media have twisted this term step in. >> push back from the senator. now the senator says he did, quote, step in with the gsa and talk to them on friday about the biden transition. he declined to say who he spoke with and what they had to say. the news continues with "cuomo prime time". >> state tv has some competition. it will be interesting to see how the narrative unfolds. we do the job based on who's in power. this will be interesting. you notice what langeford said there, how the media, not this network, is playing on his words. now he isn't. he has no good reason. thank you, my brother, for bringing it to light. i am chris cuomo. there is good news tonight and there is bad news. having both is already progress by recent standards, is it not? the good news, we potentially have a second vaccine.

the moderna vaccine may be 95% nearly effective. and it does not need to be stored, they're telling us, at these extremely cold temperatures like the pfizer drug. makes it easier to distribute. good. i would like to say the cavalry is coming, but that metaphor is not right. and that's the bad news. there is a difference between having a vaccine that can work, which it seems we may, and getting all of you vaccinated. a huge difference. and experts say the plan to distribute and track is way behind. the president-elect gets this and gets what's making matters worse. >> more people may die if we don't coordinate. i am hopeful that the president will be mildly more enlightened before we get to january 20th.

>> look, the planning needs to be done now. why? this country has never dealt with getting 300 million people all ages, stages, regions, you know, different living situations a vaccine and trapped it and figured out follow ups. never. and it is an epic task. it demands coordination with the outgoing and incoming administrations. what are they supposed to just come in, bring some people in and say, so, what's the plan? it will never work. yet for two weeks there's been no effort by the trumpers except to put trump's political health first, not your health. literally trumpers are risking the fates of so many of you because trump is upset about his own fate. he's saying in his tweets, look, i don't think they're worth reading. okay? you can look at them if you want. they're there. but again there is good and bad news in this.

trump can lie. he can say he won. but he can't compromise your votes. the problem is he can compromise your safety. and what we're seeing is every day he gets more desperate. so do his words and deeds. the latest, "the new york times" is reporting tonight pence, mike pompeo you and others has to talk trump out of a military strike on iran's main nuclear site in the coming weeks. seriously? again, we know his judgment on iran is no more competent than his lies about the election. but again i submit to you the problem is bigger than him. that's why i say trumpers. and the trumpers will be here after trump. you cannot forget the men and women in power who are empowering trump to delay this transition. and the key part, they have no

basis in fact to do so. they have no justification. it is absolutely okay to go to court, to point out, litigate, argue, politicize, proof of problems. we have had over a dozen lawsuits. no court, no republican state officials, no evidence offered by my credible source justifies any questions about the legitimacy of the outcome. so how do republicans in washington justify saying, oh, they're questions. has anyone given you proof to back them up? none. well, we should let the process play out. first, they want to play victim. when you say remember them, i say remember them. oh, he's targeting us. yeah. you are being targeted. but not because you're victims. because you're victimizing the rest of us. and people must remember and hold you to account when trump is no longer there to somehow in

your perverse reality spread the sunshine on you. you know this time is supposed to be for biden to get up to speed. and you know the need for that is unique right now. and, yet, the trumpers are keeping biden back with so many in this country literally dying from a lack of leadership. and by the way, while they're saying let the process play out, they're not doing anything with their own legislative process to give you relief, are they? why not? remember what they did for trump, and remember what they didn't do for you. proof of my argument, senator lan langford. didn't this guy take an oath? i didn't see trump's name in the oath. so why does senator james langford break his promise? if they don't give biden these briefings by the end of the week, i'll have to step in. now we's going to newsmax, the

new competitor for state news saying, oh, the media had it wrong. i'm in no hurry to help biden. that means he's in no hurry to help you. once again clarity on the situation. fresh eyes come from obama. this time it's former first lady michelle obama. to play along with these groundless conspiracy theories, whether for personal or political gain, is to put our country's health and security in danger. this isn't a game. amen. more than 100,000 new cases per day. 25 states saw their highest seven-day averages for new daily cases yesterday. and, no, it's not because we test too much. it's because we don't care enough. me included. we all have not done what we need to do. take a look at this scene in dallas in weekend. look at these cars. not a trump rally.

but this is a result of trump. you know what this is? these are cars lined up to collect groceries at a food bank. i want you to keep looking at this. look at all the cars. look how far back the lines go. this is america. okay? this isn't post a hurricane. this is status quo for months for millions of people in this count country. we've never seen anything like it since the new deal, since the depression. still think it's a hoax? still think masks are a joke? still think it's okay because you can catch someone like me not wearing one every minute of the day so you never have to when people are starving because trump likes that, that you show you're strong and that you don't need a mask. look at this. this is your country, and it's not going to end any time soon because nobody is making it end.

do you know what the trumpers tell you? instead of seeing this and saying, hey, we got to get to a better place. dr. atlas, okay, a guy with no pandemic experience. he literally would know more if he stayed at a holiday inn express last night, he's saying, hey, you in michigan, these measures to help try to control the spread, fight back. are you kidding me? shame on you. what kind of doctor would tell people to rise up and resist the only kind of prophylax sis that could help them? what the hell is the matter with this person? rise up? you rise up and do your job or get the hell out. how could you give this kind of advice? of course fauci was being measured. he says i don't agree with his position. this isn't fauci's fight. the science is obvious. this is about trump and the

trumpers. he's going to have his main health guy stand up and say, fight back against the regulations that keep you safe? listen to him. i'm not making it up. >> and this kind of isolation is one of the unspoken tragedies of the elderly, who are now being told don't see your family at thanksgiving. for many people, this is their final thanksgiving, believe it or not. what are we doing here? >> what the hell are you doing here? yeah, it could be their last thanksgiving if you expose them to people who aren't wearing masks, who weren't socially distancing, who haven't been doing so who haven't been tested because they don't want to get in on the con of covid. you want to hide on state news, you do it. but some day, you are going to have to deal with real questions. and either you are going to come on a show and do it. maybe we will go back to old school and maybe the questions will find you. when you are living your life nice and easy because you don't have the concerns for the people

people you are telling to rise up, maybe the questions will come find you because you have to answer for that kind of guidance. let alone it is a doctor. do no harm. invite grandma. this could be her last thanksgiving. yeah, if you invite her to a place where she can get sick and die. thanksgiving is right around the corner. and you know what? we do have to think what we're thankful for. and we have to think about what we're thankful for getting passed, okay? because this ignoring the science, this is crazy. we're passed 11 million cases. it will disappear in the spring. it only took six days for a million more to get six. it will take dozens of days. it will take weeks and weeks. now it just took us a week. why? because we're not altogether as one fighting with the disper ration that you must have before the vaccine. 65 days are a lifetime for too many people in this country.

that's how long trump has left. trumpers, remember you took an oath to this country and your constituents, not to him. do your damn job. now, what should that be looking like versus what is the legit state of play? excellent insight and information for you right now. david axelrod, kaitlyn collins. so kaitlyn, we laid out some of the state of play there. we understand what's going on. we saw "the new york times" reporting. this idea that the president has plans of what he wants to do in these 65 days that are almost scarier than what he wants to do to contest the election, what are you hearing? >> well, the president has obviously been looking to make a lot of changes. that started with last monday when he started purging the leadership at the pentagon. but of course the question is now what are they going to do in the next two months? and so that has a range of topics where it's the president continuing to fight the results of this election, urging his

team to keep this fight going, even though we see as it's playing out in each of the different courts in different states their chances are dwindling, their chances of success that is. so we're already seeing the struggles they're facing there. but you have to look at what the question is. what does the president do in the next two months. so the question of the transition is more than just the president conceding the race and recognizing joe biden's victory. but it is also whether or not the president is checked out from the coronavirus response. and that's something we're hearing increasing concerns about because if you notice, you know, the president gave an update on operation warp speed last friday. that was really one of the other times we heard from the president talk about the pandemic without accusing pfizer of holding data on a vaccine to hurt him politically or things of that nature, the conspiracy theories the president has been pushing. what does the president not do over the two months when it comes to coronavirus and how does that affect and damage the

standing of where the nation is and where the biden administration is going to be coming into. >> just in terms of the particulars of it, the idea he may begin the leasing process for arctic drilling, i'm not that worried about that. that can be undone whatever he does. that's a protracted process. what is also protracted but more difficult to manage once it's put into effect is troop drawdowns from afghanistan and iraq. we have seen at the end of a term people put more troops in. we have never seen them start taking them out. i know it is a protracted process to pull them out. but what kind of complications does that put into situations that are very unstable. >> great complications. what the president isn't doing and what the president will do, as kaitlyn said. 65 days is an eternity, and there is so much power in that office and so much of an ability to do things that are really

dangerous for the country. war in iran, for example, would be an enormously costly decision and dangerous decision and certainly not one you should make on your way out the door. withdrawing troops is a fateful decision, and there are consequences that may be paid for if it's not done the right way. so these things are worrisome, you know, along with what he is not doing. you know, this could not be worse timing. we are entering the worst phase of this pandemic. and the danger we should -- look, i have dr. atlas was pandering to the feeling of people of isolation, of not being with their family on thanksgiving, of all the sacrifices that people have to make. i am sympathetic to that. but the reality is that hospitals across this country are being overwhelmed by this

pan emdemic and within a few we we may have people literally dying in the streets because they cannot get into a hospital. this is a national emergency, and it's not getting any attention from the president of the united states. so, you know, on the one hand, he's contemplating all these rash actions that are subversive and could create real danger for us and he's ignoring the gravest danger that we face right now, which is this virus. it's really a tragic circumstance here. >> kaitlyn, any word on the lower levels that there will be some interface between the current administration and the incoming on the vaccination process and distribution plan? >> well, they're struggling with how to approach this. even those who are maybe more career officials or people who do want this process to move smoothly because they worked on it for the last nine months ago is they can't talk about it

because the president himself hasn't recognized it. we saw it with the hhs secretary this morning who wouldn't acknowledge the fact that there is going to be a transition to another administration because the president himself has of course denied that and put all of his deputies in a terrible spot where they feel like if they acknowledge it, of course, they're going to get the treatment that robert o'brian did today where he's just simply recognizing reality and we're pointing that out. or they just act like it's not going to happen and look ridiculous later on. and so this is something they are concerned about. this is something people do want to go smoothly because they don't want it to undo all the work they have done and the distribution process they have been working on within operation warp speed, but that is a struggle when your boss cannot admit he lost the election at least publically in a sense where they can publically be ready for that. they have assured us they can be ready. of course we know it's not if,

it's when. >> axe, last word to you and weigh in on this a little bit. i see this like this is going to be worse like what you guys dealt with with the republicaning whrepublican is came in. they're holding up this transition at a time that's life and deathing and they have no basis. not even cruz is offering. the guy is a champion litigator and debater and supreme court o know it all. the cases are failing all over the place. it looks like it is in death gas in pennsylvania. if this is their spirit of opposition, what is biden looking at with this republican senator and control? >> no, i agree. every person in washington knows the reality of what the situation is. this election is over a long time ago and they're playing this out. here is what worries me. what we didn't phase, yes, that is scary. the opposition in the congress is worrisome for biden. but we didn't have donald trump sitting down the street setting

up camp and leading the resistance from some, you know, right wing television outpost, and that's what's going to happen here. what you see on the part of these republican politicians is abject fear. not so much fear of trump but fear of the base that he commands. and that is what biden is going to face whenever there comes a question of cooperation. i think that at a time when we desperately need cooperation, you will have trump banging on the door day after day calling people traitors if they make any move to work with the president that the people of the united states elected. >> axe, thank you very much. kaitlyn collins, thank you very much. 24/7 always on the news appreciate you. >> major concerns in the run-up to inauguration day. what is this with iran? why would trump think to do this on the way out? he had a lot of time to do it. he had never wanted to do anything like it since we had

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"the new york times" reporting last week donald trump had to be talked out of a strike on iran. line that up with him appearing to move forward with plans for a drawdown in afghanistan and iraq and iraq has a tie to iran that we'll discuss in a second. that's beside the point that cnn has learned earlier this month mark esper sent a classified memo warning against doing exactly that and maybe that that's why he was fired.

with all this, what is the clear picture? you have a lame duck commander in chief who was poised to use power in desperate ways, and it can matter. 65 days could be the longest of our lives. general hr mcmaster was trump's national security adviser, author of the new book battlegrounds, the fight to defend the free world. perfect read to understand this moment we're living right now. general rgs tha general, thank you for joining us again. >> chris, it's great to be with you. thanks for having me. >> so some perspective. he says maybe we take a shot at iran to stop their new clear capabilities. i want to get rid of the troops. iraq says hold on a minute. not a great time to destabilize us with your presence. what do these type of asks speak to in your opinion from this president? >> well, i think on iran, we ought to be encouraged by the fact that then he add apparently

a meeting and then decided against that. of course, you know, there is always this lure of the strike. you know, these are people who put forward easy solutions to complex problems. and, you know, war is not an easy endeavor because the other side gets a say in the future source of events. you know, chris, i wrote a book about why vietnam game an american war called dereliction of duty. what johnson's advisers did what give him the advice he wanted on vietnam. just do some covert raids, just get the first bombings runs off and they never considered the long-term consequences. it sounds like that's what happened in that meeting. the president decided against it. this will be a problem for the biden administration as you saw the un report last week enriching more uranium. it's going to be a difficult problem. of course israel has had the doctrine which means israel will

not accept a hostile state having the most destructive weapons on earth. the israeli defense strikes against iraq in 1981 and then the strikes against this new clear facility that the north koreans were helping the assad regime build. this is a period i think of significant danger, significant danger of military action in the middle east that could lead to a much broader conflict. >> nobody likes to see our fighting men and women abroad. especially in it seems like unwinnable wars. afghanistan is often called the graveyard of empires. but doing it on the way out, we're not used to seeing a commander in chief pull troops out on the way out. what is the risk there? >> it is a huge risk. you should know. you are a new yorker. this is not a theoretical case. if the taliban and jihadist

terror organizations gain support base, gain territory that could allow them to plan and resource and reverse mass murder attacks against us, plus, by the way, having access to an extremely lucrative narcotics trade that kills their couffers and makes them more effective, we get 9/11. what people around president trump are saying now, hey, go back essentially to the bill clinton counter terrorism doctrine. when we look at the history of al-qaeda, they declared war on us in the early '90s. we thought, that's not a big deal. then we had the first twin tower bombings, the truck comes in 1993. again, we didn't do anything. we had the embassy bombings in '98 and we fired a few cruise missiles in afghanistan and called it a day. what we need to learn from 9/11 is that these problems that develop overseas can only be

dealt with at an exorbitant cost once they reach our shores. chris, as you eluded to already, you know, we should be extremely grateful for the soldiers who made the ultimate sacrifice for us in afghanistan, but we should also recognize that about 30 afghan soldiers or place a day give their lives to protect the freedoms they have enjoyed since 2001 and to ensure that the taliban never again control territory and play host to these other jihadist ter torist organizations. >> how big a deal is the task of giving a vaccine to 300 million me americans, 300 plus, and how important is it that the incoming administration be working with the team that's working on it now, right now? >> of course, this is a hugely american undertaking. hey, the good news about it is my good friend is running this. he is a fine officer.

he's a great american. he's going to make it happen. he and his team will make it happen. i think it's immensely important to bring the biden administration into this now, those who are working on the transition. but, you know, chris, i don't think we should be super concerned about it because once you remove these hyper political people across the government at this stage, what you have is you have really dedicated, in this case, a military officer but civil servants who will make this work. and of course they're doing it in a very close partnership with the private sector and private logistics chains. i have big confidence in this, chris, this will work. what you said at the outset of the show is right. the doors should be open, right? we're all americans. this virus isn't going after democrats and republicans. just like after 9/11. they attacked americans. so we should be together on these issues. >> 65 days is a long time, though. as you eluded to hyper politicals, the president put several of them in at the

pentagon. you know, a lot of them, they're not necessarily on top of perna's head in terms of oversight because he's doing it. but structural logistics, it could all be slowwalked. and 65 days is a lock ting time pandemic. >> the problem with 65 days is it is not long enough to get a lot positive done, but you can do some damage in 65 days. i'm not worried about it in terms of warp speed and logistics there. i am concerned from a foreign policy perspective. i think what we have seen in afghanistan is this abhorrent strategy of actually partnering with the 5% of the population, the taliban against the other 95% or so of afghans. and you know what's important to understand for americans? i mean, i know why americans are frustrated with what they are calling endless wars because we have been incompetent in our conduct of our campaigns in

afghanistan and iraq and more broadly against jihadist terrorist organizations. but i'll tell you, this is an effort worth sustaining, chris. the danger is great to us. it is not a theoretical case. and by the way, our commitment there was at a sustainable level. so this is going to be another, you know, another big issue for a new administration when they come in. what to do about it? what's important to understand about afghanistan as well, though, is this move forward disengagement. it is not a partisan issue, right? in many ways, i think what donald trump has done is doubled down on the flaws of the obama administration's approach to afghanistan. in some ways, chris, we set too high of a bar. people are saying, we're in afghanistan and it's not denmark yet. afghanistan doesn't need to be denmark. it just needs to be afghanistan and on a slow path to gaining self-sur self-sufficiency. u.s. troops are far fewer than the rest of the coalition in

afghanistan. this is an effort that the international community has been behind. with us just walking out like that, everybody else will lose heart and walk out as well. >> right. i mean, look, there is something about leaders going first, but also, you know, he's had a long time. there were a lot of people in there between when you were in there and now. but they could have come up with a plan. they could have pulled back if they wanted to. to do it at the last second like this is all downside, very little upside. general, thank you again for being on the show. appreciate it. the look is -- >> thanks for the opportunity. good to be with you. >> the book is "battlegrounds: the fight to defend the free world." a lot of what we're talking about now the general talks about in there. our thanks to him. all right. another piece of good news, right? look, we haven't had a lot. we take it. let's take a breath and appreciate it for what it is. pfizer vaccine good news. having to keep it that cold, negative 70 degrees, that's tough. they say there is refrigeration

all over, but that's going to be tough. now another vaccine moderna, which is part of population warp speed is absolutely kudos to operation warp speed, started by this administration, started by president trump and it is the fruit of that effort. it doesn't need to be refrigerated. its effectiveness is as high as 95%. good. what does this mean for the good things we can do going forward? what are the challenges? and what is the biggest concern right now for a new biden covid advisory board member? next. experience clean in a whole new way. now roomba vacuums exactly where you need it. hey google, tell roomba to vacuum the kitchen counter. and offers personalized cleaning suggestions for a clean unique to you and your home. roomba and the irobot home app. only from irobot.

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moderna came out with even better numbers today. 94.5% effectiveness the company reports, preliminary data but astounding. like pfizer, moderna hopes vaccinations will begin in december and, yes, it will take months to ramp up to the kind of level we could use to vaccinate some 300 million people if we have the right plan. now, biden will oversee the effort at that point, so how important is it that he's not in the loop now? trump continues to lie, deny and defy even as cases surpass 100 0rks 00. he wants credit for the vaccine. he doesn't talk about the cases. hospitalizations hit a new daily high. over 73,000. deaths nearing the 250,000 mark. even with the vaccine, you got a lot of death between now and when we're protected. and a biden team, each day they're falling farther behind.

>> a vaccine is important. it is of little use until you are vaccinated. how do we get over 300 million americans vaccinated? they say they have this warp speed program that they not only dealt with getting vaccines but also how to distribute this. if we have to wait until january 20th to start that planning, it puts us behind, over a month, month and a half. >> so on that basis, let's bring in dr. salene gounder. good to see you again, doc. >> great to see you, chris. >> congratulations on the appointment. now comes the work. we just had general mcmaster on. he says perna has it handled. he has an amazing team. don't worry, when they get in, the biden people, they can handle it. is it that simple?

>> well, imagine if we were in the middle of a world war, if we were at war with a foreign power or the current administration was telling the incoming administration, hey, you don't need to know where the aircraft carriers and the tanks and the troops are, we got it. and on your first day at work, on january 20th, we'll let you know what that information is. i mean, that would be a ridiculous transfer of power. and it is analogous to what we're dealing with in terms of the war on the coronavirus. we really do need very fine, granular data. that is what will allow us to be much more targeted in our restrictions. it will allow us to be more targeted in how we distribute vaccines to those who need it most. >> that's an important point. but the leadership is top down and how they are assessing and who they want to get it first and where. you never know with this administration. they may play red and blue versus old and young. i understand why you want the role in there. before we get ahead of

ourselves, are you convincing by the early data from moderna? >> this data looks really good. even after there is full approval by the fda, we continue to collect data on effectiveness and side effects because there are some rare events that you cannot pick up in the initial studies. so, you know, it looks promising. we're very excited, but we're going to continue to study this. >> 15,000 parties pants received placebo. 90 got sick with covid-19. 15,000 participants received the vaccine. five got sick with covid-19. so, you know, compelling. it's early data. you can keep testing. you may get some different results, but this is much higher than what we require for flu vaccines. 90% makes up 40%, 50% ethicacy.

the court white house team says, look, the pandemic plans are currently available in terms of distribution. you don't need more information than that. what does that miss? >> i mean, that's like saying military plans are publically available. yeah, you can read "the new york times." that is not the level of detail that those of us that are planning a pandemic response really require. we need to with in the room or at least in the zoom meetings with pfizer and moderna and, you know, all of the companies that will be helping us distribute this as well as local and state public health departments. we need to be in those discussions now so that there is a seamless transition. >> now, we know each other from the pandemic. you're nyu, one of the few places to have a long haul research scepter where they have people coming in to figure it out. a lot of unknowns. when you get in, do you believe that there are actual -- will it just be messaging?

or are there actual policy changes in the fight against covid that this administration will make? >> oh, no. this is not just messaging. >> i know messaging matters, by the way. i don't mean to say messaging doesn't matter. but is there anything else? because the criticism is you guys will do the same thing that the trump administration has been doing. >> no, no. i will give you a couple of examples. we don't have time to go through the entire list. but we have been pleading with the current administration, with the president to invoke the defense production act for months, since the beginning of the pandemic. somebody who has worked on the front lines, i can tell you we have been dealing with a shortage situation for months. we have been using the same masks over and over again and had the same face shield since march. this is a huge need. another good example of a major contrast, the current administration has been activity discouraging testing. we are going to massively ramp up testing because that is the

only way you can be targeted in your restrictions that you don't have to be so blunt to have lockdowns. you need to know where the virus is spreading. >> one promise to you, you will always have this platform to come out and argue the facts of what's happening and what the recommendations are of this administration are. >> appreciate it. >> good luck going forward, doctor. we need you. >> thank you. >> look, you don't need me to tell you that covid is exploding, all right? you got covid exploding. you got trump imploding. all right? it is impossible to make sense of it, especially in a divided media landscape. president obama said it is hard. we don't have a walter cronkite. he was a great man and a great mentor, and i liked him. this is a very different time. let's bring in another legendary broadcaster, sam donaldson. it is not as simple as one person. the whole media landscape has changed and we're battling something even he never battled

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. the chaos that we see as a country right now is something former president obama says is not just about president trump. >> i don't see him as the cause for our divisions and the problems with our government. i think he's an axxel rant, but they preceded and sadly are going to likely outlast him. >> agreed. part of the problem that obama pointed out to the atlantic is, quote, we don't have a walter con cite describing the tragedy of assassination but also saying this is not going the way the generals in the white house are telling us.

without this common narrative, democracy becomes very tough. nobody better to discuss this with then sam donaldson. one of the best compliments i ever got i accept that with a smile and a handshake. it's good to see you, big brother. what do you think of the president's comment about the need for a common narrative as made mejz in a single newsman. >> not a single newsman. we need a common narrative, that is based on common facts. there are no different facts. and reporters in my day we will try to bring you the audience. we discovered, occasionally we will wrong and we had to accept it.

without tracing -- president trump has been speaking to the nation. any story, anything that is said about him, he doesn't like is fake news. fake news. he just said we are the enemy of the people, that is nonsense. there's information that is factual that you can use. and he says, you cannot trust them, not one of them unless it's good for me. where can we have a dialog. as president obama said, how can we have a common narrative if there's no facts. >> true, but politicians never love us. the obama administration never did. his ag, eric holder had plenty of problems with the media. what do you think the lesson of trump is in terms of doing our

job? >> well the lesson of trump is. frankly we have to do our job better. how do you do it better when there's not just three networks. when i joined abc news, you had to watch one of the three of us, and you had to watch walter cronkite or frank reynolds or somebody on nbc, and david brinkley, if you did not like one you go to the other. now, if you like any of us, you can go to hundreds, nows, i can can't tell you how many people are out there, delivering what this say is the news. when in fact, it's usually their opinion based on almost nothing or it's fake news if you go to the site and he said no, those children were not killed, those were government plants and you believe that? you never heard that from us.

there's the pizza thing and the pedophile thing, people are believing that. so who do you go to, you can go to cnn? fox, msnbc? i mean, and then i will go down a list, news max is getting the audience now from fox because donald j trump has whipped fox. he the tam he -- it had the tamarity that they had said that he is not going to win arizona, so he has diverted his viewers to further right wing agencies that make fox look like msnbc to them. so where do you go? you say, who do we trust? who do we believe? unfortunately it's up for grabs. >> what do you say to the audience about what they should think as we transition. trump is not going anywhere.

he will be a force of resistance may even run again. what is the best guidance as a consumer of information? >> well, he may, but, he is not going to be president. he isnot going to have the platform. he will try to make himself every day's news as he has as president of the united states. chris, we don't have to believe that. we don't have to put him on, i always thought we should put the president of the united states on until the end. i agreed with people who said, pointed out that he is lying. point out that it's not the fact. point out that wearing a mask will help save your life and someone else's life. and he will say no, look at me, i'm the big strong guy, you fool. and it's just -- biden was right today in not allowing a transition team, 53 doesn't want to concede, fine, ahow the team in to start working because the 20th of january at noon, he will not be the president of the united states, and i'm sure he will leave peacefully, federal

martials will drag him out of the office. >> we don't need that. >> no, we don't need that. but his grip on 72 plus million americans who voted for him and i don't believe had that all of them are in his grip. he will not be the force years from now, markt, other people in the republican party or whatever they call themselves, republican, trump cultists or what have you, are going to be vying for that nomination in four years. they are not going to give way to him. >> sam, i have a suggestion of one of the things that we have not done enough of. i think it will help the audience, and certainly over the next couple of years. very often in the moment i see things a certain way based on the information and how it's coming and what the focus should be and that's how we plan the show with the team. it often would benefit from the perspective of someone like hyo

who does not have the pressure of being on every day, and you can see the game and call balls and strikes and i would like you to do that more on this this show, how about that? >> well, it may cost you viewers. when the old bell goes off, i will get off the floor. i love the country and you love the country, and i think people who voted for donald trump love the country. that's not the point. how do we find the common ground and common facts on which to argue. >> i will see you soon, and thank you very much. to everyone else, we will be right back. >> my son, goodbye. ine?? anna could only imagine a comfortable night's sleep without frequent heartburn waking her up. now, that dream... . ...is her reality. nexium 24hr stops acid before it starts, for all-day, all-night protection.

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thank you for watching, tonight for the bigshow, cnn's star d-lemon. >> i thought you were going to be late to me, you were talking about misinformation with the man, sam donaldson, don't steal him for you. >> i know he is a friend of cnn tonight, so i gave him extra time because he is on your show often. >> when you talk about misinformation, there's so much out there. i was watching a lot of it,