that will come once these canvasses are done. i will note stepien mentioned data, a state clinton won, that's giving biden confidence now. each side will express confidence. sometimes it will be hard to separate out the confidence and spin from the data but we do have votes to look at and we do have information. in nevada what is giving the trump campaign some hope is that i think we're up to like 86% of the estimated vote in nevada that there's a greater percentage of outstanding vote. but here is the problem. so much of that outstanding vote is in clark county las vegas, or warshaw. not only the absentee trending towards biden but democratic heavy areas in the state. i'm not sure the confidence from

the trump campaign about nevada is warranted but plenty of counting to go which keeps them in the game there. >> we count and count and these tallies are changing. >> the top of the hour. biden campaign moments ago saying they are on a clear path to victory. vote count out of michigan and wisconsin, the mood at headquarters is optimistic. vote counting isn't over, won't be today, tomorrow, maybe friday. we have breaking news on outstanding ballots in michigan. cnn sara sidner has the breaking news. sar sara. >> reporter: hey, michigan secretary of state told reporters just moments ago they have just over 100,000 ballots that are still outstanding, that still need to be counted. but she says she's optimistic the majority of those ballots will be tabulated by the end of today saying that, look, she

thinks by day she'll have those tallied. it will be unofficial but a very good idea of who took this state. joe biden has been up about 30,000 or so points as they have gotten to this point, just over 100,000 to be left. we're in wayne county. that's the most populous county. this is detroit. behind me what you're seeing is the count going on. it has been going on for showers like everywhere else. people on pins and needles wondering who will take this state. we should remember, too, this is a historic here because there are more voters that came out this year than any other time in the history of the state. 5.1 -- more than 5.1 million people came out to vote, cast their ballots. we should mention that the last time they hit a record was 2008. that was when barack obama won. that was about 60,000 votes less than what people have cast now.

incredible number of people have come out to vote and they are counting every single one. i will tell you this, what we've been seeing through the day, we will see people lifting up red flags any time they have any kind of discrepancy, any kind of issue they see with a ballot and then a supervisor comes over and checks it. it is meticulous the way they are going through each of these ballots. if there's any problem, trust me, someone will find it. they also have dozens of challengers here both from the republican side of things and the democratic side of things who are walking around. anyone you see walking around, many are challengers looking at each and every vote. if there's a problem they swarm the table to make sure that every vote is counted. anderson. >> it's a really important point you make given what we anticipate, obviously, from the trump campaign. what sort of things warrants a red flag from somebody? is it signature discrepancy?

something wrong with the ballot? multiple marks on the ballot? what is it? >> i can literally tell you what i just heard. i was listening as someone raised a red flag to say, hey, we have an issue. someone was counting the ballot. they noticed a name appeared to be on the ballot twice with two different addresses. they were concerned that person may have voted twice. they have taken that ballot to ensure there could be someone with the same name, first and last name. they were looking to be sure that person did not vote twice. it's things like that. they are looking at every single detail. i think it should be made very clear there is -- if you look around this room and you see the number of people watching this, this is a free and fair election. there have been no major problems according to the secretary of state. there are people painstakingly spending their time going through every single vote and any problem that arises, trust me, you'll hear about it from

challengers, whether democratic or republican challenger. you will certainly hear about it. it may end up in the courts to there is a huge challenge at some point in the day. so far things going very smoothly here, anderson. >> sara sidner, appreciate that. i want to go back to john king, who is also standing by at the magic wall. john, given what we learned from sara, 100,000 votes in michigan still outstanding, where do we stand in that state in terms of this race? >> let me do this backwards and explain why today matters so much then i'll drill down on some of the states. i want to stop again what we saw with sara sidner, standing in a room watching americans count votes trans apparently. this is how it works. the president and the truth have a casual relationship. we know that from the past four years. when he talks about this, that is not had you it works.

this is my ninth election, covered races for governors. that's how it works. eyeballs in there. if a republican sees something they don't like they will ask something, if a democrat sees something they will say something. i'm told we have to go back to you. >> a major projection. we are projecting state of maine going for joe biden. let's look at this. joe biden is the winner in the state of maine getting three out of four electoral votes in the state. joe biden 76,648 votes ahead, 54.2% to 42.6%, a pick up for joe biden in the race to 270. john. >> so anderson, i was just going to see i wanted to go backwards, drill down on the states first. the main count you just gave us, that projection makes all the reason to do so. this is where we stand. joe biden 224, 21 s 3 for donald

trump. let's do the math you gave me. i gave most of it, take one away. maine does this by congressional district. you just gave joe biden three. let's assume donald trump carries maine's second congressional district. still counting votes. joe biden will get three. that will get joe biden to 227. this is why today matters so much. let's walk through this with me. please are patient. we haven't called alaska yet. we expect that to go to the president. that would get him up to 217. north carolina we haven't called that, georgia. they are still counting that. president has a lead. democrats want to count that. hypothetical exercise. if this stays red, this stays red, that gets the president to 248. this is why today is so critical to what you're hearing. that has the president within striking distance. but, now the but, joe biden leading in nevada, joe biden leading in arizona. we're not done with those states yet but that gets you 248 to 244, leading in wisconsin, leading in michigan. if that holds up, game over even

without the commonwealth of pennsylvania. that is why today is so important because we expect progress here, expect progress here. joe biden leads in both michigan and wisconsin as those vote counts continue. if the vote counts in arizona and nevada continue to have biden leading, he could be by the end of the dayers won't be certified, be lawyers involved but joe biden can get to 270. even if the president held onto the lead he has in pennsylvania that would get you 270-268. 270 gives you president of the united states. that is razor thin. that is why today matters. >> what's so interesting about that, without needing pennsylvania. pennsylvania we heard from secretary of state could take till friday to get a final count. there's even ballots coming in from service members overseas and americans living overseas that may take longer. if you don't need pennsylvania, biden campaign doesn't need pennsylvania, we could have a vote by the end of today, by tomorrow.

>> we could have solid numbers. if they are very close, remember what david chalian said earlier. we will know the math. that doesn't mean they certified them. states a certain percentage losing candidate, trailing candidate has a right to a recount. given what we heard from the president last night and campaign team today, we have every reason to believe they will be challenged. it is their legal right. if it's razor thin, that is their right. if you're a biden supporter, you need to respect that rate. it would be nice if the president would respect the votes. everybody needs to respect the laws and votes. drill down, this is important, if that leads hold in michigan and wisconsin and leads in arizona and nevada what you told us about maine could get joe biden to the finish line. the biden campaign believes over time pennsylvania is going to flip his way over time. just think about the period we could be going into. even if we keep this one uncertain, let's leave pennsylvania as a toss-up.

by the end of the day biden cam paper could say we think we have 270, trump campaign says no and we enter into uncertain period where results are not certified. math is the math. we see it with our eyes. we're watching people count votes but they aren't certified. i'm going to come over here just to check in. sara sidner was just here. i hope our viewers, remember what you saw, transparency, honest hardworking people counting votes. raising a flag if somebody sees something odd. somebody thought it was a same name. they have two names. they check the voter rolls, go back to the precinct and sort it out every time in elections. >> that's why i followed up with her. i think it's so fascinating the level of eyes on each ballot. there are poll watchers there from both supporters of president trump, supporters of vice president biden, and their voices are also heard in this process. >> they are. again, i said this last night,

i'll say it again. no matter who wins, look at this, 69 million for joe biden, 66.4 for president trump. they are still counting votes. those totals higher. joe biden leading with 69. hillary clinton won the popular with 65.8. more americans voted in this election. that is a good thing no matter who wins. come back to this election here. counting. maybe a civics lesson for people who haven't seen close elections, those are decent people counting votes. some are democrats, some are republicans. that's not what they are doing. they are americans sitting there counting votes. she was in michigan -- >> they are saying 100,000 votes -- about 100,000 votes still to be counted in michigan. do we know, is it mostly wayne county? >> we know a lot are in wayne county, the largest jurisdiction in the state. remember what you said, we need to count them. use common sense, joe biden ahead by 31,261, if there's 100,000 left donald trump needs to win two-thirds or in that

ballpark to catch up. that's really hard to do if a lot of them are from wayne county where joe biden is right now getting 67% of the vote. that's just basic common sense there about the trajectory. sometimes the count defies common sense. sometimes there's a surge, something we don't know about. let's count them. no shame in counting them. that's why the biden campaign is optimistic because of where the votes are counted, the lead they have now, the data that everybody has. both campaigns have this. the trump campaign knows this. that's why the president came out in that mood last night. they know the votes counted in michigan most likely will be disproportionately for joe biden. they know votes counted in wisconsin are likely to be because they are early mail-in ballots and we know democrats by disproportionate voted early, most counted are those and we know disproportionately for joe biden. over here the president's lead, 41,000 678. that's a lot. we know in the counties they are

missing, including down here in philadelphia county, they tend to be overwhelming for joe biden. this is a steep hill for biden to climb to come back in commonwealth of pennsylvania. it is doable because we know the number of ballots outstanding and know roughly from the ballots counted the percentage he's getting. if he can match that percentage, ballots, he can get back in the game. again, when you hear tension from the campaigns, i want to walk over here, the trump campaign is essentially saying please stop counting votes here. we don't like that you counted votes overpass here. we don't like you counted votes overnight here. excuse me, can you keep counting votes out here and out here. again, set the politics aside. that's politics because of the math. the math is trending against him right now. they are trying to argue in places they are hurting and trying to keep the door hoping something brings them back. they are close. the math tells you it's not going their way. that's okay. they have every right to ask people to look closely.

the trump campaign, biden campaign, i wish they would turn down the volume but i'm not naive enough to think they will. >> in those states they are counting votes, the legislature in those states did not allow them to process them earlier. >> yes. in both michigan and wisconsin you have a situation where you have democratic governors and republican, at least one chamber of the legislature by republicans. asked secretary of state benson on earlier, spoken to her repeatedly over the last several months. she kept saying we're heading into this scenario, this scenario that's going to make it more controversial, more open to people criticizing it. i think it's fantastic it's transparent in our correspondence, everybody's. again, republicans and democrats. not just the news media, democrats and republicans have people in there to watch. that is how it works. yes, they had asked some time ago could the legislature help. let me put another point on the table, too. we've known for months we could

end up in this scenario. one of the things the conversations in washington when they were debating coronavirus stimulus, do you give states more aid to help with this? do you surge more resources in to help the post office? did any of that happen from this town? no. it's not all the president's fault but he had no interest in helping with the vote count, post office, that was a nonstarter from the white house. here we are. guess what, the states know what they are doing and will count the votes. >> let's go to erin. >> let's go to gloria and abbey as we start to see gray pieces fill in, small pieces of the puzzle as we wait, coming in a bit by bit. we have a sense of part of maine. what are you hearing from the biden campaign? >> well, look, just like you're hearing from the trump campaign, i think they are saying they are very confident. they believe if they don't win pennsylvania, they think they need to win pennsylvania, obviously they would like to win pennsylvania. if they don't get pennsylvania or georgia, they are very, very

confident about nevada. they are very confident about arizona. so they think they are on the way. i've been talking to a couple of people this morning about trump deciding to take this to court because the democrats have been there before. they have been there before 20 years ago. it did not go well for them when it was taken to the supreme court. but what was talked about 20 years ago is what you are talking about now, which is counting the votes versus stopping counting the votes. so what they say is that republicans are throwing up roadblocks in state after state. you have a president of the united states who has effectively said -- who has said stop counting, which as we all know is anti-democratic. the democrats are wondering, as am i, when some republican will publicly come out and say this

is ridiculous. not whispering privately to journalists, not whispering privately to each other but when is someone going to come out and say, mr. president, this is a democracy, we need to count the votes. after all, in the state of michigan, for example, last time, you only won by 10,000 votes. what are you going to say about that? in the state of wisconsin, you won by 22,000 votes. so you have no right to say any of this until all the votes are counted. you know, they are not going to get through to him, because, of course, he's still claiming in the last election he won the popular vote, which we know he did not. >> of course 2.8 million advantage in the popular vote as we have it right now for joe biden. abbey, when you look at these numbers. to gloria's point, mitch

mcconnell spoke a moment ago or within the last hour as he's won. his comment was claiming you win the election is different from winning the count. that's the strongest thing we've heard from a republican at this hour. looking at these numbers coming in, looking at the votes as they are tabulated and looking at that popular vote margin in favor of biden. >> yeah, it's something. i would say we need to wait and see what continues to happen as this week goes on. there are a lot of republicans even in the united states senate who have tacitly approved of the president's stated strategy, which would be to take this to the supreme court to litigate the validity of a certain type of ballot, mail-in ballots specifically. not because there's anything necessarily wrong or proven to be fraudulent but just because they are mail-in ballots. so until i start to see republicans speaking out about that, i'm going to reserve judgment on that situation. look, i think this is a divided

country. we have repeatedly seen the winner of the presidential contest with the electoral votes not necessarily being the person who wins the popular vote count. for the democratic party, this is something that particularly affected them. it angers a lot of democrats. i think the question for the democratic party today, if joe biden does, in fact -- if he does pull this out, even if he does pull this out, they have a big question before them, which is how do they become more solidly competitive in these battleground states so we're not always in these type of squeaker situations. i've been talking to a lot of democrats and a lot of republicans who say, look, this result is going to be what it is but both parties are going to have to do a lot of soul searching about what happens next. these kinds of margins, 10,000 votes, 30,000 votes in three or four states, it's an unsustainable situation.

>> it really is. one year it's 10,000, one year 30. it's laser thin when talking about millions of votes. context when you look at michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania, all with gop-controlled legislatures that weren't able to start counting early and absentee ballots early. okay. so here we are. yet the sense of things we're getting from wisconsin and michigan is a lot more coloredl? >> a lot slower. what's going on? >> well, in pennsylvania it was really complicated situation. but what i would say is it's a failure of the legislature to do what it should have done. the republicans and democrats were arguing over when you could start the count. and they thought they had an agreement. it fell apart because people on the republican side, we're told, were adding other things into the agreement. as a result, instead of being able to at least start opening

envelopes, putting them in some order, doing what they needed to do, they ended up in many counties starting late. when you start late, this is what occurs. there was no trust on either side in the legislature. they are pointing fingers at each other. but the result is that pennsylvania is now in a situation where it is not counting its ballots as quickly as it needs to. look, i personally believe the american public can wait a couple of days. everybody is very anxious. bush/gore took 36 days, and it did go to the supreme court. what you have now is a situation that is inflamed by the president of the united states. during bush/gore, while they were arguing different sides, the candidates, nobody charged the other side saying this is stealing the election if you

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and there is a key race alert that shows president trump's lead has narrowed a bit in the commonwealth of pennsylvania and in georgia as well. pennsylvania now, the president still leading with 472,623 votes, but that is actually -- vice president biden has gained about 70,000 votes, eating into president trump's lead. also in georgia, the president still ahead with 87,608 votes. just in the last few moments as more votes counted, vice president biden has gained about 15,000 votes in the state of georgia. so narrowing the lead for the president in both pennsylvania

and georgia. more votes still to be counted. erica hill is standing by in nevada with some information about when we may see more votes there. erica. >> yeah. a lot of questions, anderson, about these six electoral votes in nevada. the secretary of state made it clear this morning, we're not going to get more results from the secretary of state for another 24 hours, not until 9:00 a.m. on thursday. as we look at the numbers right now, this is a very tight race between joe biden and donald trump here in nevada. what folks are really focused on are mail-in ballots. keep in mind for the first time ever the state sent a ballot to every active voter because of covid in the state. so we know a number of those were returned, more than 600,000. a number of people showed up to vote. really strong voter turnout. early voting lasted two weeks. in nevada, we had 84,000 voters come out just in clark county

alone yesterday, and a real focus on clark county because this is home, anderson, to about 70% of active voters in the state that leans heavily democratic. as people watch that, they want to know where the split is. right now joe biden also leading among votes tabulated here in clark county. again, mail-in ballots. in nevada as long as that ballot is postmarked by election day, as long as it was postmarked yesterday, it can arrive through november 10th and still be counted. there are a couple of days built in, too, in case there are issues with the ballot, in case the signature needs to be cured. as for when we'll know, yes, we'll need more information from the secretary of state tomorrow, counties will be updating as well, but we may not have that final count for another few days. we simply don't know how many mail-in ballots could be coming in. >> fascinating. erica hill, appreciate that. we're awaiting word from secretary of state in wisconsin for an update on the ballots in

wisconsin, on what ballots need to be looked at. let's go back to john king. let's talk about pennsylvania and georgia and nevada. whichever one you want to start with, maybe nevada since we were just there with erica hill. atmosphere tight race, where are the votes to be counted. >> west to east, keep counting. as erica smartly noted. you look at the map, close, 49.3 to 48.7, so the trump campaign says let's keep counting. they have every right to do so. let's see if consistency east. to erica's point most of the votes, 72, 3% are going to come out of here. las vegas, fastest growing suburbs in america. more than seven in ten votes right here out of this county. joe biden winning 53-45 if you look now. about 84% in clark county.

that means giant chunk of votes out of predominantly democratic area, which are mail-in votes, which we know are going toward joe biden. every reason for biden to think they will grow here. in the western part of the state reno, you get further north, more rural and republican, down in the suburbs. they say it's close, used to be swing area, leans democratic, 51-47. the bulk of the votes in the two big population centers, reno area around it and vegas area and around it. joe biden ahead by 7,000 votes. again, common sense tells you you're leading, have you mail-in you're likely even if they split like this. but we count them. the trump campaign has every right to say let's wait this out and see how it goes. move east, that's the intellectual inconsistency, if you will. keep going up there, they are close and every right to say that but they want to stop here because they are ahead. 472,000 votes now, 472,623. that's a healthy lead especially

when you see 80% there. the question is where is the 20% you're missing. secretary of state tells us a million votes still to be counted. this is a rolling number. they have counted some ballots. still a chunk to be counted. a lot come from here. again, you have to use your common sense sat home no matter who you support in the election. you've got 60% of the vote, just above it in philadelphia. it's always blue, it will be blue for the foreseeable future. you've got joe biden winning with 78%, president at 22 if you round up. a lot of votes to be counted here. we'll see if this goes by. >> john, we're hearing from wisconsin election officials. let's listen. >> valid ballot has been counted and recorded accurately. today the wisconsin elections commissions staff will be standing ready to assist clerks as they start the process of triple checking the results. the statutorily required canvass

process begins today before we can certify the results. this includes the random selection of 5% of voting equipment that's used in this election which must be audited to make sure that the paper tally is the same as the voting equipment. so all those things have to happen before we have certified results. yesterday's voting process in election night counting went very well in wisconsin and across the country. despite more absentee ballots, the evening proceeded in a very normal fashion. our election was executed with precision, and it's also -- every step of the process is publicly observable. every step of the elections process is publicly observable. you can observe election day and voters casting their ballot. you can on serve votes being tallied at night. the voter registration records are public information.

the absentee data is public information. each of the results are posted on the county's website. again, our job as election administrators is to follow the law. what the law says on election night each municipality submits their unofficial results. unofficial being the key word to their county and the county then posts by reporting unit on their website. there is no certified election night aggregate of results. that is according to state law. that is not a process we made up or adopted. that is according to state law and we followed state law. part of democracy is following the laws that have been prescribed by our elected lawmakers. elected lawmakers have prescribed this for canvassing in our jurisdictions. i'm incredibly proud of the work

done by wisconsin election officials and i feel 100% confident in the election that they conducted and that the laws that are established by our elected lawmakers were followed in yesterday's election. so we don't -- there's no calling elections at the state level, right? that's called certification. certification is a very meticulous, careful process that commences with the certification at the state level on december 1st. up until that point, there is no statewide aggregate, theany of those predictions you're hearing are predictions by the media and other groups based on unofficial results. i just think that's so important. i know for so many of us, we've spent the last few months talking about this on end, talking about the mechanics of how the process works. so i think, you know, as we head into today, it's really important to continue to convey

that message that we've all been working so hard to understand exactly how the process works and bring those mechanical facts to wisconsin voters. unfortunately earlier this morning i may have misspoken about all of the unofficial results being in from our municipal clerks around the state. we have 1850 municipal clerks around the state. it looks like, looking through all those county websites, that every single one of those jurisdictions has submitted their unofficial results except for one tiny township of less than 300 voters, and they are working to get their ballots finished and counted and posted as we speak. so beyond that, we have no reason to believe there are any other ballots that have not yet been counted and included as part of those unofficial totals. but again, the canvass process so important, right? the canvass process is where the

municipal election officials double-check the results to make sure they have the correct number of registrations, to make sure everything checks out. the counties they do the same. today at 4:00 is actually the deadline for municipalities to start their canvass process and route their materials over to counties where they start their certification process at the county level. they, again, do those double checks. all this publicly observable. you can watch in your local communities. if you're skeptical about the process, engage. you can go watch the process in your local community. then it goes to the county level. they do their double checks. from there it comes to the state. by state law on december 1st at the public meeting at the wisconsin election commission is when results are certified and that's when we'll have the official winner, have the official results of the election at that december 1st meeting as prescribed by state law.

and so with that, i don't know if you had any other background you want to lend, then we can open it up for questions. >> okay. you've been listening to wisconsin officials talking about the elections, the state of the race there. john king, correct me if i'm wrong, essentially she's saying there are no more ballots, noey more votes to count except one township there may be 300 or so votes. right now vice president biden has a lead of about 20,000 votes in wisconsin. >> that is what she said. what you just heard there was very refreshing and revealing. refreshing in that state officials feel the need to talk about how transparent this process is, how normal, even though we're going into overtime the day after. we're counting votes, not done. this is what happens in close elections. that's refreshing to talk about transparency. everybody can watch this, media, individual citizens, both

campaigns, both parties are represented in every room where they are counting ballots. the revealing part december 1st is when they certify the results in wisconsin. because of this 20,696 -- again, as she voted every county now goes back and does a systems check, quality control check, checks the machines, a percentage of them, and match it up with what you report. okay. everything matches up. or that's a little off and double-check it. all the counties will go through that today. that's what happens in every election in america on the morning after every time. nothing unusual. she says we're just about done. that means if joe biden -- if that holds up, 20,697, a few more hundred to come in. you're largely counted here. you pop again milwaukee county, we have it at 95%. the county may change those numbers. if this is the count, what she just said, the most interesting part here, they don't certify it. she does not call the election. sometimes media makes projections. she will certify this december 1st. so if we're going to have legal

challenges, lawsuits, if we're going to have challenges and processes or if the trump campaign wants to request a recount, you have to wait until the state certifies results, then you do that. if we're in an uncertain period if this holds up, 20,000 there, i'll walk over here, that holds up and you have this here, wisconsin holds, michigan lead holds, arizona lead holds and nevada lead holds, that gets joe biden to 270, anderson, just that. we're still counting in pennsylvania, waiting to get the rest of north carolina. georgia officials say that one is getting closer. some important votes to count in democratic counties. with michigan, wisconsin, arizona and nevada, if those leads hold, joe biden is leading in all four of those, that would get joe biden to 270. it would get him to 270 in our math and public results we have here. it's not certified. that's when you get into the process of what could be i'm going to say interesting and contentious next several days

and potentially next several weeks. again, every campaign has legal right to double-check the ballots. every campaign can look at state law. there's nothing wrong with that. we should be patient and walk through it. the fact the state doesn't certify it until december 1st, we're in limbo here. >> when we come back, let's look at arizona and nevada and obviously also in wisconsin and michigan and see where any votes that are left, where they are, what kind of counties are left to be counted in. right now let's go back to erin. >> yeah. as we try to wait on these states, fill in these gray states into the color they will be, i want to go to the georgia secretary of state. thank you very much for being with me. look, georgia, we're still waiting. where does the counting stand right now? >> well, right now we're finishing up that process. there's probably in the order of 200,000 ballots yet to be counted and we're pushing the

counties really hard to finish that up today. >> you want to finish up today. i want to understand where those 200,000 are, if we could. 200,000 you're saying still outstanding. i know we have just heard about 74,000 of those come from fulton county near atlanta. do you know really where all those 200,000 come from? >> well, the larger numbers are from the larger populated counties, fulton, dekalb, some fast growing counties are have like 7,000. it's really statewide but they are working really diligently today to finish up and get all the absentee ballots scanned and tabulated. >> in georgia i know there's no automatic recount law. you can get a recount if the margin is equal to or less than .5%, a half of one percent. is my understanding correct? do you think you're going to be in those margins and this could happen? >> well, wouldn't be surprised

if we had that particularly for a state house or state senate just because sometimes those elections are within 100 or 200 votes. it's very possible to have those. then we also could have it for congressional seat or u.s. senate, perhaps presidential. but we'll face that if it comes to it. within a half percent, the candidate short by that amount, they can request a recount and we can do that. >> all right. as you said by the end of the day bottom line you hope we'll have a full answer from georgia, correct? >> that's what we're pushing for? >> thank you very much. secretary ravens berger, you heard him there by the end of the day. still 200,000 to count, 74,000 coming from fulton county with atlanta. next a live report on some of the issues that have plagued ballots especially those carried by u.s. postal service. we have new figures on how many votes may not make it in by the state deadlines. they have to be received by a certain date or your vote

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the president now complaining about the mail-in vote as he has been and federal court getting new data on how shockingly slow the delivery of the ballots has been. breaking news, ana cabrera has that for us. >> anderson, a federal judge saying he needs answer going so far as to say the postmaster general may need to be deposed or questioned under oath. this shows a significant amount of ballots that did not move on time on election day.

let's take a look at key state of pennsylvania where we learned only 62% of the ballots in the central pennsylvania usps district and only 67% of philadelphia metro usps district were processed on time. this affected 14,411 ballots in those districts. now, thankfully in pennsylvania ballots are allowed to arrive up until friday, three days after election day as long as they are postmarked by election day. but in six of the battleground states with the low processing scores, michigan, wisconsin, georgia, florida, new hampshire and maine, they do not allow ballots to arrive after election day. so means some ballots may not have arrived on time to be counted. in three of these states we just mentioned of those six states that are still battle grounds, where there was that low processing score, three of them have yet to be called, michigan, wisconsin, and georgia. it's unclear, though, how many ballots in those states specifically may have been affected. but this really matters.

two-thirds of voters in michigan voted absentee or by mail, according to secretary of state there. think about the slim margin we're seeing in a state like wisconsin. 97% of the vote counted there. biden is leading by only about 20,000 votes. anderson, every vote counts. we just learned there are ongoing sweeps being done at some of these usps processing facilities in battleground states. we'll keep you posted, especially as we learn more as this court hearing continues. >> the judge said they had to do sweeps before the election. do we know, were those done? >> some of them were done but they weren't completed on time. that was the problem. as far as we know based on the reporting we have, only 13 ballots identified in those sweeps. again, the judge unhappy because the sweeps weren't done on time. we do know the processing has been slow in so many of these a little ground states, anderson. >> appreciate the update. new reporting on wisconsin, the

trump campaign saying they are going to contest the outcome in wisconsin. let's go to cnn john harwood for details. jo john. john is not ready yet. this is just coming in. let's go to david chalian standing by. david, the trump campaign saying they are going to contest in wisconsin. >> here is the statement from campaign manager bill stepien. i'm going to read it, anderson. it says the president is well within the threshold to request a recount and we will immediately do so. the campaign goes on to complain that it's a razor thin race. we knew it would be. there have been reports of irregularities in several wisconsin counties that raise doubts about the validity of the results. that's what the trump cam paper is claiming. we know in wisconsin if the margin between the candidates is less than 1%, certainly the losing candidate can, indeed, request a recount, anderson.

it doesn't necessarily mean that much will change. in 2016 jill stein requested a recount and i don't think many votes shifted as all after recount. that was when donald trump won by a similar vote margin, 20,000 votes, that he's losing it right now. i think we heard wisconsin election officials say they only have about 300 votes left to count. this is near complete initial count we're seeing in wisconsin. >> the election official in wisconsin saying there's only one township that hasn't sent in results. in that township there's only about 300 votes outstanding at last count in wisconsin as you see there on your screen. vice president biden up by a little more than 20,000 votes and wisconsin says, essentially the votes have been counted. we'll see what the state says on the recount. john harwood is standing by as well monitoring events from the white house where the trump campaign is headquartered. john. >> anderson, one thing we need

to point out is you can't make a formal request for a recount until 10 days after the votes have been canvassed. there's a review process. at the end of that ten-day process they can request a recount. it's worth pointing out that the trump campaign in 2016 after losing -- after winning wisconsin by a narrow margin over hillary clinton opposed having a recount, which ended up not making all that much difference. obviously a turn about here but this is a legal strategy the trump campaign can avail itself of and they are going to avail itself of that strategy while trying to simultaneously continue counting votes in arizona where it might help them stop the counting of votes in pennsylvania where it could hurt them. >> i want to go to legal analyst, in terms of how legal

recounts work, about the trump administration -- or i should say trump campaign requesting a recount, what's the legality on this? >> well, first, anderson, thank you for having me. let me emphasize, this is still part of a normal process. when you have two candidates that are as close as vice president joe biden and president trump, it is normal for the campaign trailing to request a recount. so in wisconsin the margin is sealed within 1%, so it's not unusual that the trump campaign has articulated their desire to request a recount. what it does do is it drags out the process a little bit. maybe we should normalize patience. we have been saying for months now this process would have to play out. the votes would have to be counted. it's unlikely we will know who the president is on election night. i view this as part of the larger narrative. i may be a few days and possibly weeks before we know who the president is. this recount process is part of the broader selection process of choosing a pr john harwood was saying it has

to be -- the official request has to be ten days from now, from the election. generally how long does a recount take? >> it can drag out. so in 2000 with the dispute over brush versus gore, it was 34 days before we had a resolution in that dispute. there have been senate races, coleman franklin where it took manslaughter before we knew who won that seat. it really depends. it depends how close the margin is, depends on the disputed ballots. it depends on -- it depends on how contentious the race is because the more contentious it is, the more lawyers involved, the more heavily litigated it is. there are a number of things still up in the air that could determine what happens in wisconsin, for example. >> i appreciate it. thanks. great having you. votes counted at this hour, several states too close to call. what does it mean in the race for 270 electoral votes?

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300 votes not counted in one small township jeff zeleny has the reaction from the campaign. jeff. >> erin, there's no question the biden campaign has been anticipating this. they know where these battle grounds are and they have been preparing for all of these scenarios. we are told that the biden campaign will respond within the hour to any formal recount request. but again, they are not going to respond to threats of a request. of course in the last 12 hours or so we've heard from the white house, the president saying he will take it to the supreme court. now we've heard campaign manager bill stepien saying he will request a formal recount in wisconsin. we will expect formal response from the biden campaign once that is made. the reality is this, talking to lawyers and others in the campaign, they believe this margin right now of some 20,000 or so is sufficient enough to withstand any recount. in previous recounts in the state of wisconsin, it's just a few hundred votes at issue. erin, certainly as we sort of watch all of this unfold, it is

different than 20 years ago, the 2000 campaign. in the florida it ended up in florida. wisconsin was one of the first places lawyers for al gore and george w. bush looked as well because wisconsin was so narrow. they ultimately decided only to go to florida over looking iowa, new mexico, centering on one state more favorable to them. as we watch this unfold this afternoon, the trump campaign will have to make a decision here which state to focus on. having multiple lawsuits may not be the best strategy. the biden campaign will respond formally once that request is in. earp, i'm told we're expected to hear from joe biden in the coming hours. it could be this afternoon. we'll see how this changes all of that. there is a lot of discussion about that 2000 recount, how this is playing into the biden strategy. they are trying to stay on top of it, erin. >> let me ask you, jeff, look at where we are in wisconsin now because joe biden does have a lead there now, more than 20,000 votes as you said.

20,533 votes now ahead of donald trump. donald trump, as you pointed out, won the state by about the same margin in 2016 versus hillary clinton, so you're at about the same. you're pointing out here when they do a recount only a few hundred votes move, they only have a few hundred outstanding votes at this point. >> the biden campaign is confident of their margin. this happens often, in a tight race they can request a recount. that is well within the trump campaign's right to do so. the biden campaign might be doing so if the tables were turned. the reality in the history of wisconsin recounts, usually just a small number of votes at stake, 20,000 votes. let's see how this plays out. that's what the process is for. the votes have not been certified. this is something we're keeping

our eye on here, how many places the trump campaign will make this play, certainly wisconsin will be the first one. >> jeff zeleny, thank you. anderson, it does come at a state like wisconsin. secretary of state saying, okay, we triple checked, the ballots all laid out the triple checks they do. of course, the trump campaign wants to pursue a recount. >> also how transparent the process is as they were pointing out in wisconsin as in many states. erin, thank you so much. john king, what's your take on the campaign calling for a recount. >> let's look at the numbers. let's remember at this highly partisan time, jeff zeleny is exactly right and the election lawyer earlier was really good, the margin of 20,300 votes reversed being reversed unlikely. usually the machine says something, someone writing down, a number trans posed. it's usually a small number.

listen, for all the partisanship today, the rules allow it. what we heard last night from the president was outside the norm, reality, fact. no cheating going on. people can watch that. that's one thing. don't listen to that. does the trump cam paper have a right? yes, they do. we should respect that. we should respect the entire process. 49.4-48.8, 20,000 votes. back in time, 22,000 point lead for trump four years ago. you can have a recount, not much changes, so let's watch it play out. she said most votes are in. they double-check math, go through the process. trump campaign saying it's going to request a recount. that's what they are saying. let's see if they do it. that process takes time. the state has to certify results. there's wisconsin. we can walk through. michigan 48,176 votes, same

idea. a biden lead. trump campaign does not like trajectory. still counting votes. we'll see. haven't heard any recount words when it comes to michigan. one of the places i want to highlight, ask what you will and wander around the map a little bit. georgia is getting closer. you see 85,000, ( we know they are counting votes in the state of georgia, 50.3 to 48.5. that's an 8,000 vote. here is where we're missing votes. secretary of state says 70,000 or so in atlanta. you see how lopsided the lead is. if you've got 70,000 or votes you have to count you count them. down to dekalb, 50,000 to be counted here. this is ongoing as we speak. look at joe biden's lead, 83-16 if you round up the president. you look at the headline map, you think that's a pretty steep hill to climb. if you zero in on the counties

they are coming from, one up here, forsythe county, 7,000 votes here, this is a place the president might pick up a little bit as georgia continues to count. he's at 67.1 to joe biden's 30. this is a process. wisconsin, michigan, georgia, sores in play, let's let it play out. >> said 200,000 votes in georgia still to be counted. >> 200,000 and most of them are here. he said about 70,000 again. that was a few minutes ago they were counting. the numbers could change in that period of time. we watched them come in. fulton county, the bulk here in the largest county, 72,000 or so there. move over to dekalb, suburbs to the east of atlanta, look at the margins, predominantly democratic area. if you do most of the votes in here, joe biden will pick up a lot of 120,000 or so if you add up two counties. the question is is it enough to overcome the president's lead at

85. have you to win most of the votes. county forsythe, small county, 7,000 votes. secretary of state said if the president keeps -- if the percentages stay like that, we don't know if they will, stay anything close to that the president will add math, too. have to do math through the day. some will come in from red counties, blue counties, you add it up and that's how you settle the election. >> a lot of votes to be counted in georgia. margins in other key states have also changed. let's look at pennsylvania. you see 466,625, again, looks like a healthy lead. that's been over 600,000. as votes are counted, the president's lead has narrowed some. is he in the danger zone? we're at 80%, let's go west to east, normally i go east to west. let's give pittsburgh some love. again, this is why you do math. you look at the headline lead and think that's a big hill, still 25% in allegheny county.

you see the president is competitive out here, 54, round up 55-44. ten-point lead for joe biden. the overwhelming bulk of the vote comes here southeastern pennsylvania, philadelphia, suburban collar around it. that's where democrats need to run up the math. joe biden and philadelphia county is getting 78% of the vote while in central philadelphia, guess what, joe biden is getting 77% or higher of the vote. anderson here in the suburbs around it, montgomery county, joe biden leading. chester county, not as big a lead but still a lead here. come back delaware county, 59-40. joe biden is leading not om in the city but suburban collar around it. that's where the bulk of the vote come for democrats. they are still counting some. it is possible. the biden campaign thinks it's more than possible. we're in the going to take sides here. we're going to count votes.

is it possible 20 overcome this? yes. joe biden has to wip close to 70%, win the bulk of the votes, if they are from democratic areas, mostly democratic areas that will help. others are counting votes, lucerne county, this was a big part of the president's win four years ago. we know they have votes to count here. again, if you're on team trump, okay, we have votes to count here, our guy 60% of the vote here. maybe he'll continue to get votes counted or maybe mail-in that are democratic. what we do know a transparent process in every one of these counties. reporters can go there, citizens can go there. both campaigns are there watching this play out. it's not fraud, it's math. >> just for people joining us, big picture, let's look at the path to 270. for both campaigns, that is what at pennsylvania. joe biden has a path -- a clear path to 270 without the state of pennsylvania or commonwealth of pennsylvania. >> again, this is why today's

count in the states still open, you see the gray on the board here, those are states we have not decided yet or projected yet is the word i should use. we have joe biden at 227, donald trump at 213. everybody knows the math by now, it takes 270 to win the white house. let's look at what is still on the board, the gray. we expect the president to carry alaska, waiting for votes to be counted there. come east again. i just showed you, joe biden has a possibility of a comeback in georgia. donald trump is leading now. for the sake of this exercise let's say the president holds georgia. donald trump leading in north carolina, not to the finish line there, counting votes, again, the president has a lead there. let's assume the president carries that. now we're getting into interesting territory here. let's assume -- i don't think we've done maine 2nd congressional district, trump campaign is confident about this. let's be kind and give them maine's 2nd congressional district. the president, gets him to 248. this is why -- i'll repeat this over and over ore that's what today's count is so important.

if that wisconsin lead holds and if that michigan lead holds, if biden's lead in arizona holds and arizona finish line. 270 electoral votes. joe biden will be the next president of the united states if the results hold up, even if either pennsylvania goes on for several days or the president's lead holds in pennsylvania. biden campaign thinks they can come back and get 20 in pennsylvania. it is not absolute. if the lead in arizona and nevada holds up, lead in wisconsin and michigan holds up, he doesn't need pennsylvania, which is why the counts today are absolutely critical. >> let's take a look at nevada and arizona just kind of let's drill down on the numbers a little. >> you bet, slide over to the other wall. nice to have two. when you have a close election, nice to have two to get through the data. arizona and nevada. let's start in arizona. let me pop this out for you here. again, it's close. the trump campaign, the intellectual disconnect, the trump campaign says please stopping counting in pennsylvania, michigan,

wisconsin. that was their argument overnight. their argument is please keep counting in pennsylvania and arizona. at home you can figure that out. you don't need me. look at the results in arizona. 93,000. talking about bigger states back in the midwest where joe biden looking at 20,000 lead, 93,109. >> that's a gain for president trump in arizona from a couple hours ago when biden's lead was 100,000. >> right. they are counting votes. that's the way it should be. trump campaign says count them. guess what, i agree. we should count them all. watch this play out sometimes rural counties comes in late, yuma, president winning 53-45. as they keep counting out here, doesn't have a population like phoenix and suburbs do but they are votes and it counts. possible the president picks some up. move up the coast, western part of arizona, 92% here. very small county la paz, might pick up votes.

every vote should be counted. the issue you come here maricopa, more than 60% of the vote in the state of arizona will come from maricopa. that's phoenix and fast-growing suburbs around it, defining challenge. joe biden tried to sweep suburbs, 52% to 46%. you look there's 86%. still a big chunk of votes to be counted in a place where most of the votes are, largest in the state. if you're a biden campaign, right, shrunk a little bit. tense the next couple days or hours are tense. you're pretty confidence when you see more votes counted here in maricopa. i want to check in tucson, pima county, 89%. again, still counting, joe biden at 60, donald trump at 39 if you round that up. no guarantee the ballots yet to be counted match those percentages. if you're the biden campaign and look statewide, you know what's out, you know the size of that lead, you know most of the votes are in the blue areas you're confident. again, we have to get to the finish line.

you mentioned nevada. let's check nevada quick. nevada, you look at the state, see all that red. you think the president must be winning in nevada. that's not how it works, you have to go to population centers. 72, 73, maybe 74% of the vote in clark county, that's vegas and suburbs, joe biden 53, donald trump 45. 84%, still about 16% of the vote, 15, 16% still to be counted here where the most votes are. if the trend continues joe biden keeps the lead. it's simple math. if he's winning more than half of what's left donald trump can't catch up. does that happen? that's why we count votes. check up here, this county is more competitive, 54-47, still 10% to count. it's possible the president picks up in those votes. if you're looking at the trend so far, you're the biden campaign you think as they count them here and count them here we're getting more than our

share because we're winning so far. for the president, check, 89%. look at the difference, 2100 votes. in a smaller county like this the president will gain as they finish the count. 2100 votes, come down here, 422,000 votes. when you look at the map of nevada you have to remember most of the votes are down here in the southeast corner around vegas. biden campaign is confident. trump campaign says keep counting. again, good for them, we should keep counting. >> yeah, keep counting. how many times have you said that today? probably a lot. >> i have no idea but somebody is keeping count somewhere and making fun of me for it and that's okay. >> you shouldn't be made fun of. that's what it's about counting the votes. numbers continue to move in the presidential race. we'll bring them to you as they change. an update on a key senate race. we'll be right back. still your best friend. and now your co-pilot. still a father. but now a friend. still an electric car.

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okay. we have been focused for obvious reasons on the top of the ticket but we have an update for you now on the balance of power in the senate, specifically on a michigan senator hanging on by

an electoral thread. i want to go to brianna keilar. what is the latest in this race? it has been neck and neck and now a very small, it appears, change. >> a change that democrats are certainly celebrating, erin, because gary peters, the democratic incumbent senator in michigan had been watching the results. he was trailing john james, his republican challenger. but now with 92% of the vote in this is a tie, 49.1% to 49.1% but gary peters has eked out a vote lead of 30,000 votes. the question will be, will this trend in the same direction as votes come in. will he be able to eke out this lead. he's seen as someone expected to win with a tough challenge. what we're seeing, erin, in this cycle where the goal for democrats has been to flip the senate, it's very clear their

pathway to doing that is starting to shrink. michigan is a good example as you see how much tighter the race is than expected. if you look at the balance of power, this is what democrats need, 51 votes to control the senate. right now republicans have 47, democrats have 46. they have picked one up. seven seats remain unprojected at this point in time. but you can see how the math is closing in on democrats in order for them to flip the senate. their possibilities ofing to that are really shrinking here. >> it's pretty incredible. you point out that wasn't how things were expected to be in terms of being this tight in michigan. in general this was such a friendly map for democrats, only defending 12 seats, republicans defending 35. democrats came in with so much plus ter coming in to take over the senate. what about other crucial races we've been watching in maine, susan collins, arizona, georgia? >> yeah.

so maine is incredibly interesting right now because susan collins is in the lead. but when you look at how she's doing, she has to hit 50% because maine has a special process they do. it's somewhat knew called ranked choice. what that means if she does not hit 50%, voters have been able to put in place their second choice. that means in the case of maine you don't see, there's a third party candidate who is getting some votes and actually campaigned telling people they should put sarah gideon as their second choice. susan collins, if she does not hit the threshold, 40,000 votes ahead, if she doesn't hit that percentage threshold, it's possible there are voters who picked sara gideon as their s.e.c. choice, that will be for her. arizona that is a bright spot for democrats. mark kelly, the former navy captain, astronaut. you can see right here he is

really outperforming martha mcsally, republican incumbent for the senate seat that was once john mccain's. mark kelly is actually outperforming joe biden in arizona. a bit of a reverse coattails there as he might be pulling joe biden along in the vote as well, but it's look very good for democrats in arizona. >> pretty good, the reverse coat tail. senate all in not turning out the way many democrats thought in terms of the lack of a blue wave there. what about in the house. >> the story of the house similar to the senate, a bit of a status quo. we have seen some pick ups if you look at numbers there by each side. you see democrats picked up two seats, republicans picked up two seats. there has been switching. at this point in time it's canceling each other out. democrats with 181 seats, republicans 171 seats, still 83 seats that remain unprojected right now by cnn.

democrats went into this expecting they would maintain power. not only they would maintain control of the house of representatives but that they would be able to pick up more seats. right now as of this moment in time, of course we're continuing to watch, continuing to have patience, a major shift in the numbers just doesn't appear to be happening at this point in time. >> brianna, stay with us. this is part of the big story here. abby phillip, democrats have expected this blue wave. they talked about it in the polls, in the senate. they didn't have to defend many seats. they had a lot of seats up that were competitive. they expected to take the senate and that is not what we are seeing at all. unchang unchanged. >> no, not at all. this is going to be one of the bigger stories out of the cycle. putting aside what happens at the presidential level republicans were the underdogs in this cycle. this is an extremely unfavorable

environment to be running as an incumbent republican in either the senate or the house. you have a president who is very unpopular. you have an economic downturn that has affected millions of americans. in that environment you see so many republican senators hanging on. so many republican congress people hanging on and some democrats even in seats undecided who are -- these seats are too close for comfort for many democrats. these are democrats that inguinal democrats expected to survive and may not survive this cycle. a lot of soul searching, i think, for democrats about what happened here. in some cases it seems republicans are either performing as well as donald trump or outperforming him in some places. they are not able to have some of the negativity they tried to put on donald trump stick to some of the other republicans who are also running. >> which is so fascinating.

brianna, let's just take south carolina. south carolina. the amount of money that went into south carolina to take down lindsey graham, jamie harrison race, $57 million, the largest single quarter total by any candidate in u.s. senate history. i mean, it was incredible the money that was going in there. it did not pay off. terrible investment in terms of your return on that, lindsey graham. what does that tell you? >> we're seeing that over and over. you can see that in maine, which we just discussed. we're seeing that in south carolina. we're seeing the money didn't always make the difference. i think the real question is what does this mean depending who is the next president, what does this mean for americans? we have seen a deadlocked congress at a time when americans are in extreme need. we're in the middle of a pandemic. they have been unable to come to agreement on stimulus, who is expected to buoy americans

hurting. what does that mean? if joe biden becomes president, divided congress. if donald trump remains president, he's also facing a divided congress. what it means, in order to get anything done, they are going to have to compromise. we've seen no appetite for that. this is a big challenge ahead in this divided country. >> i would argue this result just the way it shows how divided the country is is going to make it even harder for there to be compromise. republicans looking at what they are seeing tonight really are not going to see any incentive to stray further from the party ideology that has been set out by donald trump because they are surviving because of president trump today. >> thank you both very much. of course, if joe biden manages to hold onto his lead, that is exactly what he campaigned on, dealing with compromise and working across the aisle. that will be fully tested, anderson, if that is what transpires. >> thanks very much.

i'm joined by someone who hasn't got much sleep lately, michigan's secretary of state. thanks so much for being with us. you addressed the public earlier today. where does the ballot counting in michigan stand now? a short time ago you said there were tens of thousands of ballots still to be counted. >> that's exactly right, and. we've got a lot of absentee ballots, ballots submitted on time, by 8:00 p.m. on tuesday and still being counted. those are particularly concentrated in parts of detroit as well as flint, which we believe will see some results out of flint quite soon and kalamazoo and grand rapids as well. i think grand rapids will probably come in a little bit later. they are still working through a lot of tabulation there. we have eyes on the ground all through the state and working to diligently count every vote. >> you said grand rapids, grand rapids is in kent county. are the votes you're expecting from there from grand rapids itself or the larger county.

>> from the city. the absentee counting board for grand rapids city that's still working, what we saw there, they have been working through the night and now starting to replenish staff and making sure people aren't overly tired because that can lead to human error. truly this story here is we're being very meticulous. we understand what's at stake and all the counts happening. that's why we're going above and beyond to dot every i, cross every t. even when a tabulation is done, we go back and make sure everything is set. we realize and already starting to see the potential challenges or things that could come next. we want to make sure we're doing everything by the books so people can trust integrity of the results. >> just to be clear, when you say detroit do you mean wayne county as a whole or detroit. >> city of detroit. the city of detroit has its own absentee counting board. >> john king is standing by. i know he has questions for you.

>> madam secretary, good to see you and appreciate are hard work. >> you, too. >> i want to ask, wayne county and city of detroit. i want to go through the math for our viewers. we looked at numbers, look where he's down, joe biden needs in the ballpark, 45 to overcome, if the president can get 52% of what's left that's what he needs to come back. you just mentioned detroit. you mentioned not kent county grand rapids city itself. that's a democratic area. you mentioned flint, which is up here. we move up here in genesee county. i'm using my map and history to show the vote in democratic areas. we already know the trump campaign will ask for a recount in wisconsin. because of political pressure, i know you want to be methodical and go through carefully will you have these votes by the end of the day and have you heard from the trump campaign directly. >> no, to my knowledge we have not heard from either campaign for any candidate on the ballot,

including at the highest level. in addition to that, i also want to emphasize we also still have smaller jurisdictions outstanding that have, you know, here and there some absentee ballots to till work through. the jurisdictions i mentioned, city of detroit, flint, grand rapids, city of kalamazoo, those are our largest jurisdictions till outstanding but we have smaller jurisdictions as well. we expect tabulations, vote counting in all those jurisdictions, we will have a significant if not full update by the end of today. that's our hope. a lot of things can still happen because, again, we're being methodical. if we have to go into tomorrow we will. our hope is, and we've said this consistently through this morning that we can get through the vast majority of counts and jurisdictions by the end of today. >> if i can speak quickly, go through history. joe biden shy of 4 5,000, we go back to 2016 the president won the state by 10,704.

in your experience and based on history how likely is it if you have a balance, that one four years ago was 10,000, we have something in the ballpark of 45,000 votes, how likely is it, in your history, that if there's a recount that result will change? >> well, we still -- let's wait and see as we get to that. i hear what you're saying and i want to be able to give you as much data as we have and can but i also know the data can change. the process -- the first count, first tabulation is still happening right now. i actually want to step back, like we're asking everyone to do, and let that count happen. and then once we're through that process we can kind of go back and, you know, evaluate what comes next. we know what definitely will come next is the official canvassing on which the county and state board of canvassers will check again every process. a recount may or may not come for various races at that point.

we'll be ready for anything. but right now in this moment, we're just focusing on tabulating every outstanding absentee ballot that was in by 8:00 yesterday to make sure that first tabulation, that first unofficial result is as accurate as possible. >> madam secretary, you heard the president overnight basically declaring victory, claiming fraud was being committed and making false statements on twitter, essentially saying that votes for joe biden were magically appearing overnight or things were being dumped. just to be clear on what you are counting right now, these are all votes that have taken place in the correct time frame that they had to take place. you are simply just counting the votes that exist. is that correct? >> correct. an meticulously making sure every ballot is valid. everyone got it on time, everyone signed by a registered voter. we've got lots of checks in

place to make sure we're only counting valid votes, counting one vote per voter, all the different things we need to do to protect the integrity of the process are playing out. that's why it's taking time. that's a good thing, the process working. we've known, and we've all been talking about this for weeks, we've known at this point, the misinformation we've seen percolate throughout the cycle was going to potentially escalate if we found ourselves in a moment like this. we have to recognize all of that. i know we are. occurring and playing out as many predicted. here in michigan, my role in clerks across the state, we're going to keep counting, keep doing our jobs, reporting out the totals, following the data and lots of other folks kind of with the knowledge of history look into the data and make other types of predictions of what's going to come next. i'm just staying very focused on the present, counting every vote and making sure every vote count. >> we appreciate all your hard work. thanks very much.

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and we have a key race alert. let's look at vote totals in pennsylvania and georgia. in pennsylvania president trump ahead with 463,710 votes. that is a slight drop of just about 10,000 votes, so a gain for joe biden as more votes have been counted of about 10,000 votes, but president trump still ahead by 463,710. and in the state of georgia president trump ahead by 82,987 votes. that is 5,000 votes less than he was just a short time ago. again, more votes are coming in and more still in 93% of the vote estimated in georgia has been counted. in pennsylvania 80% as well. let's go to john king standing by. let's take a look at georgia. >> anderson, you see the president's lead shrinking a little bit, right, because they

are counting the votes. the question is are there enough votes out there for joe biden to overcome this. we do know that the bulk of the votes still vb counted, some absentee ballots in fulton county here to be counted, dekalb county you move over here. what is unique about these counties. number one, joe biden 83% of the votes here, a lot of votes, president getting 72% there. you know in those two counties joe biden has been doing very well and the votes come in. you have to wait to count them. as we pull out to, this one of the metrics we're trying to do as we watch this, this is an estimate, you look at georgia and see where the president's lead is, joe biden is getting 48.5 or 49% if you want to roll it up, somewhere in the ballpark of 69% to catch up. can he do that? you look at that number and say probably not. that's not what he's getting so

far. but then you go back into the votes, we know the bulk of them -- not all -- bulk in strongholds, like dekalb county where the former vice president is doing very well. that's why we leave open the possibility. joe biden has to win a very high percentage of the votes still out but the bulk of them are in strong democratic places so we'll wait the day out. >> what was the margin president trump won georgia in 2016. >> five points there as you round up that 51-46. again, this is why the clinton campaign got close, biden changing dem grachx, suburban vote, getting it closer. also, let's remember 2 million votes and change four years ago, 2.3 million votes now. another place, refreshing part, tense hours, days ahead, turnout up in many places, 53.3 to 58.5. it's a little tighter. we're not done. we need to count votes.

>> let's move up to pennsylvania. >> bigger state, 20 electoral vote. this one a must win for the. >> translator:. it was 600,000 last night when i left here so it is coming down some. have you to look where the votes are out. come down here, montgomery 88%, suburbs, straight to delaware county, more of the suburbs around philadelphia, 74%. coming to the largest county of all, philadelphia itself, we have it right here, about 60% of the vote counted there. we know a lot is in inner city philadelphia. again you pull it out and look at the size of the lead and think is that insurmountable. i'm checking the notes to see if it's right. by our math, our estimate, former vice president would have to get two-thirds of the ballot. you look, he's getting 45% right now. can he gets 65, 66%? you look at the number you think probably not. same thing in georgia. where are these votes, number one. we know a lot of them, not all but a lot in democratic places

like allegheny county. we know that number one. we know from our data that people who mailed it in, disproportionately democrats. disproportionate enough to get back in the hunt? that's what we found out in pennsylvania and elsewhere. >> big picture on the path to 270, where are we. >> i just want to show you, look at this map right now. you look you see it filled in red and blue. i want to make an important point. we have not called these states. you see the ones that went gray. when i show you this map we're showing you who he is leading. we have not called a lot of these states because they are close. this is where we have it right now. 227 called for joe biden projected by us, 213 for president trump. again, to emphasize this point about how important the count is today, let's go through this. i'll do it from the president's perspective first. lead is shrinking a little bit. sorry about that. lead is shrinking a little bit but the president is leading in georgia.

president is leading in north carolina. when we count the votes in salmonella we're fairly certain that goes that way. you get that point up there. look at maine second congressional district. that's my mistake. let me come back in here. joe biden is going to get these. president may get one of those. there gets the president up to 248. let's flip the table. this is why biden leads today, do they hold up, critical. biden leading in arizona, biden leading in nevada, that gets him to 244. he's leading in wisconsin, 254. there's michigan, your finish line, 270 even without the commonwealth of pennsylvania. so the president not only needs to hold that, he needs to flip something else. he needs to flip something where he is right now trailing or else donald trump is a one-time president. but, but this is where we are now. it's not done. >> not by a long shot. erin. >> pennsylvania crucial. wraps up in michigan. all eyes starting to turn to

pennsylvania, including those eyes that come to election attorneys. the battle over keystone state ballots. it could get rough. so much we don't know you heard i don't know king lay out. secretary of commonwealth, good to have you back with me, madam secretary. let's just start with where we are earlier today when you were speaking you said there are millions of ballots left to count in pennsylvania. tell us where you are right now. >> so there's still over a million votes left to count. you can go to pa.com and track it yourself. lots of data broken down by county, party, not only what has been counted and what remains broken down by county. counties are furiously at work today counting every vote, making sure every eligible voter does not have the opportunity to express their vote and get their vote counted. >> you're saying still over a million left to count but obviously that number has moved

significantly over the past few hours as we've been talking today. when do you expect we're going to know a winner, secretary? >> so you know, as you know, the closer the race, the longer it takes for a in we are. as we've been saying, overwhelming majority of ballots will be counted by friday. actually at this point it's looking like significantly sooner than that. >> significantly sooner so possibly tomorrow or even earlier? >> check back with me later on today. >> all right. let me bring in john king. >> the website is tracking it. >> moment by moment. there's a little bit of a delay here. john king, let me bring you in because i know you have specific questions to ask of the secretary as well. >> number one, completely respect that this process takes time, madam secretary and grateful for your time because we know you're busy double-checking. i don't mean offense to

commonwealth but some outstanding counties matter more than others because of the outstanding votes. you say by the end of the day. what about philadelphia, maybe so you're the trump campaign, you say we have a big lead, we wish pennsylvania would stop counting, that's not the way it works, but if ire the biden campaign, you very much want to know what is left. and when you pull it out and look statewide, that's a big jump joe biden would have to make to catch up. we look at it and see he has to win about two thirds. we'll be able to answer that question when we see philadelphia and the suburbs around it. is there a priority on getting the bigger pool of votes, the bigger counties, including philadelphia, done quicker? >> so, as you know, pennsylvania is a commonwealth. each county is running these elections and running them incredibly well. philadelphia, like every other county in the state, has staffed

up, has best practices in place and are working furiously to get the votes done. obviously a county that has hundreds of thousands of ballots is going to have more staffing equipment than a county with a couple thousand ballots. i want every single qualify voter's voice to be heard and ballots to be countsed, i don't care where they live in the commonwealth. so, let me ask you, secretary, the trump campaign says they're requesting a recount in wisconsin. obviously you're doing your first count, you have over a million ballots left to go. are you preparing for a recount? do you think it's inevitable for you as well? >> i don't think it's inevitable. we are definitely tracking it. in pennsylvania there's an automatic recount if the race is within 0.5% difference between the winner and the person in second. so in 2016, i believe the final

results were 0.7%, so there was no automatic recount. today remains to be seen. i think we'll know more by the end of the day where we see where we are. >> you don't think it's inevitable, the numbers are coming in, there's so much we don't -- i want you to respond to one other thing, secretary boockvar. trump i guess referring to they, as they're trying to take those votes away. what is your response to that? >> my response is we've been saying all along, and you all know this, and thank you for all your repeating of this, which i think the voters all know, that elections are never called on election day. they've never been. every vote, every qualified voters gets to have their voice heard. as you know, military voters and overseas voters have a full week

after election day to cast their ballot. i know i will never, ever want to disenfranchise the men and women who bravely serve our country, nor any other eligible voter across the commonwealth. we are counting every vote. the counties are doing incredibly diligently and accurately, and as quickly as they can. >> madam secretary, i appreciate your time. thank you for sharing some of it with us, with everything that you have going on today. thank you. anderson? another potential development in the fight for the senate. brianna keilar is back with that. >> we're keeping our eye on maine at this point in time where sara gideon, the how speaker there in maine, has called susan collins to congratulate heroining this election. we are still waiting to project this at this point in time. you can see the breakdown. 4.8% for susan collins, 43.4%

for sara gideon. maine has a rinked choice process that they go through, this is why we're waiting for the results. at this point susan collins is more than 40,000 votes ahead, and the challenger has called her to congratulate her. of course, anderson, this was a seat that democrats had hoped to pick up, which is showing you how difficult this has been compared to what they thought it would be. look here at the balance of power in the senate. they needed 51 seats to flip the senate. here they have 47 -- republicans have 47, democrats have 46. they each have a pickup, so far cabsling each other out, but at this point in time seven seats are remaining unprojected. >> brianna, thank you. the ballot counting continues, and the numbers are

slowly changing. the latest on the road to 270, with john king, is next.

a. welcome to our viewers here in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. this is election day in america continued. we're inching closer and closer to learning who will be the next president of the united states, howev hour by hour, ballot by built. right now eight states remain undecided. the outcome hinging on the crucial battle grounds of arizona, nevada, michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania and georgia. former vice president joe biden holding an advantage right now with 227 of the 270 electoral votes needed to win, compared to the 213 for president trump. right now we have a major

projecti projection. cnn projects that joe biden is the winner in wisconsin. he will win ten electoral votes in this key battleground state. joy j joe biden is the winner in wisconsin. with that win, he's gone up to 237 electoral votes, 207 needed to win. trump remains at 213. a major, major win for joe biden in the state of wisconsin. let's go over to john king. 237/213, he's inching closer and closer to the 270. >> that's a big ten. you think just ten, but it's a takeaway from the 2016 trump map. and it's a trendline as we get through the critical day. now that you shade wisconsin blue, we're still waiting on michigan and pennsylvania.

president trump is leading, but the lead is shrinking in georgia. let me do it in reverse. it is quite possible that the president gets maine's second congressional districts. we know when alaska is done counting votes, we assume that president trump will get this. i know democrats will be upset, but let's say the president is leading in north carolina, again we're not done. if you give the president those, now we cup here. you take wisconsin, you're leading in arizona, leading in nevada, that gets joe biden to 254, which means michigan, where he's leading right now. if he holds the lead in michigan, in arizona and in nevada joe biden gets to 270 without the hotly contested

here. even without it joe biden could win the presidency with wisconsin, now that we have projected that, leads in michigan, leads in arizona, leads in nevada, that gets you to 270. that's the finish line. >> let's see what we're seeing right now. the president's campaign has already requested a recount in wisconsin, but show us the vote now and the vote four years ago. >> they have, and it's significant that the former republican governor, scott walker, who does not mind a good partisan fight just tweeted -- given this margin, he think it is it is highly unlikely you would reverse it. when you have 20,000, they say they're just about done counting in wisconsin -- >> four years ago the numbers were similar, but hillary clinton did not request a recount. >> she did not. here's the look four years ago. trump won by 22,740. fast forward to where we are now, a slightly smaller lead for

joe biden. so where they come from -- when they kept counting the president wins, but this is what we are waiting for, they're now up to 99%. joe biden got a big chunk our milwaukee. four years ago democrats were disappointed at the turnout in milwaukee. look at that turnout there. you come forward, 317,000, in a higher turnout election, joe biden with a 20,000-point lead. the campaign has every right to do the recount. and the question is, will they? they say they're going to. that's a different process to legally do it. again, governor scott walker are saying that's pretty steep. it's within the rules. one of the things we'll go through it all this contention.

>> wisconsin, though is a very significant move for the former vice president now. if you look at some of the states out west, we're talking about nevada specifically right now, arizona, that potentially could bring them over the top. >> the key is takeaways. . you were hoping to take away texas, not happening. take away florida, not happening. we have the difference. you see the gray states. they're not called yet. if you see it gray on the map, we have not projected the winner, what you see when i take it over is who is leading right now. biden's lead is 44,000, just shy of 45,000 votes. that's significant, especially because we know a lot of the outstanding vote is in democratic areas, like detroit. more importantly, a decent amount left here, flint, michigan, and move to the west.

you see the red in kent county, that's grand rapids, but the outstanding vote is right in the city. we do expect that biden may expand from 44,000. we've now projected wisconsin. michigan is moving in biden's direction, so then you move west. number one, biden's goal, protect the clinton states. he has done it so far. nevada, that's a pretty narrow lead. trump says stop counting, they won it overnight, they want to keep counting here. they have every right to keep counting. nevada 84%, more votes to county. he vegas and the big suburbs, crowded suburbs. again, we don't know until we count, but common sense tells us, it makes it hard for the president to come back. where reno is, the nor rural

areas to the north, joe biden getting his share, again more swing, but about 10% still to be counted. if you look at this map, the trendline has been the biden campaign optimistic, and then you move here, this would be the takeaway. arizona has not voted democrat for president since bill clinton. so what's ham here? again 93,000 votes. that's a decent chunk of votes. the issue is maricopa county, again, this is more than 60% of your statewide voters out of here, phoenix and the growing suburbs, warm-up fastest-growing parts of the country. you move south to pima county where tucson is, vice president -- about 10% more to

be counted. yes, the president could pick up votes, but we want to do the math, get to the finish line. if you're in the biden campaign headquarters, you think, okay, we're on a path to hold nevada, we can flip arizona, and then it all comes down to michigan, even without pennsylania. if you're the trump campaign, you're calling out, asking your people, what are we missing? but the numbers simply don't look good. >> a significant win in wisconsin for biden right now. let's go to jake, dana and ab abby. >> obviously what's going on is what we want last night, people are counting the votes. the biden team said, as happened in virginia, you have to wait for the urban centers and suburban centers to have their votes counted. virginia looked like trump was going to win, but richmond and fairfax counted, biden won. wisconsin awarding the projection to biden is a big

deal. it is a big deal. as john said, anything could happen, but at the does not look good for trump right now, because right now the vote are still coming in, but it does look good for biden. >> and wisconsin in particular is a giant brick that joe biden is putting back in that blue wall that donald trump completely busted four years ago. we know how worried the trump campaign is about wisconsin, just based on what they're already doing, what their position is, how they're poised to say they want a recount already. we should know and i think john mentioned this earlier, the only way a recount can formally be asked for is when the canvassing is complete, meaning the vote counting is complete. that's november 17th. they're signaling they're going to do it. it doesn't necessarily it's going to happen based on what else happening across they battleground states.

>> it's completely within the trump campaign's right to request a recount. >> absolutely. >> if they want to do that, they can. nobody should think there's anything untoward. campaigns can ask for recounts. >> especially when it's tight. four years ago wisconsin, like michigan, were so close. a little more than 10,000 votes is all donald trump won by. they understand how close these races are. we'll see against once the votes are counted, it may not be that different this time. >> that's such a great point, but we should remember four years ago it was this close, almost exactly 20,000 votes in wisconsin, about 10,000 in michigan. hillary clinton conceded to donald trump on the night of the election. >> right. >> and yes, wisconsin did go to a recount, because the jill stein campaign requested it, but only a few hundred votes, maybe not even a few hundred votes changed in that process. they have every right to have a recount in wisconsin, but it

just shows that this is not a great situation for the campaign to be in. right now the margin is the tightest margin in that upper midwest region. the margin in michigan is wider, about 40,000 votes. in pennsylvania, president trump is in the lead, but there are over a million votes still outstanding that could heavily favor joe biden. it's a tough situation they're in, about you it also explains why they're emphasizing arizona so much. if arizona doesn't go their way, it makes the map almost impossible. >> the important thing in looking back four years ago, one of the reasons hillary clinton conceded it wasn't just 10,000 votes in michigan and wisconsin. it was 44,000 votes she ended up losing by in pennsylvania, and she wasn't in the hunt in arizona or georgia or other places. >> let's talk about the road to

270. right now joe biden has 237 electoral votes that cnn has projected, president trump has 213. how can joe biden get to 270 to become the president? walk us through it and then we'll do trump after that. >> this will clarify a lot of things for people. we can literally quantify what that means. this map that you're sight right now is the current map, according to the projections that cnn has made in this case. as you can see, a lot of these states are still just undetermined. 237 for joe biden, 213 for dark, dark red is donald trump -- blue is joe biden. joe biden is leading in the state of arizona by about 93,000 votes. he's also leading in the state of michigan by about 44,000 votes. if i give those two states to joe biden, if that holds, take a

look at the path for 1rik9 torrie, all he needs to do is just win one of those four you see. he can win pennsylvania, he can win the state of georgia, north carolina, nevada and so on, but let me show you donald trump's paths to victory here. he has one, one path. >> one path. >> one single path to victory. if the state of arizona and the state of michigan remain in joe biden's hands, that one path to victory is this. all of those states that you see colored in in yellow are states donald trump must win to get to 270. >> what if the president somehow pulls it out in arizona and pulls it out in michigan. then what? >> this is why, as you'll see, this is all so important. if you give donald trump the state of arizona -- >> even though he's trailing now

by almost 100,000. >> just for the sake of the exercise. >> just for giggles. >> let's just give it to him. now he's got two paths. not a lot easier. he still has to win pennsylvania, he still has to win georgia, which is a tight race, but he's leading there. arizona really preserves the paths to victory for president trump at a really critical time. that's why you see the trump campaign fighting so hard to keep that undetermined at the very least right now. let's give states according to where they are right now. let's give arizona to joe biden. let's give michigan -- >> nevada. >> he's leading -- >> these are the three states he's leading in. if he wins arizona, if he wins

nevada, where he's leading by a very narrow margin, and michigan, he doesn't -- >> first of all, what about omaha? he won the first -- the second congressional district in nebraska. >> and we called that read race for him. >> if joe biden just wins the states he's leading in right now -- michigan, arizona, nevada -- that's it? >> that's it. >> let's give trump georgia and north carolina, because i think it's likely he'll get georgia and north carolina let's give biden nevada and arizona and michig michigan, and pennsylvania is is it ila question mark. even with the lawsuits, because we know the trump family is having a press conference in philadelphia, and i'm sure

they're going to besmirch philadelphia and the commonwealth in the process, even if they win it, or even if we don't know who won pennsylvania for the next year, president biden is the reality. >> the biden campaign has been saying for a long time, the way they see the map at this moment, even if pennsylvania remains undecided, they do not think they must win it. they think -- they are saying that they have already -- they feel confident in the state of arizona, which bucks a linchpin of the strategy, to not even need the state of pennsylvania. >> humor me with one other path. >> the common wealwealth. >> just for giggles, as jake says, give nevada to trump and see what happens. >> the margin in nevada right now is very, very narrow, right? >> so what is the path there for

joe biden? >> take a look at this. now they each have, we have given for the sake of this argument that we're having here, we've given joe biden -- i'm sorry. we've given donald trump north carolina, the state of georgia, both of them still undetermined, but we have given joe biden nevada where he's leading -- arizona where he's leading and michigan. now their pathing are one each. through pennsylvania. >> okay. >> that's so fascinating. >> this is a very fluid map, but you see why both these campaigns are maneuvering the way they are, because these states really matter, where nevada and arizona end up will really matter at the end of the day. >> we should also note that the trump campaign is attempting to completely opposite arguments, depending on the state. the biden campaign is just saying count all the votes. the trump campaign is saying

county the votes here where we're behind, but don't count the votes in pennsylvania, and we might even call for a count in wisconsin, because they are all over the map trying to desperately cling to power. we have the top election official in wisconsin, megan wolfe. thank you so much for joining us. the trump campaign says they'll immediately ask for a recount. have you formally heard anything from the trump campaign, and are you going to conduct a recount? >> well, thank you so much for the question. i will spell out exactly how a recount would be conducted. we haven't seen the official filing, but the law does allow for an aggrieved candidate, if they're within 1% margin of one another, the aggrieved candidate

can file for a recount. they do have to do that by the third day after the counties in our state certify results and submit to the office for certification. we're in that certification process, so that timeline is fluid. >> that's just a term of art. it can be any candidate. it doesn't have to be any evidence of mall m-- malfeasanc. is that even necessary in order to ask for a recount? >> thank you for that as well. no, it just is a matter of whether or not the top two vote-getters are within 1% of the margin of victory from one another. they don't have to make any specific claims. we're not aware of any processes

that weren't fold yesterday. from my perspective as wisconsin's chief election official and nonpartisan official, voting went vet in wisconsin. despite the more absentees, the evening proceeded in a normal fashion, and i think that our election was conducted with precision and voters should feel really confident about the process that was followed, about the laws that were followed, to make sure that every valid ballot was counted. >> i wrote a book about the florida recount 20 years ago. i'm not aware of any recount, in which the candidate who was trailing by more than 20,000 votes, has been able to change the results of the election. usually it's only a few dozen, maybe a few hundred. has there ever been a recount in

wisconsin where the chasm, the margin of victory, has actually reversed itself? how likely do you think a recount could change the result of the race? >> we conducted a presidential recount in 2016. the state of wisconsin and our county election officials have experience with this process. every step of elections is carefully planned and executed. every document, be it the paper ballots that every ballot cast in wisconsin has, voters registrations, all of those things are maintained as part of the process and are available for public inspection. so i think that we'll find that our local election officials, as we've seen before, did a phenomenal job in running yesterday's election and make

sure that every valid ballot counted. >> so you're not going to answer the question how likely it is. i understand the position you're in. let me ask you, technically, how would it take place? there's a certain date they would have to ask for a recount. i assume it will be a machine recount, right? would that just be done within 24 hours? when would it start? when would it likely end? >> right. as we saw in 2016, there is a period of time established by law. we're working with our local election officials right now just to make sure we're prepared in the event a recount is filed in our state. that happens at the county level. so wisconsin is very unique in that we administer elections at the municipal level, but a recount is conducted at the county level. obvious those county election officials will bring in local

election official to help conduct that. they do have some flexibility in terms of how they do that verification, but there are specific things outlined in the law in terms of materials that they need to review, to make sure every -- that each ballot was requested lawfully, and that voter participation is accurate as well. those procedures are followed very carefully, but some things like whether or not they can do a hand count of the paper materials versus using their voti voting equipment that has been retested, they do have some discretion in how that process is executed. >> so each of the election officials gets to decide whether it's a hand recount or machine recount. how long do the 2016 recount take? >> you know, i don't have the exact timeline in front of me, but there certainly is a procedure in place to make sure we meet all the other statutory deadlines, including the process

to start the presidential electricor process as well. our deadline is december 1st. >> meagan wolfe, thank you so much. good luck to you. we appreciate the job you do. still ahead, when will more blank spaces on the electoral map fill in? we're standing by for more results. we're also waiting to hear from joe biden. he's planning to speak in delaware soon. stay with us. ce for members like martin. an air force veteran made of doing what's right, not what's easy. so when a hailstorm hit, usaa reached out before he could even inspect the damage. that's how you do it right. usaa insurance is made just the way martin's family needs it with hassle-free claims, he got paid before his neighbor even got started. because doing right by our members, that's what's right. usaa. what you're made of, we're made for. ♪ usaa

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cnn has projected that joe biden will win the key battleground state of wisconsin. that brings the former vice president closer to the 270

electoral votes he needs to win the presidency. joe biden currently has 237 electoral votes. president trump has 213 electoral votes. this is a live picture from wallsing done, where joe biden is preparing to speak to americans. jim, you're learning that the trump team is not only calling for a recount in wisconsin, which we have projected biden will win, but fighting in michigan as well? >> that's right, jake, the trump campaign has said they say they're planning to file a lawsuit in michigan. they're claiming they have not been given meaningful access to observe of opening of ballots. they're asking in this lawsuit that the ballot counting by halted until they're provided

with that kind of access. so, jake, you set that up perfectly. they're wanting to continue to count the battle and recount the ballots in wisconsin, while halting the ballots in michigan. the trump campaign says they're going to have a press conference at 3:30, of course, that has beening to taken with a grain of salt. i will tell you, jake, talking to trump advisers this morning, i spoke to one who said 3ru6r7 is the driving force behind in fight it out to the finish mentality that has taken hold inside the trump campaign. s in words of this adviser, the president feels like the election is being stolen from him. so we'll have to see how it develops. the same receipt req is here at 2:00. the president wants to fight this out to the end. it sounds as though he wants the

lawyers to hold up the blue wall he carried four years ago. >> there's no evidence of ma malfeasance. >> these are battleground states for a reasons. there were lawyers set up in advance for all of these swing states. the biden campaign will respond, they say within the hour, once there's a formal complaint filed, but this is after the certification, so we are talking quite some time. even republicans in wisconsin is heightened by the fact that the former governor says a recount is not likely to provide the needed counts. bob bauer said just a short time ago, this is a scrambled message. what he means by that is this -- the president earlier was saying

no more counting of ballots after the polls close. that's exactly what they are asking for now in wisconsin. so a mixed message from state to state to state. that is a sign that the trump campaign is in a state of weakness at this point. jake, we are expecting to hear from the former vice president joe biden here at the chase center at some point this afternoon. we believe he will essential amplify what he campaign manager says earlier, that they are on track to winning this, but they do want every count to be counted we don't expect him to declare victory, but say he's on track to winning. >> this is the democratic process, wolf, the votes are being counted. you have an alert. >> let's go to a key race alert. michigan, first, 16 electoral votes in michigan. biden is ahead by some 37,000 votes, 94% of the estimated vote is in, biden has 49.5%, trump

has 48.8% in michigan. arizona right now 86% of the estimated vote is in, biden ahead by more than 93,000 votes, 51% to 47.6%, 11 electoral votes in arizona. in nevada biden has a narrow lead, some 7600 votes over trump. nevada has six electoral votes. john, let's look at the three battleground states. they're clearly up in the air, but they're so, so important are important. if biden wins the state his 'leading in, he will be president of the united states. we are not there yet. the gray states now, you see arizona, nevada, alaska, michigan, pennsylvania, georgia, these are not called. when you're looking at this made, you're seeing who is

leading. these are not called yet. again, joe biden is trying to retake the blue wall states. he has wisconsin, now the question is michigan. if you look right here at 37,350 votes ahead, we know the vote count continues. that's about 94%. we know the secretary of state with the conversation with her just last hour, a lot of votes are inway county. do the common sense at home. we'll see if anything changes. you see there's about 20% of the votes to be counted here, largest population center here in the state. you can pull it out and look at it it this way as well the red circles tend to be more republicans, blue tend tore more democratic. we know this is where the bulk of the votes are, in detroit. we also know the secretary of state set out here in grand

rapids, this is a big deceptive. this is a republican area countywide, grand raps is where the cities are yet to be counted. so, again, logic tells you there's mo -- that's the whole point, count them out. there are more votes out here yet to be counted, and you come down here, tennessee is where flint, michigan is. joe biden is winning, not by a ton, which is why you count them. but in most -- democrats voted disproportionately by mail. that is just michigan. you add michigan to joe biden's total, and then you move out here, i'll too of in nevada. that was a clinton state much michigan would be a flip. wisconsin is a flip. nevada would be a hold. you see there's ever reason the trump campaign says keep counting votes. they should. they don't have the same approach in other places, but

here, again, the issue is what's missing, right? the votes that have not been counted are here in clark county for the most part. 72%, 73% of the votes comes out vegas and the suburbs surrounding it. if there's still ballots to be counted here, the president could come back, but the overwhelming population is in this area. but just where the people live, where the votes are yet to be counted, we count them until the end. not since bill clinton has a democrat carried for president, but that's a healthy chunks of votes, what are we looking for? phoenix and tucson, the overwhelming pool of votes is in the population centers and mainly here, maricopa county, phoenix and the fast-growing suburbs around it.

one of the fastest-changing pieces of america, which is why democrats targets it. joe biden constituency 52, 46, about 14% of the votes left. again no gain tier. but if you're in the biden campaign you see you're winning a majority of the votes in maricopa county, you expect you will. again, we have yet to call georgia,y et to call north carolina, the president is leading in those states. to get to the point to the drama of today, wolf, if biden's lead in michigan holds, the lead in arizona holds,ed lead in nevada holds, that's 270. that would be the finish line even if donald trump holds on, the president holds on to pennsylvania, joe biden can still win the presidency or if the count goes on for a couple days.

if the counting advances here, and here, by the end of the night, the biden campaign would be in position to claim he's the president-elect. >> even without pennsylvania? >> even without pennsylvania. they have to win about two thirds of the votes still outstanding in pennsylvania. we're standing by to hear from joe biden, as he inches closer and closer to the 270 electoral votes after his projected win in wisconsin. we'll be right back.

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joe biden whiening his advantage in the race to 270 electoral votes, after his projection of a we in wisconsin, he now that is 237. president trump has 213, as the vote counting continues, and it's really anyone's race. let's go to some of the our correspondents. we'll start with kate bolduan.

>> reporter: 24 hours after they began actually scanning the mail-in ballots into the system and the process began here at this convention center behind me, they are in and out at 50% of the mail-in ballots counted in philadelphia county. that's 350,000 mail-in ballots that they have received, which leaves them with a 350,000 total that they have received, 186,000 have been canvassed, leaving them with more bon 160,000 mail-in ballots still to go. statewide, some perspective, the secretary of state says, jake, there's still more than a million mail-in ballots that have yet to be counted. in the commonwealth, where 44,000 votes was the margin of donald trump's victory, a

million ballots still left out there, that is an important number. we don't know, of course, how they voted, but we do know that registered democrats requested mail-in ballots in philly and statewide by an overwhelming majority. again, we don't know how they voted. publicly the commissioners here not given a timeline of when they'll be done with this process, but they'll told me behind the scenes, not unreasonable to think they'll be done with wrapping this up by tomorrow morning. >> kate, say hi to everybody there for me. sara, where do they expect totals there in michigan? >> reporter: they're not given the exact time, but by sometime today, by this evening. that's what we heard from the secretary of say, so a few hours

ago, she want just over 100,000 ballots left tore counted. so that's where they were in the entire state. obviously we are in wayne county, we're in detroit, which is the pop ulouse county. the counting continues here. there was a bit of a kerfuffle, where five or six people saying they were gop observers trying to get in, trying to replace others who had left. they were not allowed in. i overheard one of the people trying to check them in, that they were not following the rules. there's a back and forth with police standing at the doors and there are conversations going on there. i can also tell you we have heard from the trump campaign who says they're suing, because they feel they have not been given good access to observe, a meaningful access to numerous counting locations to observe the opening of ballots. i managed to talk to one of the

people who has been here for hours counting ballots. she is retired, as she told me. she did not want us to use her name, because she already been asked her name by some gop representatives, and she felt a bit threatened, but she said, look, i can tell you anytime there is a problem -- and we've watched this play out. anytime there's a discrepancy, an issue, someone raises a red flag or it's brought to the attention of supervisors, literally you see six or seven observers both republicans and democrats, swarming the table, looking at what's going on a making their argument, so she absolutely does not believe there's any stopping of people being able to observe what's going on. let's go to las vegas, nevada, where erica hill is. what's the latest? >> reporter: what we know is the secretary of state says they are not releasing any further data until 9:00 a.m. local tomorrow

morning. here's what has been counted so far, early votes, election-day voting and any mail-in ballots received through november 2nd. keep in mind the first time in this state every single active voter was sent a mail-in ballot. it was their choice whether they wanted to vote by mail or come and vote in person. at every polling location there were also drop boxes. as everything is coming back in tonight, keep in mind there could be multiple mail-in ballots dropped at the polls locations. leer in nevada, there's a real focus on those mail-in ballots. as long as they were post marked by election day and arrive by november 10th, they will still be counted. there is a couple days built in there in case signatures need to be cured, in case there are any issues. where do we assistant in terms of mail-in ballots? why are they so important this time around? looking at the ballots returned so far, especially here in clark

county, as we know joe biden has a slight lead right now over president trump, the vast majority of those mail-in ballots, element half, have come from democrats. the as kate said, this doesn't mean they necessarily voted with their party, but the fact of the majority of ballots have come from democrats, that is something people are focusing on. the bottom line is we don't know how many more could come in. >> thank you, erica. we'll check back in with you. anderson? a lot to talk about. how do you see it? >> i said this last night, i would much sooner be biden than the president. what we are seeing is the playing out of what we knew would happen, which is that they mail votes would be counted later, and they would be heavily in favor of the democrats because of the way they came in. democrats voted more heavily --

>> and they have said they would be counted later and warned about this for a long time, but people are still freaking out. >> big time. my thing is on fire here. the question is, do we heat everybody up, or do we calm people down? >> i vote for calm. >> i do as well. >> look, i'm reading a book. [ laughter [ laughter ] look, i really, you know, we have known for the longest time that this was the scenario that was most likely to happen, that he states weren't going to be significant, and there was always this possibility that the president, because he had signaled this, would jump in and try to take advantage of the situation, rile people up. that's what he chose to do. let's just count the votes. we're going to know very soon.

let's count them and move on. >> i think what gets people riled up is the recount issue. there's a lot of pts about bush/gore 2000. and i think one think to think about in wisconsin, the votes that have been flipped in recounts are in the hundreds. you have the president behind by, what, over 22,000 votes there. and i think that when you start talking about recounts, it prolongs things and doesn't come calm everybody down. the white house is entitled to recount in wisconsin. that is what they want to do. they're raising money to do it. biden is raising money to try and defend himself there. but this notion that these recounts are going to change the outcome of what we have seen so

far is pretty low. >> for me i just want to say a couple things. number one, it is systthe syste holding. i think it's important to point that out. the president last night came out and said despicable stuff that is really -- he's running as a law and order candidate, and he comes out basically against the rule of law, against the constitution and declares himself the winner. and the system is holding. everybody got out and said, that's dumb. a bunch of republicans said, that's dumb, and we're doing what we do as americans. i think that's very important. this country is not what we thought it was. i don't care who you are, nobody predicted this outcome. it turns out that the outreach from republicans to african-americans and latinos was effective. it also turns out that -- >> they picked up more african-american females, african-american males. >> yeah. >> because donald trump says racially inflammatory stuff, he'll never make any inroads.

it turns out that wasn't true. it also turns out the politics of joe biden also worked. we can't just go -- we'ren do n doing a census, we're doing an election. both parties need to go back to the drawing board. but i feel relieved. i was terrified last night listening to the president of the united states talk that way, but to wake up this morning and hear the entire system saying, you know what? mcconnell said go away. that's good for america. >> just to pick up on the latino and african-americans, i've been having this conversation a lot. i've been saying that what donald trump is doing and the policies that he's putting forward, which is directly reaching out on manufacturing, on trade, on a whole host of issues that are blue collar issues, working people issues is going to connect -- i've been

saying this. if it wasn't for him and his rhetoric, these policies are popular. this is who the democratic party used to be but isn't anymore. >> right now it looks like he may be losing. so -- >> and the reason -- i'm leading to nevada. again, i'm not going to predict that donald trump is going to win nevada, but he's only 8,000 votes down. from what we just heard from merica is that votes were just cast 24 hours ago before the election, which sounds like a pence/trump voter. he is doing exceptional in nevada. why? because he wants to open up the economy. and nevada, what's their economy? travel. and so this -- this could be -- this could be a really interesting thing, that if donald trump holds onto

pennsylvania, north carolina and georgia and actually upsets in wins in nevada that covid could decide this election because trump wanted to open and biden portrayed that you couldn't. >> whether he does or he doesn't, it has to be said that he brought people out in ways that weren't expected yesterday, and republicans -- democrats went into yesterday's election expecting to add a dozen seats in the u.s. house. they have lost seats and it's not clear just yet how many. they went into the election expecting and hoping to take control of the u.s. senate. that is not going to happen. so they were hoping to take over legislative chambers in this very important year, because reapportionment is coming up. there were half a dozen that were in their sights. they won none of them. so trump had a real impact. >> and even if joe biden wins, a lot of -- it's still going to be very divided, and the idea of --

he's going to be the pilot of a plane he can't fly because you'll have the senate on one side and the state houses on the other side as well. we're going to come back shortly before joe biden's wisconsin win. will we be able to predict any more state wins? our coverage of the election continues in just a moment. >> announcer: election day in america continued, brought to you by nordictrack. bring your workouts home. visit nordictrack.com. ok, just keep coloring there...

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we're back with our coverage of election day in america continued. i'm wolf blitzer. joe biden has widened his edge over president trump in his race for the white house. biden appeared to have won the critical state of wisconsin and it's 20 electoral votes. that leaves seven states where it's still too close to call where the process of counting every legal ballot continues. biden now with 237 of the 270 electoral votes needed to win the white house. trump holding at 213 electoral votes. let's get a key race alert right now. let's start in michigan, a key battleground state with 16 electoral votes. 90% of the electoral vote is in. biden leads 49.5% to 48.8%. in arizona, 87% of the estimated vote is in. biden has a lead right now of

about 93,000 votes, 51% to 47.6%. a lot of electoral votes in arizona. in nevada with six electoral votes, 86% of the estimated voters in and biden haze very narrow lead of about 7600 votes over trump, 49.3% to 48.7%. we've got some more stakes right no -- states right now. let's look at pennsylvania. we have not been able to make a projection yet. 20 electoral votes in pennsylvania. 81% of the electoral vote is in. trump is ahead by about 235,000 votes. in georgia, trump is ahead 50.2% to 48.5%. in north carolina, 98% of the estimated votes in there.

trump is ahead 50.1% to 48.6%. and in maine where there is one electoral vote, 59% of the estimated vote is in. trump retains the lead, almost 21,000 votes, 51.6% to 44.9%. let's go over to john king at the magic wall. these races are really, really significant right now, john, and there is a lot of uncertainty right now even though we projected wisconsin going to biden. >> but that's a giant projection. that's a flip. 10 electoral votes, the key to donald trump's victory four years ago. we flipped that one. there are three states where you might say it's more important than others and they are michigan, they are arizona, and they are nevada. why do i say they're more important? every american's vote count, but where we are in the electoral math, if joe biden holds his lead there, holds his lead there, and holds his lead there, he can get 270 electoral votes

even without the commonwealth of pennsylvania. the biden campaign hasn't given up on georgia. the president is leading there. there are still some votes to be counted. but the significance of this day is the counts in michigan, the counts in arizona and the counts in nevada. if biden holds his leads right there, that's enough to get to the finish line. let's break it down and take a look. pennsylvania, trump leads. michigan, biden leads, wisconsin we project to biden already. that's one rebuilding the so-called blue wall that made donald trump president. let's move up michigan. look, and it's very close here, right? if you look at these numbers, 49.5 to 48.8%. trump thinks he can come back here. he needs about 59%. the issue is where they are. by circles here is population, and we are told by the secretary of state, wayne county, heavily

democratic. joe biden getting 60% of the vote. we'll count them. sometimes you're surprised. history tells us they will be predominantly democratic votes, and that's why the biden campaign is confident about its math there and also why it's critical we advance that math throughout the day. other places we're told where these votes are. we're told genesra genesee coune flipping that one. in cal -- kalamazoo, we know there are some votes to be counted in kent county. that's grand rapids here. you see the red here and your first instinct is the president might pick up some votes here, and that's poossible, but we do know the votes to be counted are here in the city of grand rapids. the suburbs tend to be more

republican as you move out from the city. the votes there, it's been democratic so far, but it's possible. we'll watch the votes. it's significant, when you come back out here, that biden has that lead. if michigan holds, and the secretary was on the air earlier, and said they hope to make good progress today. we should have a sense of michigan later today. if those hold, then you're coming out here, wolf. this will be a takeaway like wisconsin. if you can get arizona and another flip, then you're adding to the biden count. 93,518 votes, 51 to 48. if you round up, again, the bulk of the votes in this state, maricopa county, phoenix and the suburbs around it, just look at the math. joe biden is getting 52, 46 for the president. this is where most of the votes are missing. they're still out 86%. the trump campaign says they think they can come back. we'll watch that play out. then you move lastly to nevada.

it will be interesting to see if we get more votes out of nevada today because, again, that looks very close and it is very close. 647 votes. but we know, a, more than 7 in 10 votes in any race in nevada come here. clark county, as much as 72%, 73%. the vote will come out of here. number 2, we know it is trending joe biden's way right now, 53 to 45. it will be nice to see by the end of the day, do we get another chunk of votes, or can the president narrow that lead or can he stretch that out? 237 to 213. 270 is the finish line. can someone make it to the finish line today? the way for biden would be if you do michigan -- there it is. we expect -- we're still waiting in alaska. the president leads right now. it's not done, it's not done. i know democrats get mad when you do this. it's a hypothetical. the president leads there and

there. the president has a lead in maine, the 2nd congressional district. if it's light red, those are projected. those are for the sake of a hypothetical. if trump got georgia and alaska, that would put him at 248, and if biden can get michigan and nevada, that's where we have a fight because the president is leading. even if the president held it, that is what's so significant about the counts in michigan, arizona and nevada. because even if the president held pennsylvania, the biden campaign thinks they'll count the rest of those votes. steep hill, has to win about two-thirds of them. the biden campaign thinks they can pull off the math in pennsylvania, but as you can see right here, they don't need it if they hold michigan, arizona, nevada. >> they're pretty confident that is very much doable as far as the biden folks, if you listen to what they're saying.

>> both campaigns understand and they've been in touch overnight with what's out. what is yet to be counted in these places? most of what is left to be counted is the mail-in ballots, and in most places around the country the mail-in ballots were disproportionately democratic. we know biden supporters were more likely to vote by mail, the trump supporters would vote in person on election day. with all the data, plus the current amount of returns in most of the places, biden is leading in most of those places. so the map tells you they're comfortable, but we have to finish it. >> the trump campaign is talking of raising some potential legal challenges in, what, pennsylvania and michigan. >> right. i'm going to switch maps and come back over here and we expect to see them. they also said they'll do a recount in wisconsin. real see. what people say and what they do -- i don't mean any offense, this happens in all campaigns. this is a very emotional day.

late last night the trump campaign had reason to be optimistic. the overall counts, especially in michigan and wisconsin, and out in the west they had moved away from them. we should respect the emotions of the other side, but the trump campaign, number one, they have officials going up to pennsylvania today. the president's granddaughter lara trump, familiar faces, they're going to philadelphia today. they claim there is vote wringing going on here. our correspondents are on the scene. philadelphia has cameras in the room where they're counting the votes. the trump campaign says there is something necessafarious happen there. there's zero evidence of that. they say out here that they're already going to ask for a recount in wisconsin. that is their right. we'll see what happens if they actually follow through with that. governor scott walker, loyal republican, he has tweeted a couple times saying that's a steep hill if you look at the margin.

i've been through a lot of elections. very rare is it in any recount you overturn a 20,000-vote margin. in walker's experience, 300 votes changed in one, 700 in another. it's their right. as we respect the count, it's everybody's right to say, we're going to scrub this, we want a recount. i've been doing this a long time. that's a very hard number to overcome. we'll watch it play out. the trump campaign today talking to local people on the ground, spending a lot of time talking to lawyers on both sides. don't worry about a lot of things you hear today. we'll see how it plays oucht. >> trump has a significant lead in pennsylvania right now. potentially if you listen to the biden campaign folks, they think they have a real chance of winning pennsylvania. how does that happen? >> in we rewound the tape last

night, there were times when it was above 600,000. there has been a trend toward joe biden. can you get enough when you're at 82%? most elections, you would look at the 82%, 24,000 votes, and say that's too step ep of a hil. election day turnout, president trump, whether you like him or not, give him credit. the trump allies are out in pennsylvania. there's no question trump's f frenetic campaign at the end got him through. i'm going back to philadelphia where we know the trump campaign will complain today. we're only at 64% of the vote. you're looking at that lead, it's a huge lead, but you've got almost 46%, a third of the vote to be counted in philadelphia. just look at this right now. there is no guarantee it holds up this way, but if joe biden is

winning 78% of the vote and you still got 30-plus percent to count, you still have a third of it to count, there is reason to tell you joe biden is going to pick up more votes here in philadelphia. if you move over here, mont g t here, montgomery county, you got 10, 12% of the vote still coming in. joe biden is winning the votes in montgomery county. there is more votes potentially. if they continue the trend we've seen them, or even more because of the disproportionate democratic mail-in balloting. chester county, this is a little closer but still ballots to be counted. another democratic county, and there are some trump counties they'll be counting mail-in ballots, too. are those trump voters who voted by mail? are they democrats who voted by mail? pennsylvania is moving through this but you have to do more in allegheny county as well. you look at the big number, down

403,000. they're counting votes even during this conversation. our math is that joe biden in the ballpark has to win about two-thirds of what's left to be counted. they're trying to move fast in pennsylvania. >> they think there may be a million votes outstanding, so they're looking very closely at that. we'll see what happens in pennsylvania. jake, back to you. >> on the subject of pennsylvania, let's listen to attorney josh shapiro. president tru joe biden leads by 8,000 votes in pennsylvania. >> all the votes won't be counted until past friday. the reason for that, ballots, provided they were postmarked by election day, can be received up until friday at 5:00 p.m. so we know for sure we're going to have to wait until then. of course, we want to make sure all the military ballots,

provisionals, what have you, are counted. it's going to take a few more days, but as john king indicated in his report just a moment ago, you can see the numbers changing, you can see the clerks in our communities doing their jobs, and they are working around the clock to count these ballots. because at the end of the day, jake, we want to make sure we have an accurate count, we want to make sure we follow the law, and ultimately respect the will of the people. that's what these folks are doing right now in communities all across pennsylvania. >> i believe that the townships and counties throughout the commonwealth of pennsylvania are segregating the ballots that arrive after election day just in case there is a lawsuit about them. how many -- so let's just, for the sake of conversation, exclude them. i understand you're not excludeing them, but for the sake of conversation, how many ballots that arrived by election day remain uncounted as of now? >> yeah, and i'm sorry, you asked me that a moment ago, jake. that's a number that the

secretary of state can provide. i don't want to go into that territory and give a number that's not accurate. the secretary said earlier today that the number was in excess of a million. again, i'll leave it to her to clarify what the exact number is. but i want to go back to a point you made a moment ago. the idea is to segregate and count those ballots. it has been reviewed by our state supreme court and said they're valid, eligible votes. they ought to be counted. twice the republicans have taken that issue to scotus, to the united states supreme court, and asked them to intervene and stop the counting of those ballots, and twice they refused to intervene. state law governs on this, jake, and the state supreme court indicated that ballots postmarked by election day, received by friday, should be counted. >> just in the last few minutes, the trump campaign released a statement that they are planning to, quote -- let's move the

teleprompter up there a second to i can read the quote -- they are planning to, quote, suing to temporarily halt counting, this is their words, until there is reasonable transparency and republicans can ensure that all counting is done a aboboveboard by law. do you have any reaction? >> i think that's probably a political document more than a legal document. there is transparency in this process. the counting has been going on. there are observers observing this counting, and the counting will continue. i recognize that right now the campaign wants to spin, they want to say whatever they're going to say. but, jake, here's the deal. the campaign is over. the candidates made their case. now under the laws of this commonwealth, the votes have to be counted, and that's the process that's going on right now, and we will not let anything interrupt that process of counting. we're going to follow the law, we're going to count the votes, and we're going to certify based

on the will of the people. >> excluding smaller issues like signs being posted too close to a voting center and that sort of thing, have there been any irregularities in voting? >> no, you know, we said leading up to election day that it was our job in the office of attorney general to make sure we secure, protect and count the vote. there was a lot of litigation, as you know, leading up to election day. we were successful in defending the rights of pennsylvanians to vote. and, of course, we were planning on litigation on election day, and there were a few minor what i would call more localized issues that came up and were mostly addressed. and now apparently, i guess, according to this press release, they are contemplating some other legal action. i want to assure the people of pennsylvania, indeed, people all across america who are looking to pennsylvania for answers right now that we will count all legal, eligible votes. we will make sure they are tallied up, we'll make sure that

the will of the people is respected. >> josh, in addition to being the attorney general of pennsylvania, you're also a democrat and you are also up for re-election on the ballot. you tweeted a week ago that, quote, if all the votes are added up in pennsylvania, trump is going to lose, unquote. do you still believe that and do you understand why some folks expressed concern that that hurt your credibility as a law enforcement official of pennsylvania? >> hey, look, jake, that was a political statement made during a political campaign. what i have proven time and time again is that i will protect the rights of all pennsylvanians no matter what you look like, where you come from, who you love, who you pray to or who you vote for. and i said many times that we are going to respect the will of the people in pennsylvania,

whomever they choose. right now we have to let this process play out. we have to make sure that the clerks in our communities, the volunteers and the county officials are given the opportunity to do their job, to count these votes. understand, jake, these were individuals who, two, three weeks ago, maybe because they were afraid of covid or because they have a disability or they wanted to vote from the comfort of their own home, cast their ballots. these are legal, eligible votes, and we need to make sure they're counted. as the attorney general, i'm going to continue to make sure all of these ballots are counted no matter who the voters chose. >> josh shapiro, the attorney general of pennsylvania, thanks so much. i appreciate your time. let's talk about this, because, dana, we should just say, as we set the table here, we still don't know who is going to be elected. >> uh-huh. >> we don't know. biden is leading in some states, trump is leading in some states. there are thousands of ballots to be counted. that said, that's a big margin

that trump is leading by in pennsylvania, 500,000 or so votes. pennsylvania democrats say that they think there are enough outstanding ballots that they can reach that chasm and actually win, biden will win, but we don't know. >> we don't know, and what makes it more difficult for people trying to discern, democrats to the state and to the biden campaign are as confident as you can imagine that they are going to make up that deficit when you count -- they actually count the ballots, particularly those that came in early that the attorney general was just talking about. and that is the case kind of in a lot of these battleground states. having said that, the trump campaign is equally as bullish and as confident as, you know, absolutely sure in their conversations with us and with some of their surrogates that they will win. which is why we just have to be patient. let them count the votes.

we don't know until the votes are counted. and it could take until -- if pennsylvania is the one that's going to be determinative, he just said it could take until after friday. >> but what's notable of what happened in the last couple hours is that the trump campaign is explicitly saying in two states, in michigan and pennsylvania, they want to stop the vote counting right now. stop the vote counting. they're citing the need for more observers in the process, but that's not the position that you would be taking if you felt like counting more votes would help you in this process. this is what you do when you think that adding more votes to the count is going to continue to have the margins be what they are, and interestingly, in pennsylvania, they're going back to this issue of accepting ballots three days after the election. legally in pennsylvania right now, they can accept ballots that were postmarked on election

day up to three days after the election. they are saying in a document today that they're something the a case that is pending and take that up to the supreme court to relitigate that issue. so we are going back to some of these issues we were talking about before the vote, and the trump campaign is trying to limit the number of votes that can be kound in pennsylvania, because as you said, trump has a lead in pennsylvania. what's larger is the number of ballots that haven't been counted that were legally cast in that state as of today. >> ones that arrived by or for election day, not even counting these that arrived after -- >> i'm even talking military ballots that can be accepted a week after. >> so many can come in, from ohio or florida, as long as they're postmarked before

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we're watching what's going on, especially the race to 270 electoral votes. you see right now biden has 237, trump has 213. 270, that's the magic number needed to win. let's go to david chalian. taking a closer look at arizona and michigan right now, the ballots that still have not been counted. what do they suggest? >> take a look, wolf, at the state of play right now in arizona. what you see here is joe biden leading the state by 93,000

votes. 51% to 47.6%. what we're trying to figure out is how many votes are left to be counted? back of the envelope, this is a rough estimate, but you see here we believe there are roughly 600,000 votes still to be counted in arizona. so we're doing exactly what the biden and trump campaigns are doing right now. we're trying to figure out what sort of percentage of that uncounted vote of those 600,000 votes, what would biden need to hang on to and keep that state, what would trump need to overtake him? >> biden would need 45% of those votes to overtake him. if he got between 43% and 45% of them, he would likely hang onto his lead and win arizona. donald trump would need 52% to 55% of those votes in arizona to overtake biden and likely win in

arizona which is well above the 47% he currently has in the state. we're looking at michigan also in this way. the current state of play in michigan, as you know, biden has a lead of about 37,000 votes, 49.5% to 48.8%. we believe, again, rough estimate. these are not exact. but our rough estimate is 335,000 votes have not yet been counted in michigan. so we're calculating what does each campaign need in order to win michigan? well, those 335,000 votes that haven't been counted, we believe the vast majority of them are mail-in votes, and we believe that's a pro-biden group of voters, those that voted by mail. joe biden would need roughly between 43 and 45% of those uncounted votes in michigan in order to hang onto his lead there and win that state, okay? donald trump would need between 54% and 56% of those uncounted ballots in michigan in order to overtake joe biden and hold onto that state of michigan of you

see, that 54% to 56% range for the president, that is well above the current 44% to 48% he has in the state of michigan, wolf. >> very good point and very interesting. if biden wins those states, he doesn't even need pennsylvania or anything else. what do you make of what he just said? >> as david noted, this is what campaign worms have been doing since late last night, and now they're doing it especially in these states. if joe biden holds his lead in michigan, holds his lead in arizona, holds his lead in nevada, he gets to 270 electoral votes and he's the next president of the united states. that is the potential consequence of this day. let's just reinforce what david was saying. at this point, you know, you're 94% into the collection of votes, counting of votes in the state of michigan. so you see how the candidates are performing. to the point david just made, in the state of michigan donald trump needs 54% to 56% of the vote. you're asking, to overcome that

lead, a guy with 49%, how do you amp that s are speaking the truth, it's just unlikely. it's more unlikely -- we'll count them, but it's more unlikely when you go and look where those votes are. wayne county. and we've been here before. it's detroit. it's the biggest democratic area in the state. it's also the biggest, most populist area in the state, wayne county. joe biden is getting 31%. he's doing better statewide, but if there's still more votes to be counted here, logic tells you he won't be getting 54% to 56%. that's the challenge for the president. you have more votes here here in kalamazoo county. the president needs to get 45% of the still to be counted votes. again, it doesn't mean -- it's not impossible math, it's just when you look at the performance

there, if you have a starting pitcher that throws 80 miles an hour, every day he goes out and somehow throws a game of 92 to 95. that's just michigan. you come out of here and you come to arizona and you have the same dynamic, right? 93,000-vote lead, the president of the united states getting 48%. if you round that up right now, our ballpark estimate is he would have to get 52% to 55%. this is his track record right now with 86% of the vote in. you have a big basket of votes to understand what you're saying. you have to physically exceed that, and, again, most of those votes will come from here, maricopa county, because it is 65%. and you come in here, he needs

52% to 55%. you have to amp it up in the votes yet to be counted. logic tells you unlikely. the process tells us we will wait and see. it's the same challenge. i just went through two states where it's a very steep hill for president trump to overcome that math. let's bring it back out. it's just the same here for joe biden. you're down right now 383,000. that's come down. earlier this morning it was up around 607,000 votes. if you're in the biden campaign, you're trending in the right directio direction. you're trending down, but in the commonwealth of pennsylvania, joe biden has to get essentially 7 out of 10. of the votes we believe are outstanding, he has to win 70% of those votes. somewhere statewide, you're getting 76. your eyes tell you, 70%, how can he do that? it's a steep hill. let's acknowledge it's a steep hill.

the challenge is he's getting 68% here in montgomery county. he's getting 78% in maricopa county. you look at the statewide met rme metrics and say, can joe biden get 68% of the votes? steep hill for the president here, steep hill for the president here, steep hill for the president here. significant steep hill for the former vice president here. the challenge is -- not that any states matter more than others, but some do when you get close to the finish line just in terms of the math. if joe biden keeps that lead, keeps that lead and keeps that lead, he's the next president of the united states even if we have to wait on that. and even if -- we don't have on this board right now -- even if the president holds that, gets that, gets that and gets that. you can go up and down in the

electoral college math, but once someone gets to 270, we count the rest of them, but once someone gets to 270, that's called winning. >> we're waiting to hear from the former vice president. he's expected to deliver a speech at some point. i want to go to miguel marquez who is watching the situation unfold in detroit right now. what are you learning, miguel? >> reporter: if you're talking about where those votes are, where they're left to be counted, this is the exact place. this is tcf. it's the convention center in detroit. it's the absentee ballot counting area. this is where they've been counting ballots for the last couple days now, and the scene here is incredibly tense. i want to show you this room. there is about 134 trump observers and challengers in here. there have been several individuals who have been removed from the room because tempers are flaring here. i also want to show you what it

looks like for people trying to get in this room. so outside the convention center and at the doors of this, our producer carolyn sung has a shot here of the doors just outside where the counting is taking place, examine there is a throng of people who are trying to get in here claiming that they also are -- want to be observers or challengers to the vote. the problem is there is a process, a legal process, for how you become a challenger or observer. officials here say that they have tons of them in this room right now. democrats also have lawyers that, for the most part, are essentially following those observers around and making sure that everything is fine. they believe that they will be through the vast majority of votes here by this afternoon. they also believe, because this is detroit, that most of those votes will go for joe biden. the pressure on the people who have been counting votes is

intense. the sense of the difference between yesterday and today at this little corner of detroit is equally intense. clearly, both sides now fighting very hard, looking at how this process will play out. counties now have two weeks to canvass their vote. the state does the official canv canvass a week after that. we expect a lot of challenges after that. wolf? >> thank you, miguel. we're watching every vote in the seven presidential battlegrounds that are still too close to call right now. we'll have more results and possible projections. that's ahead. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

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we're expected to hear from former vice president biden here in a few minutes. i'm not sure what he's going to say. what do you expect to hear from biden? >> i expect to hear him say let the process run, let's count them all and then we'll know. i think his role will be to try to reassure people and encourage the process to move forward. it's going to be a different tone, i suspect, than what we heard from the president last night. >> one thing that's so great, though, we talk a lot about trump. trump just kind of hypnotizes you. you spend a lot of time thinking about him, whatever. biden, i think, got the most

vote of any president ever, and he did it the right way. he was very cautious with his people. with covid he was holding people back. we were very concerned about that. the postal service, sabotage, there are hundreds of thousands of ballots still missing, still able to be within a hair's breadth. you look at the fact that he protected his own people. he didn't have big rallies, he wasn't willing to sacrifice. stanford says there may have been 30,000 people who got sick because of these trump superspreader events. biden didn't do that. you'll see someone who is a decent human being, who is coming out, who is going to hopefully, i think, be responsible, but i don't think we celebrated enough. what an achievement for joe biden this late in his career to stand up and say, i want to bring this country together, and to do it the right way. >> with all due respect, joe biden ran the campaign because joe biden is not the most -- he

has some issues with stamina and communications, and he wanted this campaign -- >> i'm proud of the campaign he ran because he did not risk the lives of americans for his own personal gain. i'm proud of joe biden today. >> because it was in his interest not to do so. and number two, he wanted to make this campaign about donald trump, not about him. >> there was a strategy -- >> and he did. >> as you would with any incumbent president. >> the president helped on that. >> i understand you want to wrap your arm around your buddy, but i'm just saying this was a strategy more than it was some magnanimous thing by biden. >> let's focus right now on what is happening rather than looking back. there will be plenty of time for that when we're stuck on air for hours and hours. >> let's say biden does come out and say, count all the votes, which i think he'll do. you also have something going on with his campaign, which is his

lawyer, bob bauer, came out this morning and said, we've won the election, period. we've won the election, and we're going to defend that election. it's not about we're going to count the votes like the former vice president is saying -- >> what's the strategy for him saying that? >> the strategy on that -- and let me take you back 20 years -- is what they learned from florida. they went in to florida for a recount and said, we want to count the votes. >> you're talking about 2000. >> in 2000. and when jamie bakim baker went he said, we're going to defend our victory. bush has won. we're going to defend our victory. there are lots of people who are working for biden who were very involved in that recount. >> and got beat. >> who understood that they came to a gun fight with a knife, and they weren't going to do that again. so bob bauer was one of those people. >> and i'll tell you who understood that as well, the president of the united states.

that's why he went out and completely overtorqued it last night, but he wanted to claim victory and stake his claim to that real estate and create the image that something was being taken away from him. >> right, but the problem that i think they have in the trump campaign is that they're suing everywhere and everyone. they're saying, well, okay, pennsylvania, we're going to sue here because we don't like the way she set aside some ballots and allowed people to come back and check their ballot if it had been done improperly. we're going to sue in wisconsin. that kind of stuff makes it seem like you're thinking you're going to lose and you're trying to hang on by suing everybody. that's not what happened in bush/gore. >> first off, in pennsylvania they have every right to sue. the house and senate leadership and state legislature has called a press conference and said that the secretary of state should resign because she is not enforcing the law. on multiple fronts, she is

violating laws in pennsylvania. now, are they particularly consequential? maybe, maybe not. you would say no, but she's not following the law and that's the problem. >> i have to go with some breaking news. >> thanks so much. we do have breaking news. let's go to pamela brown who has information about the trump campaign filing at the u.s. supreme court today to intervene in pennsylvania, i believe. pamela, what can you tell us? >> this is the filing right here, jake. the trump campaign went to the u.s. supreme court asking to intervene in an ongoing petition that is before the court having to do with the receipt ballot deadline there in pennsylvania. as you know, jake, that has been under dispute. republicans went to the high court before and asked for emergency review about the three-day extension to the deadline for these ballots. they said that the deadline should be on election day, not after election day. the high court essentially said, look, we're not going to take this up right now, but left the

door open to come back to them, which is essentially what is happening. as you recall, justice leto said, we're not going to do anything, but if you think there is something wrong with these ballots, you can come back. essentially the trump campaign is coming back. here's what they said. the vote in pennsylvania may well determine the next president of the united states. this is coming from jay sekulow, lawyer for the president. and this court, not the pennsylvania supreme court, should have the final say on the relevant and desponsive outcome. even if the postmark wasn't legible, it could still be counted. that's what we're seeing play out here, but a really interesting dynamic, because before when this was taken up, amy coney barrett had just started.

she did not weigh in because she hadn't been involved in the case, she said she didn't have time to brief up. certainly a different dynamic here given how high the stakes are. all eyes will be on the high court to see what especially with donald trump's nominee amy coney barrett now on the high court who would like be part of this process. >> let's bring in ben ginsburg, a cnn contributor. you've been reviewing this document. tell us how good a filing this is and how good a case the trump campaign has, in your view. >> it's a very procedural filing. the trump campaign was, i'm sure, working with the people who actually filed the suit in pennsylvania. so there is not a real change in the arguments that are going to be made with the trump intervention. it does provide a bit of emphasis to the case. at the end of the day, this is more a case about the power of a

state supreme court versus its legislature to set the rules. there is nothing in this motion that asks for the court to hear the case sooner and it may well be that the court is mostly interested in this for the very real constitutional issue of the power of the state supreme court versus a legislature to make rules about the time, place, and manner of an election. >> the u.s. supreme court in 2000 in bush v gore did intervene so as to overrule the florida state supreme court. do you think that case provides any sort of precedent for the u.s. supreme court to intervene here and rule against the pennsylvania supreme court? >> the u.s. supreme court can sort of get into what it decides and wants to get into. make no mistake about it, this procedure right now in pennsylvania is very different from where bush versus gore was

a month after the election down in florida. what the state supreme court in florida did was really rewrite rules of the game that were part of florida legislation and they changed the rules of the game after it had been played. here, you've got in the pennsylvania supreme court, the body in charge of interpreting state laws deciding to go one way with the case, the legislature went a different way. that's a question more of who has got the ultimate authority to make these rules than something having to do with this election. >> ben ginsburg, thanks so much. pamela brown, you heard what ben just had to say. do we have any idea what is next when we are going to hear from the u.s. supreme court, when we are going to hear from the biden campaign? >> we are going to have to wait and find out on the supreme court. basically, the ball is in their

court to see whether they take this back up. it's interesting to note what we are playing out right now is basically legal war fare. the trump campaign is going to the u.s. supreme court and just seeing this filing now. a new filing from the trump campaign made to the philadelphia local trial court on election day to challenge how witnesses had access to observing the opening and sorting of ballots and checking that they had writing on the outside of the ballot. so this is what the trump campaign alleged earlier. they were claiming that the process wasn't transparent or fair. we should note, though, as you well know, in philadelphia, they have been live streaming the opening of the ballots, the whole process and it has been a very transparent process so interesting they are filing this case with the local philadelphia court alleging that, when you can actually go on right now to see the clerks there methodically going through the process and opening up the

envelope and then opening up the secrecy sleeve, looking at the witness signatures, unfolding the ballot and putting it in the scanner. you can watch that play out. what you're seeing, jake, is, like i said a legal war fare with the trump campaign going all out when it comes to pennsylvania and michigan as well. we are also just getting read in on this case in michigan i can report back to you shortly once i get more briefed up on it. >> to be clear so our viewers are not confused. those are three separate cases you just talked about. the u.s. supreme court and then the case having to do with the trump campaign being able to observe the counting of ballots in pennsylvania. then the michigan case. there is also the wisconsin request for a recount. there is a lot to keep track of. donald trump has always been a very litigious individual and here he is doing that when it comes to the election we still don't know who won or lost. the votes are still being

counted. dana? >> i want to bringing in michael. i'm sure you had a chance to look what the trump campaign did with supreme court. what is your reaction? >> stuff always happens on election day. i'm cleaning it up for you. stuff always happens on election day. that is the nature of the beast. think about it. we essentially create a pop-up sguks all across the country one day and we rely on a work force underpaid and then we are surprised when human factors get in the way. what i want to share with you from pennsylvania today is that there was less stuff happening, meaning human factors, not fraud. yesterday, than any election i can recall. in other words, where is the beef? there is no insinuation, there is no allegation, there is no bag of votes. there is nothing out there. i'm not saying that it won't be produced but you got to document something before you start

making allegations of the theft of an election. you can't just say philadelphia has a reputation. there was an election back in 1994 when absentee ballots played a role. there hasn't been anything widespread since. >> right. a couple of things. one is allegations or questions of fraud. the other is just the basic law that was put into effect by the republican legislature and the democratic governor that allowed some ballots to be counted after election day. so on that particular note -- >> with regard to -- >> go ahead. >> with regard to the first, you know, fraud is such a stinging -- it has such a connotation. >> sure. >> you can't just throw that label around. you can't throw theft around without backing it up. >> so given that, what do you make -- >> the vice president -- >> what do you make of what the trump campaign is doing? >> they are entitled to a fair count is what i want to say. they are entitled to a fair count but you can't make baseless allegations and you

also can't talk about ballots that really haven't even been counted yet as being if you would -- fundamentally unfair and not delivering -- >> you say they are entitled to a fair count. do you think this legal effort, particularly the within going to the supreme court is justified? >> i don't see any basis in evidence that suggests that there is a theft under way in pennsylvania. that's what i'm saying. show me something. >> so another question is whether or not the supreme court will even hear this, right? we don't know the answer to that yet. it's been suggested to me by a republican lawyer that it might not happen unless pennsylvania is determinative, meaning the whole ball game comes down to pennsylvania. do you think that that is possibly the case? >> you're giving a very practical answer and i happen to agree. the supreme court, the members

why would they decide they want to take it upon themselves to hear an issue that if wisconsin and michigan go the way that they seem therm trending, pennsylvania will become an irrelevancy. >> big picture. you kind of mentioned this at the beginning. do you feel competent in the way the vote counting is going based on the law that was laid out for all of the 67 counties in pennsylvania to go ahead and count the votes? >> i do. and i have a thought that maybe this mail process -- you know, dana, we are rookies at this. this is the first time that in a presidential election, pennsylvanians have been permitted to vote absentee without cause and as you've heard from secretary kathy bookfair, a ten-fold increase in comparison to 2016 in terms of how many people chose to do it through this methodology. my theory is because so many chose to vote through mail, you don't have the normal type of

reports of things that went awry at particular polling places on election day because there were so many more who availed themselves of the opportunities to vote in advance and didn't have to show up and vote. >> michael smerconish, thank you for your insight. jake? >> thanks. it does appear as though the trump campaign is able to see the writing on the wall and they have decided to throw as much at the wall as they can, especially when it comes to lawsuits and false claims. we have now word from wilmington, delaware, that former vice president joe biden is coming out and special soon. let's bring in jeff zeleny, our reporting on the ground there. what do we expect biden say? he cannot yet declare victory. no one has declared him the winner and there remain many outstanding states. what is he going to do? >> reporter: i'm told joe biden is going to do what his campaign has been saying all day long. he believes he's on a track toward victory.

i am told he is not declaring victory himself but call for the fair counting of all the ballots and he is going to work by advisers and this could be fluid but push back against the suggestions of fraud and any suggestion this election is trying to be stolen. you can see the backdrop. the exact same stage he inspected the democratic presidential nomination in the month of august. it will be the same type of spirit and tone i am told, a very presidential-like tone. he is going to, you know, make this claim and make this a statement that all of these votes should be counted. we do not necessarily expect him to talk about each of these separate lawsuits here that are just coming in but we are told he will be joined by senator kamala harris, the first time we have seen the two of them at least on the same stage since the election yesterday. i'm told all morning long he has been