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hello, everyone. i'm kate bolduan. thank you for joining me. it's no longer a whisper, it's now being shouted from the roof tops. president trump is trying to overturn the election even as results are recounted and reconfirmed. he doesn't care. today he is taking his fight a step that is so out of bounds it's hard to know where we go from here. hosting at the white house, republican lawmakers from michigan. the very same lawmakers that are in charge of taking that final step of appointing presidential electors. here's one of them arriving, right there, at reagan national airport just a short time ago. so stand by to find out what comes of that. but the democratic secretary of
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state of michigan told cnn this morning she has confidence in the system. >> the state legislature has said, the leaders have already confirmed publically they have no desire or intent to overturn the will of the people. >> this whole thing, this step really is too much for some republicans. not many, but a couple. like senator mitt romney, who released a scathing statement about trump's pressure campaign on michigan saying trump has resorted to overt pressure on people to overturn the election. it's difficult to imagine a worse, undemocratic action by a sitting president. after fighting and losing in courtrooms across the country, the president's new legal strategy seems to be burn it down and poison the wells. sending out rudy giuliani to make a public case for their legal long shots but it was just bizarre and not founded in
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reality. even blaming voter fraud chavez, who's been dead for seven years. ben sasse put it this way, wild press conference e erode public tres. so no obviously rudy and his buddies should not pressure electors to ignore their certification obligations under the statue. here's how another official put it. that press convention was the most dangerous one hour in american history. so what is the president-elect to do about this? jessica dean is covering the transition in wilmington, delaware. she's joining me again. what are you hearing from the biden transition about this? >> reporter: it's interesting, kate. a senior adviser for biden just held a call, talking about trump's legal efforts. bob bower, he said the harm to
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democracy in these efforts by trump is real but he said trump cannot be successful in what he's trying to do. this comes as we heard the strongest words yet from the president-elect himself on the transition process, on president trump's behavior. listen for yourself. >> i think you're witnessing an incredible irresponsibility. incredibly damaging message is being sent to the rest of the world about how democracy functions. he will go down in his tory as being one of the most irresponsible presidents in american history. >> reporter: some very strong words from the president-elect during a press conference yesterday afternoon. he also talked about all the options being on the table, including legal action to push this transition forward to get the general services administration to sign off on the formal transition process. but biden said he -- he made it clear he's hesitant to do that,
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he doesn't want to pursue legal action as his first choice. it remains on the table, not his first choice. instead, he believes that he can get republicans to unite, come to his side and to push this transition forward, to put some pressure on president trump and his allies. kate? >> and maybe one example of that, the president-elect is expected to announce some of his first cabinet picks next week. what are you learning about that? >> reporter: right. so again, this is another example of how the biden transition team is continuing to push forward despite the formal process not happening now. biden saying they have made a decision on a treasury secretary. we're expecting that announcement to come next week. we're also expecting the potential for more announcements, perhaps secretary of state coming next week as well. again, this time line being moved up just a little bit. they were saying maybe after thanksgiving. now we're thinking maybe it could come before because they see president trump's actions
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and they want to project to americans and also to republican allies of president trump and president trump himself that they are putting together a government, they intend to govern, they are moving forward, they will not be deterred by any actions that president trump continues to take. of note, later this afternoon we will see house speaker nancy pelosi and senate minority leader, chuck schumer, here in wilmington to meet with the president and vice president elect. cnn just learned there are plans to invite other republican leaders to the white house. discussions at the very least are under way to invite leaders from the battleground state of pennsylvania to the white house as well. joining me is the chairman of the federal election commission, and election attorney, trevor potter, and cnn political director david challion. i have a million things to ask
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you both. but david, first to you, forget any lawsuits what we're seeing from the president now in bringing republican state legislatures to the white house, is there any other way to see this than the president is transparentally trying to steal the election now? >> no, there's no other way to see it. i missed the chapter in history when i learned about how the united states conducts its free and fair elections, the chapter that said after it's over and you lost, as sitting president you can court legislatures to see if they'll go against the will of the people of their state. this is other level stuff right now. this is not about the outcome here. we understand, joe biden at noon on january 20th, is going to be the president of the united states. two months from today. the issue is the damage over the last couple weeks and for the next two months to go, until joe biden takes the oath of office and becomes president, that
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donald trump, the sitting president of the united states, is doing to undermine this country's democracy because he is trying to put his own personal interests, his financial interests, what he wants to build for his post presidential years in place and to him that is all so much more important than the message this sends around the world and to the very institutions the damage that he is doing here at home. >> trevor, what do you think about all this? what can be done about it? what can trump actually do here? >> well, i think this is a very dangerous course of conduct by the president. you know, in a democracy, the voters choose their leaders. and to have a president who is saying i don't like what the voters did and i'm going to try to find a way to get around it is just a terrible message. it won't work. so when we talk about trump's legal options here, they are to go to court and to prove, in a
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court of law, with evidence, that there was sufficient activity either fraudulent votes or miscounting that the election results are incorrect as they're currently called. that's not happening. the trump lawsuits have been thrown out of almost every single court in the country. what you saw yesterday was giuliani at a press conference saying things he could never get away with saying in court because he'd have to prove them in court and he has no proof of them. so this is a p.r. move by the president, not a legal move. so i agree, it doesn't affect the end result, which is joe biden has a majority in the electoral college, georgia announced in its recount, that isn't changing it's a clear majority. so he is sworn in, but the damage being done by suggesting that somehow the voters' will doesn't matter and if you don't
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like it there is some way around it, i think is incredibly dangerous for our country. some future election things may be a lot closer and then the idea that state legislatures who have no role in this at all at this stage should somehow dive in and try to change the election results would be really dangerous and this sets the stage for something like that. >> to underscore a point by trevor about rudy giuliani and the press conference yesterday saying things he would not say in court. one of the claims he was making at the press conference he had been scolded in court for making and with drew because he knew it doesn't stand up in court and he could be disbarred if he pursued what he was pursuing at the press conference yesterday. so even in that one press conference we saw giuliani say something for p.r. purpose that is he had already retreated from in a court of law. >> that's a -- exactly. you can't lie to a judge without
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consequences. you can, i'll say unfortunately, lie to the press without consequences, at least legal consequences it seems. trevor what is mike pence's role in this? is silence and standing by as trump kind of lights this thing on fire okay? >> well, you know, not in his vice presidency has pence ever disagreed with the president. i'm more concerned about republican leaders around the country and in the senate. you mentioned mitt romney, but the mcconnell position has been that we'll let the lawsuits play out. well, they are playing out and the recounts are playing out and they're not changing anything, and there is no prospect given the size of the biden win in the electoral college and in the various states that they could play out. you look at michigan, where there was a fight over certifying wayne county.
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the question was, were they a couple hundred votes off or not in the election books? in a state which biden won by 145,000 votes. so i think the question is, where are the republican leaders saying this is dangerous, you're playing with fire, to suggest that in michigan leaders should come to the white house and somehow find a way around the clear will of the people of michigan. i don't expect leaders will support that, but they really ought to be out there saying, this is contrary to how a democracy works. you can't do this, and it is damaging. and that's -- >> it is. >> -- what we need. >> also, it's heartening to hear you say it, trevor. to stand up for what should be stood up for. david one more thing, dana and gloria have been reporting trump
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told an ally he knows he loss but he's trying to sow doubt in the election to get back at democrats for delegitimizing his win in 2016. i'm thinking not only is that bananas but does that acknowledgement make this any better or worse? >> no, of course not. first of all, donald trump has been telling us for four years publically that he is consumed by the fact that he thinks the democrats never considered him a legitimate president, whether it was the russia investigation, impeachment, what have you. he has been completely consumed by this notion that he has not been seen as a legitimate president and the democrats were trying to undermine him. read his twitter feed, read the public statements that's four years. it's great reporting to get into what his mindset is, we know donald trump is not a stupid person he obviously knows he lost the election but that doesn't mean he accepts that reality. he is so convinced and he has a
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media echo chamber to support this and the aiding and abetting of silent republicans on capitol hill to help him move forward with this too that he can create an entirely fact free alternate universe and take some soft 72 million voters kate and bring them with him for whatever he wants to build for the future and maintain political power even if he's no longer in the office. >> the real and long standing damage you're laying out right now is terrifying to say the least. thank you both for calling out. great to see you david. trevor a pleasure as always. coming up, the u.s. reported more new coronavirus cases than any other day since it began. what worries dr. deborah birx most now. and georgia completes its audit of the election and finds no widespread fraud. what's next for the election results there then? that's coming up.
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more than 2,000 deaths from coronavirus were reported yesterday. that is now the highest since may. the pace of infection across the country has jumped so much that it is even surprising the experts who have been forecasting the pandemic impact from the beginning. more than 187,000 new cases were reported yesterday, the highest single number of new infections since the pandemic began. that has one model group upping their death projection considerably by about 30,000 deaths now projecting 471,000 americans will be killed by the virus by march 1st. the trend map gives you a snapshot of what's leading to that really tragic forecast. almost the entire country is
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seeing cases go up. and dr. deborah birx the coordinator for the white house coronavirus task force didn't have many encouraging words when she sat down with sanjay gupta. >> when you look at what's happening now, the rate of rise is dramatically different. and the number of states and the number of counties in the united states that have what we -- what we consider a red zone because of their characteristics, is now well over half of the country. so this is faster, it's broader, and what worries me, it could be longer. >> what does that mean? and what does that look like? doing me now is dr. jha, the dean of the university of brown. that assessment from dr. birx is dire. how bad do you see it?
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how bad do you think it's going to get? >> thank you for having me on. i think dr. birx is right. we are in right now the worst phase of the pandemic. we have 200,000 americans getting identified as being infected. i suspect the real number is 500,000 americans getting infected every day. it's awful. we knew this was coming. i did not personally think it was going to be this bad this early in the season and we had little to no federal leadership, engagement, no effort to ramp up testing, no effort to communicate to the american people what's going to happen the next month or two. these are going to be tough months ahead. >> for sure. the new surge has local officials making tough calls again. new york city announcing they're closing down schools, just this week. you put out a new opinion piece in "the washington post" today about just this. you say it's the wrong call. why is that? >> yeah, so we've learned a lot
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about schools over the last few months. over the summer i was very worried whether we could open schools safely. we have learned you can open schools safely. in fact, most places that have done so have not seen outbreaks of covid in schools and have not seen much of it -- that school outbreaks are -- what's happening in schools is leading to broader spread in the community. that's new data that should change the way we think about things. there are places like new york city where indoor dining is open, bars are open, and schools are closed. that makes no sense to me. if you're going to close things, schools should be the last to close, the first to open. i don't think we're getting our priorities right. >> you're right now talking about what is important, right. what the priorities are. and as you said, the lack of federal leadership on this. so in the midst of fighting this surge, very serious surge across the country, i was surprised to
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hear that the senate this week is focused not on the stuff we've just discussed but on hydro hydroxy chore quinn, the drug the president pushed so hard. you were there at the senate, testifying at this hear,iing -- i'm going to play a brief moment. >> we had multiple trials, including some in the outpatient setting. they haven't worked. >> but again, so that's disputed. in your testimony, you came up and i'm telling you, this is i consider disinformation, scare tactic. >> you're imparting disinformation in a scare tactic. what was this about in the senate yesterday? >> it was one of the oddest experiences i've ever had testifying in front of the senate or the house or the congress at all. this was -- there were three witnesses on the other side who were extolling the virtues of
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hydroxychloroquine, saying we're denying the american people of which was bizarre. when i brought up science and data, that was thought of as misinformation. it's an odd moment we are in, it's a perilous moment we are in. and all i know is it has to be evidence, public health, data that has to drive our decision making. and that hearing really was the antithesis of that, really. >> it was wild. it was wild, dr. jha. you are -- you were so respected for your even keeled fact-based science-driven advice that you give and you were shouting into a void when you were testifying at this hearing. i was kind of blown away be it.
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let's talk about science driven and maybe possible good news. let's hope it's all driven by science and not that senate hearing, sorry to say. pfizer announcing this morning it will be submitting today for authorization for emergency use by the fda for its vaccine. what does that mean for the end game? when can people start -- should this give people hope they can start seeing normal again? >> absolutely. one of the reasons we really have to hunker down for the next couple of months is that the light at the end of the tunnel is there, it's bright. it's going to get much better. the fiez pfizer knew is what i expecting. i expect in the next two to three weeks we'll see the fda authorize the pfizer vaccine. and in the same time the moderna vaccine. this pandemic will start getting better once we get into february, march and by april,
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may, things will be dramatically better. people have to hold on. it's really the next couple months that are going to be really hard. if we can get through it, 2021 is going to be a much, much better year. >> dr. jha, thank you so much. >> thank you, kate. >> good to see you. >> still ahead, the election audit in georgia confirms joe biden defeated president trump and also found no widespread fraud in the system. we are live in georgia next. is skincare from around the world better than olay? olay regenerist faced 131 premium products, from 12 countries, over 10 years. olay's hydration was unbeaten every time. face anything. find out more at olay.com and i'm still going for my best. even though i live with a higher risk of stroke due to afib not caused by a heart valve problem. so if there's a better treatment than warfarin, i'm on top of that. eliquis. eliquis is proven to reduce stroke risk better than warfarin. plus has significantly less major bleeding than warfarin.
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georgia's election audit is over, and the state is expected this afternoon to officially certify joe biden's victory. the result reaffirmed there was no widespread voter fraud. the totals now show president-elect joe biden beat president trump by a little more than 12,000 votes. amara walker is in georgia following this. georgia's secretary of state spoke out this morning, what did he say about this wild ride? >> reporter: we just spoke with him about a half an hour ago one on one. he said on a personal note it's still upsetting to him that his
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wife has been getting these death threats since the hand recount has been under way. but he said on a positive note three of his grown children have expressed they're proud of him the fact that he has defended the integrity of the election and handled the pressure. he also said he'll certify the final results of the election that upholds that joe biden has indeed won georgia sometime this afternoon. and he did hold a news conference this morning and reiterated, i am a proud trump supporter but i'm also an engineer by trade and the numbers speak for themselves. >> i live by the motto that numbers don't lie. as secretary of state, i believe that the numbers that we have presented today are correct. the numbers reflect the verdict of the people. not a decision by the secretary of state's office or of courts or of either campaigns.
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>> reporter: so once the secretary of state has certified the results this afternoon, governor brian kemp, who we know is a staun ch trump supporter has until saturday to certify the electors of the state. we reached out to his office to see if he does intend to sign off on the certification although by law he is required to do so. i should also mention that secretary of state, brad raffensperger, is telling me he does expect president trump to request a recount, he must do so by next tuesday. kate. >> it's over, and not over still. sounds like 2020 all wrapped up in one sentence. amara, thank you so much, i appreciate it. but joe biden, still president-elect, he still won georgia. coming up the largest vaccination distribution effort in u.s. history could be under way in weeks. how is that going to work?
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pfizer and its partner announced this morning they are
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submitting today for emergency authorization of their vaccine by the fda. earlier this week the company offered promising data from their phase three trial that the vaccine was 95% effective in presenting infection. this is the first of the vaccines to get to this critical step as this vaccine and others seek approval, the focus must quickly turn to how to get the shots to americans across the country. it is a massive logistical challenge, the likes of which the country has not seen in a generation. the government is looking to the private sector for help. listen to how one administration official put it. >> we knew if we brought fipfiz, moderna, ups, fed ex, walgreens, cvs together we'd come up with the solution. we want the vaccines at places people are comfort, our
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hospitals, doctors' offices, down at cvs. >> joining me is the executive vice president and chief medical officer at cvs. doctor, thank you for being here. what does the rollout plan look like from cvs? how are you preparing to distribute the vaccines? >> we're busy preparing to provide vaccine. the first stage of the vaccination program will involve health care workers and first responders, as well as people in nursing facilities. we're concentrating right now on the latter. how we get the people in skilled nursing facilities, nursing homes, assisted living, vaccinations. something we have a lot of experience with. we do thousands of these clinics every year for the flu vaccine. we're quite prepared to take the -- the new vaccines for covid when they're available and get them into people's arms in
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those skilled nursing facilities. >> you have the systems in place, which is key with getting things under way. you think that's where cvs focuses first when you get the first doses you'll be going to skilled nursing facilities? >> that's what we worked out with operation warp speed. they provided us specific information. we're now getting the exact skilled nursing facility that is we will do, walgreens will be doing some as well. we're preparing our logistics for that, a lot of people are working around the clock to be prepared when the vaccine is available. >> that's, of course, the key point. how soon after approval do you think cvs will have vaccines in your possession? >> well, once the approval takes place, i think the operation warp speeds means to begin shipping the vaccines immediately. i think we're only talking two or three days. everyone is looking forward to the advisory committee meetings taking place at the beginning of
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december and a final decision on the fda app for that, and once it's released almost immediately we'll have the clinics and get people needles in people's arms right away. i say mid december. >> mid december, that's promising news for so many people. so you have operation warp speed, right. and then mid december is still operation warp speed led by the trump administration, of course. but this vaccination effort is going to continue into the next administration. that's something that's become large focus in this transition period. have you as a company been in touch with the biden transition team? >> we're working primarily with operation warp speed. remember, operation warp speed is basically the career people at the cdc. people who worked for years in bio tech and pharmaceutical agencies and then the logistics branch of the u.s. military. we're working with professionals
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there. we have every reason to believe that no matter what the administration, these are the people you choose to lead the effort. so we're comfort t-- confident the people we're working with now are the people we'll be working with going forward. obviously the biden team has an advisory board we know those people well, public health is a small place. some of those people are former colleagues, friends, and former students, so we've been in contact with them. we'll plan to do our part in stage 1 with regard to the skilled nursing facilities as i said and then turn rapidly over to offering vaccines in our retail stores and offer them in all 10,000 of our retail stores. we plan to gear up quickly to provide substantial volumes of vaccinations to the people in stages 2 and 3 as we get into
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that in the latter part of the winter. >> when do you think that happens? when do you think kate bolduan can walk into a cvs, make an appointment for the first and second dose? >> a lot turns on what the fda does and how quickly they act with the information. but if -- if the stage one operates as it should we'll have you back in to do a second vaccination, the booster, 21 to 28 days after the initial vaccination, depending on which of the vaccinations come to us, moderna, as opposed to the pfizer vaccine. so we anticipate that's going to take a two to three month period of time but we'll begin to offer, as there is an availability of vaccinations in stores, i would hope by the end of february, beginning of march and we think we can move rapidly. . we have a capacity to do 20 to 25 million vaccinations per month in our fleet of stores
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alo alone. if you take the other major retailers doing the same thing you can see quickly we can build numbers through the spring in terms of number of people vaccina vaccinated. >> everyone has to hold on and be careful until then. doctor thank you for coming on, thank you for your work. the country will be leaning as it does on cvs more than ever in the effort ahead. good luck. >> thank you for having us. still ahead, long lines like this happening at covid testing sites across the country. ten months into the pandemic. why can't the system keep up? when panera's chef claes makes a pizza,
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there may be no better snapshot than the coronavirus surge in the country than the lines you see across the country. we talked about the lines we're seeing at food banks but also the lines at testing sites from coast-to-coast. somehow, all these months later, the demand for testing still outpaces supply and the capabilities of the testing labs. just look at these pictures from outside chicago. this is just this morning. long lines and long wait times for people trying to get a test. and that's starting to once again lead to days long waits for results. the state's governor, illinois' governor calling the midwest the biggest surge to date. the company running the illinois covid testing project, a project that runs ten testing sites and eight mobile testing sites across the state. thank you for being here. we saw the images out of the
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chicago area. how do you describe what you've been seeing at your testing sites? the lines you're seeing and unfortunately the wait that -- the wait times that people are having to see? >> thank you for having me. yes, so in all of the sites that we manage here in illinois, we have seen that increased demand for testing. and that's really all throughout the nation that we've seen. seen. we have wait times usually last an hour at some sights, up to three to four hours. yeah, it is unfortunate that the wait times are that long. i agree. >> and it's not any wrongdoing on your team's part, it is the demand. there aren't, the demand there is for testing in illinois, it has been hard hit. we have seen a surge of cases across the country. when did you start seeing the explosion again at your testing
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sites? >> first began back in october, beginning of october when president donald trump was tested positive for covid-19. we saw increase in our numbers the days right after that. then we saw another wave of increased demand in the beginning of november as well. >> and now it is who knows how long this will last, of course. how are you handling the demand. is every car that gets in line able to get tested? how is it working? >> that's the goal. the goal is that whoever is in line, we want to get them tested but there are many factors to realize how many people we can get tested, so from staffing to the labs that we work with, so these factors are effected by increased demand that we have been seeing and in part it does
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make people wait more in lines. it delays testing results as well. but we are trying to get everyone in the lines tested. >> and your teams are working overtime, as demand is only going to increase for at least the next few weeks if people would really start clamping down now, knowing that, i mean, what is your greatest concern? what are you afraid of seeing in the next weeks? >> with holidays coming, thanksgiving next week, one of the biggest concerns is the lack of following, you know, cdc guidelines, isolation, social distancing, wearing face masks or coverings. these are things that really, really help lower the numbers and decrease one's likelihood of getting it. we're concerned that during the holidays people won't be following the guidelines as much
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and in part increasing the cases of positivity of covid-19. >> then that means longer lines at your sites across the state. kevin, thank you for coming on and thank you for your work. appreciate it. z >> thank you. appreciate it. coming up next, the number of republicans speaking out against president trump's effort to overturn election results. the number is growing. we are live on capitol hill. our new house is amazing. great street, huge yard. there is a bit of an issue with our neighbors fencing. neighbor 1: allez! (sound from wind chimes)
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more republicans are speak up, criticizing president trump and his team for pressuring state and local officials to try and overturn election results. mitt romney and ben sasse were the first. romney saying it is difficult to imagine a worse, more undemocratic action by an american president. manu raju on capitol hill with more on this. who is speaking up now and what are they saying? >> reporter: senior republicans that served in the house and senate some time, raising concerns about the president's tactics.
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one of them out of michigan said it is time for the president to concede. he said all of the allegations of voter fraud in detroit simply are not there. others also echoing concerns, at least saying it is time for the transition process to begin. senator lamar alexander that chairs a key senate committee made clear at least they should allow for the vaccine, discussions over the vaccine distribution to begin, saying if there's any chance that joe biden will be the next president, looks like he has a very good chance. the trump administration should provide the biden team with all transition materials, resources and meetings necessary to ensure smooth transition so both sides are ready day one. that especially should be true, for example, on vaccine distribution. i also caught up this morning with kay grainger, a texas republican, top republican on the house appropriations committee, served in congress for quite some time. she told me she has, quote, great concerns about the president's tactics. says i think it is time to move
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on, time for him to really realize and be very clear about what's going on, and kate, one other republican, steve shabbat on the house judiciary committee said the legal strategy sort of sucks. >> to sum it up. good to see you. thanks for joining me. dana bash picks up our coverage right now. hello to viewers in the united states and around the world. i am dana bash in washington where we are at a very precarious moment. the president's morning tweets suggest we are moving towards a constitutional crisis. hoax and rigged are how the president continues to describe a fair and clear election outcome, but today it goes even further. he is now actively seeking to overturn results by any means, including summoning local officials to the white house. the president's conspiracy mongering is an object of his attention but it's not the only thing that perhaps he