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and loved helping other people. charles scott of new york was 76, an english teacher for 50 years who was excited to travel the world during his retirement. may they rest and peace and may their memories be a blessing. thanks for watching. i'll be back tomorrow for a special "situation room," 7:00 p.m. eastern. "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. "outfront" next. president trump breaking his silence tonight but only uttering a fleeting reference to his election. plus breaking news, the u.s. reporting another record number of covid cases. the president settling political scores, telling millions of americans they will not have access to a vaccine right away. cities across the country bracing for stop the steal protests. it may appear to be a grassroots movement but wait 'til you see who is really behind it. let's go out front.
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good evening, i'm erin burnett. out front tonight, trump breaks his silence as biden's electoral vote win surges to 306. cnn now projecting the president-elect has also won georgia. the first democrat to win georgia since 1992. and it comes on top of biden flipping arizona blue last night. biden's electoral vote tally, now 306. his popular vote win now more than 78 million. 5.3 million more than president trump. look, this is a major victory no matter how you look at it. and the way america scores political wins. yet the president, who spoke publicly for the first time in eight days, still refuses to concede and accept his loss. in fact he barely mentioned the election, it was just a passing remark while talking about lockdowns. >> this administration will not be going to a lockdown. hopefully the -- the, uh, whatever happens in the future, who knows which administration it will be, i guess time will tell, but, uh, i can tell you, this administration will not go to a lockdown.
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>> his pause and almost stumble there notable, because he knows. we all know. but he is refusing to transfer power. he is refusing to concede. he is refusing to tell millions of americans who believe him the truth. and he's refusing to take questions. >> when will you admit you lost the election, sir? >> he wouldn't answer the question from reporters, instead letting his tweets stir a poisonous brew. this election was rigged from dominion up and down, just one of many of that ilk today. dominion is an election software company. in the past hour, trump has continued to retweet baseless stories about them and millions of votes. but the facts, dominion's technology did not affect vote counts. the department of homeland security even said as much, coming out with a strongly worded statement that, quote, the november 3 election wax the most secure in american history.
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forced to do that after trump keeps repeatedly making baseless allegations of fraud and against dominion. the man who the president himself appointed to make sure voting machines work dismissed the president's accusation, saying, quote, we see bold statements on twitter or at the podium and we see hearsay and laughable evidence presented to the courts. there's just not a correlation between those. he will be my guest in just a moment. speaking of laughable evidence, trump was dealt more legal losses today. in pennsylvania alone, judges tossing out two cases trump bought to invalidate thousands of votes around philadelphia. in michigan, a judge rejecting a request filed by trump supporters as, quote, not incredible and rife with speculation about sinister microwav motives. and the trump campaign dropping its own lawsuit in arizona, saying, quote, the tabulation of votes statewide has rendered unnecessary a judicial ruling as
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to the presidential electors. they're accepting reality because the lawyers know the truth. and yet trump, trump is still surrounded by a dangerous group of sycophants who enable him to mislead millions and millions of americans. >> are you prepared to say that the president will -- president trump will definitely attend the inauguration? >> again, you know, that's many -- that's many steps away here. we're talking january. and, uh, president trump believes he will be president trump, have a second term. litigation is the first step. many steps away from that. >> it would look pretty bad if he did not attend the inauguration. it would look like sour grapes, wouldn't it? >> i -- i think the president will attend his own inauguration. he would have to be there, in fact. >> kayleigh knows better. in fact she along with her boss know full well that 306 electoral votes is a loud, clear, and major electoral college victory in this country.
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just listen to them. >> i think you remember that, but, uh, i ended up with 306. that was a good number. 223 to 306. that was -- that was a big number. >> president trump's landslide, his 306 electoral votes in 2016. >> remember, 306 to 223, that's a slaughter. that's a slaughter. >> he won overwhelmingly with 306 electoral votes, the most since any republican since reagan. >> we won that easily, 306 to i think it was 223, we won it easily. that was a great victory. >> 306 electoral votes is a great victory. it is a great victory in 2020 for joe biden. jason carroll is with president-elect biden in rehoboth beach, delaware. jason, biden moving full speed
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ahead on his transition plans, cabinet plans, it's full steam ahead. >> reporter: it really is. the biden team is looking at everything happening in the trump world, and moving ahead with their transition efforts. for example, this weekend the president-elect is going to be meeting with his transition advisers. much of the discussion will be about those cabinet picks. they already have in mind the names of the folks they want for all the positions including key positions, defense and treasury. we're told the president-elect is going to be taking a very deliberate approach to all of this. he knows that whoever he names is going to be put under intense scrutiny by the republican gop. in terms of outreach, though, to the gop, his incoming white house chief of staff, ron klain, has basically already said that biden has already reached out to a number of gop leaders. so that is happening. in terms of also what we can tell you, there was a press call
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earlier today, team biden was basically asked about how the transition efforts are going, how it's been proceeding so far, given that the trump team has put up so many roadblocks. you've got the gsa, the general services administration, that has basically not signed that paperwork that would help them get access to resources and funds. biden is still not getting those intelligence briefings as well. and basically team trump's senior advisers saying, we're not looking for a food fight but legal action is not off the table. team biden moving ahead with their transition efforts. it's not a straight line, but they are moving ahead, erin. >> thank you very much, jason. let's go to kaitlan collins at the white house. kaitlan, the president came out today, speaking for the first time in a week, end of the day, didn't take questions, didn't acknowledge biden's win, but didn't say he will win. there was a pause and a stumble there, which i guess is a shift
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for him, as he looked down and sort of read his entire statement on the vaccine. tell us what's going on. >> reporter: yeah, you're right, the president has been denying up and down the board what has happened in this election, which is that he has lost and joe biden has won. but two times today, the president came close to kind of acknowledging it, if we'll call it that, to where in a tweet he was talking about what happened in arizona, making these baseless allegations that his own dhs says they have no evidence of, talking about the voting systems there. he said in his tweet it was a very close loss. erin, as we were in the rose garden, the first time, you're right, we've seen the president in over a week where he's actually spoken directly to us beyond when he went to arlington cemetery earlier this week, he came close to acknowledging there will not be a trump administration going forward, because he kept repeatedly talking about the vaccine, saying this administration will not lock down again, this administration, this administration, he kept repeating it. then he said, the next administration, he said, whatever it is, time will tell.
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he came very close to acknowledging that there will be a new administration, which we have all recognized publicly there will be next year, which of course is the biden administration. and that seems like a pretty small step given that it has been well-determined joe biden won this election. but for the president, it's probably the closest he's come to acknowledging reality and what has happened and that comes as his aides spent the day denying it and saying there is going to be a second trump administration as not only kayleigh mcenany did as you pointed out but also peter navarro, the secretary of state this week, and several others. of course we're still waiting on the president himself to flatly admit that joe biden has won the election. he did not take our questions today, erin, so that did not happen this afternoon. >> all right, thank you very much, kaitlan. of course that's not the way it should happen, he should come out and give a statement and he should call the winner and he should concede, that's the way these things go. they're hard. they've been done time and time again. every four years by somebody for the entire history of this country. out front now, he was nominated by president trump, serves as a
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top election security official and is chairman of the u.s. election assistance commission. thank you for your time, ben. let me start with your background. election law and voting security for decades. so everything happening right now is what you have spent your life's work on. biden now has 306 electoral votes. will anything change in this? >> i can't imagine that. you know, again, we said from the beginning that election night results are always unofficial because election officials, the professionals that run our elections, have work to do and they continue to work through the process. but at this point it's evident, the margins are substantial enough, it's well beyond anything you see in a traditional recount or anything of that nature. >> and we should be clear, as i just played president trump himself saying again and again and again of his own victory, which was 306 electoral votes last time around, how stunning and overpowering and incredible it was. it's accurate on an electoral
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basis and it's accurate now. as i said, ben, you are a trump appointee. and you worked with dhs officials, state and local officials, in the election space, to issue the stunning statement i read at the top of the hour 24 hours ago. you said, quote, the november 3 election was the most secure in american history. and then i had on the guy in charge of counting the votes in georgia and he said they have had the most secure election in the history of georgia and the margins there of course are incredibly tight. what compelled you to come out and say this, to say that this was the most secure election in american history? >> thanks, erin. first and foremost, i would say i don't think the statement is anything that's particularly special. it's the facts about what we've seen in this election. i think it's necessary to put out there because of the amount of misinformation and disinformation we're seeing. the reality is since 2016
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election officials around the country have been working tirelessly to make election more secure, putting in the work to improve cybersecurity, improve how elections are run across the country. and this year, with a pandemic, they put in an amazing amount of work and did an amazing job running this election. and anyone who voted this year, you know, saw that. it was a great election, and that really is the story that we should be telling, not talking about conspiracy theories. >> okay. in the past hour, the president has retweeted two conspiracy theories about dominion, the software company that was involved in several states. one of them, a story claiming millions of votes for him were switched, that they were switched to biden or lost, using dominion. the other saying dominion can be hacked and the votes could have been changed that way. he has taken this company on again and again. i want to say, the georgia official, he said they worked with dominion, that this is false. your job in part is test and
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certify technology, right? so you know about dominion. is there anything to any of this that he just keeps wildly putting out there about dominion? >> you know, again, erin, i think that the president has had the opportunity, his lawyers have had the opportunity to present this type of evidence, these allegations, in a court of law. and we have not seen that. what you've seen in the courts all around the country amount to nothing. again, we see these bold claims, but we've seen zero real evidence about any votes changed. we know that all these states have paper backups or paper ballot trails. there's, again, nothing that we've seen that would cause any real doubt in the integrity of the election. and the people, again, that run our elections, when you have these kind of statements, you know, it really -- it calls into -- it insults them, it calls into question their integrity. the men and women across this
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country and the nearly 9,000 jurisdictions across this country who run our elections are public servants and they care more about the integrity and accuracy of elections than anyone else. and if there was anything to this, they would want to get to the bottom of it. but we hear rhetoric and we don't see any facts. >> lots of rhetoric and it does not support the reality of the situation. ben, thank you very much. >> thank you. i want to go now to our chief political analyst gloria borger and host of "smerconish," michael smerconish. you just heard ben, a trum trump-appointed elections official, making it clear this is an election we should be celebrating because it is the most secure in american history. the dhs says what the president is spewing here is nonsense, it's backed up with absolutely no facts. the president, though, today when he came out and spoke for the first time, he sort of stumbled, stopped short of saying he won. did you hear any kind of a shift here?
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>> only the bauble that you heard and have already noted. i think it makes logical sense that despite all of the protestations by the president about mail-in voting, it actually limits human factors, when you have fewer people going to the polls and fewer human interactions, i think one of the takeaways from this election is that we're better served as a society and as an electorate when more people are voting by mail. erin, i would just add that there's this tendency to look at the president and think there's a strategy, there's a plan, what is it, let's read the tea leaves, maybe we can figure out it out. i'm coming to the conclusion that it's all rather seat of the pants, that he's reactionary, that there isn't a plan of any discernible magnitude. maybe that press conference today in the rose garden where he's able to give good news about the vaccination process will salve his wounds. but i did detect, as you noted, there was a subtle change in his
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demeanor and disposition. >> gloria, you know he loves to spar with the press, he loves to have fights. he didn't take. he didn't take questions. he read a statement on vaccines. he looked down to read it. he looked different. he did, right? >> he did look different. you have to wonder why was he having this press conference in the first place. and i think it's because he's been watching cable news nonstop and understands that there's a covid spike throughout this entire country, and that he hasn't said a word about it, and somebody must have told him that, you've got to go do it. what was different to me, you know, we heard the same lines, you know, that there's a spike, we have more reported cases because we do more testing. we know that's not true. and he went through his usual spiel on that. what was interesting to me is he didn't dominate the press conference the way he normally does. he stepped aside and let the experts speak.
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normally he would speak and dominate the experts when he was running for reelection. now, he looked more wounded and subdued, and he did step aside. >> right, right. then he didn't want to jump back in and take questions. >> exactly. >> which ordinarily someone will direct a question to an expert and he jumps in. didn't happen. michael, i want to play more of this exchange between white house press secretary kayleigh mcenany and stuart varney on fox business news. >> it would look pretty bad if he did not attend the inauguration, it would look like sour grapes, wouldn't it? >> i -- i think the president will attend his own inauguration. he would have to be there, in fact. >> stuart i think made the point very clear there, the absurdity of that statement, michael. but yet what she said is sort of reminiscent of secretary of state mike pompeo the other day, right, when he said there would be a smooth transition to a
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second trump administration. how much damage does it do to have people of authority continue to act like such sycophants? >> well, i worry that it keeps the hopes up of half the country or 71 million americans. the good news is that regardless of whatever the hyperbole might be, whatever the statements might be, there is a process. and the process is chugging along and being followed. it's tabulation. it's certification. it will then be the electoral college. and then it will be in the hands of the congress. and given the margins that exist in those pivotal states, there's just no opportunity here of seating of an alternate set of electors, none of that could possibly pan out, given the facts at present. >> and given the courts, and we're seeing it again and again, six in pennsylvania, michigan today, arizona they even dropped their own case. thank you both very much. two crucial runoffs will decide the senate. and it's now getting nasty and
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personal. >> raphael warnock. a radical's radical. >> when people have no vision, they revert to division. plus breaking news, the u.s. now hitting a record number of new covid hospitalizations. so what's the president's plan to slow the spread? because it is up to him. he's in office for two more months. and former president obama revealing new details about the night trump won. >> i stayed up until 2:30 in the morning and i then called donald trump to congratulate him. >> announcer: erin burnett out front brought to you by mazda.
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celebrate less risk. added cardio protection. talk to your doctor about adding protection with vascepa. new tonight, joe biden's projected victory in georgia marks the first time a democrat has won that state since 1992. and with president trump, the projected winner in north carolina, the electoral college total sits at 306 for biden, 232 for trump. it is a decisive win for biden, by flipping five states trump won four years ago. for all four years, all four years, every single day of your life you have gone through these numbers. so we've got a full map now, harry, with a projected winner in every state. so you're looking at the real situation. what is your big takeaway?
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>> my first takeaway is that 306 for joe biden looks awfully similar, as you said earlier, to that 306 that president trump got back in 2016. so it's a decisive win. the other thing when we look at those five states that flipped, there was that question whether joe biden would go through the upper midwest with pennsylvania, michigan, and wisconsin or would he try and do something along the sun belt. the answer apparently is both. he flipped georgia, which hasn't gone democratic since 1992. and he flipped arizona, which hasn't gone democratic since 1996. so to me it's just very clear win for the former vice president, and soon to be president. >> right. certainly, as you heard, harry, what president trump said when he had a 306 total of how decisive and overwhelming it is. it is, and now in favor of joe biden. so the thing is, harry, this election felt close. and we all knew that after a week or so it may or may not feel close, but it did, because it took so long to call and you're watching 50 votes and 500
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votes and the margin going like this in arizona. but historically speaking, what matters is when all the numbers come in, and in that context, how decisive is this win? >> i think it's fairly decisive. for a challenger to beat an incumbent is very rare. and to get the number of electoral votes that joe biden got was very rare. if you look at all the elections since 1920 and you look at the electoral college, what do you see? joe biden's performance is one of the best. it's i believe the fourth of the last 17. so that's very clear. you look at the popular vote and you see that joe biden is getting 51, 52%, perhaps when everything is said and done. that's the highest vote share for a challenger to an incumbent since 1932, since fdr. so, you know, you just look at this, you look at the electoral college and the popular vote. and it's just very clear that joe biden has done something as a challenger that very few challengers have been able to do. whether it's the electoral
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college or the popular vote. >> i think it's important you put that in context. around the world, there's confusion, because we have a dual party system split down the middle. that you can take away with people saying 51%, is that decisive? yes. and i think that context you just put around it is so important to telling that story, harry. so when it comes to projections, cnn has projected arizona for biden, as you mentioned. earlier today, republican incumbent senator martha mcsally conceded to the victor, mark kelly, the astronaut. kelly leading that race by nearly 80,000 votes. it's one of two seats democrats were able to flip. >> that's right. and this is so interesting to me. you talk about how the math has been shifting. mark kelly gives the democrats control of both of those senate seats in arizona. and that is the first time that democrats have controlled both of those senate seats in arizona since 1950. that election, when it was
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earnest farland and carl hayden, that's how far back you have to go. that gives the democrats a real shot at getting senate control. if they win those two senate runoffs down in georgia, that will be taking place in january, they do in fact get to 50 feets. and with kamala harris breaking the tie, they get the majority. so those two senate races in georgia, a big deal. >> a huge deal. not since 1950, you have those seats in arizona by a democrat. i wonder if it had been more different if president trump had been more may jous gracious to n family. the biden campaign saying they will pour resources into georgia for those two senate seats. the republican national committee will send more than 600 staffers into state.
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the secretary of state says if you move here just for the purpose of voting here, you could be going to jail for ten years. this is going to be the most brutal campaign ever possibly. and it does determine the balance of power in washington. kyung lah is on the ground "outfront" in atlanta. >> this is it. i win, she wins, she wins, i win. >> reporter: the two republican senators from georgia are defending their jobs, hoping to secure their futures and control of the u.s. senate. >> make no mistake, we are the firewall, not just for the u.s. senate, but the future of our country. >> reporter: underscoring the national scale of this fight -- >> great to be here. >> reporter: for the senator rick scott. >> you saw what chuck schumer said, right? first, we're going to take georgia and then change the country. not in georgia. not today. >> reporter: the political world has turned to georgia. so has much of its money.
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total ad spending and reservations from all four campaigns and outside groups already tops $55 million through the end of december. of that, about $47 million is from the republican side. democrats behind early as they try to flip the senate seats blue. >> vote purdue to stop them. >> reporter: david purdue's first ads focus on keeping the senate majority. >> you heard him, chuck schumer is trying to use dwa to take the majority and radically change america. >> reporter: and kellyanne conway's ->>reporter: and kelly loeffler's ads echo that. warnock is defending himself in his ads -- >> when people have no vision, they revert to division. she knows she is misrepresenting who i am and what i represent. so i'm going to stay focused on
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georgia families. >> reporter: by one area of common ground in this campaign, how high the stakes are. >> joe and kamala, they will not be able to govern. they will not be able to lead us. they will not be able to contain this virus and rebuild this economy unless we win these two u.s. senate races here in georgia. >> reporter: so you saw rick scott in the state today. earlier in the week it was marco rubio. and next week vice president mike pence is expected to land here in georgia. on the democrat side, erin, we are anticipating that andrew yang would be here in the coming days. so some familiar faces here in the state very soon. >> it is going to be a packed state. thank you very much, kyung lah. next, new cases of coronavirus hitting a record tonight. and yet the president is putting millions of lives at risk by trying to settle political scores on a vaccine.
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breaking news. another record day of coronavirus cases. more than 160,000 new cases tonight. as the u.s. breaks the record, president trump is vowing to keep the country open. >> this administration will not go to a lockdown. it won't be a necessity. lockdowns cost lives, and they cost a lot of problems to cure. cannot be -- you've got to remember, cannot be worse than the problem itself, and i've said it many times. >> meantime, an outbreak among secret service officers. they were tasked with protecting president trump during his campaign rallies, now all off the job. nick watt is "outfront." >> reporter: open schools in new york city were a sign of great
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progress. those doors might close again. as early as monday. as positivity rates rise towards 3%. >> and we are making preparations as a result in case that number does exceed 3%, and in the event that we do have to temporarily close our schools. >> reporter: hell is back on the horizon, when there could be hope. >> we can turn this around. >> reporter: but turning this around will require discipline. and right now, covid fatigue is winning. >> it's understandable. i don't want to be critical of that, but we want to plead with them to understand the dynamics of this outbreak. if you do that, we'll continue to soar. >> reporter: 100,000 plus new cases every day. ten days straight. thursday topped 150,000. a new record. in utah, lindsey wooten lost her mom and grandfather to covid-19. >> he said, i'm not doing good.
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she said dad, i'm not either. and she said, i'm dying. she said dad, i am, too. and he said, then i'll look for you in heaven. >> reporter: look at south dakota, a staggering 56% of tests are now coming back positive. analysts say that's rampant spread. but sioux falls city council voted on a mask mandate and -- >> my official vote on this is a no. and that item fails 5-4. >> reporter: a vote against signs, and masks are oppressive, a newly minted member of gop printed today. my body, my choice. in missouri, doctors now begging for a statewide mask mandate. >> the real peak of this pandemic has yet to come. >> reporter: and they want to plan for when beds run out. >> our health care heroes have fought valiantly, day after day.
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but we have no reserves. >> reporter: this virus might soon force some very tough decisions. illinois, just crushed its daily new case record. >> if things don't take a turn in the coming days, we'll quickly reach the point when some form of a mandatory stay at home order is all that will be left. >> reporter: now, breaking news out of nevada. the governor has tested positive for covid-19, feels fine. he's waiting for a second test, just to be sure, i'm here in california. the governor is expressing some regret after the san francisco chronicle reported that he attended a birthday party at a fancy restaurant that broke the state's own covid guidelines. the dwofr ngovernor said, we sh have modeled better behavior. erin? >> thank you very much, nick. "outfront" now, dr. jonathan reiner, who advised the white
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house medical steam under president george bush. so dr. reiner, president trump made a point to say he will not lock down the country, that he believes we'll see cases go down rapidly. what is your response? >> it won't go down rapidly until we do something to make them go down rapidly. so if you look at the case curve, it's vertical. we had 170,000 new cases today. that's exactly double the number of cases that we had on election day. so we've doubled the number of daily cases in ten days. the only way to make that stop is to do something different. we need to mask up the entire country now. we may need to do selective closures in places where hospitals start to become really overrun with patients. but for now, the move should be national masks mandate. the president should be on the phone with every governor
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tonight doing that. it will not go down unless we do something. the vice president, i should say the outgoing vice president, said today that americans can be comforted that help is on the way. help is not on the way. a vaccine will take a couple of months to really make an impact. if you're having a heart attack and you call 911 and i tell you the ambulance is coming two months from now, that should offer no comfort. what people need is a mask mandate and now. >> with the projection modeling that has underestimated deaths so far is projecting an almost doubling of deaths in three months, and there's nothing that comes in, this that time frame that would change that, except for what you're talking about. so the newly elected congresswoman margery green put out a tweet that reads, i told my freshman class that masks are
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oppressive. in georgia, we work out, shop, go to restaurants, go to work and school without masks. my body, my choice. she's not alone in that kind of sentiment. that is a big part of the problem here. so what do you do about it? >> we need to talk to people on really the grass roots level. there's been a fine line between a libertarian ethic and selfishness. but when your breath leaves your mouth and it becomes air, to paraphrase a beautiful become, it is no longer your choice to spew virus into my face. and to hear this nonsense, this ignorant nonsense coming from a new member of congress is really unbecoming of a legislator or really any american. americans are not selfish people. but they need to be spoken to and educated by our leaders and
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they've been very poorly served. >> people are smart and can handle the truth here. they could handle the small sacrifice required. chris christie said that. it just hasn't been asked. they've been told that the right thing to do is to refuse it. thank you very much. i appreciate your time, doctor. next, stop the steal. it's a movement gaining traction across the internet. so who is really behind it? it is not grassroots. wait till you hear. drew given reports. and former president obama talks about the night that president trump won the election. hear what then happened. here's to one more, the lexus december to remember sales event. lease the 2021 rx 350 for $419 a month for 36 months and we'll make your first month's payment. experience amazing at your lexus dealer. now roomba vacuums exactly where you need it. alexa, tell roomba to vacuum in front of the couch. and offers personalized cleaning suggestions
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new tonight, cities across the country are preparing for protests, being pushed by stop the steal. the group embracing president trump's theory that the election has been stolen from him. more than 50 pro trump rallies planned tomorrow. at least one in each state and washington, d.c. trump says he may attend that protest, tweeting, i may even try to stop by and say hello. dr drew griffin is "outfront." >> reporter: it's an internet battle cry, stop the steal has
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swept across facebook pages and twitter like an out of control virus. the claims that democrats stole the 2020 presidential election from president trump are all false, but the truth means little to people inundated with lies. >> i believe that they tried to steal the election. >> reporter: stop the steal may appear as a grassroots uprising, but it started more than four years ago. the brainchild of a political dirty trick artist and convicted liar, who has pushed disinformation schemes for years, roger stone. >> stop the steal is posting much of this peerl. there is insurmountable, compelling evidence of fraud. >> stop the steal is a coordinated effort that has been revived twice by roger stone and allied political operatives in an attempt to gaslight the entire integrity of our voting
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and election process. >> reporter: ben decker says far from a grassroots campaign, stop the steal is a business. in 2016, roger stone's pac launched a website, asking for $10,000 donations, purportedly back then to uncover evidence of vote fraud against donald trump. he said the group was a nonprofit, created to ensure the integrity of the vote. stop the steal reemerge briefly in 2018. then in the run you haup to 202 rebooted by a group of people orbitting roger stone, including ali alexander, a roger stone wannabe. >> i just got a message from roger stone. >> reporter: he began hash tagging stop the steal weeks before the election. amy cramer, a tea party activist who in 2016, formed the group women vote trump with roger stone's ex-wife.
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cramer was behind a stop the steal facebook group, along with two people who worked on steve bannon's discredited we build the wall fund. it was taken down by facebook. also shut down, a cluster of pages affiliated with bannon that coordinated posts, according to facebook, using inauthentic behavior tactics to boost how many people saw their content. in all, the pages had 2.5 million followers before they were shuttered. >> stop the steal is a highly coordinated, partisan, political operation. >> reporter: this week, stone took his message to the most notorious conspiracy theorist of all, alex jones. >> a hoax is being perpetrated on the american people. >> reporter: on twitter, researchers at clemson university saw the #stopthesteal mentioned in nearly 2 million tweets, the posts filled with false evidence of widespread
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voter fraud, quickly caught the attention of disinformation researchers. >> it only took a day and a half before facebook took the group down. but by then, it was already too late. >> reporter: copy cat the false information spread by the few is only multiplying. the followers have stopped the steal don't seem to mind they're being lied to or there is a plan to make the way they think. this movement is going to get a big test this weekend. we are told thousands of stop the steal followers will show up in that rally if washington, d.c. we shall see. >> erin. >> thank you very much. i want to go now to jim hiemz. congressman, let me talk about what drew is reporting tomorrow. you will have these rallies, these protests in all 50 states.
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one in washington, the president said he may stop by. highly coordinated. a lot of people attending them have no idea about that. but, they are the victims of this information. there is going to be a lot of people and protests. do you have any concerns? >> not really, erin. what we have seen since the election has been under-whelming from rudy giuliani's press and now to 14 cases in court that had been tossed out of the pathetic quality of the president's behavior. i suspect it is going to be a lot less than meets the eye. what's sad here is this is being done for one big reason, it is a huge grif. look at the president's fund raising thing, not anybody inside the white house believes
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that he got a chance to reverse the results. it is about paying the campaign debt. this is not new to our history. what's sad is it is not being stoked by donald trump. it is reenforced by my colleagues. when kevin mccarthy, the house republican leader says publicly something he knows not to be true that the election is stolen. a bunch of protests may occur this week. >> can i ask you why you think so many of your colleagues are staying silent? do they think the president can be useful to them. why is it who i am sure your friends with having meaningful conversations with, people of great substance are allowing someone to come out and say these false things and to encourage americans to believe that our democracy is broken and
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that they lost an election that was stolen from them. >> i know this because i have talked with republicans. they know this is one big city carnival. individually they got no incentives to make that point. look, president trump though he gotten beaten soundly in the election, he got 70 million plus votes. he's a potent force. if one republican member of congress or republican senator stands up and says what we all know to be true that donald trump lost this. my republican friends would say it is going to be harder for me when i say what's obvious or stand up to one of the biggest basic corner stones of our democracy which is that we do peaceful transition of power.
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in the old world, some of my republican colleagues would have chosen to take that risk. now they are a member of a cult personality. >> i find it bizarre, getting through 270 electoral vote is a win. i am sort of that's what i am dumbfou dumbfounded. whatever your politics are, you got to accept the facts. >> a senior official told us that jeanna haskell was ousted out of a meeting white house. this comes as you see several members and the defense department chief fired and defense of farmland is kicked out. do you believe he'll fire her? >> i don't know. i don't know but i can tell you how serious this is. when you go to a war with the country, the thing you dream of
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doing is decapitating the national leadership of that country. the president is decapitating the leadership of the united states and our enemies and our opponents abroad are noticing. >> congressman himes, i appreciate your time. >> thank you, erin. >> next, former president obama on the night trump won the white house. ever wonder why your just washed laundry doesn't smell... just washed. that's because there's hidden sweat and body soils that cause odors on your clothes. but there's a solution for those secret stinks:
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tonight former barack obama revealing new details in an interview with gayle king on cbs. they talked about the night donald trump won the 2016
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election and what is at stake now as trump refused to concede this election. >> when donald trump won, i stayed up until 2:30 in the morning and i then called donald trump to congratulate him. his margin of victory over hillary clinton was greater than joe biden's margin over him. but if you listen to some of the talk radio if trump voters are listening to or fox news and getting these tweets, those allegations are presented as facts. so you got millions of people who think oh yeah they must be cheating because the president says so. >> what is at stake here? >> joe biden will be the next president of the united states and kamala harris will be the next vice president. >> he's getting support from mbmba members of the republican party who are not challenging him. they did not think there is fraud going on because they did
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not say anything. there is damage to this. the peaceful transfer of power, the notion that any of us who obtained an elected office whether it is a president, are servant of the people. it is a tremporary job. we are not above the law. that's the essence of our democracy. >> thank you for joining us, andreas lubitz anderson starts now. >> good evening, the out going of the president of the united states still refused to accept that -- you know what -- it does not matter. i was about to start off telling you about you know who and what outrage he's done and not accepting the results and blah blah blah and claiming fraud here. it does not matter. he's