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out front tonight, more people may die. that is the warning tonight from joe biden. the president-elect using some of the strongest language yet since the election, telling president trump it is time to start to transition now or risking losing more american lives to the virus. >> more people may die. if we don't coordinate. they say they have this warp speed program that not only dealt with getting vaccines but also how to distribute this. if we have to wait until january 20th to start that planning, it puts us behind over a month, month and a half. the idea that the president is still playing golf and not doing anything about it is beyond my comprehension. >> the virus is spreading at an alarming rate. more than 100,000 cases for the 14th day running, far outpacing any increases in testing. at least 14,951 americans have died since election day. people were alive coming in, now

dead. yet the president is ignoring the urgent calls not just from biden but from dr. fauci. >> obviously, it's something that we're concerned about. and i know that transitions are very important to get a smooth, essentially as i use the metaphor, essentially passing of the baton without stopping running. >> of course it would be better if we could start working with them. >> 14,951 americans who were alive on election eve are now dead from coronavirus. as biden said, the transition is also key to distributing a vaccine. a vaccine that could change our lives as we now know them. but it is a massive undertaking, one that according to fauci could, could, if everything lines up, begin in just weeks. >> we want to get doses to people starting in december, and then we want to really get the ball rolling as we get into january, february, and march. >> and now there are two possible vaccines. moderna today reporting its

vaccine is nearly 95% effective against the virus according to initial data. 95%. i mean, that is an incredible thing to celebrate. if it really works, if these vaccines work, they really could be transformational. and yet instead of trying to streamline the process the president is spending his time tweeting about the election. "i won the election." telling his supporters to watch a right-wing propaganda network that is filled with conspiracy theories, pro-trump commentaries, saying it's really great. that's how he's spending his time. and the controversial doctor on the task force, dr. scott atlas, the one the president listens to, today spent his time going after michigan's new restrictions on the virus. atlas tweeting "the only way this stops is if people rise up. you get what you accept. freedom matters. step up," he hashtags. okay. there's a couple of really important things here. first of all, michigan is seeing a surge in cases. 8,000 deaths now all in in michigan. positivity rate above 10%.

and what the state's governor is proposing is not radical. it's not a full shutdown. she says it's just some things, colleges and high schools temporarily, no indoor dining. elementary schools, k through 8, those still allowed to open. salons, ditto. outdoor dining ditto, open, open, open. and yet atlas telling people to rise up against a governor who, by the way, was the target of an fbi busted attack and kidnapping plot that was formed in part due to coronavirus restrictions that she'd put in place. the approach of let it rip is playing with people's lives. according to the influential model often cited by the white house, another 113,237 americans will die by inauguration day if things don't change. that's another 113,000 dead americans in 65 days on top of what i just said, 14,951 just since election day. it does not have to be this way. if president trump conceded the election and did his utmost to rise to one of the deadliest

stlaets to ever face this nation in his final days in office he could save countless lives. he could make it clear that his political loss is not what matters, what matters is his country. he could take this advice that we found in books this weekend. let me read you a few interesting quotes. this one, "problems, setbacks, mistakes and losses are all a part of life. you have to know when it call it quits and when to keep moving forward." and then this was this one. "i also know that sometimes you have to throw in the towel. maybe you failed but you probably learned something valuable. chalk it up to experience. don't take it personally. and go find your next challenge." and then there was in one. "unfortunately, life has its ups and downs which means that if you want to win you have to accept losing too." who wrote those quotes? well, every single one comes from books that carry trump's name on the cover as author. trump, a man who should take his own advice. >> you're fired. but that's life. so deal with it.

>> arlette saenz is with biden in wilmington, delaware. kaitlan collins is with trump at the white house. arlette, let me start with you. there was a clear change in tone today regarding the risk of delayed transition. sharper language, more urgency. what's behind the change in tone? >> reporter: well, erin, president-elect joe biden is trying to strike this delicate balance, showing he is still prepared throughout this transition process but also warning of what's at stake. and that is what you heard him lay out today as he talked about how this delay in the trump administration acknowledging the transition process, how that is putting americans' lives at risk. biden's advisers have long felt that as this ascertainment process goes on without the ascertainment it becomes even more and more important as they are approaching that january 20th day where he's going to be inaugurated. so you've heard both biden and his chief of staff talking about the health risks that are

involved if the transition team is unable to coordinate on things like the coronavirus pandemic. we know that the biden transition team also can't talk with the administration on other issues as well. this is all really starting to boil over as the inauguration gets closer and closer. tonight we are also learning that biden is starting to fill out some of the senior staff positions within his white house. we've learned that biden's campaign manager, jen o'malley dillon, is expected to have a top role within the administration as well as congressman cedric richmond, who was one of the co-chairs of biden's campaign. he also is planning to leave congress and join the white house as the senior staffing is starting to take shape for biden's administration. >> moving ahead as much as they can. so let's go to kate lan on that. kaitlan, the president has not -- he's just tweeting he won the election. this is how he's spending his time. and that is pretty much exclusively how he's spending

his time. so what is everyone around him going to do? >> reporter: well, erin, it's causing issues for them because they haven't even been able to acknowledge that there will be a transition. you saw the health and human services secretary alex azar struggling with that today, saying if there is a transition it will go smoothly. he can't even say that there will be one and acknowledge that fact because of course the president is denying it even though he's come close to acknowledging biden's win. and then you're hearing from other officials like dr. anthony fauci who is saying i've served under a lot of presidents, a transition is incredibly important and especially now that we are living through a pandemic when a transition is supposed to be happening and the president is still blocking that access. and so the question is not only, erin, how is that transition going to happen, is it going to be smooth, will it thwart any of these distribution plans for the vaccine but also is the administration checked out of what's happening in the next two months as we are hitting some really challenging times with the virus surging. and so today there was a question about that since vice

president mike pence held his first governors call in six weeks because of course he was on the road a lot before the election. and oregon governor kate brown, who was on that call today, said that they did not address the fact that there was going to be a transition in a matter of weeks, since we've only got about two months left and said she believed it was very disingenuous is the way she described it given that was not something they talked about on that call today. so of course the ultimate decision and question is the president isn't just denying joe biden validation by ignoring his win, he's also potentially hurting this transition when it comes to the pandemic preparedness. >> all right, kaitlan. thank you very much. so i want to go now to michael osterholm, member of president-elect joe biden's covid-19 advisory board. also the director of the center of infectious disease research and policy at the university of minnesota. and i really appreciate your time. so doctor, president trump -- there's clearly concern about the lack of a transition process that's even starting, what that could mean. we've gone through the

forecasted number of deaths. almost 15,000 people have died since election day. president-elect biden says more people could die if we don't coordinate, and we've seen the forecast 6115,000 more people dead between now and inauguration day. how worried are you right now? >> well, i'm extremely worried about several buckets of information that you just described. number one is we are entering the most dangerous period in public health since 1918. the potential we have to see these 150,000 to 180,000 cases per day turn into the 200s and even higher per day, which will overwhelm our health care system is an actual stark reality. we've got to deal with that. we need leadership on that. number two is that what is happening out here to try to prevent that transmission is that we have governors and mayors all working their very, very hardest to reduce that transmission, trying to coordinate within their states, and they're looking for national

leadership to help guide them. and number three, and you hit it, you know, the one opportunity we're going to have here to get out of this covid hell is in fact to have an effective and safe vaccine and we're going to start seeing that transition to using the vaccine soon and we need to have it be a smooth transition now within each of our states but also over time between the two administrations. together these are really challenging issues. >> so professor, you had said last week a four to six-week lockdown could help control the spread, and we're seeing that being done in places like europe. of course trump used that against biden in the election, trying to say he would lock down the country. but the governor of michigan, which i just mentioned a moment ago, right? she has ordered a shutdown which includes some closures, high schools and colleges. if you can work from home you work from home. no indoor dining. no organized sports. but there is professional sports. there is pre-k through 8. there is salons, gyms and pools

for individual workouts. there is outdoor dining. do you see any situation, professor, in which we would need to lock down more than that? >> well, erin, thank you for raising that because first of all, that's not actually what i said last week. what i referred to was a question regarding an op-ed piece that i wrote back last august in the "new york times." and what i've laid out is i think first of all the term "lockdown" is a horrible term. if you interview 50 people and ask them what a lockdown is, they'll give you 75 different answers. >> fair. >> we're really talking about what are the measures we need to take to support reducing transmission. and what i've always said is any kind of action we take has to be equally met by the financial support of our federal government so that if we shut down bars and restaurants to keep our schools open then those individuals who work there, that single mom waitress who has two kids trying to keep a roof over

her head basically is subsidized. the same thing is true with the business owners. so to me that's what i'm talking about, is a comprehensive system. but to your point, i think we're going to have to expand substantially. the number of activities are going to be curtailed. and it starts right in our own home with thanksgiving. so without the financial support from washington, d.c. i don't ever see this concept working because people are just not going to participate. >> one final question i want to ask you because you mentioned the vaccine. >> sure. >> and so many people are pinning their hopes on it. i know dr. fauci said even with the vaccine it could take quite some time, plus you would still need other measures. but what we've seen with these vaccines is incredible. and the president today tweeted he deserves credit for it. he said please remember these great discoveries which will end the china plague all took place on my watch. now, he has said time and time again, professor, that he got the process going of a vaccine done way faster than anybody thought. here he is. >> the average development

timeline for the vaccine including clinical tests and manufacturing can take eight to twelve years. through operation warp speed we're doing it in less than one year. if this were another administration, you wouldn't have vaccines for three years. >> if you had another president other than me, you wouldn't be talking vaccines for two years. >> does he deserve some credit? >> yes, he absolutely does. i can't say that another administration wouldn't have done the same thing with the kinds of science leaders that are in the federal government from year to year that also proposed this. but i think he does deserve credit and we have to give it where credit's due. but at the same time, remember a vaccine is nothing until it becomes a vaccination and right now we're in this critical time to figure out how to get these vaccines delivered. we have no program right now coming out of the federal government to convince the average citizen they want the vaccine. and we know that in many circles there's a great deal of skepticism about the safety of the vaccine. so i'll give anyone credit once

we have vaccines in people's arms for all that they did to make that happen. and until that happens we still have an incomplete job that's not done. >> all right. professor osterholm, i appreciate your time. and thank you very much. >> thank you. now i want to go to someone who's working on the vaccine we got news on today from moderna, dr. carlos del rio, an investigator in the vaccine trial and executive associate dean at the emory university school of medicine. doctor, good to have you back on. you were always frank with us and very -- but optimistic when we spoke through the summer and spring. when do you think americans are going to start to get what professor osterholm just said, vaccines in their arms with the moderna vaccine? >> well, erin, i think the news today was really fantastic. and it was fantastic because you know, last week we had pfizer, this week we have moderna. and they both are aligned. they both show over 90% efficacy in this interim analysis. so it shows that this platform is effective. it also shows that the target of

the vaccine, which is the spike protein in the virus, is the right target to produce neutralizing antibodies that will protect you from getting covid as a disease. so i think the -- are very good. now the issue is the vaccine production has started. there's 20 million to 30 million of these vaccines produced precisely through operation warp speed. now we need to get the companies to apply to the fda for emergency use authorization. the fda has to review the data, do the approval. if everything goes well, probably late december, early january we'll start seeing some of the vaccines being administered to some people. but you know, at most right now there's enough maybe to vaccinavac vaccinate 20 million, 30 million americans because each one of these vaccines requires two doses. and that's a long way from getting to 300 million americans. so as dr. osterholm said we need a plan, we need a strategy and we need that implemented. this is going to be one of the most complicated public health efforts we've ever done as a country. >> and it is going to take a lot of time.

people need to understand. so the head of the international vaccine institute dr. jerome kim told us today that your vaccine, early data is proof of concept but his overall caution was look, we don't know everything yet. all right? about efficacy. he said we don't need to just know efficacy at two months but at six months, at stwetwelve mo, further out. how long does this thing work for? do you have any concerns, doctor, about how long this vaccine lasts? >> i mean, for sure. what we've seen today is an interim analysis. what we saw from pfizer is an interim analysis. and then we saw press releases. i as a scientist want to see the full data set. i want to see the studies completed till the end. i want to see the long-term efficacy results. and the long-term efficacy in any of the studies we're following participants for up to two years to know the long-term efficacy. but at the same time we can't wait for two years to start vaccinating people. so this is a little bit of building the ship as we're sailing it. right? we have an emergency. we're going to start using the vaccine.

but we also need to follow people for a long time and see what happens. but at this point in time based on what i've seen, based on what i know about the vaccines, based on the absence of side effects that i've seen, i'm going to be one of the first in line to be able to get the vaccine because i believe it's going to be effective. >> all right. thank you very much, dr. del rio. i appreciate your time. >> thank you. thanks for having me. okay. next trump attack georgia's recount calling it meaningless. the republican who manages georgia's voting system responds next. plus biden warning america's economy could take a hit this winter. >> we're going into a very dark winter. it's going to be difficult. >> as trump claims he has won the election. twice in the past 24 hours. what is the game he's playing here? jack o'donnell worked alongside him for years. he's out front. you're clearly someone... ...who takes care of yourself.

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senator was implying he should be throwing out legally cast ballots that match back to the signatures. graham denies this. but it comes as the president is also sowing doubt about the georgia recount, tweeting "georgia won't let us look at the all-important signature match. without that the recount is meaningless." okay. so we've got to do this again. we've got to go to the long-time republican who manages georgia's voting system, gabriel sterling. georgia's voting system implementation manager. here we go. you're getting attacked here by the president. he's saying your recount should be called off. he says you aren't verifying signatures. tell us the facts. >> well, the reality is we're following our law, we're following the process, we're doing what we're supposed to do to verify the outcome of the election that was held november 3rd. we have election directors in 159 counties that are literally going through and having human beings look at every single ballot and stack them and count them. i don't know how much more thorough we could possibly be on this front. we're doing it to show that the

machine's counted right. the first attack was machines weren't counting right, so fine, let's do this. now they're saying go back and check the signature. these signatures were all checked weeks and months ago for some of these people. it's not like there's this big bin you can go check on. and our rejection rate is tracking under the normal. in 2016 we had 580 ballots that were rejected for missing or mismatched signatures. in 2018 it's 454. and because of the explosion we saw in absentee voting this time it was 2,011. so it's tracking the same thing it has always tracked. and this office actually strengthened signature match, bringing in gbi people to help train our county elections directors on how to do this better. >> what are gb snichi? >> georgia bureau of investigation. >> the point is these are people who are experts at this and you've done that extra level. you've given us the numbers. >> yes. >> i get it. this doesn't add up whatsoever. so let me ask you now about what i just played there in the introduction. i don't know if you heard it. your secretary of state brad

raffensperger is also a republican. he says he's getting pressure by prominent republicans to question the validity of legally cast ballots. right? the signature issue. he told the "washington post" lindsey graham asked him if he had the power to toss legally cast mailed ballots in counties with higher rates of non-matching signatures. are you getting pressure from anyone to do this sort of thing? >> me personally, no. i've got none of that. i know there's been discussions about where are the legal votes. because we have said from the beginning there are going to be illegal votes in every election in the united states. >> of course. >> every time. it happens. so we were investigating all the specific instances of that. but we've seen nothing widespread of, you know, a conspiracy to flood absentee ballots with people mismatching signatures. we have zero evidence of that. but if somebody has evidence of that, this secretary will track that down. we made that very clear. but the amounts we've seen, it's in tens, 20s, 100 over there. we've got some double voters.

we found a big chunk of them were not double voters, just input errors into our voter registration system. we have potentially like 150 felons that might have voted. we're investigating those. but nothing approaching this 14,000 vote margin right now. >> so let me ask you one other thing. six counties in georgia finished the hand recounts. no discrepancies there. in floyd county, though, gop stronghold, more than 2,600 uncounted ballots were found. and you've gone through those. you said trump could gain about 800 net votes. which in the scheme of a recount is pretty significant. in the scheme of your margin it is insignificant. but it does raise the question. gabe, are you worried that we could see more than that? i know you've said that that was just an error, someone had kind of lost track of the data. >> until the process is done there's always a possibility something might happen. however, the evidence we've seen so far doesn't bear that out. this is one county out of 159d. it looks like they set aside one box of early votes that they simply didn't upload in the

original scan. and the way it was discovered was through the audit. the audit is doing its job to verify the outcomes on these things. and when you find a discrepancy like that then you fix it. that's why we have these rules and guardrails in place to protect the veracity of the vote and the integrity of the outcome. >> one quick final question as the president keeps attacking this voting software company that you're familiar with, dominion. today he says dominion is running our election, rigged. you and i have talked about this. you used? dominion software in georgia. you told me last week you had no evidence in any way that there was any issue with it, with the vote count, with anything like he's been alleging. but he keeps relentlessly pushing this conspiracy theory. you've had another week. still the same thing? no there there? >> still the same thing. in fact, we brought in an outside vendor to go and run testing on random counties on random machines to make sure the same software was running the same way it was supposed to. they have come back clean bill of health just like we expected, just like this audit's going to show. listen, the president has 73

million people right now who voted for him. i get it. you fight for those people to the very end. but we are a country of laws, not of men. we need to follow the law. and if they have real evidence take it to a courtroom. vet it out there. talking about stuff on news programs and on twitter is not evidence. we need evidence to do some of these things. and i understand people are upset. that's going to happen. there's always going to be a person who comes in first and a person who comes in second in these things. and each side could be upset. what we said in this state is if biden was behind by 14,000 we would be doing the exact same thing to give people that faith and that confidence in the actual outcome for the ballots that were cast. >> right. and you have certainly given that and handled this with such integrity. thank you very much. i appreciate it. >> thank you. have a great night. >> you too, sir. and now jack o'donnell, former president and chief operating officer of trump plaza hotel and casino, knows the president very well and has worked with him. so jack, you've known him for decades. rig

right? he knows he's lost this election. but he won't let it go, right? he's out there today saying it was rigged, saying he won, feeding very dangerous things to some of those 73 million people who may believe him. why is he doing it, do you think? >> well, first off, he's very angry. and you know, he is pacifying his own ego at this point because as you know, and we've said this many times, he just can't accept the label of loser for himself. i think he's also doing it, erin, for two other reasons. he's a very vengeful man. and i think he is trying to make it as difficult as possible on joe biden because biden is the enemy. and along with biden being the enemy donald trump views the 78 million people who voted against him as the enemy as well. and he very much gets the angst that he is causing with that 78

million people. and i think he enjoys it. i think i told you two years ago that this man enjoys hurting people. and i think he kind of is enjoying the pain that he's putting biden through by delaying this as well as the angst of the people. >> well, look, he's putting both sides fully in angst. he's putting everybody through a miserable and uncertain time. you know, at the top of the show i read through some of the quotes we found in trump's books over the weekend. you know, he always had someone writing with him and i guess now we know who wrote the quotes. all very, you know, full of dignity about how you accept a loss. in another one he says, "sometimes you work as hard as you can on something and it doesn't work out. the question is how do you know when to give up? i usually tough it out longer than most people would in a similar situation, which is why i often succeed where others have failed. i also know that sometimes you have to throw in the towel. maybe you failed but you probably learned something valuable. chalk it up to experience. don't take it personally, and go find your next challenge."

is there any way that he would act in such a way? >> well, those clearly aren't his words, even though they're in his books. because the answer to your question is no. he will never act that way, erin. and he's done this time and time again. it doesn't matter what the situation has been. he will twist a loss, you know, into a lie or just a story that he's been cheated. he's done it time and time again. even the trump university is a great example of it, quite frankly. where you know, the guy had to pay a $25 million settlement fee. and that clearly is a loss. but he had to turn that into no, it was a judge of mexican descent that stole this from me. and he was never going to agree with me. he just can't -- he just can't accept, you know, losing with grace because he doesn't believe he can lose. >> jack, i appreciate your time and your insight. thank you. >> thank you, erin.

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tonight, president-elect joe biden offering a stark warning. as states begin imposing new restrictions in response to the coronavirus case surge across this country. >> we're going into a very dark winter. things are going to get much tougher before they get easier. that requires sparing no effort to fight covid so that we can open our businesses safely, resume our lives and put this pandemic behind us. it's going to be difficult but it can be done. once we shut down the virus and deliver economic relief to workers and businesses, then we can start to build that better than before. >> out front now, douglas holtz

eakin, the former chief economist of the president's council of economic advisers under president george w. bush, and catherine rampell, a "washington post" columnist and our economics commentator. so catherine, let me start with you. you know, i was sort of struck today by the tale of two countries. the dow and s&p hitting records because of the vaccine news. records amidst the sort of economic destruction that we've seen over the past six months. and yet over the weekend in dallas we saw these heartbreaking images of lines and lines of cars stretching back miles. 600,000 pounds of food distributed in the largest ever distribution in dallas. i mean, look at these cars. i mean, i don't -- you see this and it chokes you up. which story is the real story about this economy? markets at a record or that food bank line? >> right now is sort of a tale of two economies. right? you have white-collar, more highly educated workers, people who are able to continue working

from home who have largely recovered the jobs that were lost as a result of the pandemic. then you have everyone else. lower wage workers, people who have service jobs where they have to show up in person, for example. small businesses doing poorly. and they will continue to do poorly and shutter and not be able to rehire until we get the virus under control. there's also the issue of the fact that markets tend to be more forward-looking. they're baking in the fact that there will eventually be a recovery in their profits. we don't know when that will happen. but it likes it's going to happen maybe a little bit sooner than we had thought. but it's still a while away. but we don't know when that will happen. we don't know how much pain will be endured between now and then and how much productive capacity could potentially be lost because people's skills are deteriorating, businesses are shuttering, and you know, kids aren't learning, aren't reaching the milestones they need. >> doug, you look at, it small businesses are the backbone of this country, right? in terms of employment. and therefore in terms of spending power. so how do these two economies

continue? >> well, i want to agree with everything catherine just said and add that when you look at the stock market it's not pricing the whole economy. it's pricing large publicly traded companies which are probably in the best condition to survive this. it's not pricing the non-profits, the performing arts centers and the small businesses of america and the workers that are in them. so i don't think on a day-to-day basis looking at the stock market tells you much. i think what we have to do is make sure that we keep an eye on the problems that we know we have and that includes 11 million relatively low skilled workers who have been out of work for a long time, their ui is about to exhaust in many cases and the small businesses who are just struggling to make sure that they can stay open and keep their employees working. and that's going to involve helping them do things to work safely, get them some ppe, get them better testing. there's some financial help as well, but they need help working in the presence of the virus. it's the top challenge until it's in the rearview mirror. >> catherine, professor osterholm, who's on the president-elect's coronavirus

committee, you know, he made it clear that there are going to be more restrictions required in states like we've seen in michigan. right? several states now imposing lockdown measures that are going to cut back on economic activity. president trump, though, has warned again and again that he thinks this sort of a thing is a mistake, and here's how he put it last week. >> lockdowns cost lives and they cost a lot of problems. the cure cannot be -- you've got to remember, cannot be worse than the problem itself. and i've said it many times. >> is it possible, catherine, that these lockdowns -- and i know the word means different things to different people. but these shutdowns of large swaths of the economy are causing more harm than good? >> i think in the long run our economic interests and our public health interests are generally aligned. there might be an urge to try to have as much economic activity return as quickly as possible, but that could actually slow down, you know, how quickly we

are able to get infections under control and ultimately the infections are in control of the economy. i think we need to think a little bit harder as well about what kinds of activities we prioritize. there are certainly things that we want to put ahead of all others. for example, opening schools. right? we know that there is long-term damage that comes from kids not having their proper educational experiences and developmental milestones hit. and then there are people, there are the businesses that probably we should just buy off for the time being. you know, that it's just not worth the economic trade-off to continue having people go to karaoke bars or whatever it is where we know that there's a higher rate of infection. pay these businesses, pay these workers so that they can sustain the closure for a longer period of time so we can prioritize the reopening of the things that matter the most. >> doug, your response? the cure cannot be worse than the problem itself. >> it's wrong to have this be a

black-and-white choice. there's a continuum of things we can do. we can start with social distancing and masks. we can add to that aggressive efforts on testing, aggressive efforts on therapeutics, and not simply bet the ranch on the vaccines. now, operation warp speed's been a miracle and my hope is it's not damaged in the non-transition. we are greatly positioned. but we can do more than just wait for the vaccine, and we should. >> thank you both very much. and next, an incoming democratic congresswoman says not one but several republicans mistook her for the late breonna taylor. her reaction, next. and we'll take you to the navajo nation, where they're entering a new lockdown. covid cases there are surging. if you have risk factors like heart disease, diabetes and raised triglycerides,... ...vascepa can give you something to celebrate. ♪ vascepa, when added to your statin,... ...is clinically proven to provide 25% lower risk from heart attack and stroke. vascepa is clearly different. first and only fda approved.

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tonight, both the house and senate back on capitol hill. several newly elected members getting settled. including congresswoman-elect cori bush of missouri. she says many republicans called her breonna as she wore this breonna taylor mask on her first day working on the hill. tweeting "it hurts. but i'm glad they'll come to know her name and story because of my presence here." out front now, democratic congresswoman-elect cori bush of

missouri. and i appreciate your time, congresswoman-elect. so you're wearing this mask that has breonna taylor's name on it. what was your reaction when not one but i believe you said it was several republicans called you breonna? >> you know, the very first person i just -- you know, i looked around a little bit like is there somebody next to me? you know. and then -- but then when i explained who she was, then the person just kind of gave me this blank look. so it didn't seem like they were being malicious, they just didn't know. but then after the next and the next and the next, then you know, i really started to feel hurt because i'm like, this has been a national movement. 15 -- the reports are 15 -- between 15 and 26 million people protested up to july, from june into july. how do you not know? and we claim ourselves, we signed up to be leaders. we have to know what's happening

in our communities and not only our communities but what's happening in other communities because that's how we keep our people safe. >> i mean, i have to say, congresswoman-elect, it is saying something. i mean, they really did not even know who she was. and then what was their reaction? did you try to explain? >> yeah. i did. to each person that called me breonna. it was hi, breonna, how are you? i'm such and such. or it was "oh, you must be breonna taylor." so with each one i explained who she was and every single time it was this, "oh. oh, all right. okay. good to meet you." it was just like this blank look. but it gave me an opportunity to teach. and so now, you know, they know who breonna taylor is. hopefully they went to go research her and we can further this conversation. >> you first got into politics as a community activist during

the ferguson protests. we saw you then. you've been one of the biggest advocates for defunding the police and as you said refunding our social services. there are, though, many in your party pushing back and they're saying the slogan defund the police has led democrats to lose a lot of races they thought they were going to win. here is congressman clyburn. >> jaime harrison started to plateau when "defund the police" showed up with a caption on tv right across his head. that stuff hurt jaime. and that's why i spoke out against it a long time ago. >> right. >> i've always said that these headlines can kill a political -- >> and your colleague congresswoman abigail spanberger began yelling on a call with house democrats and she said "the number one concern people brought to me in my district that i barely rewon was defunding the police." now, as i said, you used the

words defund the police. you talk about refunding social services. but you use those words, you feel strongly they're appropriate words. are you worried, though, that they're hurting your party? >> you know, i think that when we have attacks, especially attacks that are -- that should not -- you know, if we don't believe what the attacks are about, then i think we have to work on our narrative and we have to work on putting the right information out. and so that's what i had to do in my own race when attacks came against me. and the other thing is when attacks came against me i didn't go back and say oh, no, no, no. i pushed -- i leaned into it. this is who i am and this is what i meant. i think that maybe that means a new coms director or maybe it's another consultant. you know, to make sure that your message is getting across instead of blaming us. but this is the thing. we cannot -- first of all, i respect rep clyburn. absolutely. we have a difference of opinion. but the thing is instead of blaming one another for what could have happened, should have happened, instead of that we have to look inward to say hey,

what could i have done differently? not only that, the other thing is if there was a problem that should have been inside the caucus and not in the media. and so that is the issue that i think we have to deal with. but the plan is that there is still a problem with police brutality in this country. so i i can't care about people's feelings or whether what you like i am saying or not. my people are dying and that's what i have to look at. >> i want to ask you one other thing before you go congresswoman- congresswoman-elect. that's a big response you got on social media. something that's small to some but it is a big deal. it is getting ready for your new and important job. you tweeted out sharing some of the outfits you were putting together because you are going to be congressman for united states of america. when a regular person like me

run, it is hard to handle on everything and down to the clothes i need for work. tell me about the response you have been getting? >> the response has been tremendous. women have reached out saying i feel heard and i don't feel ashamed. this is how i shop. hopefully this is opening up the door for people to see especially as women. there are already barriers and you can see as women we are expected to look a certain way. i can put on a suit and there are dresses and skirts and blouses and makeup and shoes and flats. all of these and there are so much more that we need and our under garments and so many women

reached out and designers have reached out and stores and rental and boutiques have reached out saying we want to help not only you but other women on the hill that have this problem. with want to help other women in business that have this issue. it has helped so many women and i am hoping it helps more. >> congresswoman-e wilect, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> we'll take you to the navajo nation to see the major steps they're taking tonight to battle a surge in coronavirus. to keep moving. but how do we make sure the direction we're headed is forward? at fidelity, you'll get the planning and advice to prepare you for the future, without sacrificing the things that are important to you today. we'll help you plan for healthcare costs, taxes and any other uncertainties along the way. because with fidelity, you can feel confident that the only direction you're moving is forward.

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tonight navajo nation locking down for three weeks of an uncontrol spread of coronavirus. the reservation is home to more than 140,000 people. it is the second surge for the navajo community.

more than 600 have died since the pandemic began. martin savidge is live. >> reporter: winter like cold has returned to the navajo station. last week coronavirus devastated the navajo reservation that stretches across arizona, mexico and utah. in may, infection rate surpassed new york and new jersey. >> she wanted to get tested and she says she tested positive. >> just two weeks later, dixon listened helplessly over the phone as her covid battle ended in a distant hospital room. >> i was talking to her, you can't go, you have to come home to us. by 5:45 you just hear that tone of her heart stopping and the doctor came on the phone and

says she was gone. >> reporter: now covid is back. navajo health officials warned the virus is uncontrollable in 34 communities and fearing it will get worse. >> the case has been increasing and there is no plateau and no flattening. >> reporter: how many icu beds you have here? >> we have 14 here at the navajo area and here at this site, we have six. >> reporter: in new mexico and arizona, health volunteers poured in. that's not likely this time. hospital nation wise are struggling to find beds. the navajo are preparing to fight alone locking down the entire navajo station for three weeks. announcing the news on navajo radio. >> good morning, i hope everybody wakiing up feeling good, feeling they want to stay

home and take care of themselves. >> reporter: people can only leave their home for emergencies or essentials. learning is online. gas stations and grocery stores can open but under limited hours and capacity, using strategic sanitation procedures. >> reporter: non residents and tourists can pass through but they can't stop. face masks already mandated and encouraged to be worn in doors. if you have breaking record number around us, it will come into that nation or that area and that's what's happening today. >> reporter: aggressive screening continues. 50% of the residents have been tested. health officials have identified sites to quarantine thousands and to place hundreds of hospital beds.

and running water to about 40% who have none to make hand washing a hygiene easier. >> with this little help, it will improve their lives. >> reporter: so far the strict lockdown has received little push-back because perhaps even though enduring agonizing loss realized there is still so much more the navajo could lose. >> to keep us safe and alive. that's what the lockdown is for. >> reporter: the positivity rate in the navajo nation running around 16%. that's high but not as high as some of the surrounding areas. coronavirus is coming from the outside in and hence part of the reason for the lockdown, stopping the movement for the

people and you stop the movement of the virus. the navajo knows they're more match for coronavirus, they don't have the medical resources. their best tools are isolation and preventions. their best weapon is the lockdown. they pray it works. erin. >> martin, thank you. thank you very much to all of you. anderson starts now. good evening, on the day the world got to celebrate the possibility of a second vaccine that could be deployed in weeks. it takes more than vaccines than to end the pandemic. we have to cooperate together, all of us and not just across party lines. cooperate with the world health organization and the rest of the world dealing with this. the symbolism of the event could not be missed. he just met two groups that famously do not get along. biden's message is this. if we want our