good evening. tonight, with the pandemic raging and his last electoral chances dead or dying, the outgoing president of the united states is still refusing to accept -- you know what? it doesn't matter. i was about to start off tonight, telling you about you

know who and what outrage he's done today. not accepting the results. blah, blah, blah. claiming fraud here. it doesn't matter. it's done. he is done. he is the past. joe biden, for better or worse, is the president of the future. he is the president-elect. so let's start, tonight, by talking about him. today, cnn and other news outlets projected that, when the recount is over, president-elect biden will be the winner in georgia, giving him 306 electoral votes. the exact same number as the current person in the white house got in 2016, which he called a landslide, back then. no sign the hand recount that got started today in georgia will alter the count when it wraps up. despite georgia's secretary of state now under covid quarantine. in arizona, the trump campaign was forced to drop a legal challenge when president-elect biden's lead became insurmountable. in michigan, a judge debunked several allegations of fraud by poll watchers there. in pennsylvania, the law firm

attempting to block president-elect biden's win there withdrew from the case. on top of that, "the washington post" is reporting that federal prosecutors, federal prosecutors, specifically, assigned by the justice department to monitor election malfeasance, have written a letter to their boss, attorney general barr, telling him they have found no evidence of irregularities. that's what happened today. that is what matters. now, of course, look. president trump is still president and his spokespeople are still out there trying to keep their boss from turning on them. but, there's no point in getting all riled up about it. it doesn't matter. take a look at this. but, it doesn't matter. >> are you prepared to say that the president will -- president trump -- will definitely attend the inauguration? >> i think the president will attend his own inauguration. he would have to be there, in fact. >> you really think you can turn this around? >> absolutely. >> what she says absolutely

doesn't matter. it just doesn't. i mean, we could go into all the reason the current occupant of the white house isn't conceding. he doesn't want to be out of the spotlight. he doesn't want to admit defeat. it's not how he was raised by his stern father. please. it doesn't matter. it just doesn't matter. there is a lot that does, still, matter, however. and i want to talk about that. tonight, the country recorded more new coronavirus infections than any other day, ever. there are people right now in crowded icus, all across the country. some icus don't have any more beds. there's people in icus right now, tonight, fighting for their -- their lives. fighting for each painful breath they can get. people who should not be there, because we should have worn masks, more. all of us, myself included. we should have social distanced more. we should have had leaders who took this seriously, in the white house. this is what matters now. there's a kid at home, right

now, scared to death because his dad is in the hospital and he doesn't know if he will ever get to see him again. do you know what that feels like? we didn't do enough. take a look at this graph. that's where we are right now. we are in a line heading straight up, nearly. nearly, straight up. i cannot spend another second, today, concerned about what a grown man, who lost, fair and square, isn't ready to accept. i'm not ready to accept that there could be 400,000 dead americans, by the 1st of february. doesn't matter that i can't accept it. doesn't matter what i think. what i can't accept. that -- that's the reality, if we don't do better. more than 160,000 new cases, today. 1,306 reported fatalities.

1,306 human beings, our fellow countrymen and women, dead. more will die in this hour and in the next hours to come. illinois, today, hit another record. more than 15,000 new cases, and a record number of people in the hospital. record hospitalization numbers for the country as well. in northwestern wisconsin, the mayo clinic says its hospitals are full, not just the icus. all beds, full. the coo of another area hospital chain had this grim update. >> it's well above what we can tolerate right now and still save lives. and i don't know why it's continuing to get worse. from a health care standpoint, you know, we're tapped out. our beds are getting full, every day. nurses are exhausted, physicians are exhausted, we're exhausted. >> president spoke about covid today in the rose garden. and, thank goodness, at least he finally said something about it. he praised the new vaccine that we've been talking about all week. and by all indications, it is good news.

as for what hospitals and medical professionals and grieving families are up against? president had little to say, not that it matters. seems most people stopped looking to him for comfort or empathy a long, long time ago. of course, he lied about testing, praised his leadership, blah, blah, blah. i'm not going to go into the details of his lies. they don't matter, anymore. he's leaving. he's the past. of course, he used the opportunity to threaten all the sit zens citizens of new york withholding the vaccine. that would matter if he actually did that. he barely even mentioned the current surge, and said nothing about how to address it. just a few weeks ago, not that it matters, this is precisely what he said joe biden would be doing, by now. >> that's all i hear about now. it's all i hear. turn on television. covid, covid, covid, covid, covid, covid. a plane goes down. 500 people dead. they don't talk about it. covid, covid, covid, covid. by the way, on november 4th, you won't hear about it, anymore.

>> well, you will hear about it because you must hear about it. while i sit here tonight, not even thinking about how many breaths i am taking, there are thousands and thousands of people gasping for breath. and we must hear them. we must do what we can to help them. keeping them honest, this thing the president said no one would be talking about anymore, is the biden team's stated first priority. now, can they deliver? i don't know. and if they lie and they twist the truth and make mistakes like this past administration, we will report as diligently and aggressively about that as we have about this president's failures and lies. but, at least the president-elect is talking about covid and has been, all along. that matters. wearing a mask matters. the president is doing everything he can to sabotage their efforts, of course. and sadly, that is one thing the president is doing that really does matter right now. more, now, from our chief white house correspondent, jim acosta. so, jim, this was the first time

we have actually even seen president trump in over a week. first time i have seen him talk about covid, in a while. his loss was further solidified today. the legal battles are falling apart. what's -- when -- when is the inevitable going to happen? >> well, he was pretending in this rose garden press conference as if there is some way for him to get back into the white house, come january 20th. that's not going to happen. he was even talking, at some point, about how he's not going to let this country go into a lockdown. but then, proceeded to talk about whatever the next administration will do. almost catching himself, acknowledging that joe biden will be taking the keys to the oval office on january 20th. i will tell you, anderson, i talked to a white house adviser earlier today who said, listen. the president is unlikely to ever concede this race, but will likely exit the stage on january 20th, as expected. that is the plan, at this point, according to this adviser. and this adviser went on to compare the president to the 1991 detroit pistons, who famously refused to shake hands

with the chicago bulls, who beat them in -- in the playoffs that year, went on to win the nba championship. this adviser said the president just enjoys being the bad boy, and he is going to continue to do that. but -- but putting that to the side, anderson. what was sad about what we saw in the rose garden today. the president didn't take questions. he almost seemed to be out there to soothe his damaged ego. but he was talking about the situation in new york. he was talking about the pandemic, as if his policies are going to have some sort of effect on all of this after january 20th when, of course, that's just not the case. he's been tweeting this evening talking about how he's won this state and that state. we have to pay attention to those tweets now, anderson, because he is the president. but after january 20th, he just goes back to being another crackpot on the internet. >> jim acosta, appreciate it. at the white house tonight. as we mentioned, president singled out new york and new york's governor. you can decide, for yourself, what to make of it. >> as soon as april, the vaccine

will be available to the entire general population, with the exception of places like new york state, where, for political reasons, the governor decided to say, and, you know, i don't think it's good politically. i think it's very bad, from a health standpoint. but he wants to take his time with the vaccine. he doesn't trust where the vaccine's coming from. he's had some very bad editorials, recently, about this -- this statement and what's happened with respect to nursing homes and his handling of nursing homes. and i hope he doesn't handle this as badly as he's handled the nursing homes. but we're ready to provide it, as soon as they let us know that they'll actually use it. >> governor andrew cuomo joins us now. he is also author of "american crisis, leadership lessons from the covid pandemic." the idea of holding back a vaccine from the citizens of new

york. your thoughts? >> yeah. good to be with you, anderson. i think your opening point is very powerful. and frames the entire conversation. what the president said doesn't matter. it's not true, as usual. what he's going to do in april, he's not going to be here in april. that i said i wouldn't distribute the vaccine. it's not true. but it doesn't matter. there are editorials. it's not true but it doesn't matter. he is talking about his friend rupert murdock. what does matter? what does matter is this. there's going to be a vaccine. good news with pfizer and some other drug companies. and that's -- that is good news. and then, the next step is we're going to have to distribute that vaccine quickly and fairly. and americans are going to have to trust that vaccine to take it. that matters. right now, about half of the

people in this country, anderson, say they don't trust the vaccine. that's the kieser poll, the pew poll, cnn poll, network poll. all, say the same thing. that they fear that trump politicized the approval process for the vaccine. and, therefore, they don't trust it. and no one is going to put a needle in their arm, if they don't trust the vaccine. what new york has done and other states around the country is we've said we'll put together our own panel to review the fda's approval process. our panel is head by a nobel prize laureate. and that will, then, give people the comfort to know that they should take this vaccine. it won't take any more time. we'll do it simultaneous. we'll do it concurrent. but, to the extent there is skepticism about trump and distru distrust of trump. and a belief that trump politicized the public-health

process, which he did. that he politicized the nih and the cdc and the fda, which he did. and that spills over to the vaccine. these separate panels that states will have, will give those states confidence. new york is one of those states. there are about seven. >> and when you talk about this -- that's what i was going to say -- when you talk about this panel, this isn't something that you have to wait until the v vaccine starts to be distributed. and then, you're going to, you know, sit around and think about it, you know, make calls about it. this is something that can happen, at the same time, as the cdc and others are reviewing this. >> yeah, of course. of course. the president doesn't tell the truth. but you're right. it doesn't matter anymore. what does matter is his lying has hurt the nation, in many ways. and his lying has hurt the nation, in that, now, half the americans don't trust the vaccine. and if they don't trust it,

they're not going to take it. so, my challenge is, and other governors, how do you restore that trust? and we came up with these state panels. all, top pros. who will review what fda did and the protocols. and then, i can say to the people of my state it's safe. take it. because distributing 330 million vaccines is going to be the most ambitious undertaking since this has started. >> let me ask you about that because i was talking to sanjay about it and i hadn't realized. i guess this pfizer vaccine, it's got to be stored in really, really cold temperatures. not just like a normal refrigerator. i don't know the exact, you know, fahrenheit. but it's -- it's incredibly cold, cold. and not, you know, there is a lot of places that don't have that kind of refrigeration. how is that going to be done in new york state? do -- do we know, yet? >> we don't know, yet. and that's why, when you talk

about what we should really be focused on. look. let's focus on not making the same mistake, twice. right? this federal government was totally unprepared for covid. they were incompetent in their response. they talked about doing testing when we first started, if you remember. they couldn't figure out how to get nasal swabs. eight months. all the covid testing we've done. we've done 120 million, nationwide. that's with every state and all this noise for eight months. 120 million covid tests. we have to do 330 million vaccines. how long is that going to take? stored at deep cold and who has that equipment? and how do we get those vaccines to black and brown communities and poorer communities? i mean, there are a lot of questions here that haven't been answered. and that don't even occur to this federal government. i do believe joe biden is going

to be ready for the challenge. as ready as anyone can be. i've worked with him for many years. i know his team. but, what we're trying to solve now is this skepticism by the mane people who say they don't trust the vaccine, which is going to be a major problem. because, on top of all the logistics, if you don't have people willing to take it, that's going to be a real challenge. >> let's talk about new york state and -- and new york city. and how -- what -- what you're facing now. what you think the next couple of weeks and months look like. because, obviously, this is, you know, in every state, it's different. but the -- the trend is -- is alarming. you've already made some moves on bars and restaurants in terms of the hours that they can stay open. you know, gyms right now, new york, they're still open. they're -- i think they're -- they're allowed 30% capacity, i think. i go to a gym. there's hardly anyone there. do you see -- i mean, is -- is

the next step, you know, shutting down places? or do you see that as, if that happened, would that be a statewide thing? would that be just, you know, as they call, hot spots? >> nobody really knows. but, look. what we've done in new york has been working, right? and we follow the science and we follow the data. and remember, we had the highest infection rate in the united states of america. and now, we're one of the lowest. our problem is there is a surge all around us, right? it's hightide on the covid sea, internationally, nationally. the states around new york all have higher infection rates. you are in the holiday season. people are traveling. you say don't have groups. it's thanksgiving. it's going to be christmas. it's going to be hanukkah. it's winter. i think you're going to see the numbers continue to go up. now, new york is at a low level. but, you're seeing the numbers go up and we are adding

restrictions, as those numbers go up. we're urging diligence. yes, there's a vaccine but it's not tomorrow. president trump is talking about april. you can't sustain an increase through april. if people think the vaccine is going to be the answer, we can't make it. that's a light at the end of the tunnel but it's a long tunnel. will -- we tend to focus -- we do so many tests in new york that we tend to focus on small areas. neighborhood levels. what we call micro clusters. and as soon as we see a jump in the number, we stamp it out. that's what we call those hot spots. we do -- this -- today, 200,000 tests. more tests than any state in the country. and once we see a flare-up, we jump on it. but i think, anderson, you're going to see a steady increase through the holiday season, at least. and that's scary. >> yeah. governor cuomo, i appreciate your time tonight.

thank you. >> thank you. up next. president-elect biden's victory in georgia and the fight over two senate seats there that could shape the next two years, at least of his presidency. mayor of atlanta joins us. later, someone who's seen how the president operates, up close. anthony scaramucci. what he thinks of what lies ahead. tonight, on "360." ♪ ♪ since pioneering the suv in 1935, the chevy suburban has carried many things. nothing more important than family. introducing the most versatile and advanced chevy suburban and tahoe ever. or psoriatic arthritis, little things can become your big moment. that's why there's otezla. otezla is not an injection or a cream.

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the election. that is clear. plebt bid president-elect biden taking georgia, today. he now has 306 electoral votes. when president trump had that, he called it a landslide and that is exactly the number president trump got four years ago. >> we had a tremendous, landslide electoral college victory, like people haven't seen in a long time. not only did we win the election, we had an electoral-college landslide. okay? it was a landslide. >> and then, it got bigger and bigger and wilder and wilder. and then, we won by a lot. don't forget, it was 306 to 223. that's a lot. >> we had a massive, landslide victory, as you know, in the electoral college. >> this was an excuse for the democrats, who lost an election, who actually got their ass kicked, 306-223. that's a pretty good shellacking. >> doesn't matter. he's the past. he lost.

john king joins us. he's back at the magic wall. john, walk us through the loss. >> i'll walk you through the loss or the biden win, anderson. people are saying it's pretty big, the biden win. let me show you. we finally projected georgia today. a state no democrat had won since bill clinton in 1992. it is now for joe biden and narrowly, 14,000. we are confident this will stay in biden's column. not since 1992. you mentioned arizona. not since 1996 had a democrat carried arizona. again, they are about done with the vote count. we are confident in this projection as well. the president did gain something today. finally, projected north carolina. he has a lead there. anderson, when you think about the biden victory now that the map is complete, joe biden said he would win back the blue wall. he did. pennsylvania, michigan, and wisconsin. and what the democrats hope for the future is the map

changing-win there. again, 1992 and 1996. if you go back in time, this is what the president called a landslide. overwhelming landslide. lopsided landslide. well, biden's win was not only impressive in that he delivered up here, map changing, took those two back. as you noted, electoral college win. you might say there is some karma in that. 306-232. so if the president thinks it was a big landslide then, i guess we'd have to say it's a big landslide now. >> and where does the popular vote stand tonight? >> it's interesting when you look at the popular vote. let me clear this out for you. this is really fascinating to think about in this election because joe biden now has 78 million votes. more than 78 million votes. that is more votes than any candidate for president in american history. that's about 12.2 million more votes than hillary clinton received four years ago. so biden, without a doubt, can say he has a mandate. but, here's the challenge going forward. as you mentioned, the president who has yet to accept the

reality. one of the things we know he will do when he leaves, remember this, because he has the second-highest vote total in american history. he increased his vote total from four years ago. so, even as joe biden can claim that's more than anybody ever, you know the president is going to use that to say i'm not going anywhere, even when he is out of the white house, anderson. >> yeah. john king. john king, thanks very much. appreciate it. let's talk about what is going on in georgia. we're joined by the mayor of atlanta, key sisha lance bottom. thanks so much for being with us. extraordinary what we are witnessing in georgia. biden campaign said would reaffirm what was projected today. do you share that confidence? >> i do share that confidence. and thank you you for having me again. and what we know about recounts is recounts often don't favor the loser. sometimes, we see the vote tally go up. and so, with such a wide margin, 14,000 votes, that's a pretty

significant amount. and i -- i trust that that recount will give people the confidence that this election should stand in georgia. we're looking forward to january 5th for the opportunity to elect two senators, two democratic senators, to the senate. >> let's talk about that. runoff elections for the senate haveville ju have really just begun. many see them as, you know, proxy fight for the national race. certainly, all eyes are going to be on georgia. the -- the future of the senate. who holds the power in the senate really hangs in the balance. what is the -- what is your greatest concern about it right now? because, obviously, there is, you know, some republicans feel that the -- the charges of voter fraud will suppress republican turnout. some think it will motivate republican turnout. some think that, you know, the idea of -- of -- you know, what the president's refusing to do is going to motivate democratic

turnout. what do you think is the reality? >> well, it's going to be a turnout game, on both sides. and what we know is that it -- it's going to be extremely important not just to get people back out who voted in -- in the election just a couple weeks ago. but we've got to really excite the entire base to turn out and vote. and this whole notion of there being fraud this year in georgia. other than the first couple of days of early voting, where we saw the glitches with the machines and the long voting lines, we haven't received any credible information that says there was any fraud in this state. and so, it's about people recognizing what this means to joe biden. people in this state turned out to vote for joe biden and kamala harris. they certainly will need the support of the -- of the senate. and the opportunity to have georgia elect two senators, at

once, is not one that i have seen in my lifetime. and usually, our senate races don't even go into a runoff. so, we had a record turnout, with almost 5 million voters this election. and i anticipate that we're going to have a record-high turnout for the runoff in january. >> you think there will be a record-high turnout. i mean, what do you attribute the record-high turnout to in the presidential race? i assume, obviously, passions about for or against president trump played a big role. but just in terms of turnout efforts, voter-registration efforts, what has that been like? i have heard a lot of talk about stacey abrams doing a lot of voter-registration stuff, for a long time. >> yeah. it's been a combination of work across the state and also we have motor voter registration in this state. when you go to get your driver's license or renew or transfer your driver's license, you get

to register to vote, at that time. our state is trending younger. our state is trending more diverse. you have groups, stacey abrams' groups, naacp, the urban league, the fraternities, the sororities. you name it. everybody's been out registering people to vote because what we recognized, very early on, was there was an opportunity to turn georgia blue. many thought it wouldn't be until 2022. every single opportunity i had to tell joe biden and the biden campaign that there was an opportunity here, i know that i took that opportunity to do it. even including when i went through my and i know others did as well. thankfully, the biden/harris campaign listened. we saw them come to georgia toward the end of the campaign. that hasn't happened in a very long time.

in '92, i was 22 years old. it's been a long time. >> looking at the pandemic for a moment. you know, many states' deaths, hospitalizations, are surging. georgia and many places. with governor kemp about how to fight the spread, what measures are you currently considering? >> well, atlanta's technically still in phase two of advisory recommendations on reopening. so, we're still encouraging people to take all precautions. and also, the mask mandate. the lawsuit, the very public fight, that we had with the governor over the mask mandate. i think that's helped us, some, because it's given us an opportunity to educate people on masks. and we were -- we prevailed with that lawsuit. so now, every mayor has an opportunity to mandate masks in their respective communities. and back to your previous question, anderson. i think that was part of the reason we had such a high turnout as well. we were very hard hit with

covid, early on, and that mattered to people. and so, people recognize that elections have consequences and the consequences, in this state, was the election of a governor who made the best decisions on covid. and we've, also, seen that, at the national level. >> mayor keisha lance bottoms, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. >> up next, going to talk with former white house communications director, anthony scaramucci, about what may lay ahead for all of us in the next few weeks. ♪ through the walk of life, walgreens has always been there to help make life easier. and now we're doing the same with medicare. so you can easily find the best, most affordable plan for you. visit walgreens.com/medicare to get started. walgreens. we make medicare easy. visit walgreens.com/medicare to get started. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

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accept reality and concede, as every president before him has. joe biden is the future. donald trump is the past. perspective now from former white house communications director, anthony scaramucci. we obviously know there -- there is no evidence of widespread voter fraud, as the president has been claiming. it's almost comical, at this point, his claims. it's sad because there is an awful lot of people out there who love the president, who believe it. but it's just -- it's not out there. >> well, anderson, it's -- it's not out there. and there's probably more covid cases around the president than there are actually proven, fraudulent votes. and so, somebody should probably tell him that. but, you have this court case the 3rd circuit. justice basically ruled today in pennsylvania against the president. and so, i think that's sort of the firewall. somebody on his legal team is

going to brief him and say there is no circuitry that we can come up with that can overturn this election. and so, i don't -- i don't know what else he's going to do. there's pressure on him now. general kelly just spoke out today. there's pressure on him in the senate. at some point, i think he's going to have to cave. it'll be an upsetting day for him, i'm sure. but, you know, he's got to cave and i think that's coming eminently in the next week or so. for myself, the thing i'm most worried about is the constant coddling of him. i'm not understanding why the gop, at this point, still needs to coddle him. the georgia races just doesn't make enough sense to do this. it's creating too much damage and putting the country in a potential national-security risk. >> isn't it just fear of -- fear of his supporters? and fear of him, you know, launching his, you know, even once he's out of office. you know, whatever network, you know, media network he develops or joins or podcast he has or

radio show he has. you know, kind of launching attacks at gop figures. i mean, which he's more than capable and likely to do. >> that -- that may be true. but as jim acosta said about him becoming another crackpot on the internet or on twitter, i do think this loss has been humiliating for him. and knowing his personality as well as i do, i don't see him parading around this loss. he said, during the campaign, that the vice president was the worst candidate in history. and if i lose to this guy, you may never see me again. and i think that's a real tell. so it's not clear to me that he's going to be parading around this loss. he's one of three american presidents, after the second world war, that lost the presidency. you also have 150,000 -- 140,000 people getting covid a day. the cases are going through the roof around the united states. the death totals are in the 1,200-ish level. we could be going in for more lockdowns and so forth.

so i don't -- i don't necessarily see it the way they see it. moreover, i would say about the 72 million people, as you recall, i grew up in a blue-collar family. i think these people are voting for themselves. the president may be hearing a signal that they're voting for him. but i don't see that. i mean, he has denigrated western leaders, he's praised despots, he lied about the science of the pandemic, he lied about the usage of masks. he destroyed the u.s. economy. and i think, when people frame it the right way, those 72 million people are actually voting for themselves. they are upset with the system. they feel the system is unfair to them. and they need help. and i think the vice president's message is a healing message, and he'll produce the right policies for those people. and when that happens, anderson, their anger's going to dissipate and they're going to look back on the trump era and say, wow. why did we need that level of aggravation in our country? why did we need that man imperilling the world and our children and grandchildren? so, i don't see it that way. i think real leadership in the gop would require them to stop

kowtowing to him and stop being intimidated by him. >> do you think the gop -- i mean, you know, people talk about a reckoning within the gop. doesn't seem like there's going to be one. you know, if -- if the current president is going to threaten to run again in four years and hang that over the gop, i mean, i can imagine, you know, what must ted cruz and marco rubio. you know, are they screaming in their pillows? because, i mean, the idea of that hanging over them for the next four years, preventing them from -- from, you know, exercising their presidential ambitions. does the gop remain the party of trump, moving forward? >> i think that would be a disaster for them because if they remain the party of trump, it's going to be a group of people that are buying catheters and pillows from commercial interruptions on another network. i think that will be an unmitigated disaster. they need to expand the tent of that party. that party needs to be shaped in the beautiful, colorful mosaic of the american people.

and again, it requires real leadership to break away from this type of protectionism, this type of demonization, this nationalism. the people want a leader, i think, that can bring them together and heal. and i think one of the mandates that came out of the 2020 election is they want people to get together, in the middle. so, the partisan rancor and tribalism of trump i think is dead on arrival, on january 21st. and i think if they're afraid of him -- i think if they're afraid of him, then they're not the leaders that we need to ascend to the presidency. these guys that are kowtowing to him right now, how are they going to stand up to somebody like vladimir putin if they can't stand up to donald trump in this disaster that's going on? >> i certainly think you're probably right about most americans are sort of somewhere in the center. and that -- that's generally -- you know, there's a divided government. and do you really believe, though, that clearly president-elect biden has, you know, for all the obvious reasons, reached out. a, i think he really believes it

and that's what he has done in the past. but also, in order to govern, he's reached out to republicans. have they shown any signs, even by not accepting him as president-elect, yet, that they're willing to actually give bipartisanship a chance? >> it's unclear, right now. obviously, senator mcconnell could go in the same direction he did with president obama when he called for a one-term presidency for the obama administration. it's unclear, right now. i would like to think, though, that these guys got very good political instincts. and they see what happened in this election. the electoral results as being something that the nation really wants bipartisanship. and, of course, the republicans have an eye on the congressional midterm elections. and putting a few wins on the board may be good for that party as well. so, i -- i hope they'll do that, anderson, because the country needs that right now. we're in desperate need of a stimulus for lower and middle-income families. obviously, we need help on the infrastructure and equalizing k

through 12 education. making the public-school systems more fair across the nation. so, there's a lot of room there to compromise, for both parties. and i hope they do that. but, listen, if they don't do that, they're going to narrow up. the republicans know that they're becoming a minority party. they see what's going on in arizona and georgia and real leadership would require them to expand the tent, not do what mr. trump did or the president did, which was drill down deeper into the tent. and i hope they do that because i think there's a big opportunity, right now, to make that shift. and entrepreneurs would call it an adapt and pivot. and they've lost the election, they've lost it handily. it was 5-6 million in the popular vote. electoral landslide, according to the president. 306. and so, there you go. >> anthony scaramucci. appreciate your time. thank you. >> just ahead. the coronavirus outbreak that is producing new highs, almost daily, in both cases and hospitalizations. also, according to "the washington post", a massive outbreak among those charged

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service forced to play. he added that every single person in the vehicle during that completely unnecessary presidential driveby just now has to be quarantined for 14 days. they might get sick. they might die for political theater. commanded to put their lives at risk, for theater. this is insanity. joining us, dr. james also on president-elect joe biden's coronavirus advisory board for his transition. dr. phillips, you talked about the danger to secret service agents in that vehicle. and we are seeing more than 100 secret service agents having to quarantine. this obviously was preventable or at least some of that was preventable. >> yes, you would think so. you know, this joyride the president took was completely unnecessary. what we know about the coronavirus and its

transmissibility is it is a factor of distance and time. while there are always the need of secret service to be close, when someone has got a deadly infectious disease, that could be minimized, particularly in the location where he was. in order -- for him to put those officers and those agents at risk by going on a completely unnecessary trip is just a true abedication of his leadership. and a pattern of him using his people as a political end. >> and as a member of the president-elect's covid advisory board, how concerned are you abe t about the position the country will be in january, and how is

informing what you and the advisory board are doing now? >> anderson, we are looking at a couple of really tough months ahead. i think part of the challenge is that unfortunately the current administration have not been cooperating with the transition team by sharing information and plans. this is essentially a national security threat. the way that americans are getting infected and sickened by coronavirus and dying from coronavirus and how the economy is being impacted by the coronavirus. so this is truly a national security threat. i can't imagine another situation if we were in the midst of a war that you would not have hand-off of information and plans to a succeeding president. so i am quite concerned and not to mention that we are coming into the holiday season which could well be themselves super spreader events, pouring gasoline on what is already a raging fire. >> dr. phillips, how concerned are you about folks gathering from all over together for

thanksgiving and the holidays? obviously it is horrible to even talk about with the possibility of families not able to do that or not choosing to do that but it is understandable, what do you think is the risk here? >> i think the risk is great. i think the planets are aligning for something really bad. we've got cold weather where people are going indoors. we've got the holiday season with thanksgiving, hanukkah, and christmas when people want to gather with their family. and you combine that with this unnecessary political environment we're in right now. you add to it flu season and the fatigue that all americans have been feeling from undertaking the precautions since the spring. people want to forego masks and believe they're safe with their family in their bubble. they're going to take off their masks, hug, and share food around the table, things we all wish we could do. i would ask that people try to make sacrifices, try not to go

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it is a basic hygienic measure that should never have become a political symbol. but in addition to that, i do think people need to think carefully about how they're going to celebrate thanksgiving. i've heard people in my own circle say, i trust them. it's not about trust. in fact it's the people who you trust and are closest to you who are most likely to be the source of transmission to you. it's not that they're doing anything wrong, they may not even realize they're infected, but these are the people you let your guard down around and so you're most likely to be exposed in that setting. >> and dr. phillips, with this continued lack of federal government leadership, do you believe that mayors and governors should be instituting stay-at-home orders again? i guess it depends just on the locality and where things are at in that moment. >> i think that the plan is to be as strategic as possible. we don't want widespread shutdowns that lead to economic downturn. i think the biden plan is to be as strategic as possible.

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