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may they rest in peace, and may their memories be a blessing. thanks very much for watching. follow me on twitter and instagram. tweet the show as well. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. . "outfront" next, joe biden calls trump's refusal to concede an embarrassment. breaking news, a shakeup at the pentagon. four senior defense officials have been fired or resigned in the last 30 whours. what is at stake? and biden's lead growing in a crucial battleground state. the votes are still coming in. every vote is and will be counted. let's go "outfront." good evening. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight,
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president-elect joe biden addressing the president, who is doing everything he can to poison america's political system for the purpose of clinging to power. >> sir, what do you say to the americans anxious over the fact that president trump has yet to concede, and what that might mean to the country? >> i just think it's an embarrassme embarrassment, quite frankly. >> he is right about that. you know, we're supposed to be the country of stable transitions. we are supposed to be the system of government most admired in the world. just think about that. right? it is what we are, and how we're defined. think about that when you listen to what mike pompeo, our top diplomat, the face of america around the world, had to say today. >> is the state department currently preparing to engage with the biden transition team? and if not, at what point does a delay pose a risk to national
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security? >> there will be a smooth transition to a second trump administration. all right. we're ready. the world is watching what is taking place. we're going to count all the votes, when the process is complete, there will be electors selected. there's a process, the constitution lays it out pretty clearly. i'm very confident that we will count and must count every legal vote. and every vote that was unlawful must not be counted. >> and just moments ago, he implied that illegal things happened, which may change the outcome. >> we need to make sure that every vote that was legal was counted, and every illegal vote not be counted. >> around the world, we ask for those who lose elections to respect the will of the people. but the secretary of state of the united states of america saying a second trump
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administration is in the offing, refusing to support the laws that define and govern a peaceful transition of power. and this transition can begin even as the trump administration exhausts all of its legal avenues, as it has a right to do. it's a legal strategy that the biden campaign is calling theater. and let's be clear about this. in the battleground state of pennsylvania, biden is ahead by more than trump was when he won the state in 2016. and the votes are still being counted. the margin is getting wider and wider. hillary clinton did not contest it then, and so far, president trump has not put forward any evidence of any fraud in pennsylvania or anywhere else in this country. and yet, you have the secretary of state talking about a transition to a second trump term, as if it's funny, or as if we live in some sort of a
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dictatorship. mike pompeo is a smart guy, and knows what is it stake. just listen to mike pompeo. >> i tend to want to brag about the united states. but this is -- this is a democracy that has withstood enormous challenges in its history. if we do not lead for democracy, who will? democracy requires stewardship and constant vigilance. >> what happened to secretary pompeo? if he has evidence of widespread fraud, he had better share it. because the world is watching, and they're doing what pompeo won't do, congratulate joe biden, from canada to france to germany to the uk to australia to india to sweden to new zealand. the list goes on and on and on. and yet just moments ago,
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secretary pompeo dismissing all the calls from world leaders that biden has received. >> just saying hi, i suppose that's not too terribly difficult. >> every day counts to getting this right. and yet tonight, mitch mcconnell is suggesting americans wait up to another month before accepting the election results. >> until the electoral college votes, anyone who is running for office can exhaust concerns about counting in any court of appropriate jurisdiction. it's not unusual, it should not be alarming. at some point here, we'll find out. >> and in the face of it all, joe biden remains calm.
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saying he still believes the gop will accept reality, and then he will immediately reach across the aisle to them. >> how do you expect to work with republicans if they won't even acknowledge you as president-elect? >> they will. they will. >> arlette, what is the biden team's latest thinking on how to handle this, especially with secretary pompeo talking about the transition to a second trump term? >> reporter: they're moving forward with their plans, even with president trump and some of his republican allies refusing to acknowledge the reality that biden has won this election. what you're seeing from biden is someone who is trying to project some steady confidence and says
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he's not going to play president trump's games and will continue moving forward with his transition. even if the administration is withholding some of the resources that he needs to get under way. we saw that today, when the biden team rolled out their transition agency teams, which will start to work towards that goal of what the agencies will look like, and they'll talk to outside experts and past officials to try to get the lay of the land, even though they're not on the ground in those departments and agencies. what biden is making clear is that he will not allow president trump to derail any of his plans. >> arlette, thank you. and boris sanchez is outside of the white house tonight. pompeo reflecting the boss, and the president not showing any signs of giving in. how long is he planning on taking this fight? >> reporter: he's not planning on conceding any time soon.
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in fact, the president's latest actions indicate he's not going to go gracefully. multiple sources across federal government agencies told cnn they've gotten the word from the white house that the president does not want any of the agencies cooperating with president-elect biden's transition team. he doesn't want them to do anything that would imply biden had won the election. also, he's pressing them to come up with a budget for next year, going forward assuming a win. i can't believe i have to say this, but president trump did not win, and has not gripped reality. clearly the president is angry about this, still in denial. he has not done a public event since thursday when he went to the press room and spouted a ton of conspiratorial nonsense, quite frankly. the president has been active on
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twitter, claiming the election has been stolen from him, even as the allegations he presents fall apart. >> thank you very much, boris. and they've not put forward any allegations of fraud which would impact the outcome of the election. which is clear, and is becoming clearer and clearer as every legal vote is counted, as they should be. for now, professor lawrence tribe, he was part of al gore's 2000 recount team. true for joining us. you heard mike pompeo, the face of american democracy around the world saying there will be a smooth transition to a second trump administration. all right, we're ready. what is your reaction? >> it's not funny, it's disgraceful. i think the president-elect, joe biden, has been very clear that
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it's an embarrassment. but there's nothing that pompeo or trump or any of those guys can do to prevent biden from becoming the president. on january 20th, at high noon, he becomes the president of the united states when he takes the oath. and any trump administration official, including the president himself, who pretends to have power under the executive branch after that point is committing a federal felony, punishable by imprisonment, in addition to any other crimes they might have committed. it's as though he's going to build an alternative white house in mar-a-lago, and he will pretend to be president even though he's not. >> he's mounting the legal challenges, and he has every right to mount them, and see if
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they stand in a court of law. thus far, he has not been successful. but many republicans are still backing him. here they are. >> is it time to acknowledge that president-elect biden won the election? >> you know, president trump is looking at his options. >> senator, have you congratulated vice president biden yet? >> no. >> why not? >> trump has not lost. do not concede, mr. president. fight hard. >> i think it's way premature at this point. we do not know who has prevailed in the election. >> i don't think the president has any reason to just walk away, throw up his hands, and say that's it. >> professor, you hear all that. let's be clear. when you look through all the cases they're mounting, every challenge out there. do you see any legal challenge that the president could pursue right now that would change the outcome of this election? >> absolutely not.
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and to say that he hasn't succeeded is an understatement. he's 0 for 12 in the cases that i've counted. i've read the complaints. there's nothing there. there's no there, there. if there were, then among other things, mcconnell wouldn't be the majority leader. because the ballots that they say were fraudulent, without any evidence, are the very ballots that have elected the republicans to the senate. so they can't have it both ways. they can't claim that they retook the senate and that the whole election was a fraud. it is the arguments that they're advancing that are fraudulent. and, yes, they have a theoretical right to go to court, to waste money going to court. but it's not going to get anywhere. i think the reason that all of these republicans are going over the cliff like lemmings is that they seem to think that even out of office, trump will have some
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hold over them. maybe he will start a new network, and they want to go guests on the trump show, who knows. but they certainly are not going to have any influence over what actually happens. trump is simply like a petulant child, refusing to admit he's lost. >> and there's been no evidence put forward in any way that would support the claims. so the gsa, the general services administration chief is a trump appointee. and the chief has the formal ability to allow a transition to begin. it's not just a paper pushing thing. it's essential to the rule of law and the transfer of power. you saw it firsthand, the bipart season 9/11 court agreed that the abbreviated transfer after
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the bush/gore fight continue -- contributed to what happened with 9/11. >> i think it does harm national security. it's clear, that because the president-elect, having been vice president for eight years, has plenty of experience in all of the people who are helping him, that the trump people might not be able to help very much. but underneath the political appointees, there's a whole bureaucracy that is sitting on top of a pile of information. some of it dealing with our nuclear readiness, some dealing with foreign affairs. they're simply going to make it more difficult for the biden administration to hit the ground running. but given all of the experience, both of the vice president and of the people on the team, and
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many of us who are advising him, given all of that, he's not going to be stymied very much. but i do worry that in the interim, putin and other dictators around the world will take advantage of the fact that we're creating confusion. and there are millions of people, certainly many who voted for trump, who are confused, and wonder what is going to happen. and i'm sorry about that. >> professor, i appreciate your time. thank you very much for laying it out clearly. 0 for 12 on legal challenges. now, janet napolitano, and lawrence wilkerson, i appreciate both of you being with me. secretary napolitano, what are the risks posed here, by what
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you hear out of not just mcconnell, but out of the face of american democracy around the world, mike pompeo, saying he's prepared for a second trump administration. these delays and these words? >> i think words matter. to the extent that they're casting aspersions on the american election, those words get shared around the world. and cast doubt from other countries, a doubt that is well-deserved. because as you've been saying, there's no facts on the contentions that the election was somehow stolen or that there is widespread fraud. despite all of the cases, the facts and the law don't support them. and vice president biden is the
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president-elect. we are fortunate that he has much experience and his team has a lot of experience. so that they can manage their way through this. and they will. but it doesn't help the security of the country and it certainly doesn't help our image around the world. >> so, colonel wilkerson, you're on the national task force on election crisecrises. i want to play you again the words from secretary pompeo today. >> there will be a smooth transition to a second trump administration. all right. we're ready. the world is watching what is taking place. >> colonel, you went through a lot of crisis scenarios for this election. did you ever imagine something like that from the secretary of state? >> not from the secretary of state. he's right, the world is
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watching. we've had secretaries of state from jefferson to bryant to kerry, they wanted to run for president. but they didn't do it from the podium of the secretary of state. that's what he's doing. he's trying to capture that kernel of president trump's base for the next presidential election. it's just egregious that he's doing that. imagine him facing sergei lavrov, or facing the foreign minister from china or any other foreign minister. they will be laughing at him, or scared of him. >> secretary napolitano, what game is secretary pompeo playing? >> i don't know what is in his head. maybe his statement was just a bad joke. but we're not preparing for a second trump term. we're preparing for the
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biden/harris presidency and vice presidency. the voters have cast their ballots in huge numbers, and the results are the results. so at some point, hopefully sooner rather than later, president trump and his team, including secretary pompeo, will have to get through it and acknowledge that vice president biden is the president-elect. >> so, colonel wilkerson, among the scenarios you gamed out, what is the biggest risk right now, given what you just heard boris reporting from the white house. the president is going forward with budgets for next year, saying not to give any money for anybody involved with a transition. refusing to accept what has happened. >> in our simulation results, the trump team did exactly this
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and more. they ransacked the white house, stole paintings, took the secret service and went to every trump hotel and stayed forever, they camped at mar-a-lago, they did all manner of things to make it impossible to act swiftly. but like professor tribe said, i think this man is one of the most experienced people, certainly in security and foreign policy to come to the white house in a long time. i don't think it will be as injurious for us, for example, when we had a truncated process with the george w. bush administration. so i think that's a safeguard here. i look for more from this team, because we saw it in the simulation. >> all right. thank you very much. words of warning there. thank you. i appreciate both of you taking the time, secretary and colonel.
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unstopables in-wash scent booster. downy unstopables. breaking news, another pentagon official leaving his post. joseph kernin resigning tonight. four pentagon officials have resigned or been fired in the last 24 hours, including mark esper. barbara starr is "outfront" from the pentagon. what are your sources telling us about the shakeup, four senior people gone in just a day? >> reporter: all indications are that they're the victims, if you will, the recipients of the
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white house deciding to clean house for political reasons. there seems to be no other explanation at the moment. in fact, the policy chief is being replaced by a trump loyalist who has advocated conspiracy theories in the past. there's anxiety in the pentagon hallways. they're using the word political beheadings, that these are scary, dictator-type moves. that's the kind of language we're hearing from people here tonight in the pentagon. and there's just not a clear understanding of what the president intended to do next. why is he replacing all these people, and does he have a strategy to use the military that has not been explained yet?
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we just haven't seen this type of thing in the past. >> barbara, thank you. and the implication that these thoughts are even going through people's minds is stunning. and senator klobuchar joins us now, four pentagon officials gone in 30 hours. your reaction? >> my first reaction is that it's veteran's day tomorrow. and in our military, as much as we can have differences on policy, when our soldiers sign up to serve, they don't ask the guy or woman next to them, whether they're a republican or democrat. when an administration ends, sure, some people leave in december. but he fired the secretary of defense by tweet, and now you have the top officials leaving.
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and i guess my second reaction is this. you couldn't have a better contrast between biden and trump. joe biden announcing a 13-person panel of distinguished experts to deal with coronavirus, and trump firing someone by tweet. biden showing his plans, showing the calm and confidence to get us through. he can't be president right now, but he sure is acting like it right now. >> sources say trump is angry, because gina haspiel didn't help him with his investigation. she met with mitch mcconnell, do
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you think she could be fired next? can the president be stopped? >> perhaps mitch mcconnell is stepping in as a backer of hers. i just don't think you want to lose these career people right now. democrats may have had issues with a number of these officials in the past. but the point is, you want some people that are still in charge. it makes the transition so much better. as lawrence tribe and secretary napolitano pointed out, joe biden is coming in with a lot of national security experience. but you need a team that is talking with the past administration, as we've done so often in the past. and remember, what has been stopped now is things like space and funding for the transition, and being able to vet people and get national security clearances and the like. so it really, really is heartbreaking to me for our
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nation. after this incredible speech from joe biden saturday night, talking about how the grim era of demonization should be behind us. and addressing trump voters directly, saying i've lost before. i know it's disappointing. but i'll give you a chance, if if you give me a chance. i still think that's where a lot of people are right now, regardless of how republican officials are acting in washington for their own personal reasons. go ahead. >> i wanted to ask you one other thing today, senator, while i have you. and that's the supreme court, which appears to be ready to uphold much of the affordable care act, which is facing a challenge. here's president-elect biden. >> this argument will determine whether health care coverage of more than 20 million americans who are covered will be ripped away in the middle of the nation's worst pandemic in a century. we're going to do everything in our power to ease the burden of
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health care on you and your families. i promise you that. >> today, the chief justice, john roberts, and justice kavanaugh talked about how they will not strike down the affordable care act. does that prove a nonpartisanship that many have alleged was in the court? >> i hope so. we can't afford to do what this administration wants to do right now, the trump administration is bringing the case to throw people off of their insurance with pre-existing conditions, and throw out the affordable care act. it doesn't surprise me, because there are some real issues with the case. but we know there are a number of other cases coming down the pike, like lgbtq parents adopting kids, about the census,
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and about voting. so i don't think simply about because of the words of two justices, the world will suddenly see a change in this very conservative court. >> senator, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> very good. thank you. next, breaking news, a pennsylvania postal worker changing his story. what he's saying now. plus, she was 1 of 3 democrats who flipped her district in the election, which had been held by republicans since 1995. in georgia. what is happening in georgia? how did she win? she says it was this message. >> today we're in this crisis because of politicians who have given up. >> will that work for the democrats running in the senate runoffs? ♪spread a little somethin to remember♪ philadelphia cream cheese, made with fresh milk and real cream. makes your recipes their holiday favorites. the holidays are made with philly.
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breaking news, a postal worker in pennsylvania, reca recanting allegations of voter fraud that have been cited by the trump campaign and republican officials. this is a state from the democratic house oversight
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committee. the poster worker said they were not actually ordered to backdate mail-in ballots. >> this is a big deal because of what you said, republicans have been citing this as evidence of massive widespread fraud. even lindsey graham put this in his letter to the department of justice asking for an investigation. now we're hearing it's simply not true. richard hopkins reported that the postmaster in erie, pennsylvania, was instructing postal workers to backdate ballots. why does that matter? as we know, pennsylvania officials allowed for three extra days for ballots. but the supreme court left the door open to potentially litigate these ballots that came
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in. so it was up in the air. now we're learning that he's recanted his statement in full to the postmaster inspector general. and we're learning this from house democrats on the oversight committee, tweeting out that the whistle-blower completely recanted. this was one of the big one cited by top republicans. this is really going to wipe out that argument and leave questions as to what happens next. >> thank you very much. as we said, right now republicans are 0 for 12 on these cases. that's something they had been citing, and it turns out the postal worker has recanted it. it comes as we have new results from the state of pennsylvania which show joe biden widening his lead. john king, "outfront" at the magic wall. he's still there. okay.
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so what is the very latest? >> let's walk through some of the states in the context of what you were talking about. pennsylvania, since we called the race, projected the race at about noon on saturday, joe biden's lead is now 45,000-plus, up 11,000 since saturday as they continue to count the mail-in ballots. his lead is going up in the commonwealth of pennsylvania, up 11,000 since saturday. georgia, 14,149, up a net 5,000 votes since we projected the race for joe biden on saturday. let's move west. out in nevada, we've projected the state for biden. they're still counting some votes, but since we've projected it saturday, a 36,000-vote lead for biden, up 14,000 since saturday. and arizona, biden's lead is down, the president has made up about 6,000 votes since
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saturday. but biden still in charge. and the trump campaign said they're going to file a federal fraud suit in michigan. a 148,000-plus vote lead. donald trump won the state by 10,000 votes four years ago. i've been doing this for 35 years. you're going to say it was fraud to flip 150,000 votes? it's not happening. let me put this into context. this is where we are right now. let's say the president picks up north carolina, we haven't called that yet, and alaska, they're still counting votes. joe biden holds his lead in georgia and in arizona. that gives biden 306. even if president trump were successful with a challenge in pennsylvania, joe biden still is the president of the united states. even if he was successful with a challenge in pennsylvania and in georgia. joe biden is still president of the united states. so even if they flip two states, it's not enough. and those are the two biggest states on the board that are quote-unquote still in play. they're not still in play.
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that just highlights the ludicrous nature of this. the math here is just not there. >> the math is insurmountable. and with michigan, clinton didn't contest this, a 15 times greater margin of victory. it's just not going to change. >> the average wing swing in a recount is maybe 500 votes. >> and north carolina democrat cal cunningham, the senate races are really crucial. conceding that race today. obviously we haven't called that state's winner in the presidential race formally yet. but what is latest there? >> they're still counting votes, and cunningham conceding today. the state campaigns, they understand what votes are coming in. and cunningham coming to the conclusion, this is the senate race. let's flip over to the
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presidential race. we haven't projected it either, but there's no expectation in the biden campaign that they'll win this. they'll wait and see the results. they fully expect president trump to hold the state. and guess what they're not doing? screaming fraud. >> right. well, that's the thing here. just to make the point, john, they're counting and taking time because the ballots that are left, they want to make sure if something was folded wrong, you try to get it right. >> we were talking about this earl earli earlier. if you see fraud in an election, you see it in the days before the election, on election day, and in the immediate time after. if they had documentation, we would see it now. >> thank you, john. and this comes as republican lawmakers are too afraid to admit joe biden is the next president. >> i think that the whole
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republican party has been put in a position with a few notable exceptions of being mildly intimidated by the sitting president. >> "outfront" now, denver rig e riggleman. he has acknowledged the joe biden and kamala harris victory. why are so many of your colleagues avoiding it or going further, amplifying president trump's claims of election fraud? >> i'm not quite sure. thanks for having me on. i think part of it is when you have a constituency like this, maybe they're afraid to say something against the president where they could lose those votes. i'm not quite sure.
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and sadly, it's my way of speaking out that has me leaving in january. i find it amazing that people put the man or woman above the institution. i think the best thing to do is stick with facts. that's what i try to do, say exactly what i mean, exactly what i feel. and i think a lot of that has to do with my military background. i have more freedom to say what i feel. in two months we're going to have a new president, and that's a fact. >> it is a fact. and some of your colleagues have admitted biden is the winner. some. only four in the senate have said so. >> they call me to say, you know, congratulations, please convey my well-wishes to the
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president-elect, but i can't say that publicly yet. >> have you heard similar sentiments, everybody knows what is happening, but publicly they're just not saying it? >> yes. and i know that's a very blunt answer, but yes. it's like, hey, thanks for being out there. thanks for doing this. and we've been getting calls from republicans saying, thank the congressman. i can't really say much out here, but thank him for doing the right thing. and what it comes down to, i just don't understand why we can't just state a fact. i know a lot of it has to with elections where everybody is so worried about what somebody will say about them. but you're elected to serve, not to pander. and it's something i've been talking about since i was elected. we just need to acknowledge facts. it's not that big of a deal to
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say we've transitioned to another president. i just don't understand it. >> i don't, either. and you have trump with a new super p.a.c. and donald trump jr. and his girlfriend are making moves to expand. do you believe that so many of your colleagues are afraid, that they think somehow when trump leaves office, he'll still be able to control their fates? >> yes. and i think that's ridiculous. i would humbly submit this. if i were to run for office again, i can't imagine kowtowing to a group of people who want to run a party. i'm difficult to bully. and people need to step up and say, we serve the constitution, not the few. the constitution is bigger than any individual. we've been doing this for a long time. i think we've had a lot of presidents and a lot of transitions. let's transition peacefully,
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move forward. there's no sharpie gate, no wat watermarks, no ballots being burned. it's out of control. >> there are so many countries where that sort of things happened, and we just didn't think it could happen. we need to understand that it's just not the way you want to be. thank you so much, congressman. i appreciate your time. >> thanks, erin. next, now that the senate rests upon georgia, what does this newly elected senator say about the runoffs? and a grim milestone tonight. more people are hospitalized with coronavirus than at any time since the pandemic began. none are proven stronger or more effective
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resign? >> i am very, very frustrated with the administration elections here in georgia. in the primary on june 9th, i woke up that morning and over a dozen of precincts did not keep voting sheets where people showed up to vote. i would say it is a big difference between myself and democrats and that we want more people to vote and we want more votes to be counted are what republicans are concerned about. >> congresswoman bourdeaux, i appreciate it. >> dr. anthony fauci, a warning as more americans are hospitalized with coronavirus than ever before. bipolar depression. it's a dark, lonely place. this is art inspired by real stories of people living with bipolar depression. emptiness. a hopeless struggle. the lows of bipolar depression can disrupt your life and be hard to manage. latuda could make a real difference in your symptoms.
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breaking news, more people are hospitalized in the united states with coronavirus than ever before. 62,000. the nation has never before topped 62,000. the death toll is ahead of 239,000 and more than 10 million americans have been infected
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with the virus. there are zero states in the right direction when it comes to cases. 44 states seeing an increase over the past week. dr. fauci says expect worse. >> we can get through a lot of difficulties if we don't adhere to the public health measures. >> more states are tightening restrictions tonight. wear a mask. thanks very much for watching. good evening, the president and his enablers are encapsulat escalating fraud for the election when the only fraud that they lost the election and he lost the electoral count and the popular vote. joe biden is president-elect of the united states. president trump and the people around him are too afraid to tell him he's