get america back in schools and bringing our society back together once we get the pandemic under control. there are many moving parts not only for vaccine development, which we just said we're at late stages of that develop skpmt the fda might authorize a vaccine in the next month or so. and if so we need to start rolling that out across america. we need to know what plans, if any, are in place to distribute that vaccine. we need to be able to pick up that baton in the middle of the race and keep running with it. >> your administration -- >> we have to start from scratch. >> sorry. the biden-harris administration will be overseeing the distribution of this. there may be distribution by the trump administration, but the biden team will pick that up when he is president. the idea that you're not already being looped in to how it's being distributed, playing a role in those meetings, that's pretty extraordinary. >> that's extraordinary,

anderson. and as well as scaling up and making more vaccine. as you heard also recently, many fewer doses have been produced by what was projected by operation warp speed. they thought they would have 300 million doses available by the end of the year. now we have 25 or 30 million doses. there's a lot of work to do just to make more of that vaccine. it is available to roll out whenever it's authorized. and the roll out is a very complicated process. we have to prioritize most vulnerable people in equitable way as president-elect biden as described and make sure the people are getting the right vaccine and the right secondary dose. planning has to start right now for such a program. >> once the transition occurs, what do you think is the first and most important step you would like to see? >> well, as president-elect biden has said, he has a transition team that is already laying out plans and strategies that will be ready to go on day

one, postthe inauguration. we have an advisory board that is working to translate those plans into a blueprint for action. we'll be able to scale up manufacturing of tests, manufacturing of ppe, manufacturing of more vaccine and start distributing that vaccine in an equitable way. and all the the other activities we think are critical for getting control on this pandemic because right now we're not seeing that type of leadership. we're not seeing those plans happening. and we're seeing this virus spiral out of control. so, the plans that president-elect biden will put in place on day one with will lead our country with a coordinated plan and a strategy to end the pandemic as quickly as possible. >> just briefly, back when you testified before congress, i remember you warned 2020 could be the darkest winter in modern history. there's more than 100,000 new covid cases reported a day since november 4th. are your fears being realized? >> anderson, they are.

and if you listen carefully to what i testified to last may, i said if we don't take action now, then we are in for the darkest winter in modern history. and the trump administration did not take action. we still do not have a comprehensive testing plan to make sure we're getting the right test for the right people at the right time and they're available across our country. we still don't have a vaccine manufacturing and distribution and administration plan. we still don't have all the ppe scaled up for the n95 respirator masks and gloves to protect our health care workers. none of that stuff happened. therefore the consequence of inaction is what we're seeing happen right now which is really disturbing. >> rick bright, a appreciate your time. thank you zblrchlt a reminder, don't miss "full circle," gives you' chance to dig into deep topics. you can watch it on cnn app at any time on demand. the news continues.

let's hand over to chris for "cuomo prime time." >> i am chris cuomo and welcome to "prime time." there are very heavy matters on our watch. once again trump party leaders are standing by silently as the man they fear most revenge fires yet another top staffer protecting our country. why? for telling the truth. the person's name is chris krebs. he's the director of the cyber security and infrastructure security agency. fired for saying there was no widespread fraud in this election. trump says there were massive inproprieties and fraud, including dead people voting. here's his problem. chris krebs said the election was good with proof because he was in charge of overseeing the security. trump has no proof. but what makes this once again a grave night for us? no push back from any gop member of congress.

please remember this. remember how these men and women were silent. when they pretend to be something else down the road, remember who they were in this moment. law and order say they they're about. to them it seems to me that the law is that trump orders them when to speak. chris freds t twitter after the firing. he wrote, honored to serve, we did it right. defend today. secure tomorrow. #protect2020. of course the president has the right to remove krebs. but that doesn't make it right. and the gop knows it's wrong. but just like with the rest of the trump ery surrounding this gaze zi election fraud fiction, they choose to pretend nothing is wrong. listen. >> in all these presidential

elections, we go through this process and we're going to have an orderly transfer from this administration to the next one. what we all say about it is frankly irrelevant. >> so, this is what usually happens? that you don't allow the transition in the middle of a pandemic when we ahave a vaccin that needs to be distributed by the administration that's coming in? and the administration that's there right now won't let them learn. what's happening? that's what's normal? how can mcconnell serve in the senate if he thinks it's relevant to speak right now, that it's ir very well rant to speak truth to power. he knows this isn't normal. he knows holding up this transition with no proof of election issues is the opposite of what's normal. just like his holding up aid while people around this country wait on food lines is not normal. watching businesses fold by the hundreds and waiting to act is

not normal. again, remember what he just said and is failing to say and do. he did nothing in this moment. so, my prediction. let's you and me do what he won't. let's get to the truth and call it out. let's after it. the root of the ruse this time is a partisan play in detroit-based wayne county. the board of canvassers there deadlocked along partisan lines on this critical vote, and therefore were unable to certify the county's presidential results before the deadline. the statement for the michigan gop party chair makes clear what this is about, rank partisanship, giving trump something he can point to to suggest he was a victim of some wrong doing. here's the quote. due to the efforts of the michigan republican party, the

republican national committee and the trump campaign enough evidence of irregularities and potential voter fraud was uncovered resulting in the wayne county board of canvassers refusing to certify their election results. this action will allow more time to get to the bottom of these deeply troubling irregularities. so deeply troubling that he could mention them, show the proof, say something about it, describe it, go to court. no. so, then what is it really? is it about proof of fraud? or is this more proof of the tortured two-party system that has subjugated our politics? let's talk to somebody who literally was elected to know the truth of this, the michigan official overseeing all election results in the state, secretary of state jocelyn benson. secretary of state, thank you for joining us once again. >> thanks for having me, chris. >> have you been presented with proof that there is a material

problem/irregularity/fraud in the vote canvassing in that county? >> no, absolutely not. there was no evidence of irregularities, no evidence of widespread fraud did it become evident at any point in this process. if anything the evidence showed less clerical errors than there have been in years past. yet of course we believe this was more about partisan politics and frankly an effort to suppress and invalidate the otherwise very valid votes of our state's largest african-american jurisdiction. so, recognizing that as you mentioned we're going to just respond with the truth and recognize that we'll continue the work now at the state to finish this canvass, to hand it over to the state board of canvassers and clarify that indeed every valid vote is and will be counted and every voice will be heard in the city of detroit and throughout the state of michigan. >> we're aware that right now biden has perhaps his biggest

lead in the disputed states of almost 150,000, right, 148-some-thousand-odd votes at the latest count. we know there is some counting to be done, certification to be done. let's look at this county because that's what they want us to do in the republican party. let's give them what they want. didn't they have to have some kind of hearing or make some show of cause or proof to have a basis of their vote they didn't want to certify. >> yes, that's what happened today. interestingly in 2016 -- and this happens after every election. the board meets and reviews the canvass and reviews an audit of the process and certifies the vote. notably they certified the vote in 2016 with 80% of detroit precincts out of balance. and yet today 42% were out of balance and it didn't get certified. so, clearly there's no valid point here. it's truly just partisan

politics. importantly, chris, the state has a protocol for when this happens. it simply now then goes to our bureau of elections within the department of state, they will complete the canvass, address think clerical or bookkeeping errors, hand it over to the state board of canvassers. >> i get that it's happened before. i get there's a protocol. i get it. but the issue is what you just said. in 2016, so ostensibly, the issue here is that there isn't a match among a certain number of precincts that is now troubling to the board in its republican membership such that they couldn't vote to certify. >> yes. >> but you're saying that the number of precincts that have a mismatch, as you said now, is 42%. but in 2016, they did certify or vote to certify when the mismatched number of precinct

percentage was much higher? >> yes, it was nearly twice that. 80% of precincts were out of balance in 2016 and yet the board of canvassers had no problem certifying then. and again they shouldn't. it's a bookkeeping issue that often times occurs if a voter shows up or leaves without voting or if there's a spoiled ballot or something like that. the job is for the state to explain any of these imbalances. it's notable the imbalances occur across the state. it's quite common. it's not a reflection of any irregularity and not an opportunity to invalidate valid votes. we're going to continue to address any type of clerical errors that were unaddressed today. we'll continue cleaning out those bookkeeping errors and at the same time move forward with the full certification of the votes in the state that will include every jurisdiction including detroit. >> and the reason i harp on the number of precincts involved. i think 2016 is an important

analogy because they were very tolerant of a much higher number of mismatches y.? because a lot of it is clerical and rectified. they offered you no proof of what the gop put out in their statement, that they're a real problem. they didn't show you look at these real problems, how can we certify. none of that. >> truly and if they had, we certainly would have looked at them. >> right. >> and what we know is that the closer you look t more you'll find that it was a very well-run election in wayne county in detroit and throughout the state of michigan. >> biden is up in michigan by 148,000 plus. we said that. he actually got 1,000 fewer votes in detroit than hillary clinton did. trump got nearly 5,000 more votes, a 65% increase for the president this election that he's saying is rigged versus the last one. so, that's for context. they are suing the campaign in federal court to. your knowledge, have they shown

proof of any kind of widespread and substantial voter fraud? >> they have not. they have not today. they have not in past cases. they have not through multiple different attempts and calls to do so. the reason why is the truth is what it is. there is no regularity, no widespread fraud throughout the city detroit or throughout the state of michigan. what this is is an effort to prolong the certification process to create more seeds of doubt amongst voters and erode the public's confidence in what is actual i ai well-run election. we'll continue to push back with the facts, with the data, and note this was a really disappointing move by the two republican members of the county board today to choose partisan politics over doing the right thing and certifying the vote and will of the people. >> it's easy to play politics in the court of public opinion. it is harder in the court of law.

not impossible but harder. is it true that in the pending litigation right now that the judge ordered the trump campaign to summons the complaint on your office to stop the canvass in wayne county if they believed they had an actionable claim there upon and they were supposed do it by 5:00 p.m. today or potentially face dismissal, quote, for failure to diligently prosecute this case. did they serve you with such complaint and subpoena? >> not to my nonl, not that i've been notified of. that only underscores what this really is -- >> yes it does. >> -- which is an attempt to use a pr campaign to erode the public's confidence in what was a well-run election. >> all right. now, secretary of state, i want to ask your indulgence, okay? we are trying to chase down some news in the county right now. we're working the phones

literally as we speak. let me take a break right now. can you hang with me across the break? >> sure. >> and let's see if i can chase something down and ask you about it because i think it's going to make a difference in this story. this matters to everybody. it's not just about michigan because he just got rid of the person who was charged with keeping our election safe at the federal level because he doesn't want to take the truth for an answer. and if we want this to end, we have to put out everything that is smoking everywhere, okay? so, let's take a quick break. we're tracking something down. we'll get to the bottom of this right after the break. how about no no uh uh, no way come on, no no n-n-n-no-no only discover has no annual fee on any card. we're all finding ways to keep moving. but how do we make sure the direction we're headed is forward?

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all right. there's breaking news on our watch. timing is everything. we're looking at michigan, specifically one county that is part of detroit where there had been a vote along partisan lines not to certify the presidential votes in that county. we are joined now by secretary of state benson from michigan. just a few moments ago, the president of the united states, for now, tweeted, wow, michigan just refused to certify the election results. having courage is a beautiful thing. the usa stands proud. no, the usa does not stand proud. it stands divided. and this is not courage. that's not what this was. this was a curiosity of

politics. and now in real time, it has been rectified. secretary of state, what did you learn while we were in break? >> well, while we were talking, the wayne county board reversed their decision and voted 4-0 to certify the full results, including the city of detroit for wayne county. >> why would they do that? >> well, it appears that the truth won in this scenario. basically the evidence is clear. there were no irregularities. there was no evidence of widespread fraud. and in fact there were simply minor clerical errors as we were discussing, less than in past elections. and that really is an invalid reason in my view and apparently ultimately the board to invalidate and silence the voters in the state's largest county. i think they did the right thing. they performed their duty and certified the election for voters in wayne county. >> they also asked that you would perform an audit of the errors to. me that sounds like a hedge.

a little bit of a cya action. but is that something that your office will undertake? >> we're certainly going to look into that. i mean, look, we want everything to be valid. we want everything to be clear. and we want voters to have confidence in the process and we're going to continue to do everything we can within my authority to ensure that's the case and also prepare our clerks at every jurisdiction to ensure they have the tools and resources they need to move forward to the next set of elections and assure the public these e lebss were indeed accurate and a real reflection of the will of the people. >> just to button it up with a fine point, did they provide to your office any proof of the need for an audit? >> there has been no proof offered to our office or to the board of canvassers of any irregul irregularities. any suggestion there was is an effort to falsely erode the public's confidence in, again,

what was a very well-run election. now we can move forward with the full statewide certification in the days ahead. >> secretary of state, thank you for making it through all this in real time with us. i appreciate your indulgence and the opportunity. >> my pleasure, chris, and i should also mention we were served by the other legal case we were talking earlier. that will continue. the fight will continue. that's not over yet, but i'm confident that the legal system will continue to do what it's done which is verify there's evidence of widespread fraud or irregularities in the system. and we'll continue to prove that everywhere we have to in the days ahead. >> all right. we look forward to how these things play out in court as well. you know we're always a phone call away. thank you very much. >> thank you, appreciate it. so, so far, mr. president, that's strike 30. let's bring in david gregory and anthony scaramucci. anthony, the question becomes on the political side when is your

party going to realize it stands for something other than trump? >> when the money stops coming into the party. they're raising money off this. when they squeeze the last piece of orange out of that orange rind, chris, that'll be the moment they stop doing this. it's disgusting. it's unbelievably transparent. i think they're all befuddled at the level of transparency and what's been discovered. obviously i would love to talk about the lindsey graham thing. they're just befuddled they're caught in every turn. >> i think we've got to be careful what we give attention to. graham is doing what the rest of them do. they're trying to make the boss happy. very interesting, david, that we see county-level people on the canvassing board undoing what seemed like a profids you act here, a faithless act, now voting for nothing to certify the results. we do not see any type of

courage like that, to use the president's word, from the senators or members of congress who are just sitting by watching the president lie and try his best to undermine the democracy. >> because that story hasn't changed. they're waiting for this to just slowly burn out, which it's doing. you know, the president has made a show of saying that any set back in his life is the result of a rigged process. it's not true and it's not true in this case. and republicans around him who fear him, who fear for the party in georgia, what a president out of office for 2024, maybe he's a candidate. we've been talking about that for a week. that hasn't changed. what's important to understand is that this process is not on the level. this is not on the level. there were not widespread irregularities. we should be celebrating the fact there was not outside

interference, that this went off so well during the pandemic. there's always things to look at in terms of irregularitys in an election. but there was nothing widespread. this is not on a level. there are trial lawyers who are hacks and good ones. in this case the good lawyers are getting out of this litigation. they don't want to be part of it. so it's the rudy giulianis and others who are involved and they're not getting anywhere. you saw that play out tonight in michigan. >> you're right and therefore i amend my previous statement when i said the usa does not stand proud, it stands divides, it is true. the system has withstood a president lying his ass off about things that went wrong with no proof. that's a big hammer he swings and he's got an entire half of the political system saying noing, no matter how far afield his claims. thats a lot to withstand but so

far the courts have withstood to be blind anything but law and fact. >> well, when you were interviewing the secretary of state of michigan, i was thinking about my patriotism and her call to patriotism. and i was thinking about our system, and i was literally feeling so optimistic about the country in 2021 and beyond. but what i will say to both of you is because of the republican party and the way they're acting, we could be potentially one election away from hungarian style authoritarianism. these guys have somehow decided that the signal that they're hearing from the president's voters is that they should act more like the president and they should fall more in line with the president. and i'm hoping on july 21st, chris -- i'm sorry, january 21st, that we can decimate him and we can sort of roll back trumpism and frankly crush demagoguic trumpism. >> well, look the point for the

party in power and your party as well to find ways to connect with people other than just massaging the madness and making it about their anger and an animus. address their needs. give them a better message. have a better idea. my certain here, david, is that this isn't just happening in a vacuum. biden's got to distribute that vaccine. we're nowhere on that because he doesn't know and his team doesn't know what's goning on. you've got people in food lines we haven't seen since the great depression. and the days of what's happening in congress is going to make people starve. >> it's shameful. and in the middle of this kind of crisis makes you wonder why the transition is so long which is an argument for a different day. i'm still optimistic. i think the health teams can come together quickly and move apace. we've got bigger problems about

responses to covid state by state versus a uniform plan. but i think the pressure has to be brought to bear when it comes to managing the virus. there's been great work done on these vaccines. it's great for the country. it's great for our fight against covid. and the president-elect is ready to move and has the team to do it. and you have existing professionals who are part of this administration and part of the brew si who are ready to help. there's no excuse for it. >> what happens after trump is gone, okay? just after the inauguration. do you believe that the culture of opposition becomes even more fierce among republicans, they try to do obama times two in terms of juxtaposing everything? or do you think there's a shift, anthony? >> i think there's a shift. i think that his half-life, he'll start to cane as a power product and he'll be long gone by the midterm elections. and i think the republicans, the smart ones are going to do

everything they can to snuff him out and snuff out the nonsense of trumpism. so, this idea at that he's running in 2024, i'll take the under on that times ten. so, the process of his power expiating, if you will, will happen very quickly, chris. and it's going to astonish people because down deep, the republicans don't want it. they're just fearful for some reason. someday we'll have to ig if yourt why. remember he's only as powerful as his willing acolytes. hopefully the president-elect will hire back mr. krebs and that will be a sign the system is working. >> i'm not sure i agree with that. i'm not sure trumpism is easily extinguished. i think it can be peeled back and his character worldwide removed from it. but i think it's a force of consequence from the republican

party. 71 million people voted for him. yeah a lot of opposition to the democratic party or even to biden but also love for him, support for him and support of his brand of where the republican party goes. even the conservative movement goes. so i don't think we know the answer to that. i think there there's a lot of opposition, a lot of fear of the democratic party and the direction it's going. so, i'm still -- my jury is still out on the extent to which they'll separate from this brand of trumpism, especially if he's out in the wings just making mischief. i think people will still be afraid. >> i changed my mind again. >> working on it though. >> i'm going to borrow your point. that's the point. what people want, whether they're trumpers or whether they're biden people or whether they're just confused like the majority of this country about what to believe in because they have no reason to believe is that they want something better. they don't want to be angry. they don't want to just have hostility.

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politicians aren't going to save us, not from the pandemic, not from anything, certainly not from ourselves. together as ever as win. if you and i, if we wear masks, socially distance, wait for the vaccine, get it, do what we're asked to do. we'll get to a better place. what happens in the meantime? chaos. we just learned tonight that senator chuck grassley of iowa is covid positive. i wish him well. covid is no joke, especially at his age. i hope everything is fine. he's the president protem of the senate. he's the most senior republican in the chamber. he's 87 years old. he's very high risk by category. but he's strong and i hope that carries him through easily. he says he's feeling well and

working from home. thank god. he was just on the senate floor yesterday, had his mask off when he spoke, the same senate floor where this happened. >> senator of ohio. >> i ask the presiding officer to wear a mask as he speaks and people below him, i can't tell you what to do -- >> i don't wear a mask when i'm speaking like most senators. i don't need your instruction -- >> i know you don't need my instruction but there clearly isn't much interest in public health. >> little interest is an understatement with ted cruz tweeting the scene is idiotic. he wears a mask to speak when no one is remotely near him as a os

sten tashs sign of fake virtue. dan sullivan was 50 feet away. you are a covidiot. the republican officer from alaska wasn't 50 feet away. he was right there with people under his way. you would think cruz would have a lot more sense about how bad this virus is. you see what's happening in the state of texas? just became the first to surpass 1 million cases. he doesn't say that often. not to mention the hunger pandemic that is there. thousands waiting in food lines in north texas this weekend. cars as far as you can see filled with americans in need when they shouldn't be. we tried to reach out to the senator, get him to take it off twitter, bring it here, talk civilized, see if there's a better way forward. he says he's unavailable. we'll keep trying. maybe he's got a new book to sell. let's prioritize what will make

things better, but it has to hard with the real y'allty and the truth of the situation. we ask senator brown to join us and he has. senator, thank you. >> thank you so much. >> tit for tat aside, what do you see in senator cruz's, the instinct to attack the idea of mask as safety and to call you out as some kind of false virtue signaller? >> well, what senator cruz -- senator cruz doesn't have an intimate relationship with the truth in much of his public life. i don't know him personally enough to know beyond that. the fact is every time the senate stands up to speak, there's a senate stenographer about six feet away and senators who don't wear masks are putting them at risk. i know ted cruz doesn't see the senate stenographer because she's one of the essential workers that doesn't get paid

much money and exposes themselves to the public and goes home anxious at night about potentially infecting your families. but i mean, they've seen workers generally and particularly essential workers, and that's what i'm in the senate for, the dig if d dignity of those workers. they were six feet away. more importantly is those people that work in the senate, people that are essential workers, people that prepare food, change hospital linen, grocery store workers, those are pretty much the forgotten people in this pandemic. congress is looking out for them. no $600 a week unemployment when they're laid off, no help to stay in their homes, no help for their kids in public schools. instead it's political pronouncements that wearing a mask is some political statement that only the far left does. and i don't even understand. history will look pretty badly on this whole mask thing that it's dividing the parties.

it makes no sense. >> let's talk about the current state of play of need and who's doing what. to be fair to senator cruz, he says, you know, the republicans voted twice on very big dollar amount bills for relief for people dealing with covid and that the democrats filibustered and stopped it. this was his response to my saying don't worry about taking me on on twitter. take on the hungry people you have waiting in line for food in your state. did they vote on two bills that would have helped that need of all those long lines around the country. >> they would have helped a tiny bit, but here's the real story. back in march, we voted unanimously for a generous package that made a big difference. it kept -- according to the pew charitable trust foundation, it kept 12 million americans out of poverty. it essentially expired in july and august. congress did nothing.

mitch mcconnell, ted cruz, president trump didn't feel any urgency to do anything. so, every day in ohio and texas and everywhere in between and around the country, thousands of people fall into poverty. speaker pelosi wants to do a big package. a little smaller, a plil smaller. republicans offered very little. nothing close to $600 a week keeping people out of poverty. very little for public schools so they can open in person. nothing for local governments. something for small business but not enough. then they simply adjourned and said, no we want to come back. instead of coming back to vote on a hack for the federal reserve which the senate defeated today and a bunch for judges, that's what mcconnell brings us back for, exposing workers to this virus. instead we should be quickly negotiating a package that will matter to get people through this cold winter, to get people through this pandemic so they have a fighting chance. >> why aren't the democrats to

blame for not accepting something rather than nothing with so many people in need? >> well, because something was so little. something was a little bit. but we were always hopeful that the pressure of the election on president trump -- trump said let's do something bigger. then he changed his mind and he was back and forth. but we were hoping it's still due for something significant enough to make a real impact the way it did back in march. it made a huge impact. 12 million people out of poverty. and since then it's gotten worse and worse and worse. and republicans don't want -- half the republican caucus has said they don't want to do $1. they want to do zero. so, we know that republicans want to do just the minimal amount to get through the election and then essentially nothing. we hope they'll do something now. if they don't, we come back with something significant with the new biden administration. but we hope they do it now. we ought to be in session right now doing that instead of voting to put a political hack on the

federal reserve, another trumpster. >> every day that it continues without something being given to the american people is another day people have food insecurity, which i guess is some pc way of saying going hungry. i don't know why we -- sometimes we kind of err on the side of gentle language that doesn't do justice to reality. that's your worst political point here is every day that goes on without something is a day that people are hurting too much. at what point do you have to take the deal that's on the table just so something can get done? >> well, absolutely. there is no deal on the table. i mean, mcconnell has put no deal on the table. >> what about those two votes? was that a mistake? >> those two votes back in october, they were called immagsiated. they were that skinny. that's a funny way of talking in the senate. but they did such a minimal amount. i mean anything's better than nothing. i accept that. but it was -- they wanted to just do a minimal amount and

nothing close to 600 a week, nothing for emergency rental systems, nothing for local governments. and they would say, see, we did something, we're done. we want to keep the pressure. the public wants to keep the pressure on them so they do something consequential that will mat tore the american public. and what they were offering mattered so little that we thought and still think that we've got to get something more significant. if mcconnell would talk to us now again instead of just wanting to do judges, we would do something. i think there is a deal out there. pelosi's tried and tried and tried and tried. half the republican caucus in the senate says zero. that's pretty hard to deal. >> senator brown is in ohio, obviously, for those of you who don't know. he's a very recognizable fwig your. one in ten people in his state say their household didn't have enough to heat because of difficulty finding food. that's why i harp on it. >> as you should. as you should. >> covid is not going anywhere.

it seems like it's going to get worse in part of because of our politics. governor dewine, republican in your state has been right on the forefront of dealing with, speaking truth about and getting the state to a better place. the political push back and resistance to wearing a mask, social distancing, having scott atlas that is advising the president even though he knows nothing about a pandemic saying resist. are we going to get into a much worse place before anything gets better? >> i don't know. i know that the many that we're still seeing this fight about masks. you saw it on the senate floor with the senator from alaska. it's just an amazing thing that not wearing a mask has become a sign of being republican. wearing a mask means you're a democrat. every public health official -- imagine if trump -- imagine if trump ten months ago, nine months ago, said, you know, this

is serious. i'm going to tell you the truth. i'm going to treat you like adults. i'm going to wear a mask every day. i'm going to urge all of you to. imagine how different the world would be today. tens of thousands of people would still be alive. kids would be in school in person. businesses wouldn't be shut down. we're still seeing republicans dismiss it like cruz. we're still seeing republicans refuse to wear masks on the senate floor and the house floor in columbus and all kinds of places in between as if that's a sign of strength and manliness and freedom to not wear a mask and protect your fellow men and women. >> you said one thing that is definitely true no matter what party you're win. this time will be remembered. and what people said and didn't say and did and didn't do will be scrutinized in depth. senator sherrod brown, best to you and your family. best to your state. the trump campaign losing one court challenge after

another. never put through any kind of proof to you that this election is worth delaying the transition. no goper has who says that's the way it has to go. it's not stopping rudy giuliani though. he's pleading the president's case in the state that put biden over the top, pennsylvania. we have the top prosecutor from pennsylvania with a look at why these last-minute battles appear doomed. next. sharing smiles together is a gift. at aspen dental, it's easy to gift yourself the smile you deserve. new patients, get started with a comprehensive exam and full set of x-rays with no obligation. and if you don't have insurance, it's free. plus, get 20% off your treatment plan. enjoy flexible payment options and savings when it matters most. we're here to make your smile shine bright so you can start the new year feelin' alright. call 1-800-aspendental 7 days a week or book today at aspendental.com

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. look, if you have proof of a problem in the election you go to court. you make it public. none of that has happened in a way that has compelled anybody except the other members of the trump party. however, we'll see. now, is the president's campaign willing to put up $8 million in wisconsin? because that's what they have to do. pre pay if they want a recount there. meanwhile in pennsylvania, it proves the absurdity of anyone who tells you this president could still win. at the exact same time the state supreme court ruled against the trump campaign that anything

improper was done in terms of letting them observe ballot counters, rudy giuliani was personally pushing the same conspiracy theory in federal court even though campaign has already dropped that claim from the same case he's now arguing. if that doesn't make sense to you, it shouldn't. to help create some perspective, josh shapiro, pennsylvania's attorney general, joins us now. good to see you. >> good to be with you. >> what is the status of the legitimacy of claims by the trump campaign against your state? >> well, i've been telling you for months that they were going to file a bunch of lawsuits and lose a bunch of lawsuits. and that's what has happened here in pennsylvania. right now, they've got this last-ditch effort in federal court in pennsylvania on a relatively narrow issue. and i will tell you that there is no merit for their claims. there is nothing on fraud.

there is nothing on illegal votes. they don't even have standing to bring these claims. sort of law school 101. you would think rudy giuliani would know that. yet here they are trying to manufacture facts to fit a narrative to please the president. and frankly, it is not going to work, as i've been tell you for months. it will not work to overturn the will of the people in pennsylvania. >> do you see any proof with what is being brought before knew litigation that is being echoed in federal court that might lead this case to the supreme court? >> no. and you used the word proof. proof doesn't come in tweets. proof doesn't come in conspiracy theories or press conferences for rudy judge giuliani. proof comes from introducing evidence into a court of law. something they have failed to do at every turn. which is why they've either lost in court or had cases dismiss in

the court over and over and over again. it seems like rudy giuliani and this gang of six elephants has this audience of one. we've got serious issues to deal with. people are literally dying. we need to move forward and drop this manufactured crisis. this manufactured game of fraud that the president wants to play and allow to us get back to the real work that wants to happen in the united states of america today. i would say to rudy and this gang, it's time to move on. >> jake tapper had a clever phase. he called them the gang that couldn't sue straight. a play on the gang that couldn't shoot straight. from playing the line of laugh to cry, when you're in court and you see rudy giuliani doing what he's doing here, the mayor for

america after 9/11. what is your perspective on that? >> chris, it is sad. it's sad to watch someone who america looked the at a time of need, descend into this type of lunacy and conspiracy theory and fear among naerg way that's not helping this country in any way, and is again speaking to really an audience of one. i see a man who is sad. a man who clearly forgot what he learned in law school. and i see a man who has absolutely no evidence to back up the ridiculous claims that his client makes on twitter every day. >> thank you very much for taking time during this tumultuous time to talk to us. all the best to the family. be well. we're always here as a platform for the truth. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. this week at petsmart.

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