the presidential election begins tuesday, 4:00 p.m. eastern. until then, thank you very much for watching. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. course. trump coming face to face with the realities of the pandemic, forced to drastically reduce the size of his rally, as his testing czar shuts down trump's latest coronavirus claim four days before election day. biden and trump all in on pennsylvania. the president adding another rally there. can either candidate win the white house without the state? we're at the magic wall. and a top florida republican backing biden. will his state follow? i'll ask them. let's go "outfront." good evening. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, down to the wire. just four days until the election. joe biden, president trump in two crucial battleground states

right now. the former vice president expected to start speaking soon in milwaukee, wisconsin. the president holding his rally in minnesota. it is there that his campaign once again colliding with the pandemic. and what i want to show you here, this is not what he wanted. we'll show you the crowd size, much different than what we've seen. it's minuscule, and it's not trump's doing. it's because minnesota has capped gatherings at 250 people in an effort to slow the spread of the coronavirus. so it's being enforced here. he wasn't allowed to have the rally he wanted to go with the rules of social distancing and masks. and it has not gone overwhelm with president trump. >> we're having a problem with some people in minnesota where they have a cap because biden goes there, and he can't draw flies. >> complaining about a restriction put in place for

public health safety. the state is reporting record hospitalizations today, and minnesota not the only state with this pain. the trump campaign then today, also holding rallies in michigan and wisconsin. two states where cases, deaths, and hospitalizations are all rising. so to put this in perspective, over the past four days, the united states has recorded 307,309 known new cases. that is more than the population of the three cities president trump visited today. and yet this is the message we heard again and again from him today. >> we will deliver a safe vaccine to the american people in just a number of weeks. you know without it, we're still rounding the corner. but without it, we round the corner. we're rounding the turn on a pandemic. >> these things are false. we're not rounding the corner. i mean, just listen to the people who have all the facts. the scientists, the people who work for the president, who are in charge of handling the

pandemic, like the president's testing czar today. >> hospitalizations and icu admissions don't lie. when those go up, that's real. that's tangible. that's people in the hospital that need care. >> they don't lie. they are the facts. hospitalizations are up. deaths are up. record hospitalizations in this country right now, in 17 states. 17 states in this country, have a record hospitalizations. and the president says this -- >> you know, our doctors get more money dies from covid. you know that, right? >> not even subtly implying doctors are lying, trying to milk the system to get more money. it's also not true. the american medical association tweeting this week, let's be clear, physicians are not inplating the number of covid-19 patients. and the american college of emergency physicians, president

trump's baseless claims about physicians overcounting covid-19 deaths is harmful and offensive. joe biden fighting back, zeroing in on the president's handling of the virus, making this the center piece of his closing arguments. >> imagine if he had told us in january how dangerous this was and took action. it's estimated that there would be over 130,000 people still alive. and by the way, we don't cower, nor do i. never will we. unlike president trump, we'll not surrender to this virus. >> both campaigns covered tonight in these final days. kaitlan collins is at the white house. jessica dean is with joe biden. kaitlan, what is happening at the president's rally right now? >> reporter: this is fascinating, because this is not like any other rally the president has held, where the state sim posing restrictions.

so there are only 250 people in front of the president as he's just taken the stage. but erin, what he did is something he doesn't normally do. instead of coming straight to the stage where he is now, the president got into the beast, drove down the tarmac and went to greet the overflow crowd. that's the crowd that is over there because they can't get inside because of the state restrictions, capping it at 250. because of the pandemic. and you see the president went there and greeting this packed crowd that, according to reporters on the ground, were largely not wearing masks. the president said this should be a lesson with the dwofr ngov. he is unhappy with restrictions. now he went and basically was trying to defy the governor by going over there and greet thing packed crowd, sense he's being denied having that crowd in front of him as he's speak thing in minnesota. as you were noting, this comes on a day where he's been mocking joe biden for social distancing and adhering to health

guidelines. not only mocking his opponent, but mocking a fox news host, because she was wearing a mask at his rally in michigan earlier. so this is the president's closing message, that e h's making to voters in these battleground states where we should note infections are surging. >> 17 states with record hospitalizations. the president briefly today saying he yousupported masks. i want to go to jessica dean now. how is biden responding to these latest attacks from the president? and i must say in what must be the most beautiful live shot of the day. >> reporter: i'm pretty lucky. it's pretty beautiful here in milwaukee tonight. so we're appreciating that for sure. but wisconsin, erin, is facing a dire situation right now when it comes to the coronavirus pandemic. they are seeing record numbers all across the state. it is an incredibly serious situation here. joe biden is coming here for his last stop. he had three stops in total today.

his last stop today is going to be at an airport hangar in front of a small crowd for this very reason, because the numbers are so very high here. but the coronavirus pandemic has been so very central to his closing argument. we heard it again and again. today in his stops in iowa and in minnesota, and just in the last little bit, he released a statement on the u.s. hitting 9 million coronavirus infections. and he called that utterly disqualifying, that it should be utterly disqualifying for president trump. he attacked him for not having any empathy, not understanding people's grief and for the people they have lost, and for the others still struggling to recover from this virus. he's also connected this to the economy, and what impact this has had on the economy, erin. he's promised that he has a plan, he knows what to do. he's asking the american people to put him in charge and lead america out of the pandemic. >> thank you very much, jessica dean from milwaukee.

okay. let's go to our panel of experts here with just a few days ago. i want to start with john avolon. you have the candidates in some of the hardest hit states by the virus, state wrs where they bot need to win. i want to emphasize, we are at record levels of hospitalization seven months into this crisis in 17 states. as the president's own testing czar says, hospitalization numbers do not lie. the president lamenting the 250 person limit at his rally, going to the overflow area first as a way to stick it to the governor and the governor's rules. so does this impact voters at this point, these two dramatically different messages? >> of course, because this is the collision of the two great themes of this campaign in a way that's completely indelible. no matter what the president wants to live in denial, he's contributing, as sanjay gupta

said, to many people getting sick. coronavirus cases are spiking. up 47% on average over the last two weeks. in michigan, or minnesota rather, he's upset because the governor doesn't want big crowds. maybe that's because cases are up 54% in minnesota. so one is a duty to care. and the other is just a desperate need of feeding his ego and trying to play to the base at the expense of anything else. >> abby, you heard the admiral say ohospitalizations don't lie but the president says the only reason you have more cases is because you're doing more testing. his own testing czar is making it clear that's not what is happening. yes, there is more testing than we have done before. there is also by a factor much greater than that more cases. but the president is tripling down. this is the message that he's going to win on, or he is going to lose on. this is the message. >> this is the message that, by the way, he decided on, perhaps

almost single handedly. i have to ask people to take their minds back about a month ago to when the president was sick with the coronavirus. and some of his aides were publicly saying that they believed this was his opportunity to take control of the messaging around the virus, to turn this into a chance for him to show a certain kind of leadership, to talk to americans about a responsible behavior around the virus, and perhaps disarming joe biden from having a total monopoly over that message. but what happened? the president came back from the hospital, and he said don't let the virus dominate your life. he chose his re-election message in that moment. that's what we're seeing here. right at this moment, the president's aides are 100% backing him up on this idea that this -- all of this is fearmongering about a virus that's not that big of a deal and you have to open up the economy at all costs, but the reality is, the virus is

surging. this is exactly the environment that, over the summer, aides really were saying they don't expect the virus to surge again. we know -- we knew that this was coming and now it is here, and now they have to live with it. they can't change course at this point, and it will be a question of, how many voters out there are going to say yes, more of this kind of leadership or no, i want to go a different direction. that's the crux of the campaign that we are in right now. >> dr. ripeiner, as hospitalizations are going up, hospitalizations for coronavirus, these are the numbers, they don't lie. so the president is taking those numbers, right, and the death numbers that we are now seeing climb and saying that these are also not real, okay? that the doctors are doing this to somehow get more money. here's more of what he said. >> our doctors get more money if somebody dies from covid, you know that, right?

and doctors are very smart people. so they say, i'm sorry, but everybody dies of covid. >> oh, i'm sorry, but everybody dies of covid. dr. reiner? >> the president is a liar. i mean, i'm sorry to say that, but i just can't take it anymore. look, over a thousand health care workers in this country have died trying to save the lives of their fellow americans. and every day they go to work and they're the real super people, the supermen and superwomen. they go to work every single day and put themselves at risk to put out the fire that he has stoked and that his actions have continued to endanger the lives of people in this country. it's incredibly insulting. it makes every person who works in health care in this country insane to hear him say that. >> erin, could i add something to that?

it reflects on the fact that he can't understand that kind of self-sacrifice. it's projection. he assumes there's got to be something in it for them. that everything is a scam, a cheat, that real service to help other people is infathomable to him. >> abby, we also have the task force here. you hear people like the surgeon general speak out, dr. deborah birx is on her own. they're all now saying things that the scientific facts that fly in the face of the president. yet the task force itself has not been on a regular call with the governors in a month, the vice president of the united states to be specific. he has this call he is supposed to go with the governors every thing that's happening. he has not done it. but he is campaigning, the same the president is, these largely unmasked, with no social distance rallies. what is the significance of this? i want to make it clear, alex

azar was on the call. the calls are happening, but the vice president is not. he's the head of the task force. the people close to the president have awe bbandoned it seems. >> particularly the person running on the ticket with the president and who is responsible for carrying out the political message, which is that the virus is not that big of a deal. it runs counter to that message to have regular calls with the governors about the state of the virus in their state. so it doesn't surprise me at all that pence has pulled back from that. for a long time, vice president pence was acting as -- in some ways, a bit of a foil to president trump. he would -- he was taking the virus seriously. he was speaking in sober terms about it, showing up at these press conferences. but the longer that continued, the more it really highlights the president's disengagement from the issue. so inevitably it had to end. they could not go into this

campaign, last stretch of the campaign with the vice president always being the one taking the virus seriously, when the president was not. it only undercuts their campaign message. it also just highlights they are doubling down on a really risky strategy here, at a time when americans are taking the virus seriously. because they are seeing it surge in their own communities. >> yeah, they are. thank you all very much. next, president trump making a major play in pennsylvania. can he win the white house without it? and why the president is obsessed with one congresswoman, specifically, in these final days of the campaign. >> he doesn't love our country, i can tell you. >> we'll talk to a specific group of older women about why they have chosen not to back president trump. >> covid as far as i'm concerned. that was the main decider. i'm a diabetic. i'm 72. i'm compromised.

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>> phil mattingly is "outfront" at the wall. so phil, what are you seeing in the states that trump and biden are visiting today? obviously, these final days, they are in the must-win upper midwest. >> i'm seeing the map of 2016. i think both campaigns are. the president's team trying to essentially do the same thing all over again, and the biden campaign attempting to learn the lessons that led to this. watch this, minnesota, democrats only won by 40,000 votes. didn't think it was going to be that close. wisconsin, president trump flipped, ohio, he blew out of the ballpark. same with iowa. the biden campaign right now will tell you they feel much better about where the midwest is. take a look at just two polls, michigan right now in the poll of polls, joe biden up 51-43. wisconsin, biden up 52-43. the trump campaign, however, says that's not adjusting for what they believe their turnout is going to be. i think what you want to do is take a trip with me, if you

will, through the map right now and understand how important the midwest is to this campaign or how important it could be. everything you see in gold right now is not considered a safe state. some of those states you can check off the box. you can give democrats colorado. you can give republicans probably ohio. it's a little tight. they think iowa. they think it's tight. just go ahead and give republicans the southeast. those are all toss-up states right now, but president trump won them in '16, conceivable he'll do it again. texas, republicans feel like that will come in live. give democrats the state of nevada. and even give them arizona, where they feel like they have made a lot of in roads over the last several cycles. give president trump maine and give joe biden nebraska, too. and what are you left with? 248 for donald trump, 230 for joe biden. and what are you looking at up here? you're looking at those states.

pennsylvania we'll talk about. but if you give joe biden the state of pennsylvania, right there, president trump still has a path. still has a path. democrats don't think that path includes minnesota, but give it a shot, and stop by. even if joe biden wins pennsylvania, president trump could sweep michigan, sweep wisconsin and he's over 270 electoral votes. is that what is going to happen? no, not necessarily. the biden campaign is very comfortable with where they are in the midwest. it's just underscoring the fact even if all this occurs the way democrats and republicans think it might, the midwest could be where it ends. >> what's amazing here, you know, pennsylvania, which you were including there, they don't start counting until after the votes are in on election day with all the votes they got before. if this comes down to pennsylvania, it means a whole lot of things happen that maybe the polls don't foretell, and maybe it's closer than people

think in all these states. and the president is betting on pennsylvania, fourth campaign rally just added that tomorrow. biden campaign is going to be there on monday on the eve of the election. biden/harris, their spouses, all in the state. so they are all going in -- all-in on pennsylvania, betting this may be a nail biter in a lot of places. >> look, the most valuable commodity each campaign has at this moment in this crunchtime is the time of their candidates. and the time of their vp selections and the time of their spouses and all of them are going to be in pennsylvania over the course of the next 48 hours. let's take a look at where our poll of polls in pennsylvania stands at this moment. right now, the biden campaign has a bit of a lead, about six points. the trump campaign says that's underestimating where their support is going to be, and where are they getting that idea from? from 2016. take out the 2016 map, and the interesting thing, unlike michigan, where detroit turnout was way down and wisconsin, where milwaukee turnout was way

down. in pennsylvania, hillary clinton did amazingly well in philadelphia and the suburbs outside of it. she set records for turnout in that area, and yet still loss. why did she lose? the republican turnout in western pennsylvania blew everyone out of the water and the republican turnout in the eastern part of the state, too. that's where you have seen biden focus. he was born in scranton. you've seen outside of pittsburgh, democrats trying to hold margins down. you know one key point there, we don't know when we're going to find out when the results are coming in. seven counties right now the expectations is will not be counting their absentee ballots until after election day. if it comes down to pennsylvania, we may be waiting a bit. >> phil, thank you very much. so i want to go now to the democratic governor of pennsylvania, tom wolf. hearing that analysis from your state and hearing about these possible delays in seven counties, they're not going to count their ballots until after the election. so what will we know about

pennsylvania on election night or will it be a total mystery? >> i don't think so. we had a dry run of this in the june 2nd primary, and some counties did better than others. but some counties like allegheny and pittsburgh reported the election results i think at 3:00 a.m. on election night. since then, we have taken what we learned from the june 2nd primary and made sure that counties all across the state have the resources, the people, the equipment to be able to process this as quickly as possible. so i think the trump campaign must be somewhat concerned, and it's nine counties that are saying they were under the misimpression they don't have to start counting the vote when the polls close at 8:00. and we're working with them right now. but i think it's a reflection, we think, of the trump campaign doing what they've been doing

for months now, and that is creating hurdles to getting the count out. and that, i suspect, is their belief that's the only way they can win this election by delaying the count they don't think they're going to win. that includes in pennsylvania. we've always counted military ballots that come in a week after the polls close. >> so you mentioned pittsburgh. we've learned that butler county, which is north of pittsburgh, of course, has received more than 10,000 calls from voters who say they haven't gotten their ballots yet, and the postal service says it's investigating, they're checking on the local post offices, this is a huge amount of ballots. do you know anything about where these are, and does this worry you that this is a big number just four days before the election. >> yeah. we've been working with the butler county case, and it does seem to be, as far as i know, a postal issue. so that's why they're looking into that. but, again, it's what we have

been now saying right from the start. don't rely on someone else. walk the ballot in. we had 50 something days to vote in pennsylvania and there was a challenge. but you have many days to vote, take your ballot that you get, and walk it to the election office. walk it to a drop box. don't rely on the mail system to take it. at this point, if you want to be sure that you're not going to have a problem, like in butler county, take care of it yourself. >> so governor, the district attorney in your state in philadelphia is accusing president trump of trying to suppress the vote. here's how he put it when he was on the network. >> and i do, in fact, have something for the president if he wants to send people here to break the law. i have a cell, i have criminal laws and i have a jury, a very diverse jury, that is going to want to hear why these people came to steal our votes.

>> are you comfortable with how he put it? or do you think that's too far? or do you think president trump is breaking the law right now? >> well, no, i don't think that's what larry was saying. i think he was saying if he does indulge in voter intimidation, that is against the law across pennsylvania, not just philadelphia. that is a crime. if he does it, it's great that the district attorney in philadelphia is putting him on the alert that the campaign will be held to account. >> you know, people are on edge across this country right now. this election is a big part of the reason why. for people, whatever their political persuasion. and "the washington post" is reporting tonight that the national guard has created a new unit, made upmostly of military police, who could be dispatched to respond to clashes, actual clashes on election day and beyond. how much concern do you have about this, and what specific preparations are you making in pennsylvania? >> well, in pennsylvania, we've

had a joint task force working on election safety for two or three years now. and we bring not just the national guard but the state police. we even bring in the i.t. folks from the office of administration to deal with cybersecurity issues. the pennsylvania emergency management agency, anybody working with the emergency officials out in the counties, we've been working together and just sort of figuring out what we can do to make sure we can respond to whatever, if anything happens after the election. this is something we've been doing for years now. i think what's happening here is that the trump campaign is trying to sow mistrust and fear and concern. that's the only way they think they can win. and if they can set up some uncertainties about this new election system we have in pennsylvania, we changed our election law in 2019, the june primary was the first run through this new system. and it's changed. so they're trying to do their

best to exploit that, the fears that any change has, and they're doing their best to undermine the safety of the voting process. democracy runs on votes. people need to feel that they can access the polls, that they can cast their ballot. they're going to be counted fairly. that's what we're trying to do here in pennsylvania. i can understand it, if you earl not going to win on the votes, the next best thing to do is to sow distrust and fear. >> governor, thank you for your time. >> thanks, erin. next, why is the president using his precious final days on the campaign trail to attack one particular congresswoman? >> are you a big fan of omar? i don't think so. omar, omar. ilhan omar. >> and democrats growing uneasy about republican turnout in a crucial florida county. i'm going to talk to one republican official who is now blocking biden and find out what's happening there. does he think biden can win his state? smart tech is everywhere.

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all right. looking at live pictures over minnesota. you see air force one starting

to taxi there. president trump wrapping up his third rally of the day. this rally he only spoke for about 20 minutes, very short by his own standards, but this is the rally where there was a cap and only 250 people were allowed there. they had to socially distance. so he expressed his deep discontent with that. this is just hours after he vowed to be the first republican to win the state since 1972. because of his response to the unrest following george floyd's death, and because of democratic congresswoman ilhan omar. >> very popular, because i helped with that disaster in minneapolis, like we got -- we got the guys in in, and they -- what did it take, about 25 minutes and it was over. they should have called a long time before that. they went through two weeks of hell. ilhan omar, she loves our country very much. and yemen, right? she's going to help me win. she's going to protest when i go up there, and i'll say thank you very much.

every time you protest, it's going to add 25% to the vote. she doesn't love our country, that i can tell you. >> "outfront" now, michael smerconish and karen finney, hillary clinton's senior spokesperson in 2016, along with republican pollster and strategist ed goest. so karen, the president making these comments about omar. he is making this a focus in minnesota. and i'm sure you don't think it will work, but is there a chance that he knows something that democrats are missing, that this may help him move the needle in minnesota, which would be a big pickup for him? >> well, i think it's all part of a strategy to mobilize, to ensure that trump voters are mobilized and recognize that they're in trouble, and then i think it's also certainly a strategy to reach out to men. i've also been doing polling and

focus groups with white suburban women that voted for trump and the data says they don't like this. this is the meanness and the divisiveness they don't like, and voters don't believe, even moderate republicans, don't think that president trump handled the george floyd situation appropriately. so he may think -- and i think he's hs tualso turning off subu moms. the divisiveness is problematic for them. he may think he's doing himself a favor, but i think that overwhelmingly, it's turning off important groups. >> so president trump making the tweets at the speeches, that ilhan omar, part of this was -- part of his bit today. joe biden with a different message, also in the midwest and iowa. here's what he said at a drive-in rally. >> honk if you want america to lead again.

honk if you want america to trust each other again. honk if you want america to be united again. folks, we cannot afford four more years of president trump. in 2008 and 2012, you placed your trust in barack obama and me and we worked for you, for the entire country. well, i'll do it again in 2020. >> a totally different message, and they both know it. which message do you think in these final days, whether it comes to turnout or those small slivers of undecideds, wherever they may be, which message resonates more? >> well, i think certainly the biden message resonates more. one of the things i saw this week watching the polling is that it was more like watching paint dry than watching the last week of a presidential campaign. biden ended last week eight

points up in the average of all the polls. this week he's at 7.9. i think there's a bigger thing on the minnesota in that there is a string of campaigns, all of which are very, very close, going from arizona to iowa to ohio to north carolina, florida, georgia. that trump has to win. and what we saw two weeks prior to last week is that both michigan and wisconsin began to move out of range. we saw the movement last week and the week before, not this week, and then that vote sol solidi solidified. so he, number one, if he wins all those races in the south, in the west, he's still short and needs pennsylvania. but the problem is, if he loses any of those races, he then needs a second state to win up north. and minnesota is looking like

his next best bet. >> so michael, you know, this is the strategy of it, right? and he has -- i mentioned some ilhan omar things that he said. but it's been a steady thing over the past few weeks. here he is. >> are you a big fan of omar? i don't think so. we are going to win minnesota, because of omar. they're angry at omar. our secret weapon. ilhan omar. >> obviously she's not his opponent. why is he talking about her so much, michael? >> well, to karen's point, the persuasion era of this campaign, if there ever was one, is long over. it's all about motivation. you've displayed the contrasting styles that these candidates are using to motivate their base. former vice president biden, by trying to make it totally a referendum on donald trump. he, the unity candidate. president trump trying to ignite

those same forces that in 2016 brought them that victory. he caricatures his opponents. i'm surprised it's just ilhan omar, because often it's nancy pelosi and it's the squad and aoc and it's bernie, because he wants to show that he's running against all of them, if in fact that's the case. and frankly, not as much about joe biden when he's trying to spark that base of high school educated white men to come out. >> so karen, when you break down different groups, obviously all groups have many differences within them, but one group democrats and republicans both have been focused on and warning say thing is a lack of enthusiasm for joe biden is hispanic voters. the latest poll shows biden winning 51-35. so you think what are you talking about? it's nowhere near what it was in 2016, when clinton lost the election after beating trump

with a marging of hispanic voters 66-28. could this end up being the achilles heel? >> it could be. and here's why, the latino vote in this country is not monolithic and we can't treat it like it is. one of the major issues in the state of florida is the cuban community. and so the cuban community has very different concerns and interests in many ways than mexican americans in california, than, you know, south americans living in minneapolis. so i think part of it is we haven't done as good a job, i'll be honest, in reaching out to latino voters as we need to. i think we have done better this cycle in reaching out to african-american voters. i don't think we've done as good a job with latino voters. but i do think we'll see strong turnout. but yes, it is a problem. >> so ed, what do you see there? more than double the margin, you

know, look, people have all sorts of fears about polls right now. both sides. nobody knows whether to trust them or not. but it is quite a stunning difference between biden and clinton in that group. >> yeah, but there are other polls that contradict that and don't show that. i think much of that initial narrative came from florida, where they were looking at hispanics as a monolithic group, when in fact the cuban-americans are very lean republican, probably more so today than ever. they are not as offended as other hispanic groups, in fact, they like some of the positions on immigration, the more harsh positions on immigration. so i think they're very much playing to that. but, you know, the interesting thing about florida that they didn't look at closely is the difference between cuban

americans and part rhuerto rica americans that moved into florida after the disasters down in puerto rico. they're going to be the opposite of cubans and they are not big fans of president trump. so the more they hear this kind of angry rhetoric, and like steven miller came out with today saying what they would do in the next administration, all that does is aggravate that vote. so i think there's a lot to be said about nothing in terms of the hispanic vote, when, in fact, the big problem with president trump are republicans that like his policies but don't like his persona. and all they're seeing is persona in the last weeks. they are seeing nothing to pull them back into the fold for president trump, which is why you're not seeing the national numbers moved. >> have not seen them narrowing, which we did last time. thank you all three.

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making dams uneasy. >> i am a republican as it gets, a conservative republican, donald trump is an embarrassment to our party, to our country and to the rest of the world. you see i love my party but i love my country more. in 2020, i am a biden republican, my name is mike fasano. >> mike fasano is with me now, currently serving at the tax collector county. i appreciate your time. i am going to ask the endorsement you are making at this moement. you surpassed 6 million people who voted early in 2016. republicans have narrowed that edge and we keep on hearing of miami-dade.

when you look at that, what do you see? do you see a big warning flag for biden? >> regardless of a warning flag, it should get the attention of any campaign when you see your opponents numbers in a county where there is a lot more democrats there are republicans. i would be concerned that republicans are out pacing the democrats in miami-dade. this is not unusual. miami-dade has done this, i have been in pasco county, florida for over 50 years. miami-dade seems to be having a difficult time getting their votes out in every election. >> with your experience and you talk about 50 years and you have been a republican all of that time. >> yes, i have been republican since i have turned 18.

yes, ma'am. it got to the point where i said to myself i got to speak up especially as an elected official not to say anything as a cop out, snhame on me for waiting too long. how hard for you to come to this dil decision to speak out as someone who's been a republican since you were 18. >> i did not support donald trump four years ago. i skipped that race first time in my life, i skipped a presidential election and i went down to the remainder of the ballot. this year i just could not standby and stay idly by and not say anything. absolutely shamed on me for not saying something sooner. i should have announced my support for biden and my disappointment in donald trump. you know when donald trump got elected four years ago many of us especially republicans thought you know what, maybe

he'll bring this country together. maybe he'll change and crossover to the other side and bring people to the other side into the white house and work with them and do good for our country. unfortunately, he has not done that. he's taken out of the white house decency and compassion and patriotism and really what we have in the white house now is hatred. we need to get rid of that. >> so you say again as an electorate official not saying anything as a cop out, shame on me. there are other elected officials in your party who clearly disagreed with many things trump does and they don't like to talk about it and they avoid it and they try everything they can and run the other direction and discussing it. i don't know what they're going to do. some of them may vote for him and some of them may not. why do you think that's still the case? >> i wish i had the answer for

that. i apologize not having the answer for you. i will tell you this, since i have come out of the last 24 hours and 48 hours announcing my support for joe biden. i heard from many republicans elected officials who have thanked me for speaking out, i wish they would do the same. i can't peek on their behalf. certainly, i for myself i felt it was an important -- i have a responsibility as a republican elected official for many, many years that i need to let those who have supported me over the years that who i am supporting for president and why i am not supporting a republican this time. >> mike, i appreciate your time. thank you very much for sharing all that with us. >> god bless you, have a nice evening. braueaking news, the u.s. i setting a record high for coronavirus. new cases of 89,000. the u.s. is closing in on

another threshold. 17 states with record of hospitalizations. seniors count for the majority of those threats. about 80% of covid deaths are people over the age of 65. >> so at 78 years old, what is it that drive you to stand on the street corner in the rain, in the cold to get your face out there? >> we really want to win. if people don't see us, they're not going to know to vote for us. >> reporter: a new hampshire democrat, she's spent her entire life serving others. she's running for elected office for the first time in 2020. >> i had no idea what to expect to begin with and now with covid, we can't endorse.

we are relying on phone calls and being an old lady, i am not steady on my feet. i am okay not knocking on doors. >> reporter: have president trump factor into your decision? >> probably, it gets worse and worse everyday. i think senior citizens, for example, and all marginalized people are at risk. >> reporter: a vast majority of the coronavirus deaths in the country have been seniors. here in new hampshire, 96% of those killed by covid have been 60 and older. that weighs heavily on the women we with taare talking to on thes and votes and how much the president sees their values to the country. >> i am concerned of the pandemic. i am 77-years of age. i live with a woman who's 75 years of age.

we do not want to become ill and diet. we are not ready. >> what do you think of the president's handling of the response of the pandemic? >> there has been no constructive action that he has taken whatsoever. >> reporter: donald trump says essentially don't worry about the virus because only older people get it. >> how does it make you feel to hear that? >> excluded. expendable that we don't matter and if we get it and we become very ill, it does not matter that we may need ventilators and be dead in two days. >> reporter: covid as far as i am concerned, that was the main decider. >> i am a diabetic, i am 72. i am compromised. i do not have any desire to get

it. >> reporter: karen cervantes is a mom and a die-hard republican. >> i was 18 when i registered as a republican. >> reporter: have you ever voted for a democrat president? >> no, absolutely not. this is the first time. i voted already and i voted for biden. >> reporter: how would you describe the last four years under president trump? >> exhausting. i find it absolutely exhausting thinking and the things he says about the african nation. the things he said about muslims -- it is just not me. if trump wins, the very next day i am going down to city hall and i am registering as an independent after 55 years.

people are anxious and they are anxious for the election to be over. >> reporter: 66-years-old cindy rosenwald is up for reelection. even beyond covid-19, this election is different than others. >> reporter: how important are older women for this election? >> you can count on us to do the grass root campaign work, too. >> reporter: do you think it is fair to consider age in a decision of who to vote for. they're both older people. >> what would you say -- jane, you are too old to run. >> i would say watch me. >> reporter: we talked to one older woman who was a huge trump

supporter in new hampshire. she did not want to go on camera. this time around joe biden has been leading among seniors. >> that's incredible. kate, thank you very much. thank you so much for all of you being with us. "ac 360" starts now. it is getting close to election day on the eve of the final weekend. this is the last chance for joe biden and the president to sway voters. we'll vofocus on every place th could make a difference and everything that's different compares to 2016. we have seen record early voting, you know that. in tax, moexas, more ballots han cast early and combined.