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at the top of the hour now, i am pamela brown. you are watching a special edition of "cnn newsroom." 13 consecutive days of 100,000 plus new cases. the white house is arguing against science and one adviser had a shocking street that michigan should rise up its governor and her new covid restrictions. the former president barack obama says republicans are leading the country down a dangerous path by letting the current president play out his 2020 scharades. spacex lifts off for a history making trip, one heck of a ride.
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a new argument tonight the president's medical adviser going against rules. 45 of 50 states. the country is staring down. experts say more reacc is required to slow the spread. that's what michigan is doing tonight, putting more mitigation efforts in place but the white house as it has for months finds itself arguing about mitigation, against science. "rise up" is what dr. scott atlas urges residents to do in michigan. you may recall whitmer was a frequent target of the president's campaign rhetoric. she was an actual target of a domestic terror plot by an anty government group kidnapped and assassinated her for a covid
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restriction she put in place this year. whitemo whitmer with the simple message, she won't be intimidated. >> i am not going to be believed into not following reputable science, medical professionals, not the individuals that's doing the damage on this one. >> the biden's agenda starts with the coronavirus fight with the science and economics of recovery. this week the biden transition team plans to meet with pfizer and tomorrow how the biden's team plans to put the economy back together. let's go straight to delaware.
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consequential week ahead for team biden. >> that's right. i they're going to start with the economy tomorrow. coronavirus is front and center as their top priority is seeing the economy attacked. all things we are expecting to hear from the biden transition team as we set off on this new week. we did get confirmation earlier today from in coming chief of staff ron klain, he was interviewed and he did confirm that his team will be meeting with various drug makers including pfizer on a distribution plan. they're continuing to do this sort of outrage including learning back channelling to local officials and to others medical community. they can't get any access to the federal officials who are managing this. they are doing these other things they can do but because the sben servigeneral service h done that so far. that means the biden transition
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team still does not have access to federal agency, still does not have access to the white house's coronavirus task force. they're doing what they can. here is ron klain earlier today. >> we'll have meetings between our top scientific advisers and officials of these drug companies, not just pfizer but other promising vaccines as well. we'll start consultations this week. it is great to have a vaccine, vaccinations save lives. you have to get it into the people's arms. it is a giant logistical project. >> getting the vaccine is an incredible under taking. getting it to all americans is going to be a giant under taken. it could needed to be stored at
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certain temperatures and all of these things taken into consideration. the people who are planning for this are not allowed to talk to the biden's transition team right now or vice versa so it is hard to coordinate. it is hard enough to make that transition and adding into a pandemic and something as massive as a vaccine distribution plan, you can see what they are up against. this slow down, the inability to get any sort of sign-off from the gsa on this and impacting national security. we know biden is not getting the presidential briefings which runs down on national intelligence to keep them abreast of what's going on day-to-day within that realm. by now the president-elect would be getting that and someone like john kelly everyon coming out saying this could be catastrophic for national security for transition.
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pam, it is important to know that here we are on sunday going into this next week the biden transition team still does not have access. this is outside the norms. it is not typical when we are in this situation. we'll see what monday brings. we expect to see president-elect and vice president-elect when they give those remarks. we'll see what they have in store for action now that we know they'll be taking office on january 20th. >> we shall see. a morning tweet, the morning started by saying "joe biden won the election," he spends the rest of the day raisiing conspiracy theory. our senior political analyst
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ryan liza, i want to take a step back. the president is trying to fight this. he's now putting rudy giuliani in charge of his legal matters. does it tell you it is more about p.r. than a legal battle at this point? >> it is completely about p.r. if you pay close attention to the legal battles, the last few days have been dismal for the trump campaign. they suffered setback after setback in a number of lawsuits. there is not a single lawsuit that i am familiar with that or outside of the courtroom reco t recountirecoun recounting that overturns or change the results of a single state. joe biden got 306 electoral
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votes. that's 36 more than he needed to get to 270. this is just an exercis exercise -- there is no conceivable ways that any states are going to change the results that have been projected. yes, the answer your question it is about p.r. and i guess the question is to what end? why? and washington this weekend we saw these protests and late last night they dissolved into violence and the president has been celebrating those and encouraging them. what's going to happen next weekend and the weekend after that as we have two months until the inaugural. i don't see trump or his people backing down or grappling with
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reality. i thi i think it could be nothing and he'll leave or if what happens in washington this weekend becomes something that happens around the country with presidential support. i think that's very -- i think that's a little worrisome. >> it is absolutely worrisome, doug, what do you think about it? >> i think president trump is spewing out conspiracy theories right and left. i am reminded of the april 19th, 1995, when we had the oklahoma city bombing. when you ratchet up the hateful behavior saying the election was rigged or fraud and i am the real winner, you are going to get groups, militia groups and people that are going to get riled up because trump is
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>> civil unrest for no reason when we did this great election in 2020. it is a count until january 20th. everything donald trump does is a stunt. it could cause lives certainly of his lack of response of covid-19 and we see the state of michigan and the trump's white house. this can get replicated as we go into thanksgiving and christmas and the number of covid-19 is going upward. >> we take a step back and think, it has been eight days since the race is called for joe biden and the president is tweeting this information about the election saying it was stolen from him and it is remarkable and the transition has not start for joe biden.
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what does it mean for the country and how much of a danger is this for the country and how complicit are fellow republicans and allies of the president who are not speaking out about this. that's for you, doug. >> okay, you know i think donald trump is obviously plotting his seed right now. maybe he'll take over the radio world or his friends who located in palm beach will work as a new network with donald trump. this is not an ex-president that's going to raise money for a library. he sees himself a revolutionary force of nature. he's trying to convince people this is rigged. the more people protesting, the happier he is. he's creating what would be a constitutional crisis right now but after four years of trumpism, people just say his
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tweets are blather, we don't carry it on cnn because his megaphone is filled with conspiracy theories and a lot of people are watching nfl football today and not watching trump tweeting antics. >> republican allies of the president on capitol hill are, you know, president barack obama say the president is comply sic. what does this point will push republicans to abandon this alternate reality? >> well, the dynamic at play here that i think a lot of people are not talking about is georgia. the reason that a lot of republicans on capitol hill are
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not stepping forward in declaring the trump's era is over as some of them might in a current circumstances because they want to win those two senate seats in georgia and the fear angering president more importantly angering his supporters by looking like they're selling trump out and that playing into a backlash against the republican candidate in georgia. that's an issue that's going to get a lot more attention over the next couple of weeks. that's some of the cowardness republican senators is about. anyone is saying it ridiculous. the president is promoting protests on the streets based on a lie that he won the election or it was rigged. how can republicans think oh we can't call it out because we need those two senate seats. that's the basic dynamics. we are seeing the final -- trump
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era clash between silent republicans and trumpism. >> right. >> and i know from my reporting, the president has lashed out at gop allies early on and he dangled the georgia special elections out there because he knows republicans need his support but i mean this is the kind of politics that people hate, right? these republicans who are staying silent are putting their party and themselves before the country and in ways that you just laid out there. there is really no excuse for it. >> brian lizza and douglas brinkley, we'll see you later in the hour. >> still to come, texas has surpassed 1 million covid-19 cases and hospitals are on the brink of capacity. the president of the texas college of emergency physician
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spot of coronavirus. the country surpassed 11 million cases today. at least 45 states reported more new cases this past week compares to the previous week. hospitals are at the worst point in this pandemic. health experts say if hospitals get overwhelmed, state officials may order some places to ship down again. so we are seeing a staggering surge in coronavirus cases and hospitalizations in texas. last week dallas county hit a new daily high infection recording more than 1400 cases. health experts are predicting dallas county will set more record in the days leading up to thanksgiving. hospitals are preparing extra refrigerated storage space. put in perspective of where we are right now in this crisis. joining me now is dr. robert
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hancock. he's the president of the texas emergency physician, he practiced in fort worth and amarillo. what are you seeing inside hospitals right now. thank you for coming on. >> we are seeing this dramatic increase of hospitalizations. as we get that and more patients get admitted to the hospital, the first thing you start to see is icus bed capacity decreased. that's the critical part here. once icu facilities are gone, there is nowhere to put these patients. we would transfer them to another facility that have icu beds. we are at a point where nobody have icu beds. so you are kind of stuck of these covid-19 patients. they whine up stay ing in the emergency department for days on end sometimes.
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that obviously stresses the system. if there is no reform to go and more patients coming in then we are kind of stuck and now i am having to function both critical care doctor and er doctor. and it gets overwhelming pretty quick especially for the nursing staff who are having to manage often six to eight patients and a lot of them are very sick. >> clearly it is not enough staff that can handle this influx and the surge we are seeing. why are hospitals at this point dealing with this pandemic still running out of beds and not having enough staff. it is just horrible of what you just laid out there. >> well, there are a lot of factors to that. part of it is that there is just limited space, period. there is so many beds you can
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have. unfortunately, during the previous shutdown. a lot of hospitals had to lay off staffs because volumes are up so low, there were not any ele elective cases. that's happening in realtime. the problem is if you are creating more capacity but the number of patients you are bringing in is still exceeding that capacity then you get a few new beds for a few days and those are full. and so really creates an issue and the big thing people have to understand about covid, when these patients go to the icu, they're often there for ten days plus and that does not happen with icu patients who's there for two or three days. when you are occupying that bed so long, it does not take long when you keep on adding patients and nowhere for them to go.
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>> that's an important point. we are hearing health experts may have to ration care. what does that look like? does that mean some people does not receive care at all? what does it mean? >> that's the most stressful thing for myself and emergency physicians. when this happens and the system is overwhelmed and you have critical patients take a lot of time and my time is split between all these admitted patients plus when i am taking care of the emergency department plus new patients, the concern is are we going from a situation where i am able to provide optimal care which that's what we are trained to do to make sure we are providing adequate care. as that happens and that stresses all of us and nurses and other staff. none of us want to see that. we want to give the best care for our patients. we have to redefine that.
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>> i can't imagine having to make those decisions day in and day out. it is le markabremarkable. when you look back at where this started and where you are now. how would you classify where you are in this pandemic right now? is it a five-alarm fire right now? where are we? >> we are getting really close to that level. as time goes on, we have to be more creative and look at other places to put patients and at that time we'll really be at the worse. what we are seeing right now is the worst we have seen and we are only at the first of it. it is going to get further as we get through the holidays.
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we are looking for a long hall the next three months or so where we'll have to make tough decisions and get creative fortunately for emergency physicians, and getting creative and make things work and do the best we can. >> okay, it could get worse and you laid out that you guys are struggling to find beds and you don't have enough staff. i have so much respect for you and the other medical professionals again who are dealing with hancock, thank youo much for all your work. >> thank you very much. >> still to come, what is it like to be on the inside of a trump administration? one former white house task force member says it is upsetting to watch her formal colleague play politics. up at 2:00am again?
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last hour three former trump officials talked to us about president trump and his refusal to concede the election to joe biden. they have unique insights and how the president thinks and operates. they deliver inside on what a long-term impact this could have on this country. >> the u.s. surpassing 10
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million cases covid. you were closely with vice president pence, how is trump impacting the spiraling of the crisis. >> they need to understand what's going on behind the scenes and looking forward. today we have the highest case numbers happening. those numbers will continue to increase and people are going to continue to die. it is upsetting especially for me who's watching my hometown at el paso, i am here right now and watching the white house continuously play politics over lives again and again. it is just so upsetting and they should just do the right thing and support the biden transition and get them all talking to each other so we can unite and do the patriotic thing to protect our american citizens. this virus is real and it is
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spreading. >> that's just the reality. you look at the numbers, it is just the numbers. it does not tell the truth of where we are with this virus. john, i hinted this before before we were talking and not just the fact that trum m is refusing to concede but he's denying access to classify briefings. officials have fired or resign including mark esper, how does this make the united states vulnerable to national security threats? >> it is an outrageous situation as we discuss or been discussed? it is the obligation and the authority of general services to ascertain quote on quot quote -- apparent does not require absolute certainty. it is outrageous that the biden administration had their review
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people set up and they are denied access information which is bringing the transition to a standstill. without that, our national security is absolutely impaired. the bush administration started off because of the delay and started making their transition and resulted from the florida issue. every minute this is delayed creates further risk to our national security. administrator, emily murphy, must ascertain that joe biden and kamala harris is the president-elect and vice president-elect. >> olivia, i want to go to you
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on that. the white house is saying everything is publicly available. they're asking about the distribution plan for the vaccines and well, it is all publicly available. what is your reaction to that? >> i think that's ludicrous. the biden team needs to be briefed on what worked and what did not work in the past. they have experts there. i was on the task force, i know numerous situations that should have been implemented that were not. you need to be talking to them and briefing them and plans that were never implemented because the president and the circle of influence blocked them from happening. that's just mind bl-blowing. >> coming up, former barack obama is opening up about his final days in the white house. the recent election, and an advise he'll give to president trump. >> when your time is up then it
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it is your job to put the country first and think beyond your ego and interests and disappointment. my advise to president trump, if you want at this light stage in the game to be remembered as somebody that put the country first, it is time for you to do the same thing. >> president barack obama is weighing in on the uncertainty clouding washington as you heard there. president trump has yet to concede and more importantly he's holding up the transition. let's bring back douglas brinkley, good to see you again. so some argued that president trump's political rise came from his spread with the birthism conspiracy with president obama. it is threatening democracy. just put in perspective how
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damaging is this to democracy and why should everyone at home watching right now care about what's mayiplaying out. >> our great export of the united states is free and fair elections. we are the country monitoring elections and here we have after all we had to do to fix 2016 with russian interference, our country pulled together and states did well. we have historic record turned out. joe biden won the biggest popular vote in u.s. history and donald trump playing the sore loser and unable to, show the generosity of spirit to admit that he came up short in the end. so he's being selfishly and i got a chance, pam, to read all of "the promise land ". now we talked about it and it is
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amazing at the end of the book when barack obama takes birthism, the belittling of our president. he's going out and spewing these conspiracy theories and making our democracy weaker and not stronger by being unable to accept the normal transition. >> the irony of that is a black woman is now going to be the vice president with joe biden. so let's take a look deeper into what's at play here. "the washington post" says the president has made false claims more than 22,000 times since taking office tonight. president obama talked about how blatant dishonesty polluted politics. >> what we have seen is what some people call truth decay, something that's accelerated by
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president trump. in the sense that not only do we have to tell the truth but the truth does not even matter. >> it is very true and it seems that people don't care about the truth. how did the political parties find common ground when truthfulness seems to be a liabili liability? >> if we had the bipartisan spirit, in the 1960s and '70s, and standing up for things. that's gone right now. we are in the middle of cultural political warfare. president obama's new book is how media is having people going into tribes. we have no sense of what it means to be united as americans. we do pull together when 9/11
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happened for a few weeks. there are these moments where we pulled together but the amount of hatred the right and left in this country is epic and it is disturbing and president trump says it was born out of beginning sub cable television and moving into social media environment that we are in. >> i can certainly say we did see the country pulled together after ner9/11 but we did not se the country pull together on this pandemic. more than 11 million cases and mask wearing has been politicized even doctors say if you wear a mask, you can save so many lives. president obama described what was like to leave after eight years. let's listen to that. >> on the last day the emotions
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really focus on the team that you have been working on. it is very rare outside of maybe wartime where you get a collection of people working together in a sustained way under that kind of pressure and stress. and so there is a melancholy to it. there was also and i write about this satisfaction in knowing that i had finished the job and run my stretch of the race and i could say unequivocally despite regrets and disappointments of some things not getting done, the country was better off when i left than when i got there. >> what did you think about that? >> well, i think the country was better off once obama left. after all we forget what that great recession was like and how bad the economy was and you had
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obama bail out general motors and started on stimulus and in the book there is a story about osama bin laden who we had the manhunt for and you have operation spear of the navy seals going in and get the number one outlawed of the world. that's how the obama's booke book ends. it is sad. here was barack obama left and donald trump came in and getting crazy and started saying his cro inaugural crowd was bigger than barack obama which was not. donald trump touched anything that obama did trump tried to do away with. it is ironic. trump lost and biden is in. barack obama released the number
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one book of all time. this is going to like michelle's memoir. there is like a triumph of biden and obama and kamala harris and the american way but donald trump won't get out of the way and that's what's sort of sad. covid should have been an opportunity for our country to pull together but we are more divided than ever. it is sad that we have a president who made his symbol by not wearing a mask as he ran for reelection and the winner is mask-wearing joe biden. >> yep, that's as fact. douglas brinkley, thank you so much. >> thank you. coming up. a false reality spilling out in to the streets of washington. thousands of the president's supporters bracing claims of a stolen election. why it is incredibly compelling. she was once a conspiracy theorist herself.
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rally to challenge the election results and president trump's loss. members of far right groups such as the proud boys, conspiracy theorists such as alex jones, and some gop members of congress were among the many demonstrators. my colleague sara sidner spoke to one of yesterday's attendees. >> reporter: you don't believe anybody who says this is a fair and free election. >> absolutely not. >> reporter: was 2016 a free and fair election? >> there was probably fraud there too. >> reporter: you think donald trump won legitimately? >> i think the swamp is so deep there's probably cheating for decades. >> reporter: why weren't you out here in 2016 then if you thought there was fraud? >> i think there's been fraud in all of the elections. >> this is just one example of how trump supporters are entrenched by the president and
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rally and tweets. you and the atlantic have reported extensively about the misinformation coming from the president and also from the many groups supporting him. and yesterday president trump's motorcade drove past this rally, which got the crowd's attention, as you can see in the highlighted part right there. what is your reaction to this, ellen? >> you know, it's deeply troubling to see a very large portion of the electorate rejecting a legitimate election. we have no signs that there was any fraud. to see this many people out in the streets saying that there was, rejecting the truth, is -- is a problem. it's very troubling. >> so, i want to be clear, the reason we have you on to talk about this is because you have real insight into how and why some people readily believe conspiracies. you wrote about this in may where you admit that you were a teenage conspiracy theorist, and you explained why this is such a
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compelling phenomenon. you write thts article, it posits a world where nothing happens by accident, where morality is plain, where everything piece of information has divine meaning and every person has agency and makes a puzzle out of the conspiracy and a prestige drama hero out of the con spear cyst. it seems like you're saying the appeal is more on an emotional level than an intellectual one. >> that's exactly right. you know, if throwing pure facts at conspiracy theorists work, we would have eradicated conspiracy thinking. debunking is only part of the issue here. conspiracy theories help you make sense of things that are uncomplain able. they give you certainty in an uncertain world. they make you feel like you're part of a community. so much of what we're seeing is a community of conspiracy theorists that are coming together feeling like they're part of something. i think that's what a lot of
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people misunderstand about this problem is that it's not just an information problem. it's a deeper problem about people's, you know, societal and psychological needs. >> yeah, it's interesting. you say in the article that it starts with your world view, and then the details come. what happened with you? you were once a conspiracy theorist and now you're not, i'm assuming. >> that's correct. >> you know, i became a young conspiracy theorist as a young teenager. i was about 14. i think this happens to a lot of people. i grew out of it. i think it was a trolly teenage thing to some degree. and as i got older -- and also, importantly, as conspiracy theories started to become darker and grimmer like pizza-gate, you know, there have been mass murders because of conspiracy theories. the whole environment became
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much scarier, and i matured and i learned things about myself and i learned things about the world. and i just sort of grew out of it. >> did you realize it was a conspiracy theory? did it dawn on you or no. >> yeah, i think i knew -- i knew that it was -- i learned about the alum natty in school from a somewhat whacky teacher. and at the time, i absolutely thought it was true. it made a lot of osense to me. you know, when you're 14, you're just coming to understand how power structures work. you're just coming to understand how wealth and influence work in the world. and having something as simple as a shadowy cabal of people who patrol everything, it makes sense. it's an easy explanation for a really complicated thing. >> so, it's all in a box. >> totally. that explains it. great. >> exactly. >> it's so easy.
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>> i could go on and on with you ellen, but go ahead. >> i was just going to say that i then -- you know, i sort of started to realize that this was not a common thing that people believed in, and i started to, you know, do more reading and meet more people and come to understand that this was not actually true and in fact that the answer was much more complicated than what i had been taught. >> right. all right. well, i'm glad that you're no longer thinking that way. and thanks for coming on. >> thank you. >> it's really, really interesting to hear your insight in all of this. thanks ellen, appreciate it. >> thank you. well, just over three hours ago, four astronauts aboard a spacex rocket made history. >> 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 0. ignition. lift off. >> and not even gravity contains humanity when we explore as one
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for all. >> they lifted off from the kennedy space center in florida at 7:27 p.m., and they are now on their way to the international space station. they're expected to dock at the iss in about four hours. three american nasa astronauts and one japanese astronaut are traveling aboard the crew dragon force named resilience. they'll spend the next six months. thank you so much for joining me tonight. i'm pamela brown. "state of the union" with jake tapper starts after the break. we all have our own journey ahead of us. our own hopes and dreams. we'll pass many milestones. moments that define you. and drive you. to achieve even more. so, celebrate every one. because success isn't just about where you want to get to. it's also about how you get there
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-- captions by vitac -- ma www.vitac.comlp. winter is coming. covid cases reach record highs across the country with experts warning the worst is yet to come. >> we are pleading with the american public. >> with the trump administration blocking access to the transition, can the country stop the spread? i'll speak exclusively to dr. anthony fauci and the governor of hard-hit ohio, mike dewine next. and seat at the table? president-elect biden not waiting for outgoing president trump to concede the election, looking ahead to who will make up his administration. >> if i had a portfolio that allowed me to stand up and fight for working families, would i
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