people, are going to be asymptomatic and it's not going to kill them -- they're still learning about what the long-term effects of this are, i mean, we talked to so-called long haulers, people who have ongoing symptoms of covid they had when they were hospitalized for back in april and march. >> yeah. that was one of the things that surprised me. i know you talked to the guys at sinai as well about the long haulers. i thought it correlated to how severe your symptoms were initially. just like you say, even people with minimal symptoms can have long hauling. they could have these covid naps. this brain fog. you know, all these strange symptoms that really just linger. they're functional, you know, they're doing their, living their life, but it really does linger in some people. you don't want this virus, i think to your point. the other thing, anderson, the hospitalizations, you mentioned it, hospitals are going to become overwhelmed. going to run into situations

where people are going to call, say, hey, my loved one is having a difficult time breathing, they need to go to the hospital. they're going to say, we don't have a bed here, they need to go to another state. north dakota only has 20 icu beds. they are figuring out how to send patients to south dakota and montana now. >> sanjay, thank you. the only thing we can do that can actually have an effect immediately is wearing masks, social distancing. sanj sanjay, thank you. that coronavirus task force report we mentioned cited, quote, significant deterioration in the sun belt. florida reporting more than 5,800 cases today alone. that's why the governor's new hire to crunch numbers, a man with apparently limited qualifications, is raising so many eyebrows. more now from "360's" randy kaye. >> reporter: from ohio sports blogger to data analyst, kyle lamb announced his big career move on twitter. i will be doing data analysis on several fronts for them including but not limited to covid-19 research and other

projects. but the governor's new data analyst has also been labeled a conspiracy theorist. during the pandemic, lamb supported the idea that virus was created by china as a biowarfare test. lamb has also falsely supported science never supported that masks stop the spread, that hydroxychloroquine was an effective treatment. and that mask lockdowns were not necessary. all of which has been debunked by scientists. still, lamb directed us to his lawyer, who told me lamb stands by those posts about masks, hydroxychloroquine and lockdowns. so how did a guy like lamb end up being hired as a data analyst for florida's governor? the governor's communications director bouldnwouldn't say, bu us lamb was hired as a data analyst two, which is an entry-level data analyst position, adding it has nothing to do with covid-19.

this week "the miami herald" quoted the sames spokesman saying lamb's role would not focus exclusively on covid-19. the governor's office may have been aware of lamb for some time. his communications director retweeted posts from this blog that kyle lamb contributes to. he's also retweeted kyle lamb. the governor may also have taken notice after a recent fox news guest mentioned kyle lamb by name. >> another twitter user named kyle lamb, who has been a really good researcher on this stuff. >> lamb's qualifications appear thin, even by his own measure. lamb once wrote, i have no qualms about being a sports guy moonlighting as a covid-19 analyst. fact is, i'm not an expert. i'm not a doctor, epidemiologist, virologist or scientist. randy kaye, cnn, west palm beach, florida. >> well, the news continues. want to hand it over to chris for "cuomo prime time." >> thank you very much, anderson. i am chris cuomo and welcome to "prime time." is happy veterans day to the men and women who serve now and who

did serve, and to the families, the husband and wives worrying at home. the kids with missed memories. the brothers and sisters and loved ones wondering when those who risk it all for us to have it all will be home. thank you to each and all of you. we appreciate, certainly i appreciate your service. and may we take the message of this day, the ideal of putting nation before self, even committing to the ultimate sacrifice, more to heart. yeah, i'm politicizing it. i'm looking at you, gop enablers. and you know why. veterans day came from armistice does, eisenhower renamed it. the date was to mark the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month in 1918 when it ended. well, it is the 11th hour now after this election. and these gop cronies know it is over. shame on you for allowing crazy

to become contagious as covid in your ranks. why do you think trump is ousting pentagon leadership and loading up with loyalists? maybe it's for troop withdrawal. maybe it's to get russian information released. and maybe it is because he is twisted enough to try to do something way worse. remember who said nothing. remember their shame. president-elect biden is doing what he can. he's meeting, planning to take on the pandemic. you know, the one where all the numbers are now in crazy scary territory and trump hasn't even mentioned it? does it sound like someone his party should placate? now we hear not only is this administration denying security briefings to the president-elect, but they're blocking biden from receiving a stack of messages from foreign leaders.

again, this goes way beyond trump. trump is toxic, surprise. however, the real surprise is the blame that must be put on those who ignore and, therefore, empower. and those who say, this should just run its course. running its course means transition and they know it. i'm telling you, remember the people who are enabling this fraud. they must answer for defending trump's delusions. they are remaining silent when it matters most. most republicans in washington, did you know, they won't even say president-elect biden in publ public? you know who else is doing that? vladimir putin, president xi and kim jong-un. great company. the best they can be apparently is senator langford from oklahoma. this guy. he sits on the homeland security

committee. he won't call biden president-elect, either he does say, though, he should get the daily security brief. can you believe that's the best in their ranks? even karl rove, remember him? he penned an op-ed saying, this is over. karl rove. you know how toxically partisan to be for karl rove to be more fair to democrats than you? and remember, the shame is that this is a game for them. they have no proof. you have heard them list no proof. over an state tv, they have a list of potential bad votes. nothing that comes close to changing the results, and they know it. and we know they know. how? because they held the exact opposite position when they won an election. cnn's k file found the ugly truth. feast on this. >> you have people out there calling for recounts that are

unsubstantiated based on no evidence. this was a legitimate election and no one should question that president trump is the president-elect. >> it's a fascinating group of these democrats that can't seem to realize it is time to move on, it is time to accept the fact that trump will be the next president of the united states. >> hillary is on her sore loser tour and now we have her going through recounts. you know what she needs to do? she needs to get over it. she lost. get out of the way and let donald trump be president. >> do you think the democrats are sore losers? >> yeah, i do. >> the reality is, they're a bunch of spoiled cry babies. >> news flash for those who continue to try to delegitimize president-elect trump's massive and historic win last month. the election is over. hillary clinton lost. you have to win 270 electoral votes to be elected president and president-elect trump actually got 306. this is all really just an effort to delegitimize the win. >> they're going nuts. >> they can't accept the election results, let alone the fact he's going to solve

problems. they have to decide if they're going to interfere with him finishing his business, interfere with a peaceful transition of power or if they're going to be a bunch of cry babies and sore losers about an election they can't turn around. >> this is america. we live in a democracy. everybody when they woke in the morning that's registered to vote could go choose. so how about respecting the majority that also live here and their vote should count. >> okay? shame on them. a wax museum is less cold-blooded than these people are. and let them know they are going to lose way more than this election. this matters. what they're playing at now matters. this isn't tax, don't tax. this isn't who lies, who doesn't lie. this is what lies at the heart of our democracy, and they know it. hillary clinton, say what you

want, she promptly conceded even though she spanked him in the popular vote. why? that's what our system demands. other democrats swiftly came to terms with trump's victory. proof. >> we must accept this result and then look to the future. donald trump is going to be our president. we owe him an open mind and the chance to lead. >> so i have instructed my team to follow the example that president bush's team set eight years ago and work as hard as we can to make sure this is a successful transition for the president-elect. >> i want to offer my congratulations to president-elect trump and wish him well for the american people. >> we of course are all very disappointed, more than disappointed. hard to accept the results, but accept we do. peaceful transfer of power is what america and our democracy is about.

>> 77 million plus and counting delivered a spanking to trump by voting for joe biden. we have never seen a number like it. what about the 70 million who voted for trump? what about them? what about respecting their role in the democracy by honoring the democracy yourself? they came out and voted. they played the game the right way. and, again, let's put up some of the vote boards in the key races to show how this is not a squeaker. this is not about finding a few ballots or even a few hundred. and that's all recounts generally change. karl rove said that, too, in his op-ed. wisconsin, biden is up more than 20,000. pennsylvania, he's up more than 50,000. in georgia, he's up more than 14,000. the state announced today it will be holding a full recount. and that should deliver confidence in the outcome. nobody is saying no recounts where they meet the standard.

nobody is staying don't certify. we're saying don't lie about having proof of some kind of problem when it doesn't exist, because that is enabling a fraud and you know it. in nevada, biden leads now by more than 36,000. in michigan, you know, clinton lost to trump there by under 11,000. she didn't fight it. trump is suing to stop michigan from certifying the count, he's down by 146,000. now, just as gross, you know where trump didn't want to stop the count? alaska. why? cnn just called the race for him today. they have been counting absentee mail-in votes for over a week. why is that okay? because he won. again, this is not about trump. as i said, he is a revenant at this point. he is a dead man walking, because he's not even vital enough to deal with the crisis that is overwhelming this country. he doesn't even talk about the numbers, only himself.

that's who he is. it is what it is. and it's ugly and it's always been. he's always lied when he sees a loss. proof? okay. romney lost to obama in 2012. trump -- total sham. 2016, primary season, ted cruz beats him in the iowa caucus. what does he say? he didn't win. he stole it. 2016, he loses, right? what does he say? rigged! even after he won, he ordered a commission. why? i only lost the popular vote because 2, 4 million, 6 million, because the numbers are all the same to him, right, just like his net worth. they were all fraudulent. he puts together this commission, headed up by his boy kobach. you know what they find? nothing. they had to remove the commission. do you know how rare that is? he cried fraud all through the 2018 midterms, claiming people were voting illegally multiple times by changing clothes. proof? crickets.

and let's not forget one thing. trump was impeached. and remember why. shaking down a foreign power to help him fix this election and take down biden. he is a liar and a cheat. but he always has been. he is not the real problem. he can't do this alone. it is the cronies inside and the craven in congress. that's why this continues and continues to hamper our fight against covid. again, trump hasn't even told you about the latest numbers, and he is doing nothing. and they are stalling the rightful transfer of power to a group that will do something. and remember, none has provided you any proof to justify this malignant malfeasance. they must all be held to account for what they are enabling right now. never forget. so what is the state of play with this? what is biden able to do? how bad for how long? dana bash, david gregory join us

now. thank you for your patience. dana, what is the latest word in terms of how long the gop will prop up this per fewty? >> there is no time. there is no date. there is no specific marker that they're looking for. it's kind of, they'll know it when they see it, which is certainly not an answer. >> like porn? >> kind of. that supreme court case. kind of like that, yeah. it's a different kind, but yeah. i know exactly what you're saying. so they are different a couple different things. they are allowing these court cases, which even people close to the president call frivolous, they're allowing them to run their course in order to try to show the president, this is a dead end path, the courts. and another date that we're looking at is december 8th, when, by law, all of the states

have to have certified their electoral -- their electors and certify the election. and so those are two things that we're looking at. but who knows? i mean, as you just described and as we know because we have been covering donald trump as a politician for five years, we know to expect the unexpected. and why these republicans who are just saying, let it run its course, think that there will be an epiphany at some point, is unclear. >> why doesn't proof factor into it, david? you know, ordinarily, this would make sense. you know, 2000, that was an ugly period. we had bad machines down there, there was a recount necessary, went through the courts, went to the supreme court, we all know the story. there is no there there here and yet they argue vehemently that it has to run its course. based on what theory? >> that they're afraid of the president. you know, in a lot of these cases, you see members of the

president's party separate from him when he becomes less popular. that's when they get the backbone to separate, because they feel like they've got the political reason to do it. here they don't sense that. you know, the writing is more than on the wall. the evidence is clear. these legal avenues, you laid it out, are not going to come to fruition. the vote totals are too big. the victory is too big for biden. none of it is going to work. and yet i think rank and file republicans know and certainly republican leaders in washington know that trump is going to have some area of power, whether he threatens to run again or just launches a television network, a news network or just keeps tweeting, he's going to keep dogging these republicans. and they don't feel like he's significantly diminished yet for them to, you know, walk down pennsylvania avenue and say, it's over. it's just not the case yet.

nobody -- we've seen it for four years. nobody is willing to get out in front of him. that's a very small handful. >> dana, go ahead, but please wrap this in there, as well. what do they make of what he's doing at the pentagon? >> you know, that's the question that i've been trying to get the answer to all day. for the most part, one of the answers that i get is, you know, this is just the president disliking esper, who was the defense secretary, and that also goes with the people who -- the political appointees, the civilian leadership that were under him. you know, the question obviously because the place he decided to make moves was at the pentagon is, is there something dangerous going on? because it's the pentagon. the answer that i've gotten so far is no, but it's not a -- it's not a sure no. it's a no, i don't think so. so people are watching. but just to amplify was david was just saying, i talked to a

source in the trump orbit today who said what the president is saying internally is that he believes he holds all the cards. 72 million americans voted for him. two georgia seats are still going to be contested in a runoff on january 5th. that determines whether or not mitch mcconnell is the senator majority leader or the senate minority leader. and that is why -- one of the big reasons why the senate republicans in particular feel they' -- they're so intimidated. because, if they make him mad and they piss him off, they're worried he won't go and campaign for the republicans and they could lose the majority because he will feel that there is no feelty to him. >> strong point. it makes sense, and that's what i've heard as well. but what an ugly calculation. david, the idea of what this means for biden. he announced ron klain as his chief of staff today. he's got an interesting line in his pedigree, having been the

head of the -- he was the ebola czar. some names are bubbling up, but not getting any messages from foreign leaders. are there other avenues for that? not getting the security briefing. are there other avenues for that? >> i think for the time being, he's fine. remember, this is the former vice president who was just there four years ago. ron klain has been in government for a long time. he's one of the wise men of democratic politics. and the point about the ebola czar is really important, because not only is he a fantastic guy, for one thing, but a loyalist to biden, but because of that particular experience with ebola, he's going to mobilize very quickly for the administration to respond to covid. and just as the financial crisis was what obama faced coming into office here, this is the number one crisis that biden faces. and that to me is the biggest cost of this particular period, is that you just have inaction. you said it at the top.

the president is not talking about this horrible spike in cases and the crisis that is redeveloping. you have a government in waiting in transition that is doing this work but is being cutoff because right now there is no cooperation with the administration. imagine if they put their forces together what they might be able to accomplish. >> david, dana, you guys are like the super twins. this is really great. thank you so much. such perspective and insight. this is great. thank you for my audience. i appreciate it. >> thanks, chris. all right, now look, again, the marriage of this, okay, they have no proof to delay the transition. they have offered you none. and they are sleeping on all this proof that covid is worse than we've seen it. i mean -- it's not just hurting us at home, it is impacting us around the world and that's got to count at some point. madeleine albright can give us the skinny on that. the former secretary of state is here. what does she make of what's

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bizarre sense of wonder and growing anxiety. on top of the anxiety. new tonight, the state department is actively preventing the president-elect from seeing messages from foreign leaders. yet, those same leaders are going around the trump administration. great perspective. from canada, germany, the uk, turkey, saudi arabia, they're finding a way to congratulate biden on his victory. it's also telling who hasn't, putin, xi and kim. the only company they're able to keep right now is the host of gop congress members who are basically acting the same way. doeses does it matter? what does it mean short-term, long-term? is this real? is miss angst justified? former secretary of state and un ambassador, madeleine albright joins out. madam secretary, welcome to "prime time." before we begin, congratulations to you, 72 years ago today, you

came to america. what a beautiful addition. you are part of what the dream is all about. >> well, chris, it's great to be with you. and i am a grateful american for this country, having given my family a place to be, when communists had taken over and before that we had spent the war in london. so, i really -- we were -- i was 11 years old and i was very grateful and i'm wearing the statue of liberty because recently, the statue of liberty was weeping and now she is smiling again. the way it looked when we arrived on the "ss america" in new york. >> why is she smiling when we have a nontransition, changes at the pentagon, a disregarding of an election and an entire political party standing by and saying nothing?

>> because she's patient. and i do think that this particular moment, which is truly ridiculous and i heard what you were talking about before and very troubling. but i think that our patience is going to be very helpful. and we have a great future with president-elect biden and vice president-elect kamala harris. and i think that it's going to make a difference. and i'm looking forward to it because some of the absolutely ridiculous things that are going on now will be put behind us and our allies and friends will regain trust in this country, which was lost in the last four years. >> again, not to put a pin in the bubble of this commemorative day of you being here and of the sanguine outlook which ordinarily would be appreciated, but where does your confidence

come from, with trump saying, i'm going to win and all these senators and members of congress with no proof, not a single piece other than, you know, the customary things you say, perhaps bad ballots, maybe people stole other people's identities. we see these things in elections. but nothing of the standard they would need to overturn an election. and yet they're all saying, let it go. >> well, i have say i'm totally appalled obviously by the behavior of trump but also by members of his party who are not objecting to the kinds of things that are going on. elected officials who should not be terrified of any payback that would come from trump. but i really am surprised. i believe in bipartisanship. i want to see them doing something and being really honorable in terms of their own constituencies and so i am deeply troubled. by the way, i'm often asked if i'm an optimist or a pessimist.

i'm an optimist who does worry a lot. so i am worried. but i prefer to be able to look at this as a way where we will sort our way out of it, because we have very, very good people who are ready to come in and run a government that has been chaotic and without purpose except for the glorification of a president that is only interested in his own legacy. so we have an awful lot to get over, and i'm looking forward to the time when the transition can really take place and we will have a government that is reflective of america's potential and greatness and our understanding of democracy. >> two more quick things. one, what is your sense of time until when the transition takes place? and how much time will you have before it starts to disrupt relations abroad? >> well, i do think you've gone through a number of dates that

have to happen. i think we will go through that. but i think it's very important for us to really -- i hope that our friends and allies really are listening to those people that are talking about, we'll get over this. our democracy is resilient. democracy knows how to correct itself. and i do think that it is important for them to understand that we will get through this, but it's not simple. there is just -- i'm not going to sugar coat it. i think there are very serious bad things going on in terms of the example that we set in the world. by the way, chris, we have been awol for the last four years. we have not been present at the meetings that are important. we have a president who only has his own agenda. so there is going to be an awful lot of work to restore america's reputation and to make us very active partners in a world that needs to have america as a reasonable, rational partner.

>> any risk that people abroad say, this biden, he doesn't even have support at home. i'm not dealing with him. >> i don't think that will happen. i really don't. first of all, they know biden. that is the incredible part. i have known him a very long time. he is somebody that has deep relations with countries all over the world, with the leaders. they know him. they also will know, i think, a lot of people that will be in the administration, and i do think that things can be restored, because we have to get this done. and by the way, you were talking about transitions. i have been transitioned into and i have done the transitioning. the latter is more fun, but it is a very interesting period in turning over the crown jewels. so there has to be a process that is orderly and important. and by the way, from my understanding is the trump people didn't know how to use the transition going in. so that is the problem.

and so it is not going to be an easy transition in terms of picking up the pieces and knowing -- and the intelligence briefings have to begin. people need to begin to take their places. so i'm not going to, as i said, sugar coat this. there are many things to do, and the calendar, as you have described it, there are certain dates that have to happen. i do think that it is very important to try to show the patience and peace and patriotism and to really get through this very, very troubling period. >> mike pompeo is setting a low bar as secretary of state. not just with his bad call on what to say undermining the election. but he doesn't really have a lot of achievements to his name. who would you like to see as secretary of state? >> any number of people. >> give me one, just one. >> pompeo is more dedicated to trump and the party than to

democracy in the united states. >> agreed. give me one name. >> i'm not going to do that. >> i knew it. and i always lose. secretary madeleine albright, thank you so much. 72 beautiful years in this country. you have been doing nothing but pay the country back for the opportunity it gave you and your family. always a pleasure to see you. thank you for perspective on the moment. >> great to be with you, chris. >> terrific. >> i'll talk to you again soon. god bless and be well. >> thank you very much. look, what's the problem? the problem is this isn't just for fun. this isn't just political state of play. states all over the country are starting to run out of hospital capacity. remember, it's a lagging indicator. we started to see the cases spike. oh, but the hospitals are okay. yeah. that comes next. now we're there. we're breaking records of the wrong kind. so let's get together and figure

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now, if you want proof that the wrong side is winning in a big contest, look at the war against covid. we're seeing more new cases than ever. more than 140,000 people were infected just today. that's another single day high. not just a blip. the ninth consecutive day we have seen more than 100,000 new cases. you know, the more cases you get, you're going to add more than a million new cases each week, what do you think happens to the system, communities,

families? why is this happening? well, that partly is answered by looking at where it's happening. the worst of it right now is in the midwest. but every region of the country is facing a surge to differing degrees and, again, for varying reasons. texas became the first state to pass 1 million covid cases. a dozen other states recorded their highest single day of new cases this week. what do you see there? relaxing the standards. a sense that you're passed it. now testing. testing has increased. but the proportion of tests that come back positive is what matters. and that rate of positivity is increasing in most states. look at the color key. take a second. look at it. trump lied when he said testing was the problem. you go, you test more, you make more cases. no. the positivity rate is what matters. the darkest states have positivity rates as high as 55%.

it's all shades of blue. you want to be in that light, light, light blue like you see in new hampshire and vermont. more americans are being hospitalized for covid than ever before. that takes care of the oh, they aren't that sick. now they're in the hospitals. it is a lagging indicator. 17 states reported record highs in hospitals on tuesday. what happens when they run out of capacity? for the second day, we topped our hospitalization record with more than 65,000 people in hospital beds. hospitals all over are at their breaking point. in north dakota, staffing shortages are so bad that the governor is allowing health care workers with active covid infections to continue working as long as they're asymptomatic. can you imagine, all these months in? more infections, more hospitalizations, only means one thing. eventually you will see more deaths. an average of nearly 1,000 lost each day.

yesterday, we had more than 1,400. can we continue to let this virus win when we know of ways to stop it? we can learn from our previous battles. but what? how? when? the chief doctor sanjay gupta joins me now. good to see you, brother. why do we look to where it is spreading for a more acute analyst of what that state, region or community needs to do differently? >> well, because, you know, we don't have a national strategy, right? so every place as a result is different, has sort of had different guidelines. we have to sort of look at what's happening there. these rural areas, south dakota you were referencing in one of those graphs. for awhile there, we thought these waves that were going across the country were going to skip. they thought it was going to skip them. now as you point out, 55% positivity rates, which means that there's far, far more cases

than are ever being accounted for. they're simply not catching them. north dakota over there, they have 20 to 25 icu beds total for the state. okay? so, what happens, chris, in these situation, when people start having some of the worst symptoms here in those places? it becomes a real challenge. it is true younger people now compared to before are more likely to get infected. i mean, 50% roughly now are under the age of 50. before it was 75% were over the age of 50. but there's still, you know, a lot of infection out there. by the way, 18 to 29-year-olds now make up a quarter of infections. those are college students, a lot of them. that's sort of what's happening across the country. >> mortality rate, that is the last bastion for the denier. you know, as a function of cases, the death rate is going down, so it doesn't really matter that we have these cases. >> the death rate, i think, we have learned a lot about this virus. we know how to better care for

patients who have the virus. there is certain therapeutics like remdesivir, steroids. we know that ventilators aren't always a good option for these patients. instead putting them in a prone position may be a lot better for people who are having difficulty breathing. as opposed to going to the ventilator. and as i mentioned, younger people are more likely to be getting infected now and they're less likely to get as sick. the problem is as you eluded to, the numbers are so high, while the proportion may have come down, the absolute numbers are so high, the expectation is we are going to be at 2,200 people dying every day starting at the end of january. we're going to hit 300,000 cases per day by the end of this year. you talk about the hospitalizations, they think those numbers will double by february. so, it is -- it is, you know, the numbers are all going in the wrong direction, even if the death proportion rate has come down, it is still unacceptably too high. >> do you buy the promise of a t-cell test? what is it? why would it be a good thing? and do you think it's something we should jump on in terms of mass production?

>> i think someone like you might find this interesting, chris, right, because everyone talks about the antibodies, which are these proteins that you measure in the blood after someone's had the infection to see if it's -- they still have immunity. we know those antibodies wane over time. we have seen reinfections, but we haven't seen huge amounts of reinfection. seeing some, but not a lot. why? probably these t-cells which are these cells that are part of the immune system. they seem to be activated in response to this virus. so they may be a good measure of immunity. the problem is, we don't know still how much immunity they confer. still have to figure that out. they may end up being a better measure long term versus antibodies. >> sanjay gupta and your luxurious locks, thank you so much for being with us as always. i appreciate -- >> i'm getting this cut now. definitely getting it cut. >> first of all, it's gorgeous. second of all, doesn't matter how bad the pandemic gets, i will always have a sense of humor because it is the best

medicine there is. >> at my expense. >> everybody loves sanjay. i'm just different by giving you some heat. nobody gives you heat. i'm on text threads with two different people now randomly, randomly, who are going through long haul, one of them just found in a scan of her lungs that she doesn't have enough big blood vessels. she has a lot of small blood vessels and it's robbing her of oxygenated blood. therefore, she's short of breath. the other one, nine months in she just said good-bye to the support group online. and she's just now, very fit, very strong, just starting to resume activity. long haul is real, even if you have a mild case. we have to stay on how this goes. >> that's right. >> and we have to keep smiling and loving each other. sanjay, i love you and thank you. >> i love you, chris. take care. >> because, look, if we don't care enough about each other, we're not going to care about what's happening. i think it's a key ingredient

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the latest radioactive thrust into the pentagon is retired army colonel, douglas mcgregor. state tv regular, of course. history of xenophobia. history of racist comments. big proponent of immediately pulling all of our forces out of afghanistan. and he has parroted kremlin talking points on ukraine. mcgregor, not alone. the new faces include a retired general, too controversial for even republicans to confirm. and a who's who of trump's efforts to declassify anything that he seems to believe would

exonerate him on russia. >> russia, russia, russia. it was russia, russia, russia. >> russia, russia, russia. russia. it was russia. >> sadly, that's him at some of his most cogent. and think about it. nothing russia wanted in your heads about biden that he didn't put there twice as much. just so happens to be a topic andrew mccabe knows well. good to see you, brother. >> good to see you, chris. >> why is he doing this stuff with the pentagon? do you think it's about russia disclosure? or something worse? >> you know, i think it could be -- it's -- there's a couple of things that come to mind here. it's obviously not clear what the president is trying to accomplish. i think, in the short run, the idea of putting officials into positions to green light the continued release of confidential and highly-classified intelligence, to support his political grievances, is a -- is concerning enough.

but honestly, chris, from my perspective, as a law enforcement official, concerned with protecting the homeland and my career in the fbi, i know that there is a very delicate balance between the military and their very, very limited involvement in law enforcement activity in the united states. and that requires very high-level requests from the attorney general to the department of defense. usually, only happens during times of national security special events. and i am concerned that the president may be putting officials in positions to potentially green light or slick the skids for the involvement of our military in domestic and political law enforcement activities and that is something every american should be concerned about. >> first of all, like what? second of all, are we getting lucky that it's on the military side and not on the intelligence side, where they'd have more immediate access to this type of declassification?

>> well, i don't think there's any lack of pressure being put on the intelligence side, at the same time. i think, the reporting today in "the washington post" was highly concerning about a -- a -- a concerted effort, among intelligence officials from the military, to the cia, to the attorney general, himself, to democrats and republicans in the senate. all of whom, are desperately trying to stop this president from declassifying highly, highly sensitive intelligence that was used in the intelligence-community assessment, in 2016, to detail the involvement of russian meddling in our -- in our election in 2016. so, that is happening, right now, according to the reporting in "the washington post." what's happening at the -- in -- in positions of leadership in the department of defense is another, very concerning undermining of the independence of our military and intelligence infrastructure. >> stepping on toes aside,

what's the big deal if some sources and methods get exposed? what is the risk? >> well, it's a very big deal to some of those sources, who might be facing a very significant threat to their own lives. but i will tell you this. obviously, i'm limited in how detailed i can get talking about the work that we did on the intelligence community assessment. but i will tell you that, that assessment was the result of a tasking from president obama to put everything we knew on the table about what the russians might have done in 2016. and that product, at its highest and most classified level, included information from sources of irreplaceable value to the united states government. unbelievably, highly classified, sensitive sources. and to think that a president of the united states would risk compromising those unique sources of intelligence to our government, simply to solve some

political grievance or to support his narrative about russia. it's unthinkable. i mean, it is -- >> unthinkable? what have you been, in a foxhole, for the last three or four days? what do you mean it's unthinkable? the guy won't even turn over power. he's got no proof. >> it should be unthinkable. why are we here? why are we even talking about this? i can't believe we're even having this conversation. >> he is holding up the transfer of power in a democracy, over sour grapes. come on, andrew. you know better than that. you've been -- you've been in the media game long enough to see what's going on around here. not everything is, you know, all dotted and crossed. people just do things for bad reasons, sometimes. let's hope this plays out in the favor of those sources, so the work of intelligence can continue. andrew mccabe, i appreciate you. thank you. >> thanks, chris. >> got to teach these guys everything. listen, we must honor those who honor us by putting their lives on the line to protect our democracy. and this is a day to do it.

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