tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN October 30, 2020 5:00pm-6:00pm PDT
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supporter in new hampshire. she did not want to go on camera. this time around joe biden has been leading among seniors. >> that's incredible. kate, thank you very much. thank you so much for all of you being with us. "ac 360" starts now. it is getting close to election day on the eve of the final weekend. this is the last chance for joe biden and the president to sway voters. we'll vofocus on every place th could make a difference and everything that's different compares to 2016. we have seen record early voting, you know that. in tax, moexas, more ballots han cast early and combined. the pandemic is hanging it over
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it all. moments ago the country hits another new record for daily cases. more than 89 thousands and 880 lives loss. the deaths will continue to rise. i am on the air tonight talking to you and you are listening at home or maybe at the gym or listening in your car, 40 americans will die. some of those deaths are preventable if more people would wear masks but not enough of us cared to including the president. joe biden and harris continue to hold social distance events. the president holding events making it easy for the virus to spread. the president is telling crowds and maskless people they are social distancing and wearing masks. he's saying the virus is going
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away. it is not. it is spreading. he says the doctors are lying about the death toll. it is not. do americans care about these lies and insults? well, we'll find out in four days if there is any consequences for the president. here he is today in michigan in a rally. >> where is he? where is laura? i can't recognize you. i th is that a mask? i have never seen her in mask. look at you. she's being politically correct. >> it took a wise owl to get to
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the middle of a tootsie pop than the president making fun of someone not wearing masks. >> doctors getting more money than somebody with covid. you know that? what they do is say i am sorry, everybody has covid. in germany and other places if you have a heart attack or cancer, you are terminally ill. with us, when i doubt, choose covid. doctors and nurses risking their lives. it is not enough of our president to get our fellow citizens hating and fighting one another. he's trying to get us to turn on the people who are defending us on the frontlines, fighting this
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virus. his supporters nod their heads and they cheer and jeer. that's what we have become. as cases have been rising and more people been getting sick and hospitalized, 14 states reached record numbers. eventhough treatments improved, since the early days deaths have been rising again. no, mr. president, it is not that we are testing more, in some states we are testing less. it is not the doctors trying to earn extra cash from people dying, faking death counts, it is obscene. they're risking their lives to save others. the numbers are rising and more people are getting sick and dying because we are in the middle of a raging pandemic that you have failed to deal with from the beginning. today in florida, the key battleground, only in thursday and california and texas to pass
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800,000 mark. now our jon king is joining us. >> to your point, you were faking, anderson. this is everybody's daily lives. what the president is telling them right now is not the truth. we'll fill this in with red and blue. that's how we judge politics. which way does the stakes go? the president is running against right now and it is covid america. it is not democrat or republican or independent, it is life for everybody and just look at this map. the red is pain. the pink is pain. this is covid cases for 100,000 residents. the darker the color, the higher the rate. it is everywhere. >> it is everywhere in america. look at all that red and
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especially right now. minnesota also is having problem and rural areas that are important to the president. the coronavirus is worsen than their advantage. look how hard texas have been hit. remember the summer surge of how much pain we went through out there. everywhere in america and in battleground america, there is a lot of problems right now. that's one way to look at the impact of this campaign. let me make it go away. here is the 2020 map here, you bring it out. the top ten states right now covid-growing right now. it is growing everywhere. the top ten states, this is them. this is how they voted in 2016. all of them voted for president trump including battleground wisconsin, the key part of the campaign today. you come here and look at this. new confirmed cases where they rise the fastest, these are the
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top exteten states. battleground texas and battleground florida and midwest area. no matter where you look you look at the numbers, they're sober and they're getting worse and you look at the political over light, this is the tough race for the president because o f joe biden. joe biden has been running from the beginning on leadership. i know how to run the government, i will be confident and we'll deal with this virus. the president is trying to change the subject. the president keeps trying to change the subject but look at michigan, for example, the key battleground states. 42% approved and 55% disapproved. the president wants to make it about law and order and crime and taxes. the virus is in his face. the trend line for joe biden,
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this is battleground wisconsin. 44% just a month ago. the number is going the wrong way for the president. the biden campaign knows this number. they want to focus on leadership and confidence and the presidenpresident tries to change the subject. >> the president does have a path to 270 electoral vote. what is that path? i am seeing a lot of articles about concerns among democrats about turn-out african-americans and among hispanic voters in florida and arizona and some other states. >> let's go through this map. 2016 ptsd among democrats without a doubt is number one. that means you had a head start and more people on the track early. you have to finish the race. this is the president's map four years ago. can he replicate this? this is different than the map i
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showed you. this is where we rate the race right now. if you want to come through everything right now. we have joe biden leaning across the finish line. take all the states that we lean, we lean texas to the president. let's pull it back. we lean to arizona and to the democrats. so if you think of this of the final week of the campaign, how do the president get there? he starts with 125. he has to win texas which is competitive. he has to win florida. he has to win north carolina and he has to win iowa. even if he did that, he only had 231. everywhere else on this map right now, joe biden is leading ahead. yes, the president has a path but he has to be perfect. >> jon king. stay there. i want to bring in our dana bash and david gergen.
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the ground game at this moment, can you explain what it means? the early voting for democrats and republicans, they are concerned about it. >> they are concerned among democrats that they are under performance among african-americans and latinos especially in florida. democrats i talked to all day today and all week said that just be careful, those numbers varied in different states. what does it mean on the ground? >> what it traditionally means is a campaign has a sense of where their potential voters
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are. over the past ten years or so or even more, since obama, the republicans picked up on the way president obama did it in a masterful way and they learned from it and used technology. what they have from now and i went out to western pennsylvania where the trump campaign is trying to boost its turn-out more than it did four years ago which is why president trump won pennsylvania because the red area were so big. on their phones, they have an app, on that app it tells them which house to go to and when they get to that house, who to ask for and when they ask for that person, what the script is will best trying to persuade voters of what they know of their dislikes or likes are. democrats pull back for a long time, republicans never did. >> david, the president's path,
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there is a path for him to win. we all know what happened in 2016 for clinton. what variables could be in place here? >> the way donald trump is responding to the pandemic. his comment today about doctors are h-- so they can get rich frm the pandemic. increasingly for americans, there are four days left before voters can get rid of this
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madman. >> jon, what are they coming down to? >> this is trump's map four years ago. right now in those three right there, pennsylvania, michigan and wisconsin, joe biden is leading. he's leading six or seven points and even bigger. boy, do i get it? i want to make a point here. if you look at our national polls, ten-point average for joe biden. mush beg michigan, 51-43. here is what the president needs. democrats think they are doing well in early voting. the president needs a mind blowing election day turn-out. he needs a mind blowi-blowing t out. look at where the president is. yes, biden is about 50. the president is stuck in the
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low 40s. he does not have the third party candidate to help him at this time. 42-48, may not be enough for michigan. can he do it? they did a good job four years ago, that's why democrats are nervous. it has to happen again on a bigger scale. >> to dana's point of the ground game and democrats were slow to it because of covid and trying to do it in a way that's responsible and protecting workers. how should democrats be on turn-out election day?
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if there is concerns of early voting of african-americans and hispanic voters -- >> you find different concerns within the same state. they should be concerned because of 2016 ptsd. number two, everyone thoun thou trump campaign is short on cash right now but they build a strong technological innovation. everyday is different in the age of big data. here is another point, joe biden is struggling some with latinos if some places, even a place like pennsylvania. remember that's true and that's not good for biden but he's doing so much better on senior citizens than clinton and white men and suburbs than hillary
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clinton. >> can i add one? >> yes, dana. >> the under performance that biden is seeing, i talked to a lot of democrats about this today. what they argue and the big question is whether they are right is that culturally a lot of latino voters and african-american voters like to vote on election day. the fact that they're seeing kind of lower numbers than they had hoped really means they have to bank on that particularly if joe biden has any chance winning florida which could be game over for donald trump if that happens and ail of these voters, they're not monolithic.
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>> david. >> we have to keep our eyes on the big story here. the avalanche of voters coming in or maybe up to 100 million on election day. i don't think that's ground game particularly for any campaign. i think that's spontaneously and it is happening in the country. ton of people are coming out because our democracy is in trouble here. there is something going on that's bigger than all of us. we don't understand it but it may be the base of a big break-through on the election on the democratic part. >> what are you expecting in terms of -- if it is close in votes and this goes to the courts, i guess it is anybody's
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guess then what happens. if biden wins by 1% or 2%, there is no question we'll have a flock of new court cases. we'll be in controversies and people will be on the streets and there is a possibility of guns and violence. let's say it is 8% or 9% then all things, it is going to change. if he gets up to a high percentage, first of all, he makes the controversy goes away and he takes back the senate and takes back the state and house which is important for redistricting the next ten
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years. he can be a much stronger president not just win but win big. >> dana bash and david gergen. >> they'll join us next. thomas freedman. america itself is on the ballot on tuesday. new projection on covid deaths. we'll see how much better it could be if we all wore a mask. we're all putting things off, especially in these times. but some things are too serious to be ignored. if you still have symptoms of crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis even after trying other medications, it may be a sign of damaging inflammation, which left untreated, could get much worse. please make an appointment to see your gastroenterologist right away. or connect with them online. once you do, seeing the doctor is one less thing to worry about. need help finding a doctor? head to crohnsandcolitis.com
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ballot this tuesday. our basic commitment to science and principles and minimum decency that we expect from our leaders. the whole ball of wax is on the ballot. >> this weekend you said maybe "the last weekend of america." can you explain what you mean by that? >> yes, i'm siting here in my home outside of d.c., i am asking myself that question. is this is the last weekend of america as we know it? because it won't be certainly a joe biden's win of a landslide victory. if biden wins a narrow victory, it is very clear what the president is going to do. he's going to challenge every single ballot in every single state. he's going to drag out the
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county and delegitimize the votes and he'll create a situation where we have never had before. when you break something like that, people need to appreciate -- when you break something like that, the united states of america and its ability to freely and fairly elect a legitimate successor, getting it back when you break it -- boy, that'll be really, really hard. >> what are the ripple effects? it is too close, you know, it is in the courts and the courts end up deciding, you know, one candidate refuses to accept it and whatever happens. what do you think the ripple effect is? >> let's start with the country. al gore back in 2000s followed
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to the will of the legitimacy of the supreme court. donald trump will put a bullet into the country. democratic voters are already feeling cheated of the last supreme court justices installed in court. people will be in the street in large number and it will be violent. when you break something of this incredible system that we have been bequeath by our four fathers, it will be really, really difficult. that's why i pray there is only one body that can save us now.
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that's the american people. you know don't count on our secretary of state or attorney general or any of these senators. the only thing that can save us is the american people go off in a overwhelming majority vote for joe biden. anderson, if you were my genie, what would it be? that would be the greatest thing. the greatest thing for america is joe biden win texas. it would blow this party up. the same moderate republicans would reemerge and i can see biden forming a national unity government that would include everyone from aoc to a few republicans on the other.
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the trumpers, donald jr. and sr. could go on fox and do their things and start throwing networks whatever they want. my real hope is that somehow, i will take georgia, anderson, because that would blow up this version of republican party and giver give us what we desperately need. we won't have a healthy liberal party. >> if biden wins texas t do y, think that's a shed moment for the republican party? >> that's what i am saying. if they lose texas, it would be such a shock to the system that it would be the same kind of shock two wins that obama gave them.
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trump just derailed that whole rethink of republicanism and turned it into the cult of trump which has been so unhealthy for the conservative movement and ideas. and so unhealthy for the country. we need a healthy conservative party. if we have a healthy conservative party that can collaborate with the healthy liberal party, we can get back being the country we want to be and need to be. if we reelect him knowing what a norm-destroying, divisive kor rupp liar he is, then the world will not treat the last four years as an aberration.
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>> every democracy have taken a flier on a populace con-man. i come from minnesota, it happens in history. you can do it once. but when you do it twice it is no longer about who he is, it is about who you are. the whole world will look differently at us. if we were to reaffirm and reelect this man. the world will actually start looking at us, really like it looks at russia and china. they'll look at us as a country -- forgive me if you are poor or -- get the hell off mil mil milm my lawn. that's what the statue of liberty will be saying. that'll affect the whole world. the world likes to make fun of america. they love to make fun of us.
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deep down they envy our optimism because these people who come often from cynical and or ru corrupt countries. there is a place called america some where over the rainbow where they do have free and fair honest elections where you can get things done in court without corruption. they'll speak up for human rights and the right values of the world. that's so important for the world and if we go on it, the whole world goes dark. >> have you seen the country on edge like it has been in these final days? >> never in my life. i just know how i feel. i feel it with my family and friends. i have a hard time watching the news. as i said in that column, america is on the ballot. don't kid yourself.
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everything is on the ballot. and if there is one thing we have learned about trump, he does not stop at red lights. there is no bottom there. this is a man also, i think we should come to terms of the fact that people are hoping that his followers will see the light or whatever. he told us early on, he told us early on that he can shoot someone on fifth avenue and his followers will stay with us. those rallies, you can still see that. the important thing also about defeating trump is this. the good lord, he did one good thing for us. he only made one of him. thank god he only made one of him. if he's defeated, i don't think you will see someone like that emerge very quickly. thank god. >> tom friedman, thank you. >> joe biden is in milwaukee
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voted across the nation. texas leads the way. still more votes on election day. our cnn's jon king. the early numbers, they're really astonishing and passing the entire 2016 vote count. >> people are excited to vote. this is the map from 2016. pennsylvania and michigan and wiscons wisconsin, this was the blue wall. donald trump cracked it. can joe biden rebuild it? if democrats actually flip
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texas, look what happens if nothing else changes. if all the clinton states voted and democrats flip texas, joe biden will win the presidency. democrats will win presidency without wisconsin and north carolina and florida and so on and so forth. can they get it this year? unclear. we'll know in four days. add to california and new york, we would rewrite the map of american politics if the democrats can get texas, that's why they are trying. >> you cover a lot of presidential campaign, texas have not gone through blue since jimmy carter, '76. are you surprise? >> i went to texas in '88. let me pull out texas again. i said yes and no.
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yes, i am surprised because texas is changing demographically. it is becoming more latino. one of the frustration is going back to george w. bush. r republicans is having a good relationship with latinos here. the no is this, donald trump is accelerating the change in the suburbs. democrats picked up a house seat here in dallas. the democrats state, the suburban against president is accelerating the transition in texas. will they get there? we can't be sure. you mentioned early voting. in dallas county it is setting records. next to it is setting record and the biggest place is one of the fastest growing places in america is harris county. it is off the charts. if democrats can wrack up latino
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numbers and latino numbers, they have a chance to redo the map. >> george stooerevens and our c strategist, paul. as a veteran campaign operative, do you believe that there is a shot in texas? >> yes. yes! i say that as someone who has watched the democrats lose. they have lost the last 25 years, there has been 180 statewide elections, the democrat haves lost 180. >> i feel like the last couple of years i keep on hearing beto o'rourke going to win texas and hillary clinton. it never seems to amount much. >> beto got really close. hillary was closer in texas than she was in iowa, the state obamacare obama carried.
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he hispanics in texas are turning democratic than the bush's era. this is not george w. bush texas. kamala harris went to fort worth and houston, very smart. she went to mcallen. the turn out there has not been very high. half of the hispanics live south of san antonio and east texas to el paso. south texas is vitally important. i have been campaigning for barack obama down there. he can turn them out and flip the state. m.j. is a candidate there, she's a total bad-ass. texas is in place. it can easily go blue. >> stewart, the trump campaign republicans have been using the
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court to block mail-in votes to be counted and mail-in ballot extensions. what does it say they want fewer people to vote in the election. there is nothing new about this. >> classic sort of jim crow politics updated for modern era. it is the same principle that everybody votes we are going to lose. what does it say about a party? it is terrible. trump's world exists in a america that no longer exists. they have to reconstruct the world and it is like their own alternative reality. they have to try to increase the number of white votes. one of the key reasons donald trump won in 2016 was non white votes decline. i think we'll have off the chart
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non-white votes. >> although -- although some democrats are concerned of african-american early voting, the numbers are not as high as expected among african-americans and some hispanics in florida and arizona and elsewhere. it was a higher percentage turn out. i think you will definitely see it increase. and you know you are seein seeinseeing seeing -- the trump campaign is losing. donald trump is losing. i think it is going to really hurt these down ticket candidates. they're used to getting those votes. i think a lot of senators are going to fall because of it. >> paul, if you were running the
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biden campaign, where would you be deploying your resources? i know you would say obama to go to texas. >> i think joe and kamala is right. you can't take your eyes off the prize. georgia is going to flip more likely than texas. as much as i want those states. you got to repair the damage done in michigan, pennsylvania, and wisconsin. democrats are working very hard there. i would struck at the closest argument. it is about healing and with covid as we lost now 292,000 americans and i think that's where the country is. the president though, his message has changed. i am curious of what stewart thinks about this, in 2016, it was about your grievances on trade, things that make you angry. he's whining about the media and the weather, why do i have to be
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eerie and even when he talks about covid and collapse, it is about how it affects him. he lost the thread on what works for him in 2016. >> i think paul is right. he's a white grievance candidate. the problem is the greatest v grievance that america has is covid. he's out there attacking doctors of some plot to kill people because they make more money. i don't think attacking doctors is a close message for a presidential race in the middle of the pandemic. i think the message of joe biden is one that's very calming and very consistent of who he is. it just seems real. he's a man who can speak to healing and grief in a unique way. >> george stevens and paul. appreciate it. had the biggest issue of this campaign, coronavirus as we were talking about. the president is trying to down
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i'm proud to support prop 15." vote yes. schools and communities first is responsible for the content of this ad. one of our guests said 290,000 died because of covid. the actual number is lower, it is 229,000. it is obscene that the president is suggesting this. it is odd to attack the doctors that's trying to save lives. joining me now is dr. chris
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murray of the university of washington and our dr. sanjay gupta. dr. murray, the latest forecast is the most dire we have ever seen predicts by the middle of january, of americans dying everyday, can you explain how you got that? >> we are entering the full winter surge that's really largely being driven by covid being seasonal and so we are expecting increase transmission. look at europe, they're going into lockdown. our government is not responding to the uptake cases, hospitalizations and now deaths. put the two together and we have a grim winter ahead. >> what a sentence. >> our government is not responding to the up taking
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cases. sanjay, i know you have a question for dr. murray, we are crossing they do seem to be a precursor for us as we were watching them in the spring. are there lessons then we should be taking from the eu and is there some indication that the united states is going to behave any differently or is this sort of preordained at this point? >> there's a lot of discussion in different countries in europe, different strategies. they've had five or six weeks of exponential growth, people are hitting the panic button there, going back into very strict lockdown in some cases. the big question is, can we use things like universal mask use, you know, avoiding large gatherings, and having people
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who have the ability to work from home, you know, stay working from home, can we use that to put off the time when we're going to be forced into much more strict lockdown. i think that's the challenge for us as a nation. >> you think it's inevitable that there will be stricter lockdowns? >> you know, i think if you look at our scenario around, you know, 95% of people wearing masks, a lot of states can put off mandates, well into the winter, maybe throughout the whole winter. if you look at what happened in victoria state in australia, they were able to get mask use up, you know, incredibly high levels in a very short period of time. if we can do that, we can defer lockdowns for many months. >> so you're saying that if states, if they don't react to the rising cases by enacting stricter mandates, then you project 399,000 total
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coronavirus deaths by february 1, and that could rise to 514,000 deaths if -- is that right? >> yeah. >> if they don't oppose those mandates. >> that's trying to build into the modeling what we think states will do. we think when things get really bad, if you wait until it's really late and then put back in social distancing measures, that's where we get our 399,000 figure. if you do nothing, you get a much worse winter ahead. that's the 500,000 plus figure. but i think we can use things like masks to bring the -- not only save lives, but put off having to put these much stricter controls in place. in our numbers this week, we see that 18 states are going to have real stress on their icus in the months of december and january, maybe actually overcapacity. and that's a real prospect on
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the horizon. >> dr. murray, we talk about the overall number of people who are infected. but the hospitalization numbers as you're mentioning, you think that's probably the truest sort of measure of what's actually happening in the country? i mean, i wonder if you agree with that. but also, when you talk about this stress, do you have the data to be able to really predict how much stress there's going to be on these hospital systems? i've been trying to get this data myself, different counties, different states, sometimes it's hard to obtain. do you have the data and do you think that will be the truest sort of measure of what's happening here? >> so hospitalizations are definitely our best measure. they're a leading indicator in front of deaths. and they don't suffer from the sensitivity of the case numbers, who you test and how much you test. so we really put a lot of faith in hospitalization numbers. we don't have all the data. and we know, and it's been in the media this week, that the government has really good data
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on daily hospitalizations by hospital, by age, by sex, by race, ethnicity. they're not releasing it to the public. it would be a really big help for us to understand where we are in the epidemic and who is going to have, you know, hospitals that are severely under stress going forward. >> why aren't they releasing that data? i'm just curious. i've been trying to get it as well. >> you know, i wrote an editorial in "the new york times" about this, and quite honestly, i don't know. it's so much in the public's interest to have that data out for the whole of the public, the media, the research community, to help guide us through the course of the epidemic. the only thing i can imagine is that there are things in the data that they don't really want the public discussing. >> how, jeez. that's where we are. that's the reality now. sanjay, thank you. dr. murray, as always, thank you
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aisles abruptly changed course. it had said it would remove them as a precaution. a walmart spokesman says several of its stores were damaged earlier this week. the company said guns and ammo would still be available for purchase. late today the company said the products would begin to return to sales floors. the reason, those incidents have remained, quote, geographically isolated. back in june walmart instituted similar measures following nationwide protests over the death of george floyd in minnesota. join us for election results the way only cnn can bring it to you. see what's happening in your state, across the country. election night in america coverage, tuesday, starts 4:00 p.m. eastern. when it ends, we shall see. one more programming note. we'll be with you all weekend with special editions of "360."
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hope you join me for that. the news continues right now. let's hand it over to chris for "cuomo prime time." >> you are our iron man, anderson, i'll be watching and at the ready for you until this ends. get some rest when you can. i am chris cuomo. welcome to "prime time." happy hallow eve. not that reality isn't spooky enough, right? we do have a real importance in our midst this year. it's virus. it's on the move. it's in the shadows. it's in the light of day. the sense of foreboding that we all feel is very real. and yet this is no bogeyman, no figment of our imagination. it's not true because somebody just tells you it is. it's not just in your head. this has been the worst week ever for coronavirus cases in the united states. we broke the daily case record again today. we have now surpassed 90,000 infections in one day. i know the president
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