longer time that we wait, the shorter the transition and the more risks for both national security and the coronavirus response. >> kristen holmes, thank you. don't miss full circle, our digital news show that digs into important topics, in depth conversations you might not hear on a nightly program. the news continues right now. i want to hand it over to chris for "cuomo prime time." i am chris cuomo. welcome to "prime time." listen to this. covid is now killing at least one of us every minute in america. think of that. and now comes what? the holidays. every mill i second that the trumpers give life to these tan trumps, these deranged conspiracy claims that only rudy giuliani would spew in open court, with every moment wasted on this farce, another one of us is gasping for their last

breaths. we suffered this long enough, and what makes it worse is that you guys actually chose someone to do it better. and your choice, that person, joe biden, is being kept by the trumpers from doing what we need him to do. >> we should be further along. there's a whole lot of things that are just -- we just don't have available to us, which unless it's made available soon, we're going to be behind by weeks or months being able to put together the whole initiative relating to the biggest promise we have. >> we celebrate that a vaccine may be available, but that's the guy who will be on watch to make the distribution happen, and trump won't let him learn anything about the process. how can he be about america first when he's guaranteeing that we will be last in terms of our preparedness? we're in a pandemic, and the

health and human services department won't share vital information on this virus. they've been told not to respond but to take it up the food chain. and guess what? the hhs secretary didn't even deny it today. in fact, he defended it. listen. >> we've made it very clear that when gsa makes a determination, we will ensure complete cooperative, professional transitions and planning. but that's -- we follow the guidance. we're about getting vaccines and therapeutics invented and get the clinical trial data and saving lives here. that's where our focus is. >> focus is on saving lives, but you've been largely inactive during a pandemic. and now that operation warp speed -- bravo. it worked. putting the money in was worth the risk. we have one, maybe two vaccines. one came from the operation. one didn't. but now we need to figure out how to distribute it. you know it won't be on your watch, and you're not going to

help the people who will have to make it happen? and you think you're about saving lives? you're going to kill more people by facilitating these tan trumps. that's what they are. it's a revenge blockade of a transition. biden's victory is about to be further solidified. nothing else is going to happen. georgia is on the cusp of announcing its election audit results. and the secretary of state there, a republican, says it will confirm biden's win. we'll see. trump team lawsuits are being laughed out of court. they're in their third iteration in pennsylvania of the same tripe. a federal judge actually canceled an evidentiary hearing. they said, you don't even have enough proof to argue if there's proof. rudy giuliani appeared in court yesterday, had no evidence of the fraud allegation. he literally attached news articles as proof. and when pushed, said, this is not a fraud suit. then what is it? the play is obvious. it's not about justice.

it's about just us, the trumpers, and getting enough political stink to create pressure to hope that a state legislature that is republican-dominated will steal the vote and give it to handpicked lectelectors to be faithless and vote for trump anyway. that's their play. just think about wanting to do that and how heinous that is as even a suggestion, with no proof to motivate it except proof of your own perfidy, that you have no faith in your own duty. that's the reality that we're watching. some of the last remaining stimulus programs for the unemployed during this pandemic, made unemployed by the pandemic, are set to expire by the end of next month. you see any action about that? you see anything? the election is over, but the fight of our lives is only intensifying. and the only attention we're seeing from those in power on

the right is to forward trump's endless vanity. let's bring in david gregory and michael smerconish. gentlemen, thank you. smerc, on the legal side, you're aware of the latest iteration. one, very unusual for a district court to entertain a third iteration a lawsuit that has been rejected twice. the other one says a million and a half ballots in a county shouldn't be counted. proof, see attached, and there's news articles. how does this size up in your state on the federal side? >> there's been a disconnect so far between the president's twitter feed and that which has these specious allegations of widespread fraud, but no evidence of that has been introduced anywhere, including in the middle district of pennsylvania federal court, where mayor giuliani appeared yesterday. and to your point, chris, rudy seemed unaware of what the then

latest iteration was of the complaint. for example, all this talk about oversight of the counting of ballots in philadelphia is not something that was then before the court, and he had to be told so. i think you're right in terms of identifying the play. there's a process here. it's tabulation. it's certification. it's electoral college, and then it's congressional acceptance. and it is a flat-out attack now, without any foundation, to try and get state legislatures to refuse to go along with the certification phase even though there's not been any offering thus far to justify the request. >> you think it works in pennsylvania? >> absolutely not. it will never work in pennsylvania for not the least of which reason is you can't go back and change the rules in terms of how you're going to slate the electoral college representatives, the electors, after the fact. had they tried to change the rules before the election,

arguably there would be a shot. but you can't go back after the result is already in and say, now we'd like to alter the way in which we choose those individuals. no way. >> david, true or false? we are looking at our future. trump doesn't go away. he loses. the institution stands strong enough, but the republicans are too tied to that base, too in on riding trump, worried about trump, they just oppose biden like they did with president obama and then some. >> yeah. i mean i think kevin mccarthy gave up the game pretty clearly. the minority leader in the house in an interview with jonathan martin of "the new york times" because jonathan asked him, well, don't you think that the temperature cools a little bit with biden coming into office? and mccarthy says, well, it depends how it all ends. he said, if 70% of republicans believe that biden cheated, then he's going to have a hard time. well, the obvious reality to that is that's what's being

stoked by the president and his allies. so they are stepping back, allowing trump to peddle nonsense so that more and more republicans think, yeah, you know what? this thing is rigged. he's right. and biden is an illegitimate president. that's the game that's being played. that's why this is so dangerous and why in the context of the pandemic, it's so shameful. now, we have to acknowledge that this is not new. we have been in a cycle now of a generation politically where one side delegitimizes the other, and there's no question that there were millions and still are millions of democrats who don't think that donald trump is legitimate. and so the cycle is repeating. but it's so dangerous because it's eroding what little trust people had in institutions. >> michael, can we slash do we get to a better place? >> i think we get to a better

place when we get through the certification phase. i'm not sure exactly what the president will say. i'm also not sure -- call me naive -- that the base hangs with him absent some evidentiary finding. but i'm mindful of the fact, chris, that you go back to 2016, and you think about donald trump standing on that debate stage. there were so many individuals running, that there was a junior varsity, and he was able in the new hampshire primary with 35% of the vote to begin that path toward winning the nomination. my point is if he comes out of this with his reputation intact among republicans, he'd be unstoppable to win the nomination in 2024. >> didn't you just answer your own question? he's going to come out with his reputation unstained because it can't be stained. he is the teflon don for them. he is a symbol more than he is significant in terms of his words and deeds. he's going to come out unscathed and looking like a victim. so didn't you answer your own

question? he doesn't go away. the base does stay with him, and he may be the man going into 2024 unless he wants to make it his daughter. >> but i go back to david's point, right? which is to say in any other sclie climate at any other time, this would be a very interesting intellectual argument. but we're dealing with a pandemic, and i have to believe people are taking a look at this and saying, there are no events on his calendar. his activities as far as we understand them are to sit there and tweet grievances. it's like festiveus all day long instead of handing over the football to the biden administration, getting ready for vaccine distribution. that death count, i would think, is going to be an albatross. >> festivus, seinfeld reference, except instead of being a holiday for the rest of us, it's festivus he celebrates, and he skri screws the rest of us. david, your take. >> i think republicans would like to be free of trump. and they can't. they're too afraid politically because of what michael's saying

and you're saying. he's a force. even outside of the white house, everything goes through him because he's got this base of support, and he's trying to build this idea that somehow he was unfairly deposed, for which there is no evidence. but i think that is the question because, yes, republicans would like to be free of trump, but they recognize that trumpism and that impact on the republican party is durable. he's actually changed the party, and that's what populists do. how that runs its course, we don't know. but that's -- that's the big challenge for the party, and it's an additional challenge for biden because people rejected trump at some level. they did not stand squarely behind the democratic party, and that's going to be hanging over biden as he tries to lead. >> after turkey day, do you think biden needs to knuckle up and become fightin' joe biden again and say, enough of this.

i want in? >> i think so. i think he's got to calibrate it. i think he's done a good job so far. i think he's had a pretty good feel for how to approach trump throughout this season, the election season and now the post-election season. he's acting like a president. he's not just trying to get into the ring with the guy. he's just putting pressure on, putting pressure on. >> i hear you. >> more republicans in their own feeble way are coming around. but, yeah, i think, you know, a couple more weeks and they're going to have to amp it up. and, again, it will be in the context of the virus. >> that's what i'm saying. michael, i totally agree with everything that david says. that's why i call you guys on the phone so much to figure out what to say on my show. what i'm saying is we've watched the gop become the trump party. we've watched them willingly be complicit in ignoring the pandemic and doing the minimum. and now the idea that david says some are coming around, i don't see it. and biden is a commander in

chief-elect during a pandemic. doesn't that give him the mandate, the wherewithal to say, look, we can't wait for him to get over it. these tantrumps are killing the rest of us. get out of the way. >> i think he has no choice but to do exactly that. but in terms of whether more republicans will break fold and bring pressure to bear on the white house, i think republicans are aware that donald trump increased his raw number of votes as compared to four years ago. they gained seats in the house arguably. we don't know until january 5th. the senate remains in republican hands. the gubernatorial mansion in montana shifted to the rs, and more state legislatures were won by republicans. so it's easy to look at the pandemic and for us to say, this is god awful. but there's a political calculus where they are deathly afraid of trump because of the control that he exerts on the party. >> they wound up doing that well

despite the pandemic. now, a little bit of that is because the democrats have to learn that in this new binary world of left and right, they have their own concerns about fringe, and people have concerns about that. but, david, think of that. we did this on paper, and you and i wasted a lot of italian food watching this election in 2016 and watching everything we thought might happen and then some. you did this during a pandemic. you won seats against the democrats. you probably hold on to the senate. and you got more votes than you did in 2016. why change now? >> right. and that's the key point. we can't forget, even though people disapproved overall of his handling of the virus, there's still a lot of people who look up and say, you know, because people nonsensically have created masks as some kind of politically divisive issue. they say, look, we're getting a vaccine faster than ever. this could have happened to anybody. and, yeah, this is bad, and it's bad all over the world.

but the real problem today is what dr. fauci talks about. you need a uniform standard. the virus is going crazy around the country, and you have a state-by-state approach. that's not what you need. the virus travels. there's got to be a uniform approach. that's what's been lost, and that's the easy thing for republicans to fall back on now saying, you know, the states have their own plans. and you see what's happening in your city, in new york today, over the schools. i mean it's really, really messy, and that's why everybody's got to be onboard. the idea that biden can't talk to fauci, i mean there's enough people in the country who hear that who say, that just doesn't make sense. it doesn't make sense. it's not safe. >> smerc, last word. >> last word is as the dust settles, this was a referendum on donald trump. he lost that referendum. but voters were not prepared to hand a blank check to joe biden and the democrats. >> that's a good last word. david gregory, michael smerconish, thank you very much for helping the audience

tonight. appreciate you. all right. look, what do we know by all these votes for trump and even a legendary amount of votes against him? division. we've always had them. it's easy in america to play with us, right? everybody here is different. we're all knitted together by common cause. when you start messing with that, we get fragile fast. that's what's happened here. and they're not going to disappear. so given this election, how do you move forward? how fragile are we? how difficult is it for the biden/harris administration? bernie sanders, major voice in the country. no matter where you are on the spectrum, you listen to him. what does he see as the state of play and the chance of progress? next. how about no no uh uh, no way come on, no no n-n-n-no-no only discover has no annual fee on any card.

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forward even within his own party. there is a liberal wing. was there a message of rejection of that wing in this party? now, what does that mean for how he harnesses the power of the best in his party? that takes us to independent vermont senator bernie sanders. good to have you back on the show. >> good to be with you, chris. >> senator, i hope the family is well. let's start micro, and then we'll go macro. on the micro, this talk that, hey, bernie sanders should be in the biden cabinet, that's what he wants. is that true? >> well, look, i want to do everything i can to protect working families in this country who in many ways are living in terrible desperation right now. and if i can do it in the senate, that's great. if i can do it within the biden administration, that's great as well. >> do you have a preference? is there a position that would take you from the senate,

because we all know if you leave your position in the senate, you you've got a republican senator who gets to fill the seat. >> well, the republican governor has indicated he would appoint someone who would caucus with the democrats. i think that resolves that issue. i think something like secretary of labor would be a very attractive position. it would give me the opportunity to fight to raise the minimum wage to a living wage. equal pay for equal work for women. it would give me the opportunity to make sure that workers who are entitled to overtime pay get that overtime pay, that workers get pensions that have been taken away from them, that we help workers organize into unions so they can earn decent wages through collective bargains, et cetera, et cetera. there is a lot of work to be done in the department of labor. >> address the argument that what we saw in the election was, yes, trump was rejected. but there was a record amount of votes for him, and part of that message was we want somebody other than trump, but don't go too far to the left.

we don't want that either. it scares us, and that's why he got so many votes so that bernie sanders and that part of the wing, in careful on that. >> well, i don't quite agree with that needless to say. my understanding is that over 100 candidates for congress ran in support of medicare for all, something that i strongly believe in and has got to take place if we're going to deal with our dysfunctional and cruel health care system. you know how many of those candidates lost, chris? the answer is zero. something like 98 candidates ran on a green new deal. one of them lost. i would say really to answer your question, that we have too many democrats who are not giving their constituents a real choice in the sense of telling them that they are prepared to stand up in a very strong way.

>> mm-hmm. >> for working families and take on very powerful special interests today who are doing phenomenally well while ordinary people are suffering. so i think what we need is to move the democratic party in a direction we're not in right now. right now, let's be honest about it. donald trump has won a strong majority of working-class people in this country. now, you know enough about the democratic party, that 40 or 50 years ago, that would have been a laughable idea. am i right? sq >> absolutely. >> yet that's where we are today, and why is that? and the answer is i think that ordinary people out there in rural america and all parts of america do not see a party that says to the insurance companies and the drug companies, stop ripping off the american people, who are demanding -- a democratic party that is demanding that at a time of massive wealth, the billionaires are going to start paying their fair share of taxes. we're going to make it easier for kids to go to college, et

cetera, et cetera. i think you need a party that makes it very clear which side they're on. democrats have not necessarily done that. >> we go from inside the party, not outside. here's the big problem. if we learn anything from what we're seeing right now, it's that thank god the institution seemed to stand up even against a president. so far, so good. but his party is in his pocket, and they're not going anywhere. and you may see even worse than what you dealt with with the republican senate under obama. and you won't get to do any of the things that you want to do, and biden is going to be forced to find areas of agreement which are going to have to be center at best. what about that proposition? >> i don't accept that proposition, chris. i think if we come out strong from day one, standing up and making it clear that we have proposals to benefit working families, and if we are prepared to go into those states, to tell

those republican senators, you're not going to vote for a strong covid-19 package which protects workers? guess what? we're heading into your state. we're going to explain it to the people in your state. now, we don't know the results in georgia will be. but it is going to be a very, very tight senate, and i think we can put pressure on individual republicans to do the right thing by talking to the constituents in their own state when we have clear proposals, raising the minimum wage, expanding health care, making public colleges and universities tuition-free. you make that clear, i think the people in those states will put pressure on their republican senators. >> here's the starting point of the battleground. rubio, ted cruz says, listen, god love bernie sanders, but we've had two votes in the last couple of months. $500 billion relief packages, never enough for these people. so now they're going to blame us for all these people waiting in food lines. we wanted to give them

$500 billion. it's never enough. they won't take something. they'd rather take nothing. can you win the argument? >> of course we can win the argument. and the argument is we're living sadly, tragically, in an unprecedented moment in american history. never been a moment like this with this pandemic. a quarter of a million people now dead, an economic downturn the likes of which we have not seen since the great depression. chris, there are people watching this program who don't have any food in the cupboard to feed their kids. if we're going to restore faith with ordinary americans -- and i think that's enormously important because i think when you have a demagogue like trump and others, the way any do well is when people give up on government, don't think government hears their pain. we have got to stand up for those people no matter what cruz or rubio may say, and say, we're with you. yeah, we're going to extend that $600 a week unemployment supplement. yeah, you're going to have food on the table for your kids. yes, you're going to get at least a $2,000 a month check to

get you over this crisis right now. i think the american people understand that we have to act boldly and they support that. >> and the $500 billion wasn't enough for that? >> no, it was not. look, you've got states. you've got cities. you've got towns that are facing bankruptcy right now because of declining revenue. you've got hospitals today that are overwhelmed, can't care for the patient who's are coming in with covid-19. we need an extremely bold package that addresses the crises facing america. what is enough is addressing the crisis. it's not a monetary amount. it's making sure that the people in this country have enough to feed their kids with, that they're not evicted from their apartments, that they have a job to go to. >> bernie, are you guys ready for this fight? do you think your party comes together and has galvanized purpose the way we have seen magically manifest in the trump party? i mean these guys will swallow

tripe and repeat and mindlessly look by during these tantrumps like nothing i've ever seen. >> no, that's right, chris. >> the single-mindedness, they're all in. can you guys combat that? >> well, i don't want to emulate the republican party. >> can you beat them? >> i don't want the democratic party to become a cult of the individual. the point you make is a very important point. what we have seen -- i could not believe it. you have a republican party which has virtually collapsed and become a cult following the whims of a president of the united states. how do you have a party where very few elected republicans are even prepared to acknowledge joe biden's victory? that's pretty crazy stuff. but if you're asking me do i think the democratic party is prepared to stand up and fight back right now? yeah, i do think that they are. >> but that would require not a cult of personality, of course, but do you think the party will be behind biden and what he

does, that people can, you know, be on the same page within the party because if you're not, you got no chance against unified opposition. >> well, it's not a question of what biden does. it's how we all work together around an agenda. biden supports in his campaign, and i know he will come forward with an effort to raise the minimum wage to 15 bucks an hour. equal pay for equal work. do i think we're going to have united support for those ideas? sure. biden wants to invest $2 trillion to combat climate change and in the process create millions of good-paying jobs and energy efficiency and sustainable energies. do i think the caucus will support that? absolutely. so i think, you know, the proposals that biden campaigned on during the campaign -- and as you may know, we have some task forces that worked with the biden campaign to help work out those ideas. they are strong proposals. they are progressive proposals. if he brings them forward, yeah, i do think the democratic caucus will be behind those. >> obviously the first set of

options is easy. you got to get us through the pandemic. the need is so great. i think this is going to be a fight unlike any i've ever seen in my lifetime. senator bernie sanders, you are certainly going to be a big part of it. thank you for being on this show. you're always welcome to make the case. god bless you and the family. >> thank you very much, chris. >> all right, senator. now, part of the pain, schools. how many times have i shared your frustration that what's happening in schools sucks? it doesn't seem to make sense that nobody does it the same way. in one case everybody goes home. they don't know when they're coming back. the teachers are worried. they can't teach in these weird classes. all the problems go on and on. now they're getting worse. the nation's largest public school system is going all remote again in new york city. why? covid test positivity has spiked. why do i have it in quotes? what does spiked mean? why is this the best way? why don't we ever develop better ways when nobody likes the

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the numbers blur, right? 250,000 americans' lives lost. does that mean enough? can't see it in the sign of people's desperation to do better. can't see it in the sign of our leaders working to turn things around. and we all know deaths are a lagging indicator, right? we start to hear that people are dying more, all the pain that has preceded it a reflection of the people who were infected two to three weeks ago. hospitals overrun. when new cases were averaging around 70,000 to 80,000 a day, that's when the calls went out of what needed to be done.

we don't do it. you don't do it. i don't do it. we don't do it enough. now we're literally making ourselves sick. the hardest hit, okay? those states are where gop governors have followed trump's lead. this is not about right and left. it's about being reasonable. this pandemic, the virus, is the truth. everything it does is pure and true. it gets all of us sick. it doesn't give a damn what you think or who you vote for. and all of us now know we're headed the wrong way. new york city, the largest school district in the country is closing down indefinitely because of rising rates. the chief doctor, sanjay gupta, is here to discuss with me. i like to do it this way, brother. i'd like to do it with what seems like good news, maybe good news, and i'm not sure it's good news. first the good news. rapid at-home test has been approved by the fda. is this a game-changer? >> um, i think so. i mean these rapid at-home tests

are a big deal. the issue is with this particular one that you're talking about, i think we have some pictures of it, but it requires a machine. you need to get a prescription, i think, for the various reagents or swabs, and i don't know they're going to have enough of these machines, a common problem, until sort of the first quarter of next year. but fundamentally, chris, you and i have been talking about testing from the start. the idea that you could have rapid, accurate, at-home testing, that you don't need to send to a lab, don't need a machine, and that's actionable, that can basically tell you the question you're really trying to answer, are you contagious -- if we could get to that point, and i think we can, those tests do exist, i think that would be huge. we just haven't invested in that. this test will be a big deal, but we don't have enough of them yet, chris? >> what's the cabbage factor? how much money? >> i mean the machine itself, my understanding, is around 50 bucks. the issue -- the slowdown is really around the manufacturing of these things.

i mean if we had invoked, for example, the defense production act around the first anti jen test that had been authorized, and i'm talking about in may, june time frame, we could be in a very position now. every day or couple of days, you and your family could test yourself in the morning while you're brushing your teeth, putting in your contacts, whatever. within 15 minutes, you have a result, an actionable piece of data. they aren't perfect tests, but if they're applied as broadly as they could be around the country, they would make a huge difference. >> will we price out people who have to worry the most already? so it's the 50 bucks, and then there's a vig on the materials you would need for every time you want to test. will it become expensive in a way that you just can't afford it? >> well, it could be. i mean, you know, the binax test that i'm describing, these antigen tests are 5 bucks a piece. if you're doing it frequently, obviously that cost adds up. you're adding it for your whole family, it's a significant cost. >> and no insurance. >> and right now, i mean, what

happened was the government essentially bought 150 million of these tests for $750 million, and they are giving them out to areas that they think need them, some nursing homes, school districts and things like that. >> not enough. >> for the average person out there, it's still a cost, and it's not covered by insurance. >> so let's skip through these things real fast. the 95% effective for pfizer. good news, comma, but -- what's the biggest but? >> i think there's two big question marks i have. one is how long does it last? you get the shot, and it sounds like from the data that the company has released, it's very effective at preventing people from getting sick with covid. the vast majority of people who got sick in this trial were in the placebo group. you can see that's where the 95% number comes from, 162 versus 8. how long does it last? is this going to be a seasonal thing, a yearly thing like a flu shot? it's possible because we do know the immunity may have months of half-life. the other question is basically

does it actually prevent infection? that may sound like an obvious thing. we know it prevents people from getting sick and even severely sick according to their data. but does it actually prevent people from getting infected? does it keep them from transmitting the virus? remember, chris, people who don't even have symptoms can transmit the virus. >> the last one i left because i'm too personally invested. the school thing bothers me, sanjay. just tell the audience why this 3% thing is okay. the percentage in new york schools is not 3%. it's about half that. but because the overall percentage is 3%, they're going to shut down the schools. why is 3% the right number? why is closing down the schools the right thing when they don't even meet that 3% number? why can't we find a better way than closing down? >> yeah, no, i don't relish these decisions. but the 3% number is -- i mean it's a bit of an arbitrary number. i mean new york has been doing really, really well in terms of keeping these numbers down. you look at south dakota, 56%

positivity. so 3% by comparison seems pretty good. but that was the benchmark they set by which they would then shut down schools. but, chris, i agree with you and i sense where discomfort comes from. and that is that the positivity rate among schools, among those new york schools, 0.17%. it's a lot lower, monot just ha but a lot lower. i got to say i was surprised. as you know, chris, you and i talked about it. i was skeptical about getting kids back in school. i thought it was going to end up being huge, super-spreader events. yet schools, many of them have been able to keep a low positivity rate. if you are hitting 3% in a big community like this and you say that's your benchmark, there are other areas of society that seem to be bigger drivers of spread. >> yes. >> restaurants, bars, hotels, cafes to name a few of them. >> yeah. >> 80% of spread is happening in those locations. so frankly i would probably, you know, be focusing on those types of things first before going to

schools. >> and all those things affect jobs, okay? except religious gatherings. that's a separate issue. the schools affect jobs and all these other family vital things. the inequalities among rich and poor are exacerbated. keeping kids at home for school sucks. we all suck at it. unless your kid -- probably like your kids, probably self-starters, got your genes and your wife's even smarter than you. but my kids with their bad gene pool, they're struggling at home. now i have a wife who has a business. she has to do this and other people that work can't go to work, and that's where you end up closing down? it's so hard for people to accept. this 3% is no magic number. it's much lower in the schools. and i feel like we need more sanjay guptas in these localities where people are asking questions about how do we do this better? what can we adopt? it's like we're just stuck with the same metrics that are getting us in and out of these holes. sanjay, i know you give it to us

straight and give us the best reckoning, and that's just one reason that i love you. have a good night, my brother. >> love you too, chris. talk to you soon. >> i got to be honest, i'm not objective on the school thing. i'm not. if they told me fact number one, fact, this is two. one plus two equals three. all right. i got you. that's not what the 3% is. and the rate is lower in schools. why aren't we like pushing the standards? how do we do it because there's such a cost to making the kids stay home -- economic, family, stress, health. there are inequalities. i just don't get it. now, you know who does get it? dr. anthony fauci. guess who's on the show tomorrow night? yup. guess who's going to be on the show tomorrow night longer than you've ever seen him on a show except a special before? fauci. he's here. we're going to take our time. we're going to go through what's happening with schools, why we are where we are, what the breakthroughs are, what we're seeing around the country, what the realities are for the holidays and beyond.

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the levels, great depression days. remember those pictures of the guys in the coats with the hats? the latest government figures say the vast majority of the time now, it's a family it done. no, not an inner city, blue-state problem. rural americans, suburban. they're all starving, at a disproportionate rate. those are statistics. they don't really work. faces work. stories work. trisha cunningham is president and ceo of the north texas food bank. neil wilson is a father, just like me, just like so many of you. and he is up against it, and doing the best he can. and there is not enough help. welcome to prime time. >> thanks. >> thanks, chris. >> first, trish, articulate, just generally, how bad is it now, compared to anything you

have ever seen before? >> well, number one, we've never had a pandemic like this before. and we have not seen hunger rates like this, ever. even going back to the great-depression times. >> i have friends who work in your good works business and they say it has taken them time to adapt, not just to the volume but, the faces. that, they keep seeing people like neil coming in, saying, hey, you here to volunteer? and they say, no, i need food. and they've never seen anything like it before. >> you are absolutely right. the face of hunger looks just like you and i do. it could be your neighbor down the street who lost their job. it could be a child in your student's classroom, that's sitting next to them. it could be your hairstylist or your favorite waiter. i think that's what's happened with the pandemic is there are so many, now, that need our help that have been able to make it before. and now, unfortunately, because of the economic stresses, they're not able to. >> neil, thank you, brother, for coming on the show.

i know you work hard. i know you're proud. i know you take care of your family. i know you serve this country. i know this is the first time you've been in this position. how quickly did things get to this point, for you, and why? >> it was real quick. just like, within a month, we realized we don't have food for thanksgiving. and i said -- you know, my wife said, well, they're having this food line that we could go to. so, we sat in there for, like, three and a half hours to get our food. so -- but, it's -- we're always the ones donating to this stuff. you know? we -- just not used to having to sit back and take it, you know? it's like -- it felt uncomfortable for us, a little bit, at first. but i said we got to do this so -- and then, there's a lot of people out there that need our help, too, and stuff. you know, so what we're going to do with this food is kind of help some of these other people out that we know that don't have anywhere to go for thanksgiving. so we're going to -- we're going

to, you know, give some to these friends of ours that don't have home to go to. sorry. >> when you talk to your family, neil, and you talk to yourself, why, at 57 years old, why is this happening to you? >> i don't know. i mean, it -- it's -- i was working. doing a good job. working good. just, the pandemic hit and it just started, you know, going downhill, from there. you know, the -- and it just -- you know, my wife ended up getting her stimulus check on her social security. but, i didn't get one. and i'm getting a disability check from the va so -- but i still didn't get one from the first time. so, i'm hoping this helps, the next one comes through because, you know, we could have used that extra. we ended up losing our home, entirely. now, we're just renting a house. so, we had to, you know, do that. give up our home that we were

paying for. so, it's just like, cause we couldn't afford it and keeping up. and i figure rent, a lot of times, will help. paying rent. that way, landlords will help pay, you know, for any repairs that need on the house. >> you were shaking your head, trish, because you hear stories like this, too often, these days. >> it's sad. you hear these stories and you heard that one. we had the gentleman that stayed in his car overnight for this distribution that we had on saturday, with his stepsons, just to be able to put food on the table. we've had families, fathers, come through that wanted to put the food in grocery bags because they felt like there was a stigma associated with -- with coming to get a little extra help. and we don't want that. we know people need a little extra help right now. we want to help that teacher that had to stop doing her night job with hospice patients because she didn't want to put her students at risk.

we want to help people stay in their homes a little longer. we want to be able to help people to help their child with that distant learning. that's what we are here for at the food bank is to fill those gaps. >> god bless you and the people who volunteer and work with you, for doing your work. trisha cunningham. neil watson -- wilson. mr. wilson, what do you want our elected leaders to know? >> i just want to know how many people are out there really struggling. i bet you, some of these people that were volunteering probably, also, needed a little bit of help, too. you know, i imagine there was some of them in there but they wanted to volunteer to help. and later, you know, maybe -- probably had family members in the line, too. i mean, it just -- there was just so many people out there. we weren't able to visit with them because of the covid situation. but at least, you know, they were not just handing out food. they were going around giving out hand sanitizer. masks. wearing masks.

i thought that was -- but once this is over with, i'm definitely going to be back into helping again, once i get back on my feet. >> well, it's amazing that your first instinct, neil, i'm sure you know, this is why you served the country. your first instinct, as soon as you can, is to be in a position to help others. i promise you this. i don't know what's going to happen but i swear to god, every day i do this job, i'm going to be telling people in power they need to help the people like you. god bless you both and i am thankful for both of you coming on to this show to know the truth. and we will fight for people like you every damn day. god bless. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> trisha, too. >> we'll be right back. no tomatoes.. [hard a] tonight... i'll be eating four cheese tortellini with extra tomatoes. [full emphasis on the soft a] so its come to this? [doorbell chimes]

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