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legislator, notorious legislator, powerful, profound, pr prophetic, principled. >> nancy pelosi will be back as speaks. brianna keilar picks up our coverage right now. hi there, i'm brianna keilar, and i want to welcome our viewers here in the united states and around the world. the president has fired his top election security feshl. it official. it's a continuation of scourge and scorched earth. chris krebs gone in a tweet for doing his job and telling the truth. he real estately real estate add statement saying the election was safe and secure. no evidence any votes were deleted, lost, changed or compromised. that flies in the face of the
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false claim it was rigged and dominated by widespread voter fraud that actually was not. some republicans derided trump's fire krebs. in michigan a couple of election officials decided they were going to try to block the outcome refusing at first to certify the vote in wayne county, which is the detroit area. why wayne county? because it went heavily for joe biden. wayne county gave joe biden michig michigan. letting voters be heard, those election officials ultimately relented. >> a lot is a strategy to erode public confidence in what was a well run election and we see this as a battle front not just in michigan but around the country. it's also important we call it out for what it is. these efforts are not successful. the people have spoken. the election has occurred. >> then there's america's mayor turned pathetic punch line, rudy
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giuliani, the president's personal attorney, was in court yesterday arguing a case for the first time in 30 years and it showed. as giuliani represented the trump cam paper in a courtroom in pennsylvania, the federal judge asked him if he was alleging fraud. he said, quote, no, your honor. we are not admitting fraud. then he falsely alleged the election process was fraudulent, which led to the judge responding, perhaps not surprisingly, so you are alleging a fraud. now, that judge noting that giuliani would need evidence to bring a case, not just suspicion. during presentation he name dropped mickey mouse and john f. kennedy and tried to link a nationwide conspiracy to deny donald trump votes, again without a shred of evidence. some noted he seemed rusty, didn't remember basic legal terms when questioned by the judge. the judge asked giuliani what type of scrutiny he should apply
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in the case. there are a handful of ways to respond with boilerplate legal jargon. giuliani's answer, the normal kind of scrutiny is not one of them. that's unwelcome news for president trump whose post election percentage began with firing mark esper, whose loyalty he questioned and didn't agree with pulling some troops out of afghanistan and iraq, an announcement made by esper's replacement on monday. now the president had fired america's top election security official, chris krebs. he did not back up claims that voting machines dumped millions of trump votes. s in fact he refuted them. he was met by a presidential tweet, announcing krebs dismissal on a social media platform just like he did with mark esper, former homeland security director kirstjen niels nielsen.
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joining me, a democrat on the house homeland security committee, co-founder of the congressional cybersecurity caucus. for many of you the writing was on the wall. you said last week it wouldn't surprise you if trump fired chris krebs. what does this signify to you? >> well, it really is a big disappoint. i think chris krebs has done an outstanding job, he and his team, certainly in securing u.s. elections but also doing his best to protect nations and do the -- dot-go v cyber infrastructure. he said yesterday we had the most secure elections in u.s. history. >> do you think the fbi director chris wray will be next? >> unfortunately it just seems the president has a political hit list and he's just going
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down the line and letting good people go. certainly chris krebs case, a person of the highest integrity, who did his job effectively and was not involved in politics either way. he was doing his job effectively for the country and u.s. elections and was let go for speaking truth to power. it seems like those who speak truth to power and are serving for the right reasons are the ones that are being let go. it's really disturbing. it's not the american way. it's not how a u.s. president should be operating. >> what does this mean for safety of americans, this percentage we'purge we're witnessing. >> certainly destabilizing. at a time with so much going on, right now combating coronavirus and government and people are on edge trying to hold things
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together until we get a vaccine and can get through this crisis right now. what we really need is calm and stability. unfortunately president trump is providing anything but calm and stability. it's really unsettling to see what's going on. as far as i'm concerned, joe biden can't get in office soon enough. i certainly send my congratulations out to the next president of the united states. the american people have spoken and we can't have president biden on the job soon enough as far as i'm concerned. >> what are your concerns in the interim here when it comes to vulnerabilities that american adversaries can exploit right now before a new administration takes over? >> that's just it. enemies and adversaries are always looking for ways to get an advantage over us. one of the problems, of course, with cybersecurity and chris krebs understands this as well as anyone, cybersecurity and
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cyber effects an operations are in what's called the area, gray zone conflict. below the threshold of armed conflict. where an enemy and adversary can do things to weaken us and may not cross that red line, per se, but it is damaging enough that it weakens u.s. national security and puts us at risk. so we need the very best people right now on the job doing the job, all hands on deck and making sure that in a timely transition that an enemy and adversary can't be operating in the gray zone or looking for ways to take advantage and weaken america. >> congressman, thanks for being here. we really appreciate you coming on the show. >> thank you. >> in wayne county, michigan, where detroit area voters delivered the state for joe biden, republican members of the canvassing board have dropped their attempt to block the certification of the votes that would have made joe biden's
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victory in michigan official. why? in short, they faced a ton of opposition. >> when you look at the nation, you look at the cities of philadelphia, look at the city of atlanta, look at the city of detroit, michigan, look at black cities, you have extracted a black city out of a county and said the only one at issue is the city of detroit where 80% of the people who reside here are african-americans. shame on you. shame on you for leading to this level of corruption. you have disavowed your right to sit in the seat that you occupy. >> i'm joined now by cnn contributor and professor of law at the university of texas school of law steve vladik. they gave up this effort, but what did it mean they attempted this in the first place. >> brianna, i think it's just another sign of all of the ways
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in which we are seeing the normalization of anti-democratic behavior. you have two republican county canvassers saying we're going to block certification only of detroit, not of the entire county, even though there's no evidence of fraud, even though there's no evidence of anything other than normal, marginal discrepancies we see in any large election. i think that's what's so alarming to me. it's not that any of this is going to change the bottom line here. joe biden is going to be sworn in on january 20th. it's what happened the next time we have a closer election, say an election that comes down to one state. look at what we're now seeing all across the country as somehow appropriate behavior by local officials? >> so what needs to be done to then? they did give up. if they haven't and in the future something proceeds farther than this did, what needs to be in place? >> yeah, i mean, it's a tough question, brianna. it's a conversation we ought to
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be having at the national level. there are two different tracks here. one is the legal track about whether congress as it has the power to do should be imposing more uniform rules for certifying the results of federal elections, elections for federal officers for the presidency. brianna, the other is a political conversation about whether, you know, when an entire political party has basically adopted a creed where even if we don't agree with the president about the allegations of fraud and widespread misconduct, we're not going to distance ourselves from that. i don't know how we reverse that. i don't know how we talk people off that ledge. i think, you know, these two things are related. it's why when the president keeps bringing these lawsuits, whether in pennsylvania or michigan or georgia, and the lawsuits go nowhere as all the lawyers expect them to, he's still talking about how this is somehow proof the result was rigged. i don't know how we convince the 52% of republicans in a reuters poll, who believe the election
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really was stolen, that it wasn't since there's no evidence in support of that claim. >> so i wonder, i know that you're following rudy giuliani, the president's personal attorney as he is leading his post election legal fight. he was in a pennsylvania court yesterday. he made several unsubstantiated claims. even he admitted he wasn't alleging voter fraud. the cases don't seem to have much merit. what are they doing? >> it's a combination of a lack of merit. and i think even where there are claims that have some teeth, not a real impact. the bottom line, the best thing the trump campaign won in court so far, a rule observers in philadelphia had to be 6 feet from counters as opposed to 10 feet, that's not going to close the margins. what it really drives home is this administration is not making a good effort to reverse in court, it's trying to perpetuate political narrative
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that all these sinister forces are lined up against the president, as opposed to increasing fact that he lost. >> it's a device. >> it's a device. it's a rhetorical device. i think it's a fundraising device. i think the real question is who is going to be the folks to stand up and say, no, this is inappropriate behavior even by members of my party. this dovetails with prior segment about the firing of chris krebs. chris krebs, a trump administration appointee who had the courage to stand up and say this is what actually happened on election day. election day went well. there were no election security problems. he lost his job for it. there are too few chris krebs in our country right now, especially among the leadership of the republican political party. >> i want to ask you about that. how damaging is it to the election system that you have a dhs official who is fired, or is there a flip side to look at this? he stood up and he spoke the
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truth. >> brianna, i think it's a tough call. the reality is i always looked at someone like chris krebs as a canary in the coal mine. having him in that job, having someone in whom we have faith to be a straight shooter was a good sign nothing truly nefarious or malicious going on. on the one hand it's great to see folks like that willing to risk their careers in this case to tell the truth. on the other hand, the more the president fires those folks and suffers no political ramifications for doing so, the harder to find similarly minded folks to take those jobs in the future, the less we can hope that the president is actually being meaningfully checked and constrained from within. to tie these threats together, the more it leads to this cycle where this anti-democratic behavior even by local republican officials becomes increasingly tolerated at the national level. it's not going to change the bottom line this time around but what about next time? >> steve, thank you for your
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small in-person gatherings to the one in washington. now thanksgiving is just a week away and as deaths mount, hospitals are overwhelmed. president trump is actually hindering the nation's recovery by refusing to allow the transition of the president-elect's team to access key information specifically for vaccine distribution. just listen to rick breit who was ousted from his government position as vaccine chief and then resigned citing the trump administration's disregard for scientific expertise. breit is now an adviser to president-elect biden. >> we haven't had any official contact between the transition team coming in and the current administration. it is really setting us back. we don't want to have to step back, rewrite a plan, fix the communication gap or do anything. we want to keep running as quickly and efficiently as possible to make sure americans can get the vaccine so they
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become available. >> now to specifics on pfizer's vaccine candidate. the company announcing via news release its vaccine is 95% effective with no serious safety concerns, of the 170 trial participants who came down with covid, 10 got severely sick. of those only one was taking the vaccine. the others were taking a placebo. pfizer says it could file for emergency use authorization within days. let's talk about all of this now with dr. lena wen, former health commissioner for baltimore. what stood out to you. >> i thought these were incredibly promising, beyond my wildest expectations. they said they would green light if across 50th percentile for efficacy. the most effective vaccine we have, measles is 97% effective. to have something 95% effective
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is incredible. they found it appears to be effective in severe disease, preventing people from getting hospitalized and maybe even dying. another result that was important, it appears to be effective in older individuals who often have trouble mounting an immune response to various vaccines. it's 94% effective, they said, for older individuals. so we do need to wait for the final results to come out. of course we need to wait for the fda to approve this vaccine, but so far very promising, which means all of us have to hang in there this winter until we can get to the spring to get the vaccine. that's why we keep on having to do masking, physical distancing. we can make it through this winter. >> so what we're waiting for now, the stuff we know is top line stuff. press release stuff. they are giving us top line on how effective it is. now we do know something about
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severity in people who did get the vaccine. there's still a lot of information that doctors like yourself want to see. they are not going to see that until this big data packet goes to fda or sometime after that when that becomes available for you to see. what can change in between there. could something change to take what seems like really good news to then raise some red flags about these vaccines? >> in theory, yes, because there is going to continue to be a surveillance of the individuals who got the vaccines and the placebo. so we're still going to be following these individuals to see whom is going to get covid-19, are there any serious side effects not reported yet but may be reported. although it is important to note that pfizer says they have crossed the two-month threshold for looking at safety data. most of these serious side effects come up in that 60-day period. things could come up. now we also have to look at the challenges and distribution, because i'm really worried about
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president trump is using last ditch legal challenges in order to raise questions about the legitimacy of joe biden's wins -- win i should say. some republicans are not only standing by trump, they are bending over backwards to support his efforts. in michigan republicans temporarily blocked certification of votes. this was based on dubious claims of voting irregularities in detroit. they did reverse that decision in the face of overwhelming opposition. trump's allies in the senate are sending mixed signals. they are standing by the president publicly, attempting to interfere in state's elections while also greeting incoming vice president kamala harris with a peculiar level of warmth that suggests something beyond a simple howdy to another senator, some even congratulating her on the floor of the senate. let's take a look at republican senator lindsey graham. while they will not recognize
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president-elect biden, republican senators tim scott, james langford, mike and ben sasse offered congratulations to harris. i'm joined by cnn chief correspondent dana bash. i should point out he told manu raju he wasn't congratulating senator harris, he was saying hello. you know this, you look at the floor of the senate more than the ample bear. you know while i'm sure people say hello to each other, she's being greeted with a different kind of level than she would be normally. >> look, there is not one republican in that chamber that doesn't know that the jig is up, who doesn't know that when they are fist bumping kamala harris, they are fist bumping the next vice president of the united states of america. that's just the reality.
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there isn't anybody who would take truth serum or talk privately who wouldn't admit that. that is a different question that what they feel they need to do in public to manage president trump. i use the word "manage" intentionally because what you have seen lindsey graham and so many other republicans in congress who have refused to acknowledge that president-elect biden is as such, because they want to be in a position that they are perceived by the president as somebody in the trenches with him so that they feel when it is time to tell him it's over, sir, they have credibility with him. the question is, why go as far as they are, which is what you were alluding to in the lead in. why go as far as calling on wisconsin and michigan and never mind what's going on in georgia to change things and not allow
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things to play out. the answer i get in talking to republicans is to have more credibility with the base and therefore have more credibility with the president. but you know, history will look back on this and have a giant question mark as to whether or not they took managing the president and getting him to a place where he doesn't disrupt even more than he already has during this transition period even more. >> yeah. maybe managing him. i think you explain it and the calculus makes sense. it doesn't mean it isn't also enabling what he's doing. >> absolutely. >> trying to delegitimatize the election, the actual election of joe biden, dana, is hunkered down in the white house. he's making policy decisions. he's stopped governing when it comes to coronavirus but making decisions. yesterday the acting secretary of defense announce add troop drawdown in afghanistan and iraq. why is he doing this now?
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>> because he can. it's not as if this is a president shackled by what is right or what is just or what is politically expedient if he were to be the president of everybody not just focused on the base. but even for him, who never felt that kind of pressure, unfortunately, probably, for a lot of people who felt he didn't speak for or to them, he's even more so now. that is why obviously there is a lot of concern. and you're exactly right, brianna. managing is one side of the coin. enabling is another. obviously a more dangerous side of that coin. and that is why i posed the question at what point does that go too far? at what point does it not matter
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right now. let's bring in cnn's adrian broaddus. she's live for us in chicago where the governor has announced tougher new rules to control the spread. this is called the tier 3 plan, adrian. tell us what this is. >> brianna, it is a plan the governor hopes will be enough to stop the spread of the coronavirus. so starting on friday we're going to see some big changes. these are the things that will shut down. museums, casinos, theaters, banquet halls. grocery stores will remain open but must operate at 50% capacity. indoor fitness classes will no longer be allowed starting friday. gyms can remain open but must reduce their capacity to 25%. this as illinois, much like the rest of the country, is seeing a spike in deaths and hospitalizations. let's take rush university medical center, for example, in chicago. that hospital has transformed
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kentucky is one of several states stepping up restrictions in order to slow the spread of coronavirus. governor is set to announce new measures and the reason why is quite clear when you look at this uptick in new cases. for one small business owner in louisville, he's hoping that means another shutdown. joining us now is jeremy johnson. he's the owner of metta bar in louisville, kentucky. jeremy, thank you for coming on to talk with us about this. you are calling on the governor to, in your words, do the right thing. tell us, as a small business owner. >> thanks for having me. >> no, of course, we appreciate it. why is a small business owner --
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we've heard from a lot of people who don't want to shut down. tell us why you want to, why you feel this is something that needs to come from the governor. >> this is a two-pronged issue. first and foremost the virus is very obviously completely out of control. we've seen a drastic rise from anything we've seen in cases and i understand that treatment is improving. but at the moment, we have no control over how fast this spreading and people don't seem to be doing the right thing. secondly, he's got us kind of between a rock and a hard place. we've got restricted hours. we've got restricted capacity, and we're all limping along. he's also actively asking people to stay home. he's emploring kentuckyans to stay home, the majority of kentucky. what this does is puts us in an impossible position. we're limping along making almost no money but also we basically have to stay open because the bills are still
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coming. with a mandatory shutdown, not only can we curb the spread of the virus but we are more likely to be able to get some aid and stay alive as what is it like for you, for your employees, as you are encountering people who are willing to go out in person to design or for drinks. what is it like? the vast majority are great customers, they understand the rules. but you have to a governor continuing to tell people to stay home, there are two americas. there are people who take the virus seriously and people whont are who don't thing it's much to worry about. when you have a governor imploring people to stay home, you get a lot of people who don't believe the virus is something we should by concerned about. i'll say that at least 5 to 15
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times a day, we'll have people walk through the door without a mask on when there's a giant sign on the door that specifically says no entrance without a mask. that first impression can be very frustrating. we also have people who get frustrated when we make last call at 11:00. we have people who don't take the rules seriously and wonder why we're following the rules. it can be very frustrating, not only when they walk through the door without a mask are we immediately more at risk, about but you know, this job is a different job as it is. all we want is for our guests to be happy and our employees to be safe. it's a very different position to be in. >> we know you're going through a lot. this is a very hard time for americans, such a hard time for small business owners. i just want to say thanks for coming on and sharing your thoughts with us. >> thank you so much.
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democracy, he's attacking real americans. debra jean christianson is a registered voter. last week the trump campaign and fox news host tucker carlson falsely claim her vote was fraudulent, saying she died last week. well, there is a debra jean christianson who passed away, but it isn't her. the vote was legally passed by a woman who is very much alive, and happens to share her name. they were both born in the same year and month, but on a different day. cnn's amara walker is following this for us. cnn spoke with debra jean christianson yesterday, tell us what she said about all of this? >> reporter: well, she said she had no idea her name was being used to spread false claims of voter fraud by the trump campaign, but she was taking all of this in stride, though he did say, look, this is ridiculous and not surprised that the trump campaign would resort to this. she also admitted she voted for trump in 2016, but over the past
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four years she's become disillusioned by his presidency, including his handling of the pandemic, so in 2020 this presidential election, she said she voted for joe biden. now, the claim from the trump campaign is that debra jean christianson, who lived in fulton county and died in 2019, registered to vote on october 5th, and then allegedly voted in this presidential election. yes, this woman in fulton county is indeed dead, but there is no record whatsoever of anyone trying to register to vote on october 5th under that name, or trying to vote under that name. this has been confirmed by the fulton county elections office. now, another woman, with the same name, and as you mentioned, brianna, with the same birth year, who lives in cobb county that we spoke with, is indeed alive, and she did indeed registered to vote on october
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5th and cast her ballot, early voting on october 28th. so it's not clear if the two, the deceased and living, were intentionally or unintentionally mixed up. we reached out to the trump campaign, haven't received any comment yesterday. fox news tucker carlson sent a statement basically admitting that they've learn some of the dead voters are in fact alive, but carlson maintained that dead voters voted in the election, even though three out of the four claims of georgians voting while dead, have proven to be false, brianna. >> well, he just generally doesn't know what he's talking about. amara, thank you. hello, i am brianna keilar. i want to welcome our viewers here in the united states and around the world.
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at the president has fired this top election official, a continuation, and the scorched-earth policy he's implemented since lieus. chris krebs gone. he released a statement recently -- no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes or was in any way compromised. that flies in the face of the president's false claim that the election was rigged and dominated by widespread voter fraud that actually was not. >> chris crebs said the election was secure. so i think that's all feeds why he's in there and there's a loyalty purge going on in the last month in the white house. >> in
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