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i want to be on the front lines of implementation. a lopsided biden win. and the turn to to the challenges ahead. >> we're ready to get to work addressing the needs of the american people. today that work begins. >> plus angry rallies. the loser stokes claims the election was stolen. >> i guess time will tell. >> i just think it's an barmt. >> and a devastating co-vid surge. cases way up. hospitals under siege. >> i'm terrified. we are entering a very dark phase in this pandemic. >> our house is on fire, and the president has basically locked himself in his bedroom.
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>> welcome to "inside politics". i'm john king in washington. to our viewers, thank you for sharing your sunday. joe biden is america's president-elect. and the sweep of his impressive victory more clear this sunday. georgia and arizona now called, now blue on a 2020 map that represents a clear and convincing call for change. 270 electoral votes mean victory in presidential politics. look, joe biden now claims 306. that matches the number president trump won four years ago. a number he called an overwhelming landslide. but losing and losing big is a fact the president simply refuses to directly acknowledge. he did tweet moments ago he won. we'll dissect that in a minute. we saw the president for a brief moment. there was evidence he shows the math. >> i will not go. this administration will not be going to a lockdown. hopefully the -- whatever
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happens in the future, who knows which administration it will be, i guess time will tell, but i can tell you this administration will not go to a lockdown. >> more common, though? this. tweet after tweet after tweet alleging widespread fraud. no evidence, and the president claiming he will win. the president also praised weekend rallies in washington and across the country thapar rot his lies. there is no steal to stop. you take an oath in court. tweets and conspiracy theories don't cut it and the president's lawyers were turned away time and time again because there was zero evidence of widespread irregularitie irregularities. the noise from trump's team is noise and dramatic. it is important in how it complicates the transition of power and it's important about what it tells us about trump's grip on the political party. but it is still noise. there will be a new president and he'll inherit a deeply
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divided country and a surging coronavirus pandemic that is setting staggering new records, overwhelming hospitals and stirs debates now about new restrictions. >> these are our darkest days as a nation. they are our darkest days as a state. >> this surge is much more intense, widespread, and dangerous. >> people need to change their behavior and get serious about who they spend time with. >> it's not safe to go out. it's not safe to have others over. it's just not safe. and it might not be safe for a while yet. >> with us this sunday to share the reporting and insights on how the president-elect sees the challenges ahead, michael, let's start with what we see from the president of the united states. it's hard to translate trump tweets sometimes. he tweeted he won because the election was rigged. he goes onto say a bunch of other things i'm not going to
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repeat because they're not true. what the president says about alleged fraud is not true. but he used the words he won. is that an acknowledgment biden won or is that trump stirring up more stuff? >> it's the closest we've seen to a kind of nonconcession concession. i've always thought what he would ultimately do is acknowledge the reality in front of him while ranting about the fact that it was stolen from him or that it wasn't valid, or continuing to assail the election process. you know, this looks like the first hint that he said that publicly. and if that continues over the next couple days, i think you could see that as a real kind of break in the dam among the republican allies who could start to acknowledge the reality as well. >> i'm not going to give him credit for that. the math is overwhelming. there's no evidence of fraud. his lawyers are getting kicked out of court.
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if we want to call that progress in trumpland, we can. he won. i want to start with the challenges facing the president-elect. joe biden campaigned on the idea donald trump's incompetent, his team has not managed the coronavirus pandemic. yet, out of the box the biden transition had a misstep when one of the top advisers went on television and said this. >> we could pay for a package right now to cover all of the wages, lost wages for individual workers, for losses to small companies to medium-sized companies, for city, states, county governments. if we did that, we could lock down for four to six weeks. if we did that, we could drive the numbers down. >> one of the co-chairs had to go out on television, this is what we call cleanup. >> yeah. right now the way we should think about this is more like a series of restrictions we dial
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up or down depending on how bad spread is taking place in a specific region. we're not in a place where we're saying shut the whole country down. we've got to be more targeted. >> it was the doctor out over his skis or it was a trial balloon they quickly pulled back. you could say it's one doctor, but dr. scott atlas says things and no one says that because he's the doctor for the president of the united states. was this an early misstep? >> what we've been told from the standpoint of the president-elect, from the overall consensus of the team an overall lockdown is not what the team is looking at. there's a reason they had to clean it up. president trump has deemed this as exactly what republicans would do if they took over. he says in january, and there's a lot of i think consternation from within some democrats that
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as much as voters trusted biden on a variety of issues, whether it was to handle the pandemic or character issues, consistently we did see throughout the campaign season that president trump did seem to have an advantage on the economy. and around republican messaging, they've been very effective at suggesting that democrats do not care as much about the economy and shutting down businesses. what i think, though, is valid, and we actually had one of the co-vid advisory board member tell us on npr this week, they are operating with limiting circumstances, because this election has still not been ascertained, they don't have access they say to dr. fauci on a regular basis or access to vaccine deployment information. so much of what they're talking about with co-vid is in a somewhat hypothetical realm because they don't have the full information that the trump administration has been dealing with. >> it will be a fascinating challenge day one out of the box. and michael, if you listen to
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the president-elect as she notes, the president of the united states has refused the traditional cooperation of transition. so far joe biden says that's okay. >> i'm confident that the fact they're not willing to acknowledge we won at this point is not of much consequence in our planning and what we're able to do between now and january 20th. we're goinged to exactly what we would have been doing if he conceded and said we won, which we have, and so there's nothing really changing. >> says nothing really changes. but it is difficult. look, he was vice president for eight years, in the senate for more than 30 years. he knows the government, but it is whether it's a national security issue or pandemic issue, at what point do they stand up and say enough? >> yeah. look, i think you made the points i was going to make, too. there is probably nobody that has entered the white house as president and the people around
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him that know the government and know what the government is capable of and know what the limitations are more than joe biden. certainly more than barack obama when he walked in in 2009. that said, especially in the areas of national security, where i think they are very concerned about not having the kind of latest and up to date intelligence about threats to the potential threats to the country, and i think on the pandemic which as she rightly said, there's just not anything more important for them to get moving on on day one than trying to figure out how to kind of help the country slow the spread of this virus, and they don't have the information they need for that. and i think their position has largely been let's wait, not push this. let's not seem desperate. and i think they can probably go another week or another few days, but i think that if it goes beyond that, they are going to get concerned and going to
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push really hard. >> thank you both. appreciate the reporting and insights. michael is going to stay with us for the next segment. up next the president refuses to accept the truth and most republicans refuse to cholg his lies. at university of phoenix, students with relevant life experience and eligible transfer credits save on average $11k and 1 year off their undergrad degree. see how much you can save. (brad) apartments-dot-com makes easier than ever.w home (woman 1) how hot do you think it is? (woman 2) a million. if only we had a/c. i'm so happy. (brad) apartments-dot-com. the most popular place to find a place.
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maybe this is breaking news. maybe this is the beginning of another day of conflicting tweets. about 20 minutes ago donald trump tweeting, quote, he won. he goes onto say he won because the election was rigged. you see that. everything after he won was a lie. everything after he won is not true. it is proven to be not true. i'm sorry if you're a trump supporter. do the work yourself. everything he says after he won is not true. he does say he won. that's the first time the president of the united states has acknowledged joe biden won the election. his reasons are wrong, but he says he won. so is that a sign the president is finally going to give in, finally going to if not concede, at least acknowledge joe biden as the winner and let the wheels of government and the transition kick in? kaitlyn collins is with us, michael will be back for the conversation as well. kaitlyn, there could be another tweet moments from now saying we will win, but he does say he won. what do we make of that? >> this could be the closest we get to a concession from
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president trump. this is what people around him have been giving us a heads up believing this is how this would go. the president would maintain he believed without evidence that the election was fraudulent and that it was wrong and stolen from him. but that he would acknowledge that biden won and of course, leave the white house in january. that's what we're seeing with this tweet. you're right everything past the first two words is inaccurate, and it's been rejected by his own administration when it comes to the voting systems where they say no votes for changed or deleted. nothing like that happened that they have evidence of. the president is acknowledging biden's win. this is the first time we have seen this since, of course, cnn and other outlets declared biden the winner. this is about as close as the president has gotten. we started to see him get there friday in the rose garden at the press conference -- he didn't take questions and hasn't, but he started talking about the next administration and saying this administration, a lot of emphasis on this administration, meaning there's going to be another one after him.
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and this is about as close as we've gotten to the president acknowledging that joe biden won. but the question here is does this tweet change anything? this has been the question of the treump era. does this give his government the ability to sign off and start this transition, start giving funds to the biden team and start giving them access to emails and office space and all the things we've been talking about they don't have in that's something that seems to be unclear at this point. >> right. because you get mixed signals all the time. and michael is with us. the mixed signals could include this morning he starts a tweet with he won, and everything that is false. president of the united states used those words for the first time. but last night he tweeted i look forward to mayor giuliani spearheading our right to free and pair elections. last night he was going to continue to fight. the president's real lawyers were turned away in michigan and arizona and pennsylvania.
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the firm in pennsylvania gave up and said we're not doing this anymore because they've gone into court repeatedly and been told by judges you have nothing. you can't come in here unless you have evidence of real fraud. what do we make of the fact that this morning he won. last night rudy was going to lead the charge? >> i mean, look, i think one of the striking features of this presidency for four years is that president trump has always focussed on talking to the one audience that he cares about, his base. right? the people that are out there rallying for him. and this feels to me like maybe this morning acknowledging a broader reality, but he still wants to talk to that base. and that's what the root message is about. he wants to rally the folks behind him. he wants to continue whatever his fate is going to be in his mind. obviously we know that it will be leaving the white house. but whatever his fate is in his mind, he wants to still be loved and admired and worshipped by
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the people that he has sort of had in his thrall and i think the rooty kind of messages and false claims this morning are part of him trying to keep connected to those people. >> right. and to that point, kaitlyn, this is the administration that brought us the term alternative facts early on. and now many of its officials are living in what you have to say is an alternative reality. peter in the press secretary who thinks she's allowed to sit at the campaign head quarters and go on qualification all the time says the same thing. she also tweeted yesterday this amazing more than 1 million marches for president descend on the swamp in support. no. there were 10,000 or so. maybe double that here in washington. there were not 1 million marchers. the alternative facts, reality continues. i guess on this sunday morning
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is is it beginning to crack with the tweet? >> and the question is and this is why when kaylee mcenany was saying donald trump will attend his own inauguration in january, i heard from white house officials wondering why these officials are going on and pushing this, because, of course, they know the minute the president finally does acknowledge joe biden won as he is doing this morning, of course, it makes the statements look more ridiculous than they said at the time they said them. it's a denial of reality. it's striking to see from the highest ranking officials in the federal government being paid six figure salaries by tax dollars. leading people to think they believe they won the election when we know a lot of the officials around the president have acknowledged obviously he did not win the election. they don't think the legal challenges will be successful, and now mike pompeo, and kaylee mcenany will be on the record
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saying something happened that didn't. that's something they'll have to deal with. that's a choice they made, but it is striking to see federal officials so willing to say something to lie and say something that's not true just to please the president. because he was also denying reality and maintaining publicly that joe biden won when it shows the president has known for days he did not win this election and says as much behind the scenes>> and they say it with a smirk all the time as if it's funny to undermine the truth and democracy and common decency. as they say it with a smirk. others are not taking it lightly. the president has had this purge over at the pentagon to the point that listen here, this is the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. general mark milley sending a clear message here without doubt to the commander in chief. >> we do not take an oath to a king or queen a tyrant or dictator. we do not take an oath to an individual. no. we do not take an oath to a
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country, a tribe, or religion. we take an oath to the constitution, and every soldier that is represented in this museum, every sailor, airmen, marine, coast guardsmen, each of us will protect and defend that document regardless of personal price. >> i've been in this town for 32 years. i have never heard a senior general, especially the highest ranking military officer, that's a staredown to the president of the united states. >> there's never been an instance where someone like general milley thought he had to underscore the fact of the oath to the president of the united states. that's a backwards inconceivable notion, but i think it underscores the fact that we -- he still is president. donald trump is still president for another 66 days. there's a lot a president can do. and look, joe biden respects the
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notion that former president-elects have respected during transitions which is that there is only one president at a time. joe biden is going to respect that. he's not going to try to assert himself as some kind of shadow leader. but general milley's comments underscore whether it's military action or a lack of action on the pandemic, whether it's legislative efforts or more executive orders, this president still has 66 days where he can kpe exert the power of that office. i think the general is trying to remind him that there's still a constitution and a government and a democracy to protect here. and we need to do that no matter who is in the office. >> right. some people honor their oath and believe in the rules and the way things are supposed to work. michael, kaitlyn, grateful for the reporting. the president of the united states tweeting a little more than a half hour ago he won. everything after that he won is a lie about rigged elections and
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so on, but we will see if the president is ready. ready to acknowledge it publicly and do the right thing and get along with the transition. up next, the stunning co-vid surge. new cases are at new highs and rising hospitalizations now causing major stress. ♪ ♪ ride... ♪ relax... now you're cloud surfing (record scratch) ♪ ride... ♪ relax...
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americans from both parties. turned out to vote in numbers like we haven't seen in a hundred years. and election officials counted those votes carefully, transparently and in accordance with the law. so, no matter who you voted for, if you cast a ballot, or counted them. thank you for showing the world that even in times like these, america is still going strong.
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the coronavirus numbers this sunday are simply depressing. i don't know a better word for it or i wish i had a better word for it. look at the map. 45 states red and orange means you're heading in the wrong direction. 45 of the 50 states in the wrong direction. 50% or higher in the deep red, rate of new infections compared to last week. 17 in the deep red. 45 states heading in the wrong direction. four states holding steady. only one state, georgia heading down and we believe that's a reporting glitch in the data. look at two months ago. you see the green and the beige? green is down. beige is holding steady. only ten states were trending in the wrong direction two months ago. public health experts warned this was coming unless more was
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done. and now. look at the case curve. it's stunning. it's stunning. the summer surge was horrific. that's 77,000 new infections a day at the peak. 184,000 plus on friday. more than 150,000 yesterday. it's just depressing. it's straight up right now. with more cases, comes more hospitalizations. the initial in the spring then the summer surge. now we're past any of those numbers. record hospitalizations now 69,455 americans hospitalized on saturday because of the coronavirus. and sadly, the death trend starting to trickle up as well. nearly 1300 deaths reported on saturday. you see the blue line and the red lines above it. that trend line also even though there are better treatments if people fare better, that trending up because the case count is so high because of this, the positivity rate. as americans are tested for coronavirus, look at this, 60%. 60% in south dakota. 60%. 45% next door. 42% out in idaho.
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59% in kansas. 24% in alabama. 22% in pennsylvania. this is getting worse and worse and worse. and the ihme at the university of washington projects this. look at this. it's just stunning to say it. 2100 peak in daily deaths somewhere in mid january. just shy of 440 deaths by march 1st. the ihme projection says 68,000 people could be saved if we had better mask mandates, universal mask wearing. joins us to discuss, the chief of division of infectious diseases at massachusetts general hospital and also the dean of the brown university of school of public health. dr. shaw, we've talked for months about how to stop it when you get to a point like this. that is straight up. that is straight up. how do you stop that? >> good morning, john. thanks for having me on. this is -- we're in a bad spot as a country. and i think what you're going to
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start seeing this week as cases are going to further explode, i think we're starting to outstrip our ability to test people and so you can see positivity explode. i expect this week and next states are going to start peeling way back. i don't know if we're going to go to full lockdowns but you'll see substantial restrictions. i wish some of this was done a few weeks ago. it's that, it's mask wearing and talking to people about not gathering at home outside of your nuclear family. those are all critical things to do in the short run. >> he mentioned the steps. thanksgiving is around the corner and then christmas. people are exhausted. eight months of this now. if you look, some states have started to do some new restrictions. ohio, new mexico banning on in person services for nonessential businesses. maryland indoor dining. new york has a 10 p.m. curfew for bars and mandates. iowa new mask requirements. is this the way to do it state
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by state? there will be a debate. there was the idea floated of a national lockdown. they quickly said no. that's not what the new president wants but might it be necessary? >> good morning, john. you know, i think rational people who are looking at the evidence can disagree on the approach here whether we should have guidance or mandates. how strict the restrictions should be, and i do think we have to look at it at the local level. i would also say when you start having hospitals that have completely outstripped their capacity to care for patients when they have no icu beds, when they're looking at field hospitals, they don't have staffing or supplies or ventilators, you're really talking about a need for drastic measures to occur. yes, i'm extraordinarily worried about thanksgiving. we know from our own data in massachusetts that so many of the new clusters are happening not in the public but they're happening in households. people think their loved ones and friends are safe.
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they want to believe they're safe, but so many people are unwhitingly spreading the virus because they're asymptomatic. when we bring people we know and love and we have no expectation would ever put us in harm's way at our dinner tables, we put people at real risk, especially at multigenerational households. >> let's hope people are listening as we head into thanksgiving. >> i'll put up another map. most people have a full or partial mask mandate. the three in orange have done it since election day. north dakota, utah and iowa. republican governors in those states. answer the person who says well, if most of these states have at least a partial mask mandate and cases are going up, that masks aren't working. >> yes. that's not the right interpretation. masks are really important. a mandate is helpful. but a lot of people aren't complying with the mandate, because there's so much misinformation. that's one part of it. we really need a campaign of
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hearts and minds to get people to understand that masks are about protecting yourself, your family, your loved ones, your community. but masks in itself aren't doing the trick. you need that combined with avoiding gathering indoors. along with policy implementations and we still need to do a lot more on testing. so masks are really important, but they're one part of a comprehensive solution to look at them in isolation is really misunderstanding the situation. >> i agree. that's why i want to bring up the question. you see a lot of it. i'll put the positivity map up here. when you look, 12% here, 11% there. 51% in iowa. 59% in kansas. 60% in south dakota. that tells you a horrific day today, but it also tells you what the positivity rate is high. the point you're making, there's people walking around and the more you get into a gathering, it spreads. we're in a limbo period. president trump is president for 60 days. the biden team comes in in
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january. do you worry about a vacuum of leadership in an essential moment? >> absolutely. it's my chief concern right now. i think we have so much to look forward to as we have a potential vaccines coming down our way. but the next several months are really going to be critical, and as you note, there's a vacuum of leadership with regard to how we are going to handle this. we're all so very horrified by over the thousand daily deaths, but what we know about the case fey it wi fatality rate for this disease is somewhere between 2% and 3%. if we take that 180,000 new cases of yesterday at 2% or 3% case fatality, we're at a place with 3,000 to 4,000 deaths per day if we don't get this under control. >> that is horrific. and doctor, to wrap it up, the one good thing we've seen from the trump administration, the president checked out on this a long time ago. they have the operation warp speed. we've seen from pfizer and
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perhaps next from moderna some positive news when it comes to the vaccine. is question is if it's approved, if one or two candidates or more get approved, is the infrastructure in place? the military general in charge of it says he thinks so. state by state, are they ready to deal with it? is the infrastructure there when we get a green light? >> john, not yet. we've been talking about this for months. when i'm talking to states ys, they don't have it set up. we need the cdc and the federal government to help states get ready. vaccines are great, but we need to get people vaccinated and there's a big set of steps between having a vaccine and getting them into people's arms. we're not paying enough attention to that. >> thank you doctors. i'm grateful for your time this time. thank you both. up next for us, word leaders embrace math and congratulate president-elect biden. (harold) twelve hundred strings of lights.
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>> biden -- >> joe biden brings with him decades of domestic and foreign policy. he knows germany and europe well. >> president-elect biden spoke this past week with the leaders of many key u.s. allies canada and across asia and europe. there was also a coal with the pope, china said it respects the will of the american people, but america's top diplomat on a post election world tour disrespects that. >> there will be a smooth administration to second trump administration. right. we're ready. the world is watching. >> yes. mr. secretary, the world is watching. with us to share her reporting and insights, our chief international anchor christiane amanpo amanpour. grateful for your time. i want to get to the policy changes with a biden presidency but first the reaction, even boris johnson, many people think of as a trump friend, they seem almost relieved.
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>> not just relieved but also they see what's happened. this election has been run and biden/harris have won it. they are all -- i mean, you mentioned a few, but there is a list of leaders from all over the world including the populist nationalists in the philippines, latin america, asia, everywhere, who are eagerly awaiting the transition and eegerly awaiting to do the business of their alliances and particularly on the european alliance, the nato alliance. and secretary of state pompeo is in france at the moment. i understand from talking to french diplomats this was at the request of the united states. we think that he's going to be talking about afghanistan. they do not want the u.s. to pull troops precipitously out of afghanistan or iraq without peace proposal on the ground. and things like obviously terrorism, the transatlantic allies and the transition. >> there is this famous photo we can put it up of the president at one of the summit meetings
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where he's got his arms crossed and everybody is standing around him. they haven't had communiques has they normally do because the president simply refuses to go along. is that the biggest relief from the global leaders that they know biden is an international nationalist? they know he'll hug and embrace, and then rejoin the paris accords. instead of america first, they have an america reengaged in the world? >> you know, john, i do think that is the case. look, you cannot underestimate or overestimate the chaos of the disruption by not just an america first, an america only transactional policy over the last four years. and you mentioned some of them. the climate accord, the iran nuclear well and w.h.o. which the u.s. pulled out of. all the major actions that are needed to keep the temperature down and the security high. so i think people are going to be very, very eager. they welcome a more normal
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return to a respect for transatlantic alliance and multilateral world order that in fact, it was the united states which helped create and pioneer for 75 years since the end of world war ii. and they have been incredibly -- i've spoken to many leaders over the past week of this election. when stop the count shenanigans happened in washington, they were appalled. i had a senior german official say the united states taught us how to have a peaceful democracy after the war. and we can't believe what we're watching right now. >> and that's been one of the lessons the former president criticizing not only president trump for refusing to concede but putting more blame on republican party leader who is enable him saying it sends a dangerous signal. let's listen. >> i'm more troubled by the fact that other republican officials who clearly know better are going along with this, are humoring him in this fashion. it is one more step in
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delegitimizing not just the incoming biden administration but democracy generally, and that's a dangerous path. >> the forces that brought trump to power in washington are global. brexit, nationalism, fear of globalism, some would say xenophobia or nationalism. you see it across elections in europe. we've seen it in recent years, far right parties, nationalist parties. do folks across the pond and around the world think trump's defeat is the end of that or do they think we're just at a cross roads? >> well, they're hoping that it brings back a level of respect for democracy and the democratic process. and they hope that when you don't have the occupant in the most powerful office in the word pretty much as the presidency of the united states, when that particular office holder does not denigrate democracy, the values of human rights and all of that, that will stop giving a lesson, will stop enabling and
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encouraging those who are autocrats around the rest of the world. who for the last four years have been able to say it's happening in the united states. everything from fake news against a free and independent media to attacking the democratic institutions. so i think that is a very, very big issue. the alliance, allies welcome it. obviously adversaries are also looking at it, because for them, any chaos or disruption of institutions in the united states, they feel it's an advantage to them. but you know, even erdogan in turkey is not meeting with pompeo. neither him nor the foreign minister. it's interesting to see they want to get on with the business of doing business with the incoming and the next president of the united states. >> it is a fascinating moment here in the united states. but the impact around the world, christiane amanpour, grateful for your time on this sunday. >> thank you. up next, 2020's mixed messages. but republican gains in the house and now in the senate
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2020 election cycle is not over. in fact, some of it will carry over into 2021 and 2020 is fifing us a mixed message. joe biden will be the next president of the united states and we know his win is impressive. he flipped georgia and arizona. he's getting more than 78 million votes. that's a record for a presidential candidate, and he's
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winning 306 electoral college votes. that's the name number donald trump won four years ago. he called in a landslide. a big win for biden. we know that. let's look at house races. the house races are fascinating. democrats came into this with the majority. right? they will still have the majority. these are the races we've call sod far. that guarantees 219 democratic states and guarantees pelosi will be speaker again. look at this. a dozen races not called. now some of this might change. if it came out roughly like this, that means the democrats lose 10 seats in an election where they thought they might gain ten or more. there's a lot of finger pointing among democrats about who is to blame. speaker pelosi says all will be fine. >> as i said, we had a very big win in the last election. it is smaller now. but it is not -- we still have the power of the majority, but on top of that, our leverage and
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our power is greatly enhanced by having a democratic president in the white house. >> the biggest remaining question, who will control the senate come who will control the senate come january in two runoff elections in georgia. here is the math heading into them. 50 republicans, 48 democrats. meaning democrats need to win them both and 50/50 would break the tie in the senate. 2020 will carry to 2021. voters will decide is mitch mcconnell the majority leader or back in the minority? >> we just had our leadership elections for the leadership team the next two years, we are ready to get going even though there is some suspension about exactly whether we will be in the majority or not which will be answered in georgia on
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january 5th. >> joining me now, is jonathan martin of "the new york times." it is interesting, 2020 will carry over into 2021. a great piece in your newspaper today. what message did voters send? it's a mixed message. joe biden won the presidency and overwhelming big win and losses for the democrats in the house. you write this about the warning signs for democrats. joe biden will be president but he has internal family issues, in you will, plus he has lost some voters? >> yeah. i think the larger message from
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voters in this country is the world in this political war trench in america. to me 2020 reflected a continuation, not a break, but the same story that we have had 2016 and 2018 and now 2020 where the country is pulling further apart. folks who live in cities and close in suburbs and increasing vote for democrats. if you look at the rural areas they are getting much more gop leaning. that is a real break. as recently as 2008, president obama won a demanding victory and brought house and senate democrats with him, did well in rural and urban areas alike, we have a much more polarized moment. >> so the democrats have governing challenges and a little family finger pointing over what happened and republicans have trump. he will leave the white house in 66 days but he still has a firm grip on the party. he got a ton of votes. turned occupy his voters biden
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just outperformed him in turns of turnout. you talk about the republican problems this way. senator susan collins, the maine republican, who just won an easier than expected re-election without ever endorsing mr. trump said the president is, quote, an important voice but not the dominant voice in the party. she points to rubio of florida and nikki haley in south carolina. are both naive? they are suggesting this is about other voters or trump jor voters? he not going anywhere. >> he is not. democrats defeating trump was their apex and republicans doing better in the house and potentially holding the senate was their unexpected good news. i think both are waking up a and feeling a bit of a hangover.
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why? the president is not going away and even if he does concede by leaving the white house he wants to keep control of the party and that is a challenge going forward because democrats are going to keep running against trump as long as he is still in the picture and republicans can't fully detach from him. for democrats, john, the only thing that was keeping their coalition together the last year or more was a shared enemy in donald trump, a common adversary in donald trump. now that president trump is not the president any more even though he is still around, their coalition is frayed because they are such a big coalition and they have got folks on the far left and the political middle, and now they have governing responsibilities. so i think both of these parties are being put to the test. they have enormous pressures with gop with trump and
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democrats with their ungainly base from far left to middle. >> dramatic 2020 and a lot still to short out. john, thank you for your insight. folks, pour coffee and read his piece in "the new york times." coming up is jake tapper with "state of the union." here is a look at his guests. thank you for sharing your sunday. have a great day. stay safe. when panera's chef claes makes a pizza, he doesn't just make a pizza.
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