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people and you stop the movement of the virus. the navajo knows they're more match for coronavirus, they don't have the medical resources. their best tools are isolation and preventions. their best weapon is the lockdown. they pray it works. erin. >> martin, thank you. thank you very much to all of you. anderson starts now. good evening, on the day the world got to celebrate the possibility of a second vaccine that could be deployed in weeks. it takes more than vaccines than to end the pandemic. we have to cooperate together, all of us and not just across party lines. cooperate with the world health organization and the rest of the world dealing with this. the symbolism of the event could not be missed. he just met two groups that famously do not get along. biden's message is this. if we want our businesses to
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reopen and resume our lives and put this behind us and not just have thanksgiving and christmas but next thanksgiving and christmas, we have to do everything possible. that the american people have issued a mandate quoting him they want us to cooperate and deliver results, he said. he did not mention president trump when he said those specific words. with the good news of a possible vaccine comes in need of distribution of it and rising cases across the country calls for coordination between current government officials and in coming administration. that's not happening. that's still not happening because the current president who'll leave office on january 20th whether he likes it or not is still blocking the in coming biden team. president-elect was asked about that this afternoon. >> what do you see of your
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transition given president trump's delay smooth transfer of power. >> more people may die if we don't coordinate. look. as my chief of staff, ron klain, have said, a vaccine is important. how do you get the vaccine, how do we get 300 million americans vaccinated? what's the game plan? it is a huge under taken to get it done and prioritize those greatest in need and cooperate with the world health organization and the rest of the world dealing with this. they say they have this warp speed program not only dealt with getting vaccines but how to distribute this. if we have to wait until january 20th to start that planning, it puts us behind over a month and
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a half. it is important it is done at a coordination now or rapidly as we can get it done. >> quoting to the 46th president of the united states, more people may die if we don't coordinate. rural americans are dying at 3.5 times at the rate of urban americans. case loads exploding across the country. more than 153,000 cases right now and counting today. on sunday we crossed the 11 million mark and cases total. they are coming quicker every month. it took us 98 days to reach that first million cases in this country. this latest million to go from ten to millions took six days. it is serious out there. it is all hands-on deck time.
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for his part, dr. fauci adplgre we need a functioning transition. >> it is like passing the baton in a race. you don't want to stop and give it to somebody. you want to essentially keep going. that's what transition is. it certainly would make things smoothly. >> you think it would be a good idea if your team would be able to work with the biden/harris transition team right now in terms of what's best for the public health of the american people. >> of course, jake. that's obvious. it would be better if we can start work ing with them. >> it is obvious. no matter how much the president's feelings are hurt or hopes stash, it does not matter. one man's hurt ang, anger and f
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is nothing even if he's the president of the united states. you can now see in any hospital in america. in icu beds where people are gasping for breath and life. you want to talk about hurt and disappointments and feelings? how about feelings for them? those desperate gasps for breaths. that's what we should be hearing and listening to and talking about and doing everything we can to help. let's stop talking about the man sitting in the white house huffing and puffing and anger and spewing lies. his feelings don't matter. certainly not more than the feelings of family members, some over paid andover wo over workea few minutes to holdup the phone or their family can see their
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mom or dad, afraid tonight they may not make it through. how can the man says he cares about americans and above all that, how can he delay the transition. how can he pmake it so that thee is not a seamless transition that possibly interrupt the efforts to distribute vaccines to all of us. how can he not have a seamless transition and coordination so that kak with researcontact wits not interrupted. how can anyone do that? admiral gerald said over the weekend it has been five months sinces the president attended a task force meeting. five months. it is fine. it is the choice he made. history will be the judge. now there is work to be done. there are new people and they
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are ready to do it. next week the cdc starts to process determining which of us, which americans will be the first to get the vaccine. that's an incredible important decision. not everyone is at the front of the line. it is obvious why you would want to give access to the new administration. about 65 days, it becomes their decisions too and they have to make it work. in our democracy, the people speak and the people change the course of history. that's what they did. that's what it is already happening. the president is free to fight this in court all the way to inauguration day. he's been laughed out of courts. his lawyers are dropping left and right. his time is over. let the new administration have a transition and let's help americans through this crisis. a medical perspective of the vaccine and the damage cause to our public's health because the
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president's refusal for a transition. our dr. sanjay gupta and dr. freidman. more people will die if the trump's people is stone walling the transition. what are the kinds of things or the knowledge that had to be passed or information and logistics and all of that. >> transition are enormously complicated even without a pandemic. we are about to start the most complex vaccination campaign in america's history with multiple different vaccines, two dose series and extreme temperature requirements and environment of lack of trust and need of community engagement and communication and all of that stuff is going to go from one team on january 19th to another team on january 20th before most of the vaccinations will have been done.
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it is essential that there is good collaboration and coordination to pass the baton. any slip is going to be less rapid roll out and improvement in our response even shorter vaccine to curtailing transmissions and stopping clusters and cases and protecting people in nursing homes and elsewhere. all of this on strbstruction ge in the way of not just one group talking to another but of the government being able to work around the clock to protect american lives. >> the vice president ahead of the task force led a call of the country's governor's today of his first time since september 29th. he tweeted out these pictures where he appears to be the only person not wearing a mask in the room. this is the cdc director dr.
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redfiere redfield seating next to pence. especially pence has been part of the spread of this virus, i mean people around pence. again it would be funny if it was not so deadly serious. >> yeah, i have a hard time understanding this. this is going to be one of the great mysteries when we look back on this of the whole thing of the masks and those pictures. this is becoming politicized. now you are in a room full of people, d people, doctors and scientists all wearing masks. we understand being in-door settings with this virus and he's ahead of the coronavirus task force. >> we all know how efficient their testing have been.
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they have been lying about that from the beginning. >> it makes no sense. he's the person who went to the mayor's clinic and to a covid war and did not wear a mask and apologized for that saying he should have done it. it feels like this lesson has not been learned by this future ca force. >> they are leaving. dr. freidman. they can do a whole a lot of damage and people's lives are hanging at the balance. the distribution of vaccines and today we learned moderna's vaccine is 95% effective. that's great news. should the trump administration
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be getting credit for this. i know the fpizer was not apart of operational warp speed. the idea that you would fund the manufacture the same time you fund development so you cut a few months out of delivery. that's a great idea. the idea that they pet on four different vaccines so if any of them don't work out, there will be others that work out. funded in essence, they guarantee a mark for it. that was reassure to pfizer. vaccines don't stop epidemics. those defepends on trust.
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assurance it is not going to be used for political purposes and it is fortunate that the fda and the cdc have stuck to their guns and it is the fda's advisory that'll use standard procedure. it is the cdc which calls the acip. it will look at the data and make science based recommendation for how we can be fair and save the most lives. states and local governments need to be doing a lot of planning. i would say we are ahead of schedule on vaccine development but we are behind schedule on how vaccine distributions. that's a big complex and crucially important under taken. >> sanjay, what's your view on the moderna news? >> i think it is very exciting news. the idea that we didn't know this type of vaccine was going to work.
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this mrna, this is the first time we'll have a vaccine like this. but just you know dr. freiden's point is an important one. we put a lot of eggs in the vaccine's bag ketel marte. but at the same time we kind of ignored everything else. the things that we should have done all along can still do having been done, it reminds me of this commercial on tv larry the purpose le guy. i can eat whatever i want as long as i take the pill. the vaccine is the purple pill. we still have to eat right and do the right thing. we have not as a country been doing that. >> it got to be widely distributed and taken. sanjay, appreciate it.
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dr. freiden as well. >> our senior correspondent, pamela brown, is joining us. what are you learning? >> the president was upset when he found out his campaign was dropping the arizona lawsuit. we summon officials at the office. rudy giuliani accuse youed lawyers have been lying. the odds were stacked against him and he would not be able to change the outcome of the election. rudy called them liars. justin clark fired back at him and calling him an f-ing a-hole. the next day rudy giuliani was put in charge by president
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trump. and rudy's strategy is essentially to go guns ablazing fight until the bitter end and focus on conspiracy theories. rudy has been pushing thesis conspiracy theory made pie the company's dominion. there is no evidence to support this. there is no cases filed or evidence shown. that's where rudy's focus is. he's been pushing that with trump and making him think there is a chance if he pushes with these legal cases that really are just a long shot. the ones that are happening right now are just a long shot. we are seeing some shake up with rudy at the helm now. today there was the second set of lawyers who will replace in the pennsylvania case. i am told that was directly related to rudy. >> i am sure it is a cracked
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team who have replaced them and appointed by rudy giuliani. >> family members who did not agree with this approach. >> there are two camps here. one camp you have rudy giuliani aligned with the president's son and son-in-law. >> great company. >> they have the attitude of we just need to keep fighting and never give up. guns ablazing. that's one camp. everyone else is in consensus that there is nor path he path the president. and ivanka trump and jared kushner and the trump's campaign lawyers, they know there is no chance for the president to o r overcome this. they toll td the president that. talking to sources, there has been a shift.
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last week sources the president would come out and say something and allow for the transition would happen. now there is a change in tune and they're very concerned that's not going to happen with rudy at the helm. andreas lubitz anderson. >> pamela brown, appreciate it. >> more on the lawsuits and how long president trump can holdup the transition, our jeff zeleny is joining us now. what's president-elect biden moves now? >> reporter: it is mostly pro bono, they're keeping their eyes on these cases everywhere. first and foremost, i am told it is the hand recount in gaeorgia. they are recounting and going
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through auditing and they are not coming up with any irregularities or even a big changes in votes. a few things are changing here and there. the biden's lawyers are sort of watching this and watching it play out as timisticie is ticki away. if they are nervous, they are not conveying it. rather glee fall that most of these court cases or massive majority should go your way. president trump's niece, she's hear to discuss his end game for all his looawsuit sues may be. and later on, trump's people is backtracking. the prosecutor was already a target of the domestic
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the lawsuits went nowhere and the cases were dropped earlier today. what is left, our ben ginsberg. reheard that rudy giuliani is in charge and don jr. and eric trump. they're kind of a team saying take this thing to the end. where does that leave actual lawyers to argue in court? what does it lead them to do. for some of the real warriors in republican battles and it is interesting, they have not been able to prove fraud. that was the predicate for most of the cases. they had a 50,000 poll watch
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wa army. could not improve it with them. we see fraud cases melt away and restlawn rudy giuliani is talking about conspiracy about voting machines. >> there are still challenges happening in pennsylvania. the trump's legal team withdrew their requests but revise their suits on cure ballots. can you explain what's going on there? >> that's a major concession. while there is still language in the complaint, the actual relief has nothing to do with all those challenged ballots. it is down to a cure which means some counties in pennsylvania allow voters who made mistakes on absentee ballots to cure them by filling in the missing information. some counties do not do that. the trump campaign have a weak,
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equal protection that all voters should be tweeted the same. they're relying on bush verses gore. i can tell you that bush verses gore is about something very different than this. there is no evidence of that, right? >> there is no evidence. before any veote is counted and after election day, there are te t tests that run on all the machine. you run it through the machine to be sure the machine is counting it accurately. that takes place. in pl plus, you will see you will get a ballot paper trail. that's what they are recounting on the machines, you will be able to see proof of that as well. >> ben gingserg.
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joining me now is mary trump. president trump's niece. "how my family created the world's most dangerous man." mary trump. you're a psychologist as well as a family member. what's going on? it does not matter, he's leaving. all of that but it does not matter. never the less may affect what we have to live through for the next 60 plus days. what do you think is going on? >> i agree with you. it does not matter if he can see or acts like an adult and allow
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for a smooth transition. none of that matters in the sense that he lost. president-elect biden will be president come january 20th. it does matter in the sense that it delays the in coming administrati administration's ability to deal with the multiple crisis that we are facing. it continues to undermine people's faith. i would say the only reason donald's behavior is completely i immaturity is the republicans allowing it to happen. >> the coddling of him and the fear that still exists. there has been talks that there
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be some sort of a reckoning if president trump is gone. it does not seem like there is any reckoning. seems like he's going to hang over their heads that he'll run again and ted cruz and marco rubio are going to be screaming into their pillows because their presidential ambition will be frustrated. is it on the president's part? is it just these are the cards of power he still holds and he's going to figure out how to make the most of it. or as maggie habermann says he's living in increment of time. he does not have a plan he's just watching the show and seeing what happens. >> it is actually a combination of both things. fundamentally it is what maggie says. donald lives in the moment.
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his arc was did i just win? am i going to win right after this? that never changes. it is an arc and it is incredibly boring one but it is consistent. he's for the first time grappling a unique situation. he's never been in a situation where he's lost and can't buy his way out of it. so that is true. however what we need to keep in mind is it is being fuelled by the fact what although he lost to biden, the republican party fair much better than expectations in this election. >> yeah, they did well. >> you can't even blame them. there is a lot of rage i would imagine. >> the people now around the president are mostly sycophants
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or scared of him or feed into his ftrue believers or however you want to think of it. the idea that don jr. and eric trump saying let's keep going. i guess donny jr. has ambition to take over the gop and sees this as his future. it does not seem like anyone is running the trump's corporation. they seem to have a lot of time to be focused on this issue. how do you think this plays out? do you think at some point he attends the inauguration or actually starts to release funds and allow there to be a transition? people's lives are hanging on the ballots of how effective and effectiveness of the vaccines and getting them circulated and people in the hospitals right now. >> as for my cousins, they are aware that they depend on
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everything comes from their father. they depend on him entirely. they're going to entire whatever they do to keep himself in his good gracious. what i feel at this point is we need to ignore these people. we need to place all of the pressure, on republican leadership. the longer this goes on, the more dangerous it is in terms of our national security. who knows what's going on behind the scenes? donal donald is a desperate man. he has access to all of our most guarded secrets. he's in a lot of debt. you know there is also covid. we are in a situation where the leader of this country -- he seemed to abdicated all responsibility ignoring the
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great crisis we are facing over half a century. people are dying because condon refus 's refusal. the longer republicans let this go on, the longer donald is going to be pushing the envelopes. >> mary trump. i appreciate your perspective. >> thank you. >> to mary's point. we have breaking news. president trump asked for whether he had options to launch a strike against iran in the coming weeks. but we can help make this new normal, feel a little more normal. so you have more ways of selling, and safer ways of getting paid. we have tools to help you reconnect with customers, and give your bottom line a boost. you can keep your cash flow moving, and get money to move your business forward, too. so while we can't predict the future, we can help you be ready for whatever's next.
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more breaking news, "the new york times" reports that president trump sought actions last week for attacking iran to stop its growing nuclear program. david, it is good to see you. what was president trump asking his senior adviser to provide him when it comes to iran >> anderson, thank you for having me on. the international inspector reported that iran had made some significant but a modest progress, it will be the last report for president trump's presidency. he heard of this report and it was around them that he asked his advisers what options he may
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have of the one major nuclear site where iran produces this material. obviously in asking this question, this is his one last moment to consider whether to take action and whether it would be military or cyber. >> you recorded general millie describing the escalation to the president, they left the meeting believing a missile strike is on the table. do you know why they believed that? >> it is hard to tell this president because he raises issues and he takes it to hard seriously and sometimes he seems to dismiss it and at moment he comes back at it. we saw a moment where he ordered to strike against iran more than a year ago and pull back from
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it. it is hard to tell whether it is over. what is clear is the iranians have 12 times of acceptable limit under nuclear fuels. that's enough for them to bill two weapons but it would take them about six months in order to build them. it is not like he's facing imminent problems here. if he takes military action, it would make harder for joe biden to put this all back together. david singer, a professor and reporter. thank you. >> if the reporting is not alarming enough. sources telling jake tapper before he was fired by president trump, mark esper, did not recommend any draw down of troops in afghanistan.
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that was one of the main reasons the president fired him. susan rice, former ambassador to the u.n. wrote by his refusal to engage, "tragically but not surprisingly, mr. trump appears to determined to take a final wrecking ball to our democracy. she joins me now. what do you think of the implementation for the biden administration if president trump does withdraw troops from afghanistan in the face of necessary conditions have not been met. we have been in the process of a phase and gradual draw down. it is tied to the taliban fulfilling the conditions that it committed to the agreement it reached in february and tied conditions on the ground thus
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far. some weeks ago, donald trump tweeted he wanted all troops out of afghanistan by christmas. it sounded like former secretary esper wrote was to warn the president of the dangerous consequences of that approach. the in coming administration will inherit a range of really significant national security challenges. the objective needs to be end the forever war but to do so responsibly. and without putting our allies at risk and many thousands of lives over the last several years as well as our relationship with the afghan government. this needs to be thoughtful and measured and not done in a way that does grave damage to our national security than this president has already done. >> how likely is it that
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regardless of the length of timeline of a withdraw is the resurgence of the taliban. back then everyone was saying the hugest priority was building up the afghan army and police. fast forward that's still what everyone is saying and obviously there is tremendous losses and heroic efforts by members of the army and police there but the taliban remains a huge force. >> it depends on how it is done and and what end of our president there to serve. we have ongoing terriorism with
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respect of afghanistan. the u.s. president would need to take those considerations into account and without the benefit of information that i would not have access to outside of government. i can't speculate on what that right residual would look like. you don't go from where we are roughly from 5,000 to zero. you don't go there in a matter of a few short weeks. >> the idea of the president of the united states entertaining a strike on iran with the few weeks he has left in office, how much of a concern? it is not there is an imminent of something happening in that time frame before the next president will take over. >> there is no such thing as a
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quick and dirty strike on iran's nuclear capacity. that's a start of a very costly and sustained war. the reason why in the obama administration, we pursued and achieved successfully a nuclear deal that cut-off every one of iran's pathway to achieve the material necessary for a nuclear weapon because we understood that a diplomatic resolution. a deal that's enforceable. it was a far better alternative than resorting to war. this president pulled out of the iran deal pres. the objective is to find way short of catastrophic conflict
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to prevent iran from acquiring new weapons. it is good to know according to sanger's reporting that many of the president's closest advisers from the secretary of state and the chairman of the joint chiefs recommended strongly against the president taking military action and starting a much wider war in the region on his way out the door. hopefully the president concluded that would do nothing to his legacy. >> you were apart of the bid biden/harris transition. can we assume you would agree for secretary of state? >> anderson, i am not here to talk about me. let the president-elect. >> i know, i know you are not going to answer the question. >> i will support him as i have throughout in any way i can and
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any way he deems most appropriate and whether that's public life or a private citizen, i will be happy to do so. from my point, the good news is we have joe biden and kamala harris coming to the white house, thankfully. so many of the issues we have been talking about will be dealt with responsibly and effectively. >> susan rice, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> scott at laslas, president trump's doctor at the white house, he has some words and the reaction from the attorney general is next. #
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an effort to prove voter fraud in a battleground state has failed again. a michigan court told voters there is no proof. similar endings to similar cases brought by the trump campaign and supporters, all of which want to overturn the election in president trump's favor. michigan is in the spotlight tonight because something tweeted by the coronavirus adviser the president depends on for opinions that fit his agenda rather than scientific data. scott atlas called for people to rise up against their governor gretchen whitmer. today president-elect joe biden
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responded. >> in addition to the folks that have already been elected governor of michigan. i mean, you know, the idea that the president's now existing remaining adviser on covid is saying that they should resist, what the hell is the matter with these guys? what is the matter with them, resist? >> according to federal and state authorities, the governor was recently the subject of a kidnapping plot. quote, the only way this stops is if people rise up. you get what you accept. a medical professional. today michigan announced more than 12,700 new covid cases since sunday. 55 deaths in the same period, bringing that total to more than 8,000. michigan attorney general joins us now. thank you for being here. three hours after sending the
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tweet on sunday dr. atlas as they say walked it back saying he wasn't talking at all about violence but instead about peaceful protests. do you buy that? >> well, personally, no, i don't lie it. i will say this about the trump administration. they are nothing, if not, predictable. you know, there is -- as you mentioned, we're in dire straits here in the state of michigan. it is projected that if we don't dramatically change course, we're looking at a thousand deaths per week. and so, of course, the state government was left to its own devices as we have been since the beginning of this since there has been no federal plan and no federal assistance. and of course right after releasing these new public health orders which are absolutely critical toward saving lives in our state and protecting the health, safety and welfare of the people who live here to have this kind of remark from a health official, you know, not only does it raise
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rath against our state government and our governor in particular, but it's reckless and dangerous given the fact we have had this plot against her to kidnap and execute her. it spurs noncompliance amongst our residents and makes this into a political issue. covid never should have been a political issue to begin with. what it's going to do is just result in more people dying in our state. and that is the last thing that a so-called public health adviser should want to see happen. >> yeah. i mean, look, dr. at lan is a radiologist and radiologists do incredibly important. we rely on them for reading of scans. but they spend a lot of time in dark little rooms. maybe dr. atlas is excited to be outside and have the president listening to him and his name is now known. but it is impossible to read this guy's tweet and not be reminded of the president's own language throughout the course
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of the pandemic calling for michigan to lib rat michigan, praising people who showed up with, you know, automatic weapons shouting at police officers and elected legislators in the michigan state house, threatening them and a bunch of those people turned out to be the people who are now sitting in jail waiting on trial on charges of, you know, threatening to kidnap and perhaps kill the governor of michigan. the idea that someone would do this after what has already happened in michigan with threats against the governor i guess it's not -- shouldn't be surprising given the tone and the tenor and the type of people the president has around him, but i just still find it shocking. >> it is shocking. and i echo the sentiments of our president-elect. i don't understand what's wrong with these people. but this is incredibly dangerous. and personally, you know, not all of those people are sitting in prison. some of those defendants have been at least on bond.
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and a lot of these domestic terrorists, they're still out there potentially plotting and planning. and then when you say this kind of thing, first of all, even if you are just asking for civil disobedience, what are we supposed to be liberating people from? from mask wearing? being socially distant? making sure they are not spreading the virus? it is reckless and dangerous and this administration cannot leave soon enough for us here in the state of michigan and i would say all across the country. >> michigan attorney general, appreciate your time. thank you. >> thanks. up next, mixed messages from a republican senator on whether he thinks president-elect biden should be briefed on national security measures. what he's saying now when we continue.
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president-elect joe biden should be briefed on national security messages. he over sees the general services administration, an official there is accused of blocking the biden transition funds. here's what he said last wednesday. >> there is nothing wrong with vice president biden getting the briefings to be able to prepare himself and so that he can be ready. there is no loss from him getting the briefings and to be able to do that. if that's not occurring by friday, i will step in as well and be able to push him and say this needs to occur so that regardless of the outcome of the election, whichever way it goes, people can be ready for the task. >> made the case for biden to get the briefing saying if that's not occurring by friday, i'll step in as well and to be able to push them and say this needs to occur. friday came and went. this is what the senator says on tv on saturday. >> i'm not in a hurry to get joe biden these briefings.
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it has been interesting how the media have twisted this term step in. >> push back from the senator. now the senator says he did, quote, step in with the gsa and talk to them on friday about the biden transition. he declined to say who he spoke with and what they had to say. the news continues with "cuomo prime time". >> state tv has some competition. it will be interesting to see how the narrative unfolds. we do the job based on who's in power. this will be interesting. you notice what langeford said there, how the media, not this network, is playing on his words. now he isn't. he has no good reason. thank you, my brother, for bringing it to light. i am chris cuomo. there is good news tonight and there is bad news. having both is already progress by recent standards, is it not? the good ne
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